Re: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues
If you need an almost new carb I have one for sale with air cleaner $90 it's yours (hers). The carb was on the car for about 1 month. Comes with braided hose. :) Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2012, at 1:19 PM, bill may vwb...@san.rr.com wrote: 009 does not play well with a 34 pict-3 carb. You need a 034 distributor that is single vacuum and mechanical commonly called a SVDA for single vacuum dual advance. -Original Message- From: vintagvw@googlegroups.com [mailto:vintagvw@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kirin Jacobsen Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:27 AM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues Hey guys, I have a friend who a few months ago purchased a very clean 70,000 mile 73 super beetle from an original owner a few months ago. The car had just been serviced bya local shop to pass our local emissions testing(Aircare or as I like to call it airscare!). Soon after she purchased it it started suffering some running issues. It has a replacement Empi 34 pict 3 I believe and what appears to be a 009 Distributor(What I remember from my last 1600dp. Mind you I haven't played with one since about 2006...) Anyways the issues that were going on it was stalling when it was cold. It would fire up fine and she would take off and as soon as she would return to idle it would stall. Which sounds like a total carb icing issue. To address that it got a new intake manifold and a new muffler. Which didn't fix it. Also it started developing a backfire through the carb on shut down. And hard to start when warm. also a intermittant misfire mid range in the revs. The disty cap is nearly new. Rotor looks okay.. Certainly not new a bit grungy but not totally burned .. Its had plugs, wires etc. When I was looking at the aircare sheet . The hydrocarbons were high, and I'm certain its running rich. My gut feeling on this one is that the carb is way out of adjustment and that the timing is way out to lunch. I checked it for exhaust leaks and none were apparent... Any thoughts? Its been a long time since I played with this stuff And well my next venture is with a stroker so thats bound to be entertaining.. Cheers, Kirin -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en.
Re: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues
I would very much like to see the article with the 34PICT-3 setup. I've fought them before, and they have worked pretty well, but I've never seen anything definitive on how they should be set up! I've not used google groups much. Do they have a 'files' section where you could post it? Thanks, glenh :) On 12/21/2012 19:26, Courtney Hook wrote: Amazing! I’ve got the article right now! I must be more organized than I thought! Anybody want the article on properly adjusting a 34pict-3?? Courtney I'm thankful to all those who said no. Because of them I did it myself. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en.
Re: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues
I have a 1200 single port that was doing the same thing. Try spraying carburetor cleaner on the choke and linkage, then readjust the air mixture screw in until the rpms max out, then back it off half a turn. Did the trick and he's running like a champ! Good luck and Merry Christmas! Bob Thompson '63 vert '70 bay window '73 beetle '79 adventure-wagon --- On Fri, 12/21/12, Kirin Jacobsen kirinjacob...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kirin Jacobsen kirinjacob...@gmail.com Subject: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, December 21, 2012, 11:27 AM Hey guys, I have a friend who a few months ago purchased a very clean 70,000 mile 73 super beetle from an original owner a few months ago. The car had just been serviced bya local shop to pass our local emissions testing(Aircare or as I like to call it airscare!). Soon after she purchased it it started suffering some running issues. It has a replacement Empi 34 pict 3 I believe and what appears to be a 009 Distributor(What I remember from my last 1600dp. Mind you I haven't played with one since about 2006...) Anyways the issues that were going on it was stalling when it was cold. It would fire up fine and she would take off and as soon as she would return to idle it would stall. Which sounds like a total carb icing issue. To address that it got a new intake manifold and a new muffler. Which didn't fix it. Also it started developing a backfire through the carb on shut down. And hard to start when warm. also a intermittant misfire mid range in the revs. The disty cap is nearly new. Rotor looks okay.. Certainly not new a bit grungy but not totally burned .. Its had plugs, wires etc. When I was looking at the aircare sheet . The hydrocarbons were high, and I'm certain its running rich. My gut feeling on this one is that the carb is way out of adjustment and that the timing is way out to lunch. I checked it for exhaust leaks and none were apparent... Any thoughts? Its been a long time since I played with this stuff And well my next venture is with a stroker so thats bound to be entertaining.. Cheers, Kirin -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en.
