Re: It's not hardware....

On Monday, May 6, 2002, at 05:23 , Gregg Eshelman wrote: > The x86 CPUs seem to have added more features with > each generation than did the 68k CPUs, like going > from an 8bit memory bus to 16bit then 32bit. They > added relatively large internal caches and FPUs. > To add features to Windows _and

Re: It's not hardware....

On Monday, May 6, 2002, at 05:07 , Teri Pittman wrote: >> What are the minimums for running XP, and is an MMX 166 a Pentium I? >> -- > Avoiding XP is what got me interested in Macs *grin*! That's EXACTLY my story too. I had been looking for something different, because there are many aspects

Re: It's not hardware....

> To be extra pedantic, the P60/66 should be the P1 ITYM the P1.0045974985794723499574069402984538 series. ;-) > and the P75 through the P233MMX should be the P1.5 > series. ;) -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Lom

Re: It's not hardware....

>This is a fascinating debate but can we stick to Mac OS *at least* >and maybe even 68k Macs please, eversonicely. I'm trying, boss, I'm trying *grin*! > >As for comments about masochists and running OS X on a 7300 I refuse >to air my views here as it's off-topic. Suffice to say it was >partiall

Re: Help with Imprimis jumpers, etc

At 20:54 -0400 on 06/05/02, rlf9 wrote: >>Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 16:00:53 -0400 >>From: the pickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: Help with Imprimis jumpers, etc >> >>At 15:55 -0400 on 06/05/02, rlf9 wrote: >> >>>So, a little progress...but not enough. I would hate to give up now. Any >>>views

Re: Nearly a gross of IIci's

>Subject: Re: Nearly a gross of IIci's Re: It's not hardware >From: "R.A. Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >on 5/6/02 5:02 PM, Gregg Eshelman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Didn't you even look inside them for goodies? :) >No

Re: Help with Imprimis jumpers, etc

>Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 16:00:53 -0400 >From: the pickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Help with Imprimis jumpers, etc > >At 15:55 -0400 on 06/05/02, rlf9 wrote: > >>So, a little progress...but not enough. I would hate to give up now. Any >>views regarding whether the LC3's PSU can handle this

Re: It's not hardware....

> > What are the minimums for running XP, and is an MMX 166 a Pentium I? >> -- >Avoiding XP is what got me interested in Macs *grin*! Here, here. This is a fascinating debate but can we stick to Mac OS *at least* and maybe even 68k Macs please, eversonicely. As for comments about masochis

Re: wind Re: Nearly a gross of IIci's Re: It's not hardware....

And such a lovely sight to behold. Yuck! There everywhere now and produce virtually nothing with which to power my little Cube. Junk science indeed. What we need are a few good nukes !!! Joe > --- "R.A. Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> on 5/6/02 6:35 PM, Gregg Eshelman at >> [EMAIL PROTEC

wind Re: Nearly a gross of IIci's Re: It's not hardware....

--- "R.A. Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/6/02 6:35 PM, Gregg Eshelman at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > even works at night if the > > wind is blowing. > In a past life I was a securities broker, and the > firm I was with raised a > LOT of money for wind generated electricity. T

Re: Nearly a gross of IIci's Re: It's not hardware....

on 5/6/02 6:35 PM, Gregg Eshelman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > even works at night if the > wind is blowing. In a past life I was a securities broker, and the firm I was with raised a LOT of money for wind generated electricity. The big windfarms out in California. Like out around Palm

Re: Nearly a gross of IIci's Re: It's not hardware....

> > . .Will anyone ever want a 7100/66 board again? > Ever? Well, when (if) things ever get settled down in places like Afghanistan, I'd bet the schools there would love to have just about any computer. Of course they need some electricity too, so info from sites like http://www.otherpower.com

Re: It's not hardware....

--- the pickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 13:47 -0700 on 06/05/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote: > > >Will System 6 run on the Mac 128K and 512K? > > Not IIRC, and certainly not *well*... > > >System 7.5.x dropped some off it's list. H. I dunno. I'm a bit weak on the earlier System stuff. AF

Re: Nearly a gross of IIci's Re: It's not hardware....

on 5/6/02 5:32 PM, Teri Pittman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Let's see, I have a Classic, a IIci and next a Quadra. I figure I'll get a > PPC and an iMac and I'll be set. My path was: a gift of a Quadra 700, one 6300cd the fifty more, one 7100, then a hundred more, (still have a 6300cd t.v. i

Re: NuBus Ethernet card to a DSL Router

At 17:50 -0400 on 06/05/02, Samuel Davies wrote: >Clean 7.5 system folder with the exception of the Asante NuBus driver. > >Here is my problem: > >I cannot seem to connect it to my Netgear R114 DSL router successfully. >When connected via RJ45 ethernet cable, the indicator lights (10BT) on >the r

Re: Nearly a gross of IIci's Re: It's not hardware....

