RE: What is the difference between KNFB Reader, and KNFB reader Enterprise?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Chris,

At the top of the app description of KNFB Reader Enterprise it says the 
following:

To activate and use KNFB Reader Enterprise you need a license with valid 
username and password.
If you do not yet have these, please contact your KNFBReader Enterprise 
distributor or site administrator.
A list of distributors where you can buy your license can be found on the KNFB 
Reader website www.knfbreader.com.
You can also buy your license directly from the appstore by installing 
knfbReader instead of KNFB Reader Enterprise

Also, once you get down to where the price of the app is listed, KNFB Reader 
Enterprise says “Free”, but this of course is not because it is in fact free, 
but because the Enterprise version apparently is designed for companies who may 
want to purchase and manager multiple licenses. I assume KNFB Reader allows 
them to purchase said licenses and the user can then activate them with a login.
Apart from that the app itself is exactly the same.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Cris Ali
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What is the difference between KNFB Reader, and KNFB reader Enterprise?

Hello folks,
The subject says it all.  I noticed that in the app store there is the KNFB 
Reader which I bought over a year ago, and the KNFB Reader Enterprise.  Are 
there any significant differences between the two?
I am just curious!
Cheers,
Cris

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What is the difference between KNFB Reader, and KNFB reader Enterprise?

[Cris Ali]

Hello folks,
The subject says it all.  I noticed that in the app store there is the KNFB 
Reader which I bought over a year ago, and the KNFB Reader Enterprise.  Are 
there any significant differences between the two?
I am just curious!
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Application question

[Joney]

An interesting question for those of us who use the light detector app. Is 
someone going to be able to update it? And if not are there others out there 
besides light detector? I've used it since my old iPhone 4. That was eons ago. 
LOL Joney
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RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Wayne Scott]

I know a few sighted people who use Siri, but not like we do.  
So, you may have a point there.


- Original Message -
From: "Mr.  Ed"  wrote:


Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google 
Assistant away from Google, after all, it’s not the first time 
Apple hired away talent from Google or other companies.


.





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On Behalf Of Kevin Chao

Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM


To: Viphone  wrote:


No, just the public beta software program.
On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel  
wrote:


Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? 
In two or at the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta 
for free.


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On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth

Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
To: Viphone  
wrote:


Hi Ming.
Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss.  
I am not one of them that's why I'm replying.

Have a great day.
Jen


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On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


hi all!
anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
does the voices also can work in voice over as well?


thanks!
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RE: which GPS app should I buy?

[Mike Ulrich]

One other comment to make on the Nearby explorer app:
It will take up far more storage space on the IPhone, as compared to the Seeing 
Eye app. This is because the Near By Explorer app has everything on the IPhone 
itself, not cloud based such as the Seeing Eye app. BTW: I now have one year of 
the Seeing Eye app on my 128 gig SE. But when I run out of that subscription; I 
won't renew it, instead I'll purchase the Near By Explorer app for $79.99. 
Since I now have plenty of storage; this ain't no problem.
I've recently done far more research into the whole blind GPS dilemma, and in 
my opinion; Nearby Explorer sounds far more usable/and way cool too! A real 
winner; hands down!

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jim Noseworthy
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: which GPS app should i buy?

Well,

It depends what GPS functions you're looking for: orientational, navigational, 
or both and what you're willing to spend.

If you're wanting both orientational and navigational gps, your choices are 
"Seeing Eye Gps", and "Nearby Explorer."

In this writer's opinion, "Nearby Explorer is a much better option than Seeing 
Eye GPS;
1:  It's much cheeper;
2: Updates to the program are much more frequent.
3: It is, in my opinion, a much more complete GPS system than Seeing-Eye GPS.

If, on the otherhand, you're only interested in orientational GPS, by far, your 
best option is, again in my opinion, BlindSquare.  It's been around now for 
some time and is a very mature product.  It also supports the "What Three 
Words" service.

Hope this helps.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: which GPS app should i buy?

I agree with Mike, although I don't have a lot of experience with Seeing Eye; 
it's price alone of $300 is a great deal more than the $80 of Nearby Explorer.

I believe the support for Seeing Eye may be better (in that you can pick up a 
phone and call someone, or email their support department), where-as Nearby 
Explorer's only support is a mailing list (nothing else).  The lack of support 
is perhaps my only significant criticism offered for Nearby Explorer.

If money is very important, you can try the $20 Blind Square ... not my 
favorite because the maps it uses for intersections are "free" ones created by 
volunteers, and so often quite incorrect, but it's price is the best.

Hth,

Chip


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Mike Arrigo
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?