[vintagvw] 1600DP running issues
Hey guys, I have a friend who a few months ago purchased a very clean 70,000 mile 73 super beetle from an original owner a few months ago. The car had just been serviced bya local shop to pass our local emissions testing(Aircare or as I like to call it airscare!). Soon after she purchased it it started suffering some running issues. It has a replacement Empi 34 pict 3 I believe and what appears to be a 009 Distributor(What I remember from my last 1600dp. Mind you I haven't played with one since about 2006...) Anyways the issues that were going on it was stalling when it was cold. It would fire up fine and she would take off and as soon as she would return to idle it would stall. Which sounds like a total carb icing issue. To address that it got a new intake manifold and a new muffler. Which didn't fix it. Also it started developing a backfire through the carb on shut down. And hard to start when warm. also a intermittant misfire mid range in the revs. The disty cap is nearly new. Rotor looks okay.. Certainly not new a bit grungy but not totally burned .. Its had plugs, wires etc. When I was looking at the aircare sheet . The hydrocarbons were high, and I'm certain its running rich. My gut feeling on this one is that the carb is way out of adjustment and that the timing is way out to lunch. I checked it for exhaust leaks and none were apparent... Any thoughts? Its been a long time since I played with this stuff And well my next venture is with a stroker so thats bound to be entertaining.. Cheers, Kirin -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en.
Re: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues
Check the idle solenoid on the carb it should click when the key is turned to the run position id not that is your starting and idle problem Also if u can get an original dist with vacuum advance the engine will run great through all rpm ranges. 009 in my opinion are bad news especially when running a stock carb On Dec 21, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Kirin Jacobsen kirinjacob...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I have a friend who a few months ago purchased a very clean 70,000 mile 73 super beetle from an original owner a few months ago. The car had just been serviced bya local shop to pass our local emissions testing(Aircare or as I like to call it airscare!). Soon after she purchased it it started suffering some running issues. It has a replacement Empi 34 pict 3 I believe and what appears to be a 009 Distributor(What I remember from my last 1600dp. Mind you I haven't played with one since about 2006...) Anyways the issues that were going on it was stalling when it was cold. It would fire up fine and she would take off and as soon as she would return to idle it would stall. Which sounds like a total carb icing issue. To address that it got a new intake manifold and a new muffler. Which didn't fix it. Also it started developing a backfire through the carb on shut down. And hard to start when warm. also a intermittant misfire mid range in the revs. The disty cap is nearly new. Rotor looks okay.. Certainly not new a bit grungy but not totally burned .. Its had plugs, wires etc. When I was looking at the aircare sheet . The hydrocarbons were high, and I'm certain its running rich. My gut feeling on this one is that the carb is way out of adjustment and that the timing is way out to lunch. I checked it for exhaust leaks and none were apparent... Any thoughts? Its been a long time since I played with this stuff And well my next venture is with a stroker so thats bound to be entertaining.. Cheers, Kirin -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en.
RE: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues
009 does not play well with a 34 pict-3 carb. You need a 034 distributor that is single vacuum and mechanical commonly called a SVDA for single vacuum dual advance. -Original Message- From: vintagvw@googlegroups.com [mailto:vintagvw@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kirin Jacobsen Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:27 AM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues Hey guys, I have a friend who a few months ago purchased a very clean 70,000 mile 73 super beetle from an original owner a few months ago. The car had just been serviced bya local shop to pass our local emissions testing(Aircare or as I like to call it airscare!). Soon after she purchased it it started suffering some running issues. It has a replacement Empi 34 pict 3 I believe and what appears to be a 009 Distributor(What I remember from my last 1600dp. Mind you I haven't played with one since about 2006...) Anyways the issues that were going on it was stalling when it was cold. It would fire up fine and she would take off and as soon as she would return to idle it would stall. Which sounds like a total carb icing issue. To address that it got a new intake manifold and a new muffler. Which didn't fix it. Also it started developing a backfire through the carb on shut down. And hard to start when warm. also a intermittant misfire mid range in the revs. The disty cap is nearly new. Rotor looks okay.. Certainly not new a bit grungy but not totally burned .. Its had plugs, wires etc. When I was looking at the aircare sheet . The hydrocarbons were high, and I'm certain its running rich. My gut feeling on this one is that the carb is way out of adjustment and that the timing is way out to lunch. I checked it for exhaust leaks and none were apparent... Any thoughts? Its been a long time since I played with this stuff And well my next venture is with a stroker so thats bound to be entertaining.. Cheers, Kirin -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en.
