[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Very interesting. It has got tied on frets! And it is not really that big - at least the string length is quite modest at 65cms. Many thanks for supplying the link. Youtube is deceptive especially as regards tone quality which often isn't very good. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 6:02 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Here is at least a little information on Romanillos' "baroque" guitars as used by Bream: http://www.kentguitarclassics.com/classical-guitars/jose-luis-romanillos/jose-luis-romanillos-of-semley-3 Enjoy. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:47 AM To: Chris Barker Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Yes. Re size - looking at clips of other people playing, his instrument does look to me rather large. My way of judging is to compare the player's head with the size of the bouts! It looks a heavily built instrument, perhaps with fan barring. Sounds as if it is strung with nylon with overwound strings for the bourdons and it wouldn't surprise me if it did have fixed frets. But it is difficult to tell from a Youtube clip. Monica - Original Message - From: "Chris Barker" To: "'Monica Hall'" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:18 PM Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Jose Romanillos made a five course baroque guitar, a four course Renaissance guitar, and a six course vihuela de mano for Julian Bream. He played all three instruments on one album which I think was called The Guitar in Spain. Looking at photographs of those instruments I believe that they might have had fixed frets. Chris -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:52 AM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Many thanks for the information. Most helpful. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Monica Hall" Cc: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose Romanillos. Best, Eugene ____________ From: Monica Hall [mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Please do - that would be helpful! Monica ----- Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" instruments. Best, Eugene -----Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces by Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments" but Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there must be more. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist. Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of: - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977); - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: 1978); and - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985). I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately on hand in the day-job office. Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the summit list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher, Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev. Luck, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] O
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Here is at least a little information on Romanillos' "baroque" guitars as used by Bream: http://www.kentguitarclassics.com/classical-guitars/jose-luis-romanillos/jose-luis-romanillos-of-semley-3 Enjoy. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:47 AM To: Chris Barker Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Yes. Re size - looking at clips of other people playing, his instrument does look to me rather large. My way of judging is to compare the player's head with the size of the bouts! It looks a heavily built instrument, perhaps with fan barring. Sounds as if it is strung with nylon with overwound strings for the bourdons and it wouldn't surprise me if it did have fixed frets. But it is difficult to tell from a Youtube clip. Monica - Original Message - From: "Chris Barker" To: "'Monica Hall'" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:18 PM Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > Jose Romanillos made a five course baroque guitar, a four course > Renaissance > guitar, and a six course vihuela de mano for Julian Bream. He played all > three instruments on one album which I think was called The Guitar in > Spain. > Looking at photographs of those instruments I believe that they might have > had fixed frets. > > Chris > > -Original Message- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf > Of Monica Hall > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:52 AM > To: Braig, Eugene > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > Many thanks for the information. Most helpful. > > Monica > > - Original Message - > From: "Braig, Eugene" > To: "Monica Hall" > Cc: "Vihuelalist" > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM > Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > > Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose > Romanillos. > > Best, > Eugene > > > From: Monica Hall [mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM > To: Braig, Eugene > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > Please do - that would be helpful! > Monica > > - Original Message - > From: "Braig, Eugene" > To: "Vihuelalist" > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > >> Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the >> exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he >> certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" >> instruments. >> >> Best, >> Eugene >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM >> To: Braig, Eugene >> Cc: Vihuelalist >> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces >> by >> Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments" but >> Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there must be >> more. >> >> Monica >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Braig, Eugene" >> To: "Vihuelalist" >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM >> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> >>>I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their >>>activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . >>>or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist. >>> >>> Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of: >>> - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977); >>> - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: >>> 1978); and >>> - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985). >>> >>> I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately >>> on hand in the day-job office. >>> >>> Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might >>> want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Not me, not in this case. I was comparing Bream's 5-course guitar by Romanillos (as discussed by Monica et al.--as used to perform de Murcia's 18th-c. compositions) to surviving instruments of that period. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:30 AM To: Braig, Eugene; Monica Hall Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Indeed Eugene. But aren't we looking at early vihuelas here rather than later 5 course guitars. Hence my reference to the Milan engraving which shows a 'large' sized instrument (tho' to be fair, some other iconography - all pretty crude stuff - does show smaller instruments which _may_ be vihuelas too). Martyn __ From: "Braig, Eugene" To: Martyn Hodgson ; Monica Hall Cc: Vihuelalist Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 12:59 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Ah, yes. I believe that video is excerpted from Bream's little BBC series Guitarra! The size of the instrument also looks in line to me with that of other 18th-c. Spanish guitars. I've personally inspected this fine piece by Jose Massague, e.g. [1]http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/503390?r pp &pg=1&rndkey 140513&ao=on&ft=*&what=Musical+instruments|Guitars&pos Best, Eugene From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Martyn Hodgson [[4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:30 AM To: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument: in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela played by Orpheus in Milan's collection. Perhaps you mean it's bigger than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because of a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!... regards, Martyn __ From: Monica Hall <[5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Braig, Eugene" <[6]brai...