In my opinion, nearby explorer is by far the best one, it provides the most 
automatic feedback, much better than the seeing eye app, I would go with nearby 
explorer for sure.
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> buy? nearby explorer, the seeing eye GPS, or seeing eye XT? please 
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Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Mary Otten]

This is an actually the Google assistant. It is the Google app that comes 
standard on most android devices that are not the latest and greatest. Although 
Google assistant is rolling out to more devices now, I still don't have it, so 
I'm still using regular Google. One other thing that Google does and also 
Google assistant is put ads on the screen that comes up after you've asked for 
something. That is also annoying. I hope Apple never does this and I doubt they 
will.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Interesting to hear that the Google Assistant has its flaws as well.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> You know, one of the very simplest things that Siri always gets right is 
> opening an app when I Hasket too. Google doesn't. More often than not on my 
> android device, when I ask Google to open an app I get a stupid screen I have 
> to then tap on the instructions it says open this app. Google is really smart 
> about a lot of things, so why can't it yet opening apps right?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> You are very wrong here, Ed, just because your wife doesn’t use it and maybe 
> a few other people you know does not mean sighted people don’t use SIRI. I 
> think you would need a somewhat larger statistical sample to draw an accurate 
> conclusion as to how many sighted people use SIRI. If people would not use 
> SIRI that would mean also Android users would not use Google Assistant or 
> Windows users would not use Cortana. If this was so companies like Amazon or 
> Google and now Microsoft would not spend so much time and effort in 
> developing these digital assistants and in coming up with smartspeakers and 
> what have you. How many millions of people in the US have bought the Echo or 
> the Google Home, voice is the only way you can really interact with these 
> things so obviously people must do it.
> I just think Apple is typical Apple here, they do things in their own way and 
> time and don’t really care what people say. Look how long it took them to 
> announce a speaker, now they have and they are not trying to make  it sound 
> like it goes right up against the Echo or Google Home, but they position it 
> as an audio file speaker which is also smart and once they do in fact make 
> SIRI a lot smarter which they will in their own time it will become more 
> popular.
> Voice interface is definitely the up and coming thing and everybody does it 
> and in time even people who currently may not use it will do so in a few 
> years.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mr. Ed
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> Hi Sieghard,
> I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri. I know I 
> agree with you that I wish Apple would make it do more. But I am wondering in 
> the scheme of things I wonder how many sighted people use Siri like the 
> visually impaired do. I know my wife does not use Siri and I cannot think of 
> one sighted person I know ever use it. So I am thinking Apple does not 
> improve Siri just for the blind and they don’t get much input from the 
> sighted users, so that is why I am thinking they don’t improve it. Just my 
> thought on this.
> Mr. Ed
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
> and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as 
> SIRI goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, 
> it just seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but 
> they of course know that is what everybody wants.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kevin Chao
> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
> artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to 
> lots of talent in this domain.
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
> from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
> Google or other companies.
> .
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> 

RE: Sonos speakers and iPhone.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mike,

I know the Sonos Connect which is more like a traditional amplifier where you 
hook up speakers with speaker wire has 110 Watts (2 * 55 Watts) of Class D 
amplification.
I don't think Sonos is providing this information for the Play 1, Play 3 and 
Play 5.
Keep in mind that these are not bluetooth speakers, you don't actually play 
something on you riPhone and send it to these speakers unless you had an 
Airport Express connected to one of the players which has an input hence 
allowing you to use Airplay.
I can tell you for sure that especially a Play 5 goes as loud as you would want 
it to go and they do sound great and if you were to set up a pair of Play 5 as 
a stereo pair then volume is simply not an issue unless your living room is 
1,000 square feet or larger. I can only recommend these, there are places where 
Sonos is sold and where you could go to listen to it or you could simply order 
any of the players directly from Sonos without risk as they offer a very 
generous 45-day return policy, no questions asked, just make sure you unpack it 
carefully, keep all the packing material and take notes or make an audio 
recording as you unpack it so you know how to put it back properly. I think 
they even pay the return shipping.
Also remember that these are not battery operated speakers, they are wireless 
in that they get their music via your WiFi network, but they do need to be 
plugged into a wall outlet.
I used to be very much an audio file and at one point did have money from a 
settlement which I partly used to buy a $30,000 stereo system and those were 
1995/1996 Dollars. I still have that system, but replaced the $2,500 Sonic 
Frontiers CD Transport with a $299 Sonos Connect and it sounds great. Of course 
I still run the digital signal from the Coax Digital output on the Sonos 
through a Sonic Frontiers tube DA converter, a high-end electronic corssover 
and then to a Sonic Frontiers Power 2 hybrid tube/transistor amp and from there 
to a set of custom built satellites and also to a Bryston 4NRB power amp which 
drives a pair of custom built transmission line 12 inch subwovers. 
I could now spend $1,700 and buy a set of Sonos Play 5 and a Sonos Sub and be 
extremely happy with that sound, the Play 5 sounds great, a set sounds better 
and add the $700 Sonos Wireless Sub and you have an outstanding music system.
Does it sound as good as my system downstairs? No, of course not, but my system 
downstairs which cost 18 times what this setup costs does also not sound 18 
times better and of course spending $30,000 is not what most people (including 
me today) could spend.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos speakers and iPhone.

Hi Seigard, I really would be interested in just how loud, and how the sound 
quality, is of these Sonos speakers really are. I don't mind spending good 
money on perfectly sounding loud Bluetooth speakers.
I've just recently purchased a "200 watts" Bluetooth speaker. Only to find out 
that the "200 watts" of today, is nowhere near the "200 watts" of yesteryear.
Talk about making you feel like an old man!

So here's my question:
What is the for real wattage of any of these Sonos Bluetooth speakers? I would 
plunk down good money for a BT speaker that would shake you out of your 
underwears!
But just show me that speaker and I'd buy it hands down.

Thanks much, and curiously awaiting a response!.Mike

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos speakers and iPhone.