Re: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues
That is the classic 009 dizzy/34pict stall and bog off idle syndrome. Get a vacuum advance dizzy, and all the troubles will be gone. Do a search for this and you'll see it's a real problem. Go to aircooled.net and there is a good article on it. I have the proper setup specs to tune the 34pict if you need them. They are a bitch to set up properly, but after that they are good. Courtney I'm thankful to all those who said no. Because of them I did it myself. -Original Message- From: Kirin Jacobsen Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:27 AM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues Hey guys, I have a friend who a few months ago purchased a very clean 70,000 mile 73 super beetle from an original owner a few months ago. The car had just been serviced bya local shop to pass our local emissions testing(Aircare or as I like to call it airscare!). Soon after she purchased it it started suffering some running issues. It has a replacement Empi 34 pict 3 I believe and what appears to be a 009 Distributor(What I remember from my last 1600dp. Mind you I haven't played with one since about 2006...) Anyways the issues that were going on it was stalling when it was cold. It would fire up fine and she would take off and as soon as she would return to idle it would stall. Which sounds like a total carb icing issue. To address that it got a new intake manifold and a new muffler. Which didn't fix it. Also it started developing a backfire through the carb on shut down. And hard to start when warm. also a intermittant misfire mid range in the revs. The disty cap is nearly new. Rotor looks okay.. Certainly not new a bit grungy but not totally burned .. Its had plugs, wires etc. When I was looking at the aircare sheet . The hydrocarbons were high, and I'm certain its running rich. My gut feeling on this one is that the carb is way out of adjustment and that the timing is way out to lunch. I checked it for exhaust leaks and none were apparent... Any thoughts? Its been a long time since I played with this stuff And well my next venture is with a stroker so thats bound to be entertaining.. Cheers, Kirin -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en.
RE: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues
Kirin, Absolutely agree with Bill, 009's are crap for stockish engines...mostly for lots of others as well. It doesn't matter if the carb is stock or modified...better performance and better gas mileage with an svda in 99% of the stuff I have ever worked with(40 + years)...as long as you have the proper vacuum port. Have her spend the money, dump the 009 and be happy. Even the newish chinese svda's are better than you might expect. Cheers, dave On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, bill may wrote: 009 does not play well with a 34 pict-3 carb. You need a 034 distributor that is single vacuum and mechanical commonly called a SVDA for single vacuum dual advance. -Original Message- From: vintagvw@googlegroups.com [mailto:vintagvw@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kirin Jacobsen Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:27 AM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues Hey guys, I have a friend who a few months ago purchased a very clean 70,000 mile 73 super beetle from an original owner a few months ago. The car had just been serviced bya local shop to pass our local emissions testing(Aircare or as I like to call it airscare!). Soon after she purchased it it started suffering some running issues. It has a replacement Empi 34 pict 3 I believe and what appears to be a 009 Distributor(What I remember from my last 1600dp. Mind you I haven't played with one since about 2006...) Anyways the issues that were going on it was stalling when it was cold. It would fire up fine and she would take off and as soon as she would return to idle it would stall. Which sounds like a total carb icing issue. To address that it got a new intake manifold and a new muffler. Which didn't fix it. Also it started developing a backfire through the carb on shut down. And hard to start when warm. also a intermittant misfire mid range in the revs. The disty cap is nearly new. Rotor looks okay.. Certainly not new a bit grungy but not totally burned .. Its had plugs, wires etc. When I was looking at the aircare sheet . The hydrocarbons were high, and I'm certain its running rich. My gut feeling on this one is that the carb is way out of adjustment and that the timing is way out to lunch. I checked it for exhaust leaks and none were apparent... Any thoughts? Its been a long time since I played with this stuff And well my next venture is with a stroker so thats bound to be entertaining.. Cheers, Kirin -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en.