@osu.edu> Cc: Vihuelalist <[7]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Wow! If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia you will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from Passacalles y obras! It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th and 5th courses.with a very imposing sound. Interesting indeed. It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de guitarra series. Amazing what you can find on the internet. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1][8]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Monica Hall" <[2][9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3][10]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose > Romanillos. > > Best, > Eugene > > ________________ > From: Monica Hall [[4][11]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM > To: Braig, Eugene > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > Please do - that would be helpful! > Monica > > - Original Message - > From: "Braig, Eugene" <[5][12]brai...@osu.edu> > To: "Vihuelalist" <[6][13]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > >> Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the >> exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he >> certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" >> instruments. >> >> Best, >> Eugene >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7][14]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] >> Sen
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Dear Lex, By and large I agree! It was simply that you seemed pretty certain that de Murcia expected bourdons on both fourth and fifth courses for his solo music that I thought you might have some evidence. regards Martyn __ From: Lex Eisenhardt To: 'Vihuelalist' Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 13:39 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 It would be difficult to argue about your personal preferences, Martyn. And 'more common solo repertoire tunings of the period'? How about Guerau or Ribayaz, and Castillion? Better to admit that we cannot be sure about those things. Lex -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 14:27 Aan: Lex Eisenhardt; 'Vihuelalist' Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 I agree with you about sizes of 5 course guitars but not about your preferred tuning for de Murcia's solo music: in my view it works best with the 'French' ('Corbetta') tuning with a bourdon only on the fourth course. By best I mean that tuning in which the various parts are clearest with minimal breaks in tessitura. Of course, no historic guitar tuning is perfect for everything and whatever tuning is employed there are going to be some such breaks but I think this is merely the idiosyncratic charm of the instrument. I think it a mistake to presume he would use the same tuning he employed for basso continuo for his solo music. In my view it's more likely he employed one of the more common solo repertoire tunings of the period: ie either the 'French' tuning or possibly that with just high octaves on the fourth and fifth courses Martyn __ From: Lex Eisenhardt <[3]eisenha...@planet.nl> To: 'Vihuelalist' <[4]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 12:46 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 The corpus of original guitars (not vihuelas) is often 'very large'. And low octaves A and d seem to be an educated choice for Murcia, taking into account the composers' work (1714) on basso continuo. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [1][5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2][6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 13:30 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument: in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela played by Orpheus in Milan's collection. Perhaps you mean it's bigger than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because of a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!... regards, Martyn __ From: Monica Hall <[3][7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Braig, Eugene" <[4][8]brai...@osu.edu> Cc: Vihuelalist <[5][9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Wow! If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia you will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from Passacalles y obras! It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th and 5th courses.with a very imposing sound. Interesting indeed. It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de guitarra series. Amazing what you can find on the internet. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1][6][10]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Monica Hall" <[2][7][11]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3][8][12]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose > Romanillos. > > Best, > Eugene > > ________ > From: Monica Hall [[4][9][13]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Yes. Re size - looking at clips of other people playing, his instrument does look to me rather large. My way of judging is to compare the player's head with the size of the bouts! It looks a heavily built instrument, perhaps with fan barring. Sounds as if it is strung with nylon with overwound strings for the bourdons and it wouldn't surprise me if it did have fixed frets. But it is difficult to tell from a Youtube clip. Monica - Original Message - From: "Chris Barker" To: "'Monica Hall'" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:18 PM Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Jose Romanillos made a five course baroque guitar, a four course Renaissance guitar, and a six course vihuela de mano for Julian Bream. He played all three instruments on one album which I think was called The Guitar in Spain. Looking at photographs of those instruments I believe that they might have had fixed frets. Chris -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:52 AM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Many thanks for the information. Most helpful. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Monica Hall" Cc: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose Romanillos. Best, Eugene From: Monica Hall [mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Please do - that would be helpful! Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" instruments. Best, Eugene -Original Message----- From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces by Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments" but Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there must be more. Monica ----- Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist. Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of: - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977); - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: 1978); and - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985). I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately on hand in the day-job office. Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the summit list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher, Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev. Luck, Eugene -Original Message----- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM To: Azalais Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 I have Lorimer's facsimile. What I am really trying to find out is whether there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before that date. The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974. Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the Guitar-Summit list. I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards the classical guitar and I thought there might be someon