Agree with Robin, accessibility of the iPhone app is fantastic and complete, 
sound quality is awesome and I have not yet seen another speaker which supports 
this many online sources both free and paid, I think Sonos supports over 30 
services including Tune In Radio, iHeart Radio, Slacker, SoundCloud, Apple 
Music, Google Play Music, Amazon Music, Spotify, Deezer, Pandora, Tidal, Sirus 
XM and dozens of others. 
You can even add multiple account for the same music service, e.g. if you have 
Apple Music and you want to add your own account and that of your wife or other 
family member then this is also possible.
Here is what they say directly on their website, keep in mind that I am in 
Canada and Pandora and probably other services are not available here which is 
why they don't show up in the list, despite that there are 39 services in this 
list and 5 more under Sonos Labs:

All the music on earth. And then some. 

Sonos was created by music lovers. For music lovers. Which means we want Sonos 
to play absolutely all the music you love - no matter where it comes from.
The Internet for streaming services, radio, and podcasts. Plus that personal 
collection 

RE: Airplay and the At bat app?

[Mike Ulrich]

Well I have no suggestions, but that totally sucks!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jenifer Barr
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:08 PM
To: iPhone List
Subject: Airplay and the At bat app?

Hi all.
I'm trying to listen to a baseball game on my apple TV using airplay between my 
phone and the apple tv. Airplay works with other apps but the at bat app. I've 
tried uninstalling and reinstalling the app. No go. Any other suggesttions to 
try? It's worked before. 
Thanks. 



Sent from my iPhone

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RE: which GPS app should i buy?

[Jim Noseworthy]

Kelly:

Good points.


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Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 3:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?

Another consideration is where in the world you are located.  You do not say 
and this is an important consideration for anyone asking for app 
recommendations. Nearby Explorer is only currently available in North America 
while the other two have maps for other parts of the world.  Also, you do not 
say if you need the app in a language other than English.  Nearby explorer 
supports only English while Blind Square supports more than 20 languages.  
English though is an international language spoken throughout the world by 
educated peple.

Kelly

On 6/18/17, Jim Noseworthy  wrote:
> Well,
>
> It depends what GPS functions you're looking for: orientational, 
> navigational, or both and what you're willing to spend.
>
> If you're wanting both orientational and navigational gps, your 
> choices are "Seeing Eye Gps", and "Nearby Explorer."
>
> In this writer's opinion, "Nearby Explorer is a much better option 
> than Seeing Eye GPS;
> 1:  It's much cheeper;
> 2: Updates to the program are much more frequent.
> 3: It is, in my opinion, a much more complete GPS system than 
> Seeing-Eye GPS.
>
> If, on the otherhand, you're only interested in orientational GPS, by 
> far, your best option is, again in my opinion, BlindSquare.  It's been 
> around now for some time and is a very mature product.  It also 
> supports the "What Three Words" service.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Chip Orange
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: which GPS app should i buy?
>
> I agree with Mike, although I don't have a lot of experience with 
> Seeing Eye; it's price alone of $300 is a great deal more than the $80 
> of Nearby Explorer.
>
> I believe the support for Seeing Eye may be better (in that you can 
> pick up a phone and call someone, or email their support department), 
> where-as Nearby Explorer's only support is a mailing list (nothing 
> else).  The lack of support is perhaps my only significant criticism 
> offered for Nearby Explorer.
>
> If money is very important, you can try the $20 Blind Square ... not 
> my favorite because the maps it uses for intersections are "free" ones 
> created by volunteers, and so often quite incorrect, but it's price is the 
> best.
>
> Hth,
>
> Chip
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?
>
> In my opinion, nearby explorer is by far the best one, it provides the 
> most automatic feedback, much better than the seeing eye app, I would 
> go with nearby explorer for sure.
> Original message:
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>> bo buy? nearby explorer, the seeing eye GPS, or seeing eye XT? please 
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RE: White Noise App

[Mike Ulrich]

Hi Chip,

Wow, those headphones sound really trick! Although I’m good with using one of 
my Bluetooth speakers located in my front room, when I’m sleeping, or trying to 
sleep that is, back in my bedroom. This set up with the Deep Sleep app works 
really good for me; playing through my Marshall Kilburn BT speaker!

Chip, I really really appreciate your input on this thread/question; about 
white noise apps. You once again came through with a real winner!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: White Noise App

 

Hi Mike,

 

Please allow me to also heartily recommend a set of special sleeping headphones 
(which I buy from Amazon for around $20) called Cozi Phones.  They are two soft 
foam speakers embedded between two sheets of elastic material which is shaped 
into a headband.  You can slide the two ear pieces up/down, forward and back, 
until they’re placed over your ears.  They are extremely comfortable, with a 
specially strengthened cord exitting through the rear over your neck.  They 
never come off of my ears during the night, no matter how much I toss and turn. 
 They are absolutely great, and I consider them to be my discovery of the year 
for myself.

 

As you say, good sleeping!

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 5:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: White Noise App

 

Happy sleeping Chip! I finally just now downloaded this app, wouldn’t you know 
it,; after another sleepless in Cape Coral night!

With the untimely death of my 16 gig 5S, my newly acquired 128 gig SE has more 
than enough room for me to finally add this what seems to be cool app!

 

 

Hopefully sleeping soon in Cape Coral!..Mike

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: White Noise App

 

Thanks for the recommendations.  I went searching before I found these, and I 
found a very accessible free app named: White Noise  and Deep Sleep Sounds for 
You and Baby”.  When you install it, it then shows its name as just “Deep Sleep 
Free”.