> . .Will anyone ever want a 7100/66 board again? Ever? I don't know, I haven't worked my way up to that era yet *grin*. I can tell you, having paid money for a couple of these ancient machines that there are a few folks buying them. Probably just not enough to put a dent in your collection.

Re: NuBus Ethernet card to a DSL Router

My Reply follows quote. On 06/05/2002 14:51 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Samuel Davies) >Hoping you all can help. > >I am having with my network card. > >Here is my set up: > >Macintosh IIci with Apple Cache card >128 MB RAM >Radius 24XP Graphics Card >Asante MacCon NuBus

Re: It's not hardware....

At 13:47 -0700 on 06/05/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote: >Will System 6 run on the Mac 128K and 512K? Not IIRC, and certainly not *well*... >System 7.5.x dropped some off it's list. But not any that weren't already on the list for System 7, which is only the ones that can't run System 6 or higher...

Re: Nearly a gross of IIci's Re: It's not hardware....

on 5/6/02 5:02 PM, Gregg Eshelman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Didn't you even look inside them for goodies? :) Nope, nor did I look inside the 100 7100/66s. I have goodies amighty now that nobody wants. I've tried rescuing whole boxes in mass, and rescuing bulk parts by ransacking the boxes.

Nearly a gross of IIci's Re: It's not hardware....

--- "R.A. Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/6/02 4:18 PM, Scott Holder at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > IIci or something > I passed up 100 IIci's at $0.40 each. No place to > put em. Didn't you even look inside them for goodies? :) = http://www.junkscience.com "All the Jun

Re: It's not hardware....

--- "R.A. Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Scott. I just want to look at XP as i have > no experience with > Windows and have the166 box just sitting there. I > had hoped to be able to > load it and run it without any other apps by > bumping the mem OK, this is definately OT

Re: It's not hardware....

--- "R.A. Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/6/02 3:47 PM, Gregg Eshelman at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > really need a decently fast Pentium. > What are the minimums for running XP, and is an > MMX 166 a Pentium I? http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/evaluation/sysreqs.asp T

NuBus Ethernet card to a DSL Router

Hoping you all can help. I am having with my network card. Here is my set up: Macintosh IIci with Apple Cache card 128 MB RAM Radius 24XP Graphics Card Asante MacCon NuBus ethernet card Clean 7.5 system folder with the exception of the Asante NuBus driver. Here is my problem: I cannot seem to

Re: It's not hardware....

> > Just get a nice IIci or something > See, that's exactly what I did! Avoidance of XP leads to IIci, which leads to this list and lots of questions. Thanks for your answers. I'm having a lot of fun with this ancient hardware and software. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by

Re: It's not hardware....

--- James S Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not really true. The first versions of Windows would > run on an 8088, but > 3.0 and 3.1 required at least a 80286. And, there > was a split at version > 2.1, with Windows 386 not running on anything less > than a 80386. The > Windows 386 code evol

Re: It's not hardware....

on 5/6/02 4:18 PM, Scott Holder at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > IIci or something I passed up 100 IIci's at $0.40 each. No place to put em. -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www

Re: It's not hardware....

--- Teri Pittman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What prompted all this, is that one of my favorite > Palm software companies > came out with a desktop version that runs on OS X. > Plans are to finish the > Windows desktop next, then support OS 9 in the Mac > world (maybe). It seems > to be hurtin

Re: It's not hardware....

At 04:15 PM 5/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: >on 5/6/02 3:58 PM, Scott Holder at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Yes, a 166MMX is a P1. > > > > Scott Holder >Thanks Scott. I just want to look at XP as i have no experience with >Windows and have the166 box just sitting there. I had hoped to be ab

Re: It's not hardware....

on 5/6/02 3:58 PM, Scott Holder at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Yes, a 166MMX is a P1. > > Scott Holder Thanks Scott. I just want to look at XP as i have no experience with Windows and have the166 box just sitting there. I had hoped to be able to load it and run it without any other app

Re: It's not hardware....