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Re stringing = I suggest we leave it that and don't get involved in arguments about it yet again. We all have are own preferences. Monica - Original Message - From: "Martyn Hodgson" To: "Lex Eisenhardt" ; "'Vihuelalist'" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:26 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 I agree with you about sizes of 5 course guitars but not about your preferred tuning for de Murcia's solo music: in my view it works best with the 'French' ('Corbetta') tuning with a bourdon only on the fourth course. By best I mean that tuning in which the various parts are clearest with minimal breaks in tessitura. Of course, no historic guitar tuning is perfect for everything and whatever tuning is employed there are going to be some such breaks but I think this is merely the idiosyncratic charm of the instrument. I think it a mistake to presume he would use the same tuning he employed for basso continuo for his solo music. In my view it's more likely he employed one of the more common solo repertoire tunings of the period: ie either the 'French' tuning or possibly that with just high octaves on the fourth and fifth courses Martyn __ From: Lex Eisenhardt To: 'Vihuelalist' Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 12:46 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 The corpus of original guitars (not vihuelas) is often 'very large'. And low octaves A and d seem to be an educated choice for Murcia, taking into account the composers' work (1714) on basso continuo. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 13:30 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument: in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela played by Orpheus in Milan's collection. Perhaps you mean it's bigger than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because of a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!... regards, Martyn __ From: Monica Hall <[3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Braig, Eugene" <[4]brai...@osu.edu> Cc: Vihuelalist <[5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Wow! If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia you will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from Passacalles y obras! It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th and 5th courses.with a very imposing sound. Interesting indeed. It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de guitarra series. Amazing what you can find on the internet. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1][6]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Monica Hall" <[2][7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3][8]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose > Romanillos. > > Best, > Eugene > > > From: Monica Hall [[4][9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM > To: Braig, Eugene > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > Please do - that would be helpful! > Monica > > - Original Message - > From: "Braig, Eugene" <[5][10]brai...@osu.edu> > To: "Vihuelalist" <[6][11]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > >> Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the >> exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he >> certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" >> instruments. >> >> Best, >> Eugene >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Monica Hall [mailto
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
It would be difficult to argue about your personal preferences, Martyn. And 'more common solo repertoire tunings of the period'? How about Guerau or Ribayaz, and Castillion? Better to admit that we cannot be sure about those things. Lex -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 14:27 Aan: Lex Eisenhardt; 'Vihuelalist' Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 I agree with you about sizes of 5 course guitars but not about your preferred tuning for de Murcia's solo music: in my view it works best with the 'French' ('Corbetta') tuning with a bourdon only on the fourth course. By best I mean that tuning in which the various parts are clearest with minimal breaks in tessitura. Of course, no historic guitar tuning is perfect for everything and whatever tuning is employed there are going to be some such breaks but I think this is merely the idiosyncratic charm of the instrument. I think it a mistake to presume he would use the same tuning he employed for basso continuo for his solo music. In my view it's more likely he employed one of the more common solo repertoire tunings of the period: ie either the 'French' tuning or possibly that with just high octaves on the fourth and fifth courses Martyn __ From: Lex Eisenhardt To: 'Vihuelalist' Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 12:46 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 The corpus of original guitars (not vihuelas) is often 'very large'. And low octaves A and d seem to be an educated choice for Murcia, taking into account the composers' work (1714) on basso continuo. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 13:30 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument: in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela played by Orpheus in Milan's collection. Perhaps you mean it's bigger than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because of a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!... regards, Martyn __ From: Monica Hall <[3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Braig, Eugene" <[4]brai...@osu.edu> Cc: Vihuelalist <[5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Wow! If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia you will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from Passacalles y obras! It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th and 5th courses.with a very imposing sound. Interesting indeed. It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de guitarra series. Amazing what you can find on the internet. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1][6]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Monica Hall" <[2][7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3][8]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose > Romanillos. > > Best, > Eugene > > ____________ > From: Monica Hall [[4][9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM > To: Braig, Eugene > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > Please do - that would be helpful! > Monica > > - Original Message - > From: "Braig, Eugene" <[5][10]brai...@osu.edu> > To: "Vihuelalist" <[6][11]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > >> Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the >> exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he >> certainly favored a modern func