 

It has white, pink, and brown noise choices, as well as mechanical sounds such 
as a fan, and a selection of nature sounds as well.  I’m quite happy with it.

 

Chip

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 7:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: White Noise App

 

Or the White Noise app by T M Soft? They have lots of sounds already in the app 
and a place to download more for free. Lots of natural-sounding sounds. 

Sharonda

Sent from my mobile device; please excuse any mistakes 


On May 26, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

Have you tried Mynoise?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Chip Orange  
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 5:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: White Noise App

 

I really like Nature Space, but I too am looking for "simpler" sounds (such as 
a soft hum and/or a soft hiss, or the sound of an old fashoned box fan running).

 

Thanks,

 

Chip

 

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:22 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: White Noise App

 

OK, then why don't you list some of the sounds  you are looking for since this 
would allow those of us who use different apps to see if these sounds are there.

 

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelby Carlson

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:14 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: White Noise App

 

It doesn't have the sounds I was looking for.

 

On 5/23/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> It might help if you point out what you don't like about Nature Space.

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 

> Behalf Of Kelby Carlson

> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:29 AM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com

> Subject: Re: White Noise App

> 

> I don't really like that one. Are there others?

> 

> On 5/22/17, Richard Turner  wrote:

>> 

>> Nature Space. It is free and completely accessible with VoiceOver.

>> There are extra sounds you can buy, but it comes with 6, infinite 

>> shoreline, which is ocean waves, Night at Lake Unknown, which has 

>> sounds like you were by a lake at night with a variety of 

>> environmental sounds, etc.

>> The sound quality is excellent!

>> Richard

>> 

RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Mike Ulrich]

I actually personally know of many of the sightling variety that constantly use 
siri. Heck, even Rush Limbaugh uses Siri too.

Just imagine you have to drive from point A to point B. I’m talking a major 
road trip; 500 miles +. Those Sightlings can just hit the home button and say; 
Siri, where can I find a place for breakfast; providing you have Location 
Services turned on, and bingo; you know where to head to. Siri will even ask 
you if you want driving directions to her suggestions for breakfast joints. Or 
she’ll ask you if you want to call them.

If I hadn’t gone blind, I’d call that hands free assistance. Plus way big time 
cool too!

 

Siri benefits everyone, and that’s a nice comforting fact.

See what I’m saying?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

Hi Sieghard,

I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri. I know I agree 
with you that I wish Apple would make it do more. But I am wondering in the 
scheme of things I wonder how many sighted people use Siri like the visually 
impaired do. I know my wife does not use Siri and I cannot think of one sighted 
person I know ever use it. So I am thinking Apple does not improve Siri just 
for the blind and they don’t get much input from the sighted users, so that is 
why I am thinking they don’t improve it. Just my thought on this. 

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as SIRI 
goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, it just 
seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but they of 
course know that is what everybody wants.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to lots 
of talent in this domain.

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
Google or other companies.

.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM


To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive Siri 
voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the structure 
and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and meaningful 
intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has is that it 
was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, helpful, and 
useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” today would not 
last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a bright future with 
the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and time needs to be 
realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:

No, just the public beta software program.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or at 
> the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>
> And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
>> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ming.
>> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not one 
>> of them that's why I'm replying.
>> Have a great day.
>> Jen
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi all!
>>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
>>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>> Ming
>>>
>>> msn/window live messenger
>>> chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com
>>> skype:
>>> chungchiming9950
>>>
>>> face book:
>>> http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1
>>>
>>> --
>>> The following information 

RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Interesting to hear that the Google Assistant has its flaws as well.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

You know, one of the very simplest things that Siri always gets right is 
opening an app when I Hasket too. Google doesn't. More often than not on my 
android device, when I ask Google to open an app I get a stupid screen I have 
to then tap on the instructions it says open this app. Google is really smart 
about a lot of things, so why can't it yet opening apps right?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:
You are very wrong here, Ed, just because your wife doesn’t use it and maybe a 
few other people you know does not mean sighted people don’t use SIRI. I think 
you would need a somewhat larger statistical sample to draw an accurate 
conclusion as to how many sighted people use SIRI. If people would not use SIRI 
that would mean also Android users would not use Google Assistant or Windows 
users would not use Cortana. If this was so companies like Amazon or Google and 
now Microsoft would not spend so much time and effort in developing these 
digital assistants and in coming up with smartspeakers and what have you. How 
many millions of people in the US have bought the Echo or the Google Home, 
voice is the only way you can really interact with these things so obviously 
people must do it.
I just think Apple is typical Apple here, they do things in their own way and 
time and don’t really care what people say. Look how long it took them to 
announce a speaker, now they have and they are not trying to make it sound like 
it goes right up against the Echo or Google Home, but they position it as an 
audio file speaker which is also smart and once they do in fact make SIRI a lot 
smarter which they will in their own time it will become more popular.
Voice interface is definitely the up and coming thing and everybody does it and 
in time even people who currently may not use it will do so in a few years.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

Hi Sieghard,
I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri. I know I agree 
with you that I wish Apple would make it do more. But I am wondering in the 
scheme of things I wonder how many sighted people use Siri like the visually 
impaired do. I know my wife does not use Siri and I cannot think of one sighted 
person I know ever use it. So I am thinking Apple does not improve Siri just 
for the blind and they don’t get much input from the sighted users, so that is 
why I am thinking they don’t improve it. Just my thought on this.
Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as SIRI 
goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, it just 
seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but they of 
course know that is what everybody wants.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to lots 
of talent in this domain.
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:
Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
Google or other companies.
.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM

To: Viphone >
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive Siri 
voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the structure 
and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and meaningful 
intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has is 

RE: Sonos speakers and iPhone.