Re: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues
You guys seem quick to fault the 009 dizzy for all of these bad behaviors. It IS the cause of driveability and acceleration issues when teamed up with a 34 PICT carb. But there's no way it can be causing all of the issues Kirin's mentioned. Yes, they don't play well, but it appears that this one isn't playing at all. It can't all be the 009/ carb mismatch. It sounds like the carb is also possibly having some major problems. I'd check for worn throttle shaft, inop or misadjusted choke, clogged internal passages, malfunctioning/ misadjusted accelerator pump, incorrect float level, intake vacuum leaks, ignition system problems like bad sparkplug wires, loaded spark-plugs, wrong gaps, intermittent coil malfunctions and plenty of other potential malfunctions. A properly-running engine with a good 34 PICT carb and good 009 dizzy will still start, idle and run well. It just has acceleration issues and hesitations. Check it all over for all the usual stuff, and get it running right, before blaming all of this on the wrong dizzy. Mike B. On 12/21/2012 6:29 PM, Dave C. Bolen wrote: Kirin, Absolutely agree with Bill, 009's are crap for stockish engines...mostly for lots of others as well. It doesn't matter if the carb is stock or modified...better performance and better gas mileage with an svda in 99% of the stuff I have ever worked with(40 + years)...as long as you have the proper vacuum port. Have her spend the money, dump the 009 and be happy. Even the newish chinese svda's are better than you might expect. Cheers, dave On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, bill may wrote: 009 does not play well with a 34 pict-3 carb. You need a 034 distributor that is single vacuum and mechanical commonly called a SVDA for single vacuum dual advance. -Original Message- From: vintagvw@googlegroups.com [mailto:vintagvw@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kirin Jacobsen Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:27 AM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues Hey guys, I have a friend who a few months ago purchased a very clean 70,000 mile 73 super beetle from an original owner a few months ago. The car had just been serviced bya local shop to pass our local emissions testing(Aircare or as I like to call it airscare!). Soon after she purchased it it started suffering some running issues. It has a replacement Empi 34 pict 3 I believe and what appears to be a 009 Distributor(What I remember from my last 1600dp. Mind you I haven't played with one since about 2006...) Anyways the issues that were going on it was stalling when it was cold. It would fire up fine and she would take off and as soon as she would return to idle it would stall. Which sounds like a total carb icing issue. To address that it got a new intake manifold and a new muffler. Which didn't fix it. Also it started developing a backfire through the carb on shut down. And hard to start when warm. also a intermittant misfire mid range in the revs. The disty cap is nearly new. Rotor looks okay.. Certainly not new a bit grungy but not totally burned .. Its had plugs, wires etc. When I was looking at the aircare sheet . The hydrocarbons were high, and I'm certain its running rich. My gut feeling on this one is that the carb is way out of adjustment and that the timing is way out to lunch. I checked it for exhaust leaks and none were apparent... Any thoughts? Its been a long time since I played with this stuff And well my next venture is with a stroker so thats bound to be entertaining.. Cheers, Kirin -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en.
Re: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues
Mike, Agreedbut any competent VW guy(Kirin probably qualifies) is going to recheck all of those things any way. As an example, I checked mechanical advance curves of the 009 against the mechanical curve part of some late model svda's and chose to install a crippled(no vacuum advance) svda of a certain vintage in my 2110 rather than a 009. Looks dumb sitting in my engine bay(too lazy to remove the vacuum part), but it runs *very* well and smooth at *real* driving rpm's I, for one am looking for a smooth advance curve beyond what I remember the 009 does. I don't drive either at idle for full throttle all the timeand got really sick of the advance either on or off(yes, might be carb porting..ida's) at a certain rpm which seemed to be about cruising speed at 40mph for me. Maybe the 009 I was using was sick, but it was certainly extremely annoying. http://www.google.com/imgres?q=009+advance+curvehl=ensa=Xtbo=dbiw=1707bih=876tbm=ischtbnid=HdTMHb2hoIjN4M:imgrefurl=http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php%3Fpic_id%3D843030docid=8F02yyYHkAtxmMitg=1imgurl=http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/843030.jpgw=1176h=759ei=q_nUUOC9L8ii2wWY34GQBwzoom=1iact=hcvpx=4vpy=125dur=533hovh=180hovw=280tx=175ty=116sig=113848758541072979766page=1tbnh=122tbnw=190start=0ndsp=46ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:90 Folks, think about how fast the rpm's get run up in any gear, except for real stop and go driving...and where the next rpm matches for any gear shift except firstwith stock tires etc. Cheers, dave On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, Mike B wrote: You guys seem quick to fault the 009 dizzy for all of these bad behaviors. It IS the cause of driveability and acceleration issues when teamed up with a 34 PICT carb. But there's no way it can be causing all of the issues Kirin's mentioned. Yes, they don't play well, but it appears that this one isn't playing at all. It can't all be the 009/ carb mismatch. It sounds like the carb is also possibly having some major problems. I'd check for worn throttle shaft, inop or misadjusted choke, clogged internal passages, malfunctioning/ misadjusted accelerator pump, incorrect