On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:28:37 -0500, Gene Kwiecinski
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Pretty much so. Early dumbterminals (think ADM-3a and similar critters)
didn't have arrow keys, but they *did* go so far as to have little arrow
marks on the keycaps themselves, underneath the letters, on -- you
Hi all,
In my first reply to this topic, I had in mind the 'small' keyboards
without arrows keys (I first started to code BASIC on an Apple 2 and the
T arrows weren't on the keyboard). This is why I said although the use
of h/j/k/l might have originated for other reasons back in the old 'vi'
Hi Laurent :)
* vim [EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:
About the wrist movement that's just as bad when you hit ESC as when
you use the arrow keys: just do the movement in slow motion for
yourself:
Yes, I've done it: the distance (in my keyboard at least) from touch
typing position to ESC and
On 2/21/07, DervishD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Laurent :)
Unfortunately, I still have problems using 'h' :(
That's my biggest problem at the moment as well, as a blind typer i
can't get used to it...oh, i think i just should stop whining and
exercise more ;)
--
Best regards, Pavel
On 2/20/07, DervishD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Laurent :)
* vim [EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:
The idea behind using h/j/k/l is to avoid moving your hand/wrist too
often while going back and forth between your keyboard and the arrow set
(although the use of h/j/k/l might have originated for
Hi Pavel :)
* Pavel Shevaev [EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:
On 2/21/07, DervishD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unfortunately, I still have problems using 'h' :(
That's my biggest problem at the moment as well, as a blind typer i
can't get used to it...oh, i think i just should stop whining and
Pavel Shevaev wrote:
On 2/21/07, DervishD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Laurent :)
Unfortunately, I still have problems using 'h' :(
That's my biggest problem at the moment as well, as a blind typer i
can't get used to it...oh, i think i just should stop whining and
exercise more ;)
Hi folks!
AFAIK usage of arrow keys in vim should be avoided at all costs since
h/j/k/l allows one to be more efficient in command mode. But how about
insert mode? Should one avoid using arrow keys in insert mode as well
and switch to command mode and then back to insert mode instead?
--
Best
I agree that using h/j/k/l is most efficient and its hard to follow
them in insert mode. But, if you are aware of the command CTRL-O in
insert mode that will get you to a temporary-normal mode, you can
execute one normal mode command, after which you will be taken back to
insert mode. Once you
On 2/20/07, Pavel Shevaev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi folks!
AFAIK usage of arrow keys in vim should be avoided at all costs
at all costs sounds too fanatic to me. When keyboard has
arrows, I really prefer arrows now, even though I've been using vi
since 1989. Can you clarify which costs you
Can you clarify which costs you are willing to
pay/sacrifice to avoid use of arrows ?
Actually I'm just trying to follow the best vim practices and it's
really hard for me to get used to h/j/k/l combination after working
with some other text editors. That's why I'm asking how vim gurus work
the
On 2/20/07, Pavel Shevaev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you clarify which costs you are willing to
pay/sacrifice to avoid use of arrows ?
Actually I'm just trying to follow the best vim practices and it's
really hard for me to get used to h/j/k/l combination after working
with some other text
Hi,
Insert mode is to insert something in your text. If you want to move
again, just hit ESC and you'll be back in motion mode.
The idea behind using h/j/k/l is to avoid moving your hand/wrist too
often while going back and forth between your keyboard and the arrow set
(although the use of
Pavel Shevaev wrote:
Hi folks!
AFAIK usage of arrow keys in vim should be avoided at all costs since
h/j/k/l allows one to be more efficient in command mode. But how about
insert mode? Should one avoid using arrow keys in insert mode as well
and switch to command mode and then back to insert
If you ask me, I advise you to feel free to use arrows in any mode.
Arrows not working in insert mode was the worst annoyance
of the original vi, as far as I remember.
*Really*? I feel just the opposite, that allowing arrowing when still
in insert was more annoying than not, because you *could*
Hi Laurent :)
* vim [EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:
The idea behind using h/j/k/l is to avoid moving your hand/wrist too
often while going back and forth between your keyboard and the arrow set
(although the use of h/j/k/l might have originated for other reasons
back in the old 'vi' days).
DervishD wrote:
Hi Laurent :)
* vim [EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:
The idea behind using h/j/k/l is to avoid moving your hand/wrist too
often while going back and forth between your keyboard and the arrow set
(although the use of h/j/k/l might have originated for other reasons
back in the old
I suspect that the main reason behind the hjkl (which is very
unnatural for me, the arrows have a much better design with the
inverted
T at least IMHO) was that the first keyboards used to develop/use vi
probably hadn't arrow keys, or they were very far at the right of the
keyboard.
Pretty much
Apparently the original message was bounced by the listbot.
Best regards,
Tony.
Original Message
Subject:Re: Insert mode and arrow keys philosophy
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:58:45 -0800
From: Raimon Grau [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: A.J.Mechelynck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC
Hi Gene :)
* Gene Kwiecinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:
I suspect that the main reason behind the hjkl (which is very
unnatural for me, the arrows have a much better design with the
inverted
T at least IMHO) was that the first keyboards used to develop/use vi
probably hadn't arrow keys,
Hi Tony :)
* A.J.Mechelynck [EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:
to hit the ESC and change modes fast, but I hadn't and now hitting ESC
is very unnatural to me, even though I use it in my shell to clean the
command line!.
If the Esc key is too far, you may try using Ctrl-[ instead -- Vim
sees it as
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