[Mike Ulrich]

Hi Seigard, I really would be interested in just how loud, and how the sound 
quality, is of these Sonos speakers really are. I don't mind spending good 
money on perfectly sounding loud Bluetooth speakers.
I've just recently purchased a "200 watts" Bluetooth speaker. Only to find out 
that the "200 watts" of today, is nowhere near the "200 watts" of yesteryear.
Talk about making you feel like an old man!

So here's my question:
What is the for real wattage of any of these Sonos Bluetooth speakers? I would 
plunk down good money for a BT speaker that would shake you out of your 
underwears!
But just show me that speaker and I'd buy it hands down.

Thanks much, and curiously awaiting a response!.Mike

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos speakers and iPhone.

Agree with Robin, accessibility of the iPhone app is fantastic and complete, 
sound quality is awesome and I have not yet seen another speaker which supports 
this many online sources both free and paid, I think Sonos supports over 30 
services including Tune In Radio, iHeart Radio, Slacker, SoundCloud, Apple 
Music, Google Play Music, Amazon Music, Spotify, Deezer, Pandora, Tidal, Sirus 
XM and dozens of others. 
You can even add multiple account for the same music service, e.g. if you have 
Apple Music and you want to add your own account and that of your wife or other 
family member then this is also possible.
Here is what they say directly on their website, keep in mind that I am in 
Canada and Pandora and probably other services are not available here which is 
why they don't show up in the list, despite that there are 39 services in this 
list and 5 more under Sonos Labs:

All the music on earth. And then some. 

Sonos was created by music lovers. For music lovers. Which means we want Sonos 
to play absolutely all the music you love - no matter where it comes from.
The Internet for streaming services, radio, and podcasts. Plus that personal 
collection of music downloads you’ve got stored on your computer, phone and 
tablet. 

Streaming services. 
Free. Premium. Curated. On-demand. The list of streaming music services on 
Sonos keeps growing. Some names you’ll recognize right away. Others may be less 
familiar, but still worth exploring. Remember, service availability varies by 
region so click for details to find out if it’s playing in your area.
Already subscribe to a service? Great. Just add it to Sonos using the app, sign 
in, and play it out loud — for the entire house to enjoy.

7digital 
Apple Music 
AccuRadio 
Anghami 
Audiobooks.com 
BandCamp 
CalmRadio 
Classical Archives 
Custom Channels
Dar FM 
daytrotter 
Deezer 
FIT Radio 
Focus at will 
Gaana
Google Play Music
Groove 
Hearts of Space 
hotelRadio 
Hype Machine 
iHeart Radio 
Last FM (scrobble only)
MixCloud 
Napster 
Nugs.net 
radionomy 
Radiopup 
RUSC 
Sirius XM 
Slacker Radio 
SoundCloud 
Soundmachine 
Spotify 
Spreaker
Stingray Music 
Stitcher 
Tidal 
tuneIn 
Tribe of Noise 

Sonos labs (upcoming services still in th testing phase):
NTS Radio 
Plex 
Radioplayer 
Sign in with RauteMusik.FM 
Wolfgang’s Music

Sonos plays everything – the most popular streaming services, on-demand 
services, internet radio, your favourite podcasts and audiobooks, your go-to 
collection of downloads – whatever you love to listen to.
 
Internet radio and podcasts. 
With Radio by TuneIn on Sonos, you’ll have instant access to over 100,000 local 
and international radio stations, shows, and podcasts streaming from every 
continent. All for free. 
Browse for stations or type in specific call letters or a podcast you love.

Your personal music library. 
Play music from every PC, Mac, and storage drive on your home network. Up to 16 
sources. And all those songs on your smartphone, too.
Choose “On this phone” in the Main Menu and listen to your heart’s content.

Audio formats supported 
Sonos supports a number of audio formats at various sample rates and bitrates 
including many of those used by Apple iTunes and Windows Media Player. The 
supported Lossless (uncompressed) formats are ALAC, FLAC, AIFF and WAV. The 
supported Lossy (compressed) formats are MP3, WMA, AAC and OGG.*

Operating systems (for stored files) 
Sonos can access files shared from a PC running Windows 7 and higher, Mac 
running OS X 10.9 and higher, or a Network Attached Storage (NAS) device that 
supports the Common Internet File System (CIFS).

Playlists supported 
Sonos supports the playlists that you've created in iTunes, Windows Media 
Player and services like Amazon Music, Apple Music, Deezer, Google Play Music, 
SoundCloud, Spotify, TIDAL, and more.

Album art supported 
JPG, BMP, GIF and PNG formats are supported up to a resolution of 1024 x 1024.