float level, intake vacuum leaks, ignition system problems like bad sparkplug wires, loaded spark-plugs, wrong gaps, intermittent coil malfunctions and plenty of other potential malfunctions. A properly-running engine with a good 34 PICT carb and good 009 dizzy will still start, idle and run well. It just has acceleration issues and hesitations. Check it all over for all the usual stuff, and get it running right, before blaming all of this on the wrong dizzy. Mike B. On 12/21/2012 6:29 PM, Dave C. Bolen wrote: Kirin, Absolutely agree with Bill, 009's are crap for stockish engines...mostly for lots of others as well. It doesn't matter if the carb is stock or modified...better performance and better gas mileage with an svda in 99% of the stuff I have ever worked with(40 + years)...as long as you have the proper vacuum port. Have her spend the money, dump the 009 and be happy. Even the newish chinese svda's are better than you might expect. Cheers, dave On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, bill may wrote: 009 does not play well with a 34 pict-3 carb. You need a 034 distributor that is single vacuum and mechanical commonly called a SVDA for single vacuum dual advance. -Original Message- From: vintagvw@googlegroups.com [mailto:vintagvw@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kirin Jacobsen Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:27 AM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues Hey guys, I have a friend who a few months ago purchased a very clean 70,000 mile 73 super beetle from an original owner a few months ago. The car had just been serviced bya local shop to pass our local emissions testing(Aircare or as I like to call it airscare!). Soon after she purchased it it started suffering some running issues. It has a replacement Empi 34 pict 3 I believe and what appears to be a 009 Distributor(What I remember from my last 1600dp. Mind you I haven't played with one since about 2006...) Anyways the issues that were going on it was stalling when it was cold. It would fire up fine and she would take off and as soon as she would return to idle it would stall. Which sounds like a total carb icing issue. To address that it got a new intake manifold and a new muffler. Which didn't fix it. Also it started developing a backfire through the carb on shut down. And hard to start when warm. also a intermittant misfire mid range in the revs. The disty cap is nearly new. Rotor looks okay.. Certainly not new a bit grungy but not totally burned .. Its had plugs, wires etc. When I was looking at the aircare sheet . The hydrocarbons were high, and I'm certain its running rich. My gut feeling on this one is that the carb is way out of adjustment and that the timing is way out to lunch. I checked it for exhaust leaks and none were apparent... Any thoughts
Re: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues
I have a stock 1600 dp witch dual vacuum advance stock dizzy. Got mine tuned pretty good but would love to see your specs Courtney. Maybe I could tune mine better. Mike in Alabama On Dec 21, 2012 4:50 PM, Courtney Hook courtneyh...@shaw.ca wrote: That is the classic 009 dizzy/34pict stall and bog off idle syndrome. Get a vacuum advance dizzy, and all the troubles will be gone. Do a search for this and you'll see it's a real problem. Go to aircooled.net and there is a good article on it. I have the proper setup specs to tune the 34pict if you need them. They are a bitch to set up properly, but after that they are good. Courtney I'm thankful to all those who said no. Because of them I did it myself. -Original Message- From: Kirin Jacobsen Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:27 AM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues Hey guys, I have a friend who a few months ago purchased a very clean 70,000 mile 73 super beetle from an original owner a few months ago. The car had just been serviced bya local shop to pass our local emissions testing(Aircare or as I like to call it airscare!). Soon after she purchased it it started suffering some running issues. It has a replacement Empi 34 pict 3 I believe and what appears to be a 009 Distributor(What I remember from my last 1600dp. Mind you I haven't played with one since about 2006...) Anyways the issues that were going on it was stalling when it was cold. It would fire up fine and she would take off and as soon as she would return to idle it would stall. Which sounds like a total carb icing issue. To address that it got a new intake manifold and a new muffler. Which didn't fix it. Also it started developing a backfire through the carb on shut down. And hard to start when warm. also a intermittant misfire mid range in the revs. The disty cap is nearly new. Rotor looks okay.. Certainly not new a bit grungy but not totally burned .. Its had plugs, wires etc. When I was looking at the aircare sheet . The hydrocarbons were high, and I'm certain its running rich. My gut feeling on this one is that the carb is way out of adjustment and that the timing is way out to lunch. I checked it for exhaust leaks and none were apparent... Any thoughts? Its been a long time since I played with this stuff And well my next venture is with a stroker so thats bound to be entertaining.. Cheers, Kirin -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/** vintagvw@googlegroups.comhttp://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscribe@** googlegroups.com vintagvw%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/vintagvw?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en . -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/** vintagvw@googlegroups.comhttp://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscribe@** googlegroups.com vintagvw%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/vintagvw?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en . -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en.