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Indeed Eugene. But aren't we looking at early vihuelas here rather than later 5 course guitars. Hence my reference to the Milan engraving which shows a 'large' sized instrument (tho' to be fair, some other iconography - all pretty crude stuff - does show smaller instruments which _may_ be vihuelas too). Martyn __ From: "Braig, Eugene" To: Martyn Hodgson ; Monica Hall Cc: Vihuelalist Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 12:59 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Ah, yes. I believe that video is excerpted from Bream's little BBC series Guitarra! The size of the instrument also looks in line to me with that of other 18th-c. Spanish guitars. I've personally inspected this fine piece by Jose Massague, e.g. [1]http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/503390?r pp &pg=1&rndkey 140513&ao=on&ft=*&what=Musical+instruments|Guitars&pos Best, Eugene From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Martyn Hodgson [[4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:30 AM To: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument: in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela played by Orpheus in Milan's collection. Perhaps you mean it's bigger than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because of a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!... regards, Martyn __ From: Monica Hall <[5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Braig, Eugene" <[6]brai...@osu.edu> Cc: Vihuelalist <[7]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Wow! If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia you will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from Passacalles y obras! It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th and 5th courses.with a very imposing sound. Interesting indeed. It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de guitarra series. Amazing what you can find on the internet. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1][8]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Monica Hall" <[2][9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3][10]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose > Romanillos. > > Best, > Eugene > > ____________ > From: Monica Hall [[4][11]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM > To: Braig, Eugene > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > Please do - that would be helpful! > Monica > > - Original Message - > From: "Braig, Eugene" <[5][12]brai...@osu.edu> > To: "Vihuelalist" <[6][13]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > >> Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the >> exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he >> certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" >> instruments. >> >> Best, >> Eugene >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7][14]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM >> To: Braig, Eugene >> Cc: Vihuelalist >> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces >> by >> Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments" but >> Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there must be
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
I agree with you about sizes of 5 course guitars but not about your preferred tuning for de Murcia's solo music: in my view it works best with the 'French' ('Corbetta') tuning with a bourdon only on the fourth course. By best I mean that tuning in which the various parts are clearest with minimal breaks in tessitura. Of course, no historic guitar tuning is perfect for everything and whatever tuning is employed there are going to be some such breaks but I think this is merely the idiosyncratic charm of the instrument. I think it a mistake to presume he would use the same tuning he employed for basso continuo for his solo music. In my view it's more likely he employed one of the more common solo repertoire tunings of the period: ie either the 'French' tuning or possibly that with just high octaves on the fourth and fifth courses Martyn __ From: Lex Eisenhardt To: 'Vihuelalist' Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 12:46 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 The corpus of original guitars (not vihuelas) is often 'very large'. And low octaves A and d seem to be an educated choice for Murcia, taking into account the composers' work (1714) on basso continuo. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 13:30 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument: in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela played by Orpheus in Milan's collection. Perhaps you mean it's bigger than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because of a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!... regards, Martyn __ From: Monica Hall <[3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Braig, Eugene" <[4]brai...@osu.edu> Cc: Vihuelalist <[5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Wow! If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia you will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from Passacalles y obras! It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th and 5th courses.with a very imposing sound. Interesting indeed. It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de guitarra series. Amazing what you can find on the internet. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1][6]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Monica Hall" <[2][7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3][8]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose > Romanillos. > > Best, > Eugene > > ________________ > From: Monica Hall [[4][9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM > To: Braig, Eugene > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > Please do - that would be helpful! > Monica > > - Original Message - > From: "Braig, Eugene" <[5][10]brai...@osu.edu> > To: "Vihuelalist" <[6][11]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > >> Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the >> exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he >> certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" >> instruments. >> >> Best, >> Eugene >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7][12]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM >> To: Braig, Eugene >> Cc: Vihuelalist >> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> That's helpful. I have
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Yes it is - I remember watching it on the tele. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Martyn Hodgson" ; "Monica Hall" Cc: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:59 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Ah, yes. I believe that video is excerpted from Bream's little BBC series Guitarra! The size of the instrument also looks in line to me with that of other 18th-c. Spanish guitars. I've personally inspected this fine piece by Jose Massague, e.g. http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/503390?rpp=20&pg=1&rndkey=20140513&ao=on&ft=*&what=Musical+instruments|Guitars&pos=19 Best, Eugene From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Martyn Hodgson [hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:30 AM To: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument: in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela played by Orpheus in Milan's collection. Perhaps you mean it's bigger than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because of a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!... regards, Martyn __ From: Monica Hall To: "Braig, Eugene" Cc: Vihuelalist Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Wow! If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia you will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from Passacalles y obras! It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th and 5th courses.with a very imposing sound. Interesting indeed. It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de guitarra series. Amazing what you can find on the internet. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Monica Hall" <[2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose > Romanillos. > > Best, > Eugene > > ____________________ > From: Monica Hall [[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM > To: Braig, Eugene > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > Please do - that would be helpful! > Monica > > - Original Message - > From: "Braig, Eugene" <[5]brai...@osu.edu> > To: "Vihuelalist" <[6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > >> Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the >> exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he >> certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" >> instruments. >> >> Best, >> Eugene >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM >> To: Braig, Eugene >> Cc: Vihuelalist >> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces >> by >> Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments" but >> Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there must be >> more. >> >> Monica >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Braig, Eugene" <[8]brai...@osu.edu> >> To: "Vihuelalist" <[9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM >> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> >>>I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their >>>activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . >>>or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist. >>> >>> Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music,
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Ah, yes. I believe that video is excerpted from Bream's little BBC series Guitarra! The size of the instrument also looks in line to me with that of other 18th-c. Spanish guitars. I've personally inspected this fine piece by Jose Massague, e.g. http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/503390?rpp=20&pg=1&rndkey=20140513&ao=on&ft=*&what=Musical+instruments|Guitars&pos=19 Best, Eugene From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Martyn Hodgson [hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:30 AM To: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument: in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela played by Orpheus in Milan's collection. Perhaps you mean it's bigger than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because of a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!... regards, Martyn __ From: Monica Hall To: "Braig, Eugene" Cc: Vihuelalist Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Wow! If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia you will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from Passacalles y obras! It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th and 5th courses.with a very imposing sound. Interesting indeed. It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de guitarra series. Amazing what you can find on the internet. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Monica Hall" <[2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose > Romanillos. > > Best, > Eugene > > ____________ > From: Monica Hall [[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM > To: Braig, Eugene > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > Please do - that would be helpful! > Monica > > - Original Message - > From: "Braig, Eugene" <[5]brai...@osu.edu> > To: "Vihuelalist" <[6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > >> Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the >> exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he >> certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" >> instruments. >> >> Best, >> Eugene >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM >> To: Braig, Eugene >> Cc: Vihuelalist >> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces >> by >> Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments" but >> Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there must be >> more. >> >> Monica >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Braig, Eugene" <[8]brai...@osu.edu> >> To: "Vihuelalist" <[9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM >> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> >>>I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their >>>activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . >>>or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist. >>> >>> Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of: >>> - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977); >>> - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: >>> 1978); and >
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
The corpus of original guitars (not vihuelas) is often 'very large'. And low octaves A and d seem to be an educated choice for Murcia, taking into account the composers' work (1714) on basso continuo. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 13:30 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument: in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela played by Orpheus in Milan's collection. Perhaps you mean it's bigger than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because of a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!... regards, Martyn __ From: Monica Hall To: "Braig, Eugene" Cc: Vihuelalist Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Wow! If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia you will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from Passacalles y obras! It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th and 5th courses.with a very imposing sound. Interesting indeed. It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de guitarra series. Amazing what you can find on the internet. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Monica Hall" <[2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose > Romanillos. > > Best, > Eugene > > > From: Monica Hall [[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM > To: Braig, Eugene > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > Please do - that would be helpful! > Monica > > ----- Original Message - > From: "Braig, Eugene" <[5]brai...@osu.edu> > To: "Vihuelalist" <[6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > >> Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the >> exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he >> certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" >> instruments. >> >> Best, >> Eugene >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM >> To: Braig, Eugene >> Cc: Vihuelalist >> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces >> by >> Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments" but >> Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there must be >> more. >> >> Monica >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Braig, Eugene" <[8]brai...@osu.edu> >> To: "Vihuelalist" <[9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM >> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> >>>I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their >>>activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . >>>or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist. >>> >>> Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of: >>> - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977); >>> - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: >>> 1978); and >>> - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985). >>> >>> I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately >>> on hand in the day-job office. >>> >>> Some moder