Internet radio supported 
Sonos supports MP3, AAC and WMA streaming audio formats for Internet radio 

Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Mary Otten]

You know, one of the very simplest things that Siri always gets right is 
opening an app when I Hasket too. Google doesn't. More often than not on my 
android device, when I ask Google to open an app I get a stupid screen I have 
to then tap on the instructions it says open this app. Google is really smart 
about a lot of things, so why can't it yet opening apps right?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> You are very wrong here, Ed, just because your wife doesn’t use it and maybe 
> a few other people you know does not mean sighted people don’t use SIRI. I 
> think you would need a somewhat larger statistical sample to draw an accurate 
> conclusion as to how many sighted people use SIRI. If people would not use 
> SIRI that would mean also Android users would not use Google Assistant or 
> Windows users would not use Cortana. If this was so companies like Amazon or 
> Google and now Microsoft would not spend so much time and effort in 
> developing these digital assistants and in coming up with smartspeakers and 
> what have you. How many millions of people in the US have bought the Echo or 
> the Google Home, voice is the only way you can really interact with these 
> things so obviously people must do it. 
> I just think Apple is typical Apple here, they do things in their own way and 
> time and don’t really care what people say. Look how long it took them to 
> announce a speaker, now they have and they are not trying to make it sound 
> like it goes right up against the Echo or Google Home, but they position it 
> as an audio file speaker which is also smart and once they do in fact make 
> SIRI a lot smarter which they will in their own time it will become more 
> popular.
> Voice interface is definitely the up and coming thing and everybody does it 
> and in time even people who currently may not use it will do so in a few 
> years.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mr. Ed
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> Hi Sieghard,
> I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri. I know I 
> agree with you that I wish Apple would make it do more. But I am wondering in 
> the scheme of things I wonder how many sighted people use Siri like the 
> visually impaired do. I know my wife does not use Siri and I cannot think of 
> one sighted person I know ever use it. So I am thinking Apple does not 
> improve Siri just for the blind and they don’t get much input from the 
> sighted users, so that is why I am thinking they don’t improve it. Just my 
> thought on this.
> Mr. Ed
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
> and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as 
> SIRI goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, 
> it just seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but 
> they of course know that is what everybody wants.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kevin Chao
> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
> artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to 
> lots of talent in this domain.
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
> from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
> Google or other companies.
> .
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kevin Chao
> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM
> 
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive 
> Siri voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the 
> structure and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and 
> meaningful intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has 
> is that it was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, 
> helpful, and useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” 
> today would not last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a 
> bright future with the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and 
> time needs to be realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher 

RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Sieghard,

You could be right. I am not disagreeing with you. I can see your point very 
clear.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

You are very wrong here, Ed, just because your wife doesn’t use it and maybe a 
few other people you know does not mean sighted people don’t use SIRI. I think 
you would need a somewhat larger statistical sample to draw an accurate 
conclusion as to how many sighted people use SIRI. If people would not use SIRI 
that would mean also Android users would not use Google Assistant or Windows 
users would not use Cortana. If this was so companies like Amazon or Google and 
now Microsoft would not spend so much time and effort in developing these 
digital assistants and in coming up with smartspeakers and what have you. How 
many millions of people in the US have bought the Echo or the Google Home, 
voice is the only way you can really interact with these things so obviously 
people must do it. 

I just think Apple is typical Apple here, they do things in their own way and 
time and don’t really care what people say. Look how long it took them to 
announce a speaker, now they have and they are not trying to make it sound like 
it goes right up against the Echo or Google Home, but they position it as an 
audio file speaker which is also smart and once they do in fact make SIRI a lot 
smarter which they will in their own time it will become more popular.

Voice interface is definitely the up and coming thing and everybody does it and 
in time even people who currently may not use it will do so in a few years.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

Hi Sieghard,

I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri. I know I agree 
with you that I wish Apple would make it do more. But I am wondering in the 
scheme of things I wonder how many sighted people use Siri like the visually 
impaired do. I know my wife does not use Siri and I cannot think of one sighted 
person I know ever use it. So I am thinking Apple does not improve Siri just 
for the blind and they don’t get much input from the sighted users, so that is 
why I am thinking they don’t improve it. Just my thought on this. 

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as SIRI 
goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, it just 
seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but they of 
course know that is what everybody wants.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to lots 
of talent in this domain.

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
Google or other companies.

.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM


To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive Siri 
voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the structure 
and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and meaningful 
intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has is that it 
was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, helpful, and 
useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” today would not 
last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a bright future with 
the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and time needs to be 
realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:

No, just the public beta software program.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or at 
> the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
>
> 

Re: Airplay and the At bat app?

[Jenifer Barr]

There is a button in the app. 
I will try what you suggested.
Thank you. (Smile)


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> How do you start Airplay? I don't have this app, but does it have a button 
> inside the app or do you go via the control centre?
> First thing I would do is close all apps and reboot the iPhone as well as the 
> Apple TV.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:08 AM
> To: iPhone List 
> Subject: Airplay and the At bat app?
> 
> Hi all.
> I'm trying to listen to a baseball game on my apple TV using airplay between 
> my phone and the apple tv. Airplay works with other apps but the at bat app. 
> I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling the app. No go. Any other 
> suggesttions to try? It's worked before. 
> Thanks. 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: White Noise App

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Chip,

They still use a cable, though? If they had bluetooth this sounds great, but 
with a cable not so much, at least not to me.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: White Noise App

Hi Mike,

Please allow me to also heartily recommend a set of special sleeping headphones 
(which I buy from Amazon for around $20) called Cozi Phones.  They are two soft 
foam speakers embedded between two sheets of elastic material which is shaped 
into a headband.  You can slide the two ear pieces up/down, forward and back, 
until they’re placed over your ears.  They are extremely comfortable, with a 
specially strengthened cord exitting through the rear over your neck.  They 
never come off of my ears during the night, no matter how much I toss and turn. 
 They are absolutely great, and I consider them to be my discovery of the year 
for myself.