Re: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues
Ok Mike, will scan the procedure for you. It came out in a HotVW’s annual. Will take me a day or two if that’s ok with you, now that it’s busy Xmas time! Court I'm thankful to all those who said no. Because of them I did it myself. From: Mike Morehouse Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 4:23 PM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues I have a stock 1600 dp witch dual vacuum advance stock dizzy. Got mine tuned pretty good but would love to see your specs Courtney. Maybe I could tune mine better. Mike in Alabama On Dec 21, 2012 4:50 PM, Courtney Hook courtneyh...@shaw.ca wrote: That is the classic 009 dizzy/34pict stall and bog off idle syndrome. Get a vacuum advance dizzy, and all the troubles will be gone. Do a search for this and you'll see it's a real problem. Go to aircooled.net and there is a good article on it. I have the proper setup specs to tune the 34pict if you need them. They are a bitch to set up properly, but after that they are good. Courtney I'm thankful to all those who said no. Because of them I did it myself. -Original Message- From: Kirin Jacobsen Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:27 AM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues Hey guys, I have a friend who a few months ago purchased a very clean 70,000 mile 73 super beetle from an original owner a few months ago. The car had just been serviced bya local shop to pass our local emissions testing(Aircare or as I like to call it airscare!). Soon after she purchased it it started suffering some running issues. It has a replacement Empi 34 pict 3 I believe and what appears to be a 009 Distributor(What I remember from my last 1600dp. Mind you I haven't played with one since about 2006...) Anyways the issues that were going on it was stalling when it was cold. It would fire up fine and she would take off and as soon as she would return to idle it would stall. Which sounds like a total carb icing issue. To address that it got a new intake manifold and a new muffler. Which didn't fix it. Also it started developing a backfire through the carb on shut down. And hard to start when warm. also a intermittant misfire mid range in the revs. The disty cap is nearly new. Rotor looks okay.. Certainly not new a bit grungy but not totally burned .. Its had plugs, wires etc. When I was looking at the aircare sheet . The hydrocarbons were high, and I'm certain its running rich. My gut feeling on this one is that the carb is way out of adjustment and that the timing is way out to lunch. I checked it for exhaust leaks and none were apparent... Any thoughts? Its been a long time since I played with this stuff And well my next venture is with a stroker so thats bound to be entertaining.. Cheers, Kirin -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en.