> What are the minimums for running XP, and is an MMX 166 a Pentium I? > -- Avoiding XP is what got me interested in Macs *grin*! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digit

Re: It's not hardware....

At 03:54 PM 5/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: >on 5/6/02 3:47 PM, Gregg Eshelman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > really need a decently fast Pentium. >What are the minimums for running XP, and is an MMX 166 a Pentium I? XP is one of those oddities that has vastly different minimum and recommended.

Re: It's not hardware....

on 5/6/02 3:47 PM, Gregg Eshelman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > really need a decently fast Pentium. What are the minimums for running XP, and is an MMX 166 a Pentium I? -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by and... Sma

Re: It's not hardware....

--- Teri Pittman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a quick question and don't want to drag the > list too far off topic. > > It seems that Apple has had at least three instances > where they've > developed a new operating system that simply won't > work on their older > hardware. 7.1 seems to

Re: Help with Imprimis jumpers, etc

At 15:55 -0400 on 06/05/02, rlf9 wrote: >So, a little progress...but not enough. I would hate to give up now. Any >views regarding whether the LC3's PSU can handle this drive would be very My guess is it can't. At least, not and power the LC III too. Got a spare LC-class Mac around? the pickl

Re: Help with Imprimis jumpers, etc

>From: Mark Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Help with Imprimis full-height drive jumper settings > >>There's an illustrated page for it: >> >> >> >>According to this, the scsi address on the drive I have is >>set at zero, with neithe

Re: It's not hardware....

At 09:45 -070005/06/2002, Teri Pittman wrote; > I didn't expect such a radical >difference between 7.0 and 7.1 (although I was warned!) I got my 7100 Christmas of '94. It came with 7.5 and that's what I 'learned' on. Three years later I got this 'cute' Plus. I couldn't make it work until I plug

Re: It's not hardware....

>In any meaningful analysis, Apple has > been much more supportive of their older hardware than any other > software or hardware company. Go try to find information on 18 year old > PCs on the IBM or Compaq web sites. Where are their freely downloadable > versions of classic OS software? Dell and

Re: It's not hardware....

At 09:19 -0700 on 06/05/02, James S Jones wrote: >They've gotten 8.1 running on 68030s, 8.5 running on 68040s and OS X Uh, 8.5 on 040s without PPC cards? If so, I'm *very* interested to know how... the pickle FAQ Software Archive

Re: It's not hardware....

Not really true. The first versions of Windows would run on an 8088, but 3.0 and 3.1 required at least a 80286. And, there was a split at version 2.1, with Windows 386 not running on anything less than a 80386. The Windows 386 code evolved into Windows 95/98/Me. Windows NT through version 3.51

Re: It's not hardware....

At 08:42 -0700 on 06/05/02, Teri Pittman wrote: >> What won't 7.1 run on that 7.0.1 would? > >I ran into that when looking at the specs on Lowendmac. It said that it was >the last OS for the 68020 and under. I'm not saying I'm right--just trying That's clearly wrong, since 7.5.5 works fine on

Re: It's not hardware....

> > What won't 7.1 run on that 7.0.1 would? I ran into that when looking at the specs on Lowendmac. It said that it was the last OS for the 68020 and under. I'm not saying I'm right--just trying to make some sense out of the Mac OS numbering scheme. > > 8.5 was the first PPC-only system, and i

Re: It's not hardware....

At 05:45 -0700 on 06/05/02, Teri Pittman wrote: >It seems that Apple has had at least three instances where they've >developed a new operating system that simply won't work on their older >hardware. 7.1 seems to be the first, followed by PPC only (8.2?), followed What won't 7.1 run on that 7.0.

Re: It's not hardware....

-- >From: Teri Pittman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Vintage Macs) >Subject: It's not hardware >Date: Mon, May 6, 2002, 5:45 AM > > I have a quick question and don't want to drag the list too far off topic. > > It seems that Apple has had at least three instances whe

It's not hardware....

I have a quick question and don't want to drag the list too far off topic. It seems that Apple has had at least three instances where they've developed a new operating system that simply won't work on their older hardware. 7.1 seems to be the first, followed by PPC only (8.2?), followed by OS X.