RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-25 Thread Joe
Miller Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 8:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? Hi, I completely agree here. Just look at other companies, Microsoft for example, a company that claims all their products are accessible to persons with disibilities. That statement

OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Craig Werner
Greetings to the list. Over on the vi-kindle email list from freelists.org, a user asked a penetrating question: Why did Apple build accessibility into all of its products? Knowing the answer to this query might prove helpful as blind and visually impaired people work with other companies to

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Keith Watson
Hi, If you go back and read any of the Jobs biographies or watch any of the movies I believe that you will see that although he could be an asshole, Jobs was a visionary. His ideology was the driving force behind total control of the products that Apple created. Universal access was only a

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Scott Howell
Craig, I am not sure you will find a specific reason. I have heard stories that range from Apple facing a lawsuit (not likely at all) to some child of an engineer (more likely) who was blind. I suspect the real reason is that Apple saw an opportunity and opted to take a risk which I should

RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Daniel Miller
To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? Craig, I am not sure you will find a specific reason. I have heard stories that range from Apple facing a lawsuit (not likely at all) to some child of an engineer (more likely) who was blind. I suspect the real reason

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Christopher Chaltain
] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:37 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? Craig, I am not sure you will find a specific reason. I have heard stories that range from Apple facing a lawsuit (not likely at all) to some child

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Ricardo Walker
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:37 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? Craig, I am not sure you will find a specific reason. I have heard stories that range from Apple facing a lawsuit

RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread M. Taylor
Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 11:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? I know you didn't want conjecture, but I've seen several times, from people who were involved with the issue at the time, that Apple did this because they had

RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Timothy Harshbarger
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? Christopher, Your recollection is dead on. I was managing an Apple computer lab at a city college back in those days and Apple was, indeed, losing out on government contracts

RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Gail the U. S. Male
. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? Hello, I totally agree here. It would have been easy

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Pete Nalda
Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? Craig, I am not sure you will find a specific reason. I have heard stories that range from Apple facing a lawsuit (not likely at all) to some child of an engineer (more likely) who was blind. I suspect the real reason is that Apple saw

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Ricardo Walker
Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? I also think Apple did something else no other company did, by having us, the blind community,test what was then called Spoken Interface, before it became VoiceOver, and released in Tiger (10.4). Egun On, Lagunak! Basque for G'day, Mates

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Christopher Chaltain
. There wasn't, so things worked out differently. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Nalda Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 4:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Christopher Chaltain
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? Craig, I am not sure you will find a specific reason. I have heard stories that range from Apple facing a lawsuit (not likely at all) to some child of an engineer (more likely) who was blind. I suspect the real reason is that Apple

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? Hello, I totally agree here. It would have been easy, and truth be told, probably more profitable, if they decided to put out a weak screen reader, something like Windows Narrator for example, you know, just enough to satisfy the letter

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Scott Howell
: Sunday, June 24, 2012 4:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? I also think Apple did something else no other company did, by having us, the blind community,test what was then called Spoken Interface, before it became VoiceOver, and released

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Ricardo Walker
@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Nalda Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 4:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? I also think Apple did something else no other company did, by having us, the blind community,test what

RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Timothy Harshbarger
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Ricardo Walker Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? I'm one of those people who felt that way. I admit now though that what Apple has done has given me a lot