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Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument: in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela played by Orpheus in Milan's collection. Perhaps you mean it's bigger than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because of a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!... regards, Martyn __ From: Monica Hall To: "Braig, Eugene" Cc: Vihuelalist Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Wow! If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia you will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from Passacalles y obras! It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th and 5th courses.with a very imposing sound. Interesting indeed. It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de guitarra series. Amazing what you can find on the internet. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Monica Hall" <[2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose > Romanillos. > > Best, > Eugene > > > From: Monica Hall [[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM > To: Braig, Eugene > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > Please do - that would be helpful! > Monica > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Braig, Eugene" <[5]brai...@osu.edu> > To: "Vihuelalist" <[6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > >> Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the >> exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he >> certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" >> instruments. >> >> Best, >> Eugene >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM >> To: Braig, Eugene >> Cc: Vihuelalist >> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces >> by >> Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments" but >> Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there must be >> more. >> >> Monica >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Braig, Eugene" <[8]brai...@osu.edu> >> To: "Vihuelalist" <[9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM >> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> >>>I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their >>>activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . >>>or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist. >>> >>> Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of: >>> - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977); >>> - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: >>> 1978); and >>> - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985). >>> >>> I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately >>> on hand in the day-job office. >>> >>> Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might >>> want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the >>> summit >>> list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher, >>> Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev. >>> >>> Luck, >>> Eugene >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>>
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Wow! If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia you will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from Passacalles y obras! It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th and 5th courses.with a very imposing sound. Interesting indeed. It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de guitarra series. Amazing what you can find on the internet. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Monica Hall" Cc: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose Romanillos. Best, Eugene From: Monica Hall [mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Please do - that would be helpful! Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" instruments. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces by Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments" but Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there must be more. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist. Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of: - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977); - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: 1978); and - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985). I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately on hand in the day-job office. Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the summit list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher, Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev. Luck, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM To: Azalais Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 I have Lorimer's facsimile. What I am really trying to find out is whether there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before that date. The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974. Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the Guitar-Summit list. I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards the classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer this query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque guitar. But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any response. Perhaps it is now defunct. Regards to all Monica - Original Message - From: Azalais To: Monica Hall Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Hello Monica, Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads me to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book and its bibliography. If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it. Thank you for the research! I have always been a fan of De Murcia. Azalais To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Many thanks for the information. Most helpful. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Monica Hall" Cc: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose Romanillos. Best, Eugene From: Monica Hall [mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Please do - that would be helpful! Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" instruments. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces by Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments" but Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there must be more. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist. Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of: - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977); - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: 1978); and - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985). I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately on hand in the day-job office. Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the summit list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher, Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev. Luck, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM To: Azalais Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 I have Lorimer's facsimile. What I am really trying to find out is whether there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before that date. The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974. Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the Guitar-Summit list. I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards the classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer this query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque guitar. But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any response. Perhaps it is now defunct. Regards to all Monica - Original Message - From: Azalais To: Monica Hall Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Hello Monica, Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads me to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book and its bibliography. If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it. Thank you for the research! I have always been a fan of De Murcia. Azalais To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose Romanillos. Best, Eugene From: Monica Hall [mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Please do - that would be helpful! Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the > exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he > certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" > instruments. > > Best, > Eugene > > > -Original Message- > From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM > To: Braig, Eugene > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces > by > Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments" but > Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there must be > more. > > Monica > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Braig, Eugene" > To: "Vihuelalist" > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > >>I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their >>activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . >>or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist. >> >> Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of: >> - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977); >> - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: >> 1978); and >> - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985). >> >> I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately >> on hand in the day-job office. >> >> Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might >> want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the >> summit >> list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher, >> Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev. >> >> Luck, >> Eugene >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On >> Behalf Of Monica Hall >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM >> To: Azalais >> Cc: Vihuelalist >> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> I have Lorimer's facsimile. What I am really trying to find out is >> whether >> there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also >> whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before >> that date. The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's >> facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became >> flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did >> dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers >> to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974. >> >> Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the >> Guitar-Summit >> list. I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards >> the >> classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer >> this query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque >> guitar. >> But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any >> response. Perhaps it is now defunct. >> >> Regards to all >> >> Monica >> >> - Original Message - From: Azalais >> To: Monica Hall >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM >> Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> >> Hello Monica, >> >> >> Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads >> me to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book >> and its bibliography. >> >> >> If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it. >> >> >> Thank you for the research! I have always been a fan of De Murcia. >> >> >> Azalais >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> > > > >
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Please do - that would be helpful! Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" instruments. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces by Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments" but Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there must be more. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist. Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of: - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977); - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: 1978); and - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985). I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately on hand in the day-job office. Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the summit list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher, Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev. Luck, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM To: Azalais Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 I have Lorimer's facsimile. What I am really trying to find out is whether there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before that date. The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974. Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the Guitar-Summit list. I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards the classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer this query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque guitar. But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any response. Perhaps it is now defunct. Regards to all Monica - Original Message - From: Azalais To: Monica Hall Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Hello Monica, Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads me to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book and its bibliography. If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it. Thank you for the research! I have always been a fan of De Murcia. Azalais To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" instruments. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces by Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments" but Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there must be more. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their >activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . >or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist. > > Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of: > - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977); > - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: > 1978); and > - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985). > > I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately > on hand in the day-job office. > > Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might > want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the summit > list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher, > Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev. > > Luck, > Eugene > > > > > -Original Message- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of Monica Hall > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM > To: Azalais > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > I have Lorimer's facsimile. What I am really trying to find out is > whether > there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also > whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before > that date. The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's > facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became > flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did > dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers > to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974. > > Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the Guitar-Summit > list. I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards > the > classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer > this query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque > guitar. > But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any > response. Perhaps it is now defunct. > > Regards to all > > Monica > > - Original Message - From: Azalais > To: Monica Hall > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM > Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > > Hello Monica, > > > Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads > me to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book > and its bibliography. > > > If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it. > > > Thank you for the research! I have always been a fan of De Murcia. > > > Azalais > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Many thanks Arthur. I will do that. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]AJN To: [2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: [3]nels...@ecu.edu ; [4]arthurjn...@verizon.net Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Dear Monica and Jocelyn, I glanced through the World Catalogue and saw a few (ten or so) before 1987, including Segovia. Most were "Prelude and Allegro," and one was preludes in all keys from Obras. So I didn't find much that you would consider useful. When you get to the Santiago de Murcia page, click in the left column, "LP" and "Casset" to filter your search. I enjoyed meeting Lorimer a few years ago when he played a recital for the BostonCMSoc. He brought along some copies of his Saldivar facsimile, so he still has it for sale. The Craig Russel facsimile was a disappointment. It was so tiny. [5]https://www.worldcat.org/ Arthur. On 05/12/14, Monica Hall wrote: I have Lorimer's facsimile. What I am really trying to find out is whether there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before that date. The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became flavour of the month big time. Several people including myself did dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974. Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the Guitar-Summit list. I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards the classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer this query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque guitar. But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any response. Perhaps it is now defunct. Regards to all Monica - Original Message - From: Azalais To: Monica Hall Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Hello Monica, Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads me to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book and its bibliography. If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it. Thank you for the research! I have always been a fan of De Murcia. Azalais To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:nels...@ecu.edu 4. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net 5. https://www.worldcat.org/ 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces by Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments" but Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there must be more. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist. Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of: - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977); - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: 1978); and - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985). I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately on hand in the day-job office. Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the summit list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher, Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev. Luck, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM To: Azalais Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 I have Lorimer's facsimile. What I am really trying to find out is whether there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before that date. The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974. Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the Guitar-Summit list. I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards the classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer this query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque guitar. But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any response. Perhaps it is now defunct. Regards to all Monica - Original Message - From: Azalais To: Monica Hall Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Hello Monica, Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads me to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book and its bibliography. If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it. Thank you for the research! I have always been a fan of De Murcia. Azalais To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist. Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of: - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977); - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: 1978); and - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985). I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately on hand in the day-job office. Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the summit list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher, Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev. Luck, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM To: Azalais Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 I have Lorimer's facsimile. What I am really trying to find out is whether there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before that date. The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974. Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the Guitar-Summit list. I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards the classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer this query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque guitar. But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any response. Perhaps it is now defunct. Regards to all Monica - Original Message - From: Azalais To: Monica Hall Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Hello Monica, Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads me to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book and its bibliography. If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it. Thank you for the research! I have always been a fan of De Murcia. Azalais To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
I have Lorimer's facsimile. What I am really trying to find out is whether there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before that date. The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974. Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the Guitar-Summit list. I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards the classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer this query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque guitar. But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any response. Perhaps it is now defunct. Regards to all Monica - Original Message - From: Azalais To: Monica Hall Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Hello Monica, Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads me to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book and its bibliography. If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it. Thank you for the research! I have always been a fan of De Murcia. Azalais To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html