As you say, good sleeping!

Chip


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 5:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: White Noise App

Happy sleeping Chip! I finally just now downloaded this app, wouldn’t you know 
it,; after another sleepless in Cape Coral night!
With the untimely death of my 16 gig 5S, my newly acquired 128 gig SE has more 
than enough room for me to finally add this what seems to be cool app!


Hopefully sleeping soon in Cape Coral!..Mike

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: White Noise App

Thanks for the recommendations.  I went searching before I found these, and I 
found a very accessible free app named: White Noise  and Deep Sleep Sounds for 
You and Baby”.  When you install it, it then shows its name as just “Deep Sleep 
Free”.

It has white, pink, and brown noise choices, as well as mechanical sounds such 
as a fan, and a selection of nature sounds as well.  I’m quite happy with it.

Chip



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 7:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: White Noise App

Or the White Noise app by T M Soft? They have lots of sounds already in the app 
and a place to download more for free. Lots of natural-sounding sounds.

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse any mistakes

On May 26, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Devin Prater 
> wrote:
Have you tried Mynoise?

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

From: Chip Orange
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 5:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: White Noise App

I really like Nature Space, but I too am looking for "simpler" sounds (such as 
a soft hum and/or a soft hiss, or the sound of an old fashoned box fan running).

Thanks,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: White Noise App

OK, then why don't you list some of the sounds  you are looking for since this 
would allow those of us who use different apps to see if these sounds are there.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelby Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: White Noise App

It doesn't have the sounds I was looking for.

On 5/23/17, Sieghard Weitzel > wrote:
> It might help if you point out what you don't like about Nature Space.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Kelby Carlson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: White Noise App
>
> I don't really like that one. Are there others?
>
> On 5/22/17, Richard Turner 
> > wrote:
>>
>> Nature Space. It is free and completely accessible with VoiceOver.
>> There are extra sounds you can buy, but it comes with 6, infinite
>> shoreline, which is ocean waves, Night at Lake Unknown, which has
>> sounds like you were by a lake at night with a variety of
>> 

RE: Airplay and the At bat app?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

How do you start Airplay? I don't have this app, but does it have a button 
inside the app or do you go via the control centre?
First thing I would do is close all apps and reboot the iPhone as well as the 
Apple TV.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jenifer Barr
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:08 AM
To: iPhone List 
Subject: Airplay and the At bat app?

Hi all.
I'm trying to listen to a baseball game on my apple TV using airplay between my 
phone and the apple tv. Airplay works with other apps but the at bat app. I've 
tried uninstalling and reinstalling the app. No go. Any other suggesttions to 
try? It's worked before. 
Thanks. 



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RE: which GPS app should i buy?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And currently (unless it ended already) Seeing Eye GPS is $100 off, so $199 
instead of $299 for the XT version which you buy only once. If you were able to 
combine this with some discounted iTunes Gift Cards you could get it for little 
more than double of what Nearby Explorer costs and I agree that the breadcrums 
feature should be very useful for many people who need to cross open spaces.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?

Another consideration is where in the world you are located.  You do not say 
and this is an important consideration for anyone asking for app 
recommendations. Nearby Explorer is only currently available in North America 
while the other two have maps for other parts of the world.  Also, you do not 
say if you need the app in a language other than English.  Nearby explorer 
supports only English while Blind Square supports more than 20 languages.  
English though is an international language spoken throughout the world by 
educated peple.

Kelly

On 6/18/17, Jim Noseworthy  wrote:
> Well,
>
> It depends what GPS functions you're looking for: orientational, 
> navigational, or both and what you're willing to spend.
>
> If you're wanting both orientational and navigational gps, your 
> choices are "Seeing Eye Gps", and "Nearby Explorer."
>
> In this writer's opinion, "Nearby Explorer is a much better option 
> than Seeing Eye GPS;
> 1:  It's much cheeper;
> 2: Updates to the program are much more frequent.
> 3: It is, in my opinion, a much more complete GPS system than 
> Seeing-Eye GPS.
>
> If, on the otherhand, you're only interested in orientational GPS, by 
> far, your best option is, again in my opinion, BlindSquare.  It's been 
> around now for some time and is a very mature product.  It also 
> supports the "What Three Words" service.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Chip Orange
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: which GPS app should i buy?
>
> I agree with Mike, although I don't have a lot of experience with 
> Seeing Eye; it's price alone of $300 is a great deal more than the $80 
> of Nearby Explorer.
>
> I believe the support for Seeing Eye may be better (in that you can 
> pick up a phone and call someone, or email their support department), 
> where-as Nearby Explorer's only support is a mailing list (nothing 
> else).  The lack of support is perhaps my only significant criticism 
> offered for Nearby Explorer.
>
> If money is very important, you can try the $20 Blind Square ... not 
> my favorite because the maps it uses for intersections are "free" ones 
> created by volunteers, and so often quite incorrect, but it's price is the 
> best.
>
> Hth,
>
> Chip
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?
>
> In my opinion, nearby explorer is by far the best one, it provides the 
> most automatic feedback, much better than the seeing eye app, I would 
> go with nearby explorer for sure.
> Original message:
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>> bo buy? nearby explorer, the seeing eye GPS, or seeing eye XT? please 
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Re: Speaking bar