Re: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues
Amazing! I’ve got the article right now! I must be more organized than I thought! Anybody want the article on properly adjusting a 34pict-3?? Courtney I'm thankful to all those who said no. Because of them I did it myself. From: Courtney Hook Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 5:23 PM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues Ok Mike, will scan the procedure for you. It came out in a HotVW’s annual. Will take me a day or two if that’s ok with you, now that it’s busy Xmas time! Court I'm thankful to all those who said no. Because of them I did it myself. From: Mike Morehouse Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 4:23 PM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues I have a stock 1600 dp witch dual vacuum advance stock dizzy. Got mine tuned pretty good but would love to see your specs Courtney. Maybe I could tune mine better. Mike in Alabama On Dec 21, 2012 4:50 PM, Courtney Hook courtneyh...@shaw.ca wrote: That is the classic 009 dizzy/34pict stall and bog off idle syndrome. Get a vacuum advance dizzy, and all the troubles will be gone. Do a search for this and you'll see it's a real problem. Go to aircooled.net and there is a good article on it. I have the proper setup specs to tune the 34pict if you need them. They are a bitch to set up properly, but after that they are good. Courtney I'm thankful to all those who said no. Because of them I did it myself. -Original Message- From: Kirin Jacobsen Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:27 AM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues Hey guys, I have a friend who a few months ago purchased a very clean 70,000 mile 73 super beetle from an original owner a few months ago. The car had just been serviced bya local shop to pass our local emissions testing(Aircare or as I like to call it airscare!). Soon after she purchased it it started suffering some running issues. It has a replacement Empi 34 pict 3 I believe and what appears to be a 009 Distributor(What I remember from my last 1600dp. Mind you I haven't played with one since about 2006...) Anyways the issues that were going on it was stalling when it was cold. It would fire up fine and she would take off and as soon as she would return to idle it would stall. Which sounds like a total carb icing issue. To address that it got a new intake manifold and a new muffler. Which didn't fix it. Also it started developing a backfire through the carb on shut down. And hard to start when warm. also a intermittant misfire mid range in the revs. The disty cap is nearly new. Rotor looks okay.. Certainly not new a bit grungy but not totally burned .. Its had plugs, wires etc. When I was looking at the aircare sheet . The hydrocarbons were high, and I'm certain its running rich. My gut feeling on this one is that the carb is way out of adjustment and that the timing is way out to lunch. I checked it for exhaust leaks and none were apparent... Any thoughts? Its been a long time since I played with this stuff And well my next venture is with a stroker so thats bound to be entertaining.. Cheers, Kirin -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr
Re: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues
That would be great. Certainly no rush and have a blessed Christmas. Mike On Dec 21, 2012 7:23 PM, Courtney Hook courtneyh...@shaw.ca wrote: Ok Mike, will scan the procedure for you. It came out in a HotVW’s annual. Will take me a day or two if that’s ok with you, now that it’s busy Xmas time! Court I'm thankful to all those who said no. Because of them I did it myself. *From:* Mike Morehouse hokiemik...@gmail.com *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2012 4:23 PM *To:* vintagvw@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues I have a stock 1600 dp witch dual vacuum advance stock dizzy. Got mine tuned pretty good but would love to see your specs Courtney. Maybe I could tune mine better. Mike in Alabama On Dec 21, 2012 4:50 PM, Courtney Hook courtneyh...@shaw.ca wrote: That is the classic 009 dizzy/34pict stall and bog off idle syndrome. Get a vacuum advance dizzy, and all the troubles will be gone. Do a search for this and you'll see it's a real problem. Go to aircooled.net and there is a good article on it. I have the proper setup specs to tune the 34pict if you need them. They are a bitch to set up properly, but after that they are good. Courtney I'm thankful to all those who said no. Because of them I did it myself. -Original Message- From: Kirin Jacobsen Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:27 AM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: [vintagvw] 1600DP running issues Hey guys, I have a friend who a few months ago purchased a very clean 70,000 mile 73 super beetle from an original owner a few months ago. The car had just been serviced bya local shop to pass our local emissions testing(Aircare or as I like to call it airscare!). Soon after she purchased it it started suffering some running issues. It has a replacement Empi 34 pict 3 I believe and what appears to be a 009 Distributor(What I remember from my last 1600dp. Mind you I haven't played with one since about 2006...) Anyways the issues that were going on it was stalling when it was cold. It would fire up fine and she would take off and as soon as she would return to idle it would stall. Which sounds like a total carb icing issue. To address that it got a new intake manifold and a new muffler. Which didn't fix it. Also it started developing a backfire through the carb on shut down. And hard to start when warm. also a intermittant misfire mid range in the revs. The disty cap is nearly new. Rotor looks okay.. Certainly not new a bit grungy but not totally burned .. Its had plugs, wires etc. When I was looking at the aircare sheet . The hydrocarbons were high, and I'm certain its running rich. My gut feeling on this one is that the carb is way out of adjustment and that the timing is way out to lunch. I checked it for exhaust leaks and none were apparent... Any thoughts? Its been a long time since I played with this stuff And well my next venture is with a stroker so thats bound to be entertaining.. Cheers, Kirin -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/** vintagvw@googlegroups.comhttp://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscribe@** googlegroups.com vintagvw%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/vintagvw?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en . -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/** vintagvw@googlegroups.comhttp://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscribe@** googlegroups.com vintagvw%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/vintagvw?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en . -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw?hl=en. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from