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Hello, this is Speak Screen, go to settings > general > accessibility > speech 
and turn speak screen off.
> On 18 Jun 2017, at 17:46, Terry Nord  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> What is the speaking bar? what does it do? And how do I get rid of it?
> 
> Terry Nord
> Ask me about healthy chocolate! 
> Yes, there is such a thing and it's good to! 
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>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 11:24 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> Considering the Sonos speakers.
>> 
>> 
>> Are they easy to set-up with the iPhone?
>> 
>> 
>> Also can you play music from various places for example Pandora etc?
>> 
>> 
>> And finally how is the sound on these speakers?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for any answers.
>> 
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed
>> 
>> JAWS certified, 2017
>> 
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RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You are very wrong here, Ed, just because your wife doesn’t use it and maybe a 
few other people you know does not mean sighted people don’t use SIRI. I think 
you would need a somewhat larger statistical sample to draw an accurate 
conclusion as to how many sighted people use SIRI. If people would not use SIRI 
that would mean also Android users would not use Google Assistant or Windows 
users would not use Cortana. If this was so companies like Amazon or Google and 
now Microsoft would not spend so much time and effort in developing these 
digital assistants and in coming up with smartspeakers and what have you. How 
many millions of people in the US have bought the Echo or the Google Home, 
voice is the only way you can really interact with these things so obviously 
people must do it.
I just think Apple is typical Apple here, they do things in their own way and 
time and don’t really care what people say. Look how long it took them to 
announce a speaker, now they have and they are not trying to make it sound like 
it goes right up against the Echo or Google Home, but they position it as an 
audio file speaker which is also smart and once they do in fact make SIRI a lot 
smarter which they will in their own time it will become more popular.
Voice interface is definitely the up and coming thing and everybody does it and 
in time even people who currently may not use it will do so in a few years.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

Hi Sieghard,
I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri. I know I agree 
with you that I wish Apple would make it do more. But I am wondering in the 
scheme of things I wonder how many sighted people use Siri like the visually 
impaired do. I know my wife does not use Siri and I cannot think of one sighted 
person I know ever use it. So I am thinking Apple does not improve Siri just 
for the blind and they don’t get much input from the sighted users, so that is 
why I am thinking they don’t improve it. Just my thought on this.
Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as SIRI 
goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, it just 
seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but they of 
course know that is what everybody wants.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to lots 
of talent in this domain.
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:
Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
Google or other companies.
.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM

To: Viphone >
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive Siri 
voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the structure 
and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and meaningful 
intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has is that it 
was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, helpful, and 
useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” today would not 
last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a bright future with 
the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and time needs to be 
realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
> wrote:
No, just the public beta software program.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel 
> > wrote:
>
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or at 
> the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 

RE: Sonos speakers and iPhone.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Agree with Robin, accessibility of the iPhone app is fantastic and complete, 
sound quality is awesome and I have not yet seen another speaker which supports 
this many online sources both free and paid, I think Sonos supports over 30 
services including Tune In Radio, iHeart Radio, Slacker, SoundCloud, Apple 
Music, Google Play Music, Amazon Music, Spotify, Deezer, Pandora, Tidal, Sirus 
XM and dozens of others. 
You can even add multiple account for the same music service, e.g. if you have 
Apple Music and you want to add your own account and that of your wife or other 
family member then this is also possible.
Here is what they say directly on their website, keep in mind that I am in 
Canada and Pandora and probably other services are not available here which is 
why they don't show up in the list, despite that there are 39 services in this 
list and 5 more under Sonos Labs:

All the music on earth. And then some. 

Sonos was created by music lovers. For music lovers. Which means we want Sonos 
to play absolutely all the music you love - no matter where it comes from.
The Internet for streaming services, radio, and podcasts. Plus that personal 
collection of music downloads you’ve got stored on your computer, phone and 
tablet. 

Streaming services. 
Free. Premium. Curated. On-demand. The list of streaming music services on 
Sonos keeps growing. Some names you’ll recognize right away. Others may be less 
familiar, but still worth exploring. Remember, service availability varies by 
region so click for details to find out if it’s playing in your area.
Already subscribe to a service? Great. Just add it to Sonos using the app, sign 
in, and play it out loud — for the entire house to enjoy.

7digital 
Apple Music 
AccuRadio 
Anghami 
Audiobooks.com 
BandCamp 
CalmRadio 
Classical Archives 
Custom Channels
Dar FM 
daytrotter 
Deezer 
FIT Radio 
Focus at will 
Gaana
Google Play Music
Groove 
Hearts of Space 
hotelRadio 
Hype Machine 
iHeart Radio 
Last FM (scrobble only)
MixCloud 
Napster 
Nugs.net 
radionomy 
Radiopup 
RUSC 
Sirius XM 
Slacker Radio 
SoundCloud 
Soundmachine 
Spotify 
Spreaker
Stingray Music 
Stitcher 
Tidal 
tuneIn 
Tribe of Noise 

Sonos labs (upcoming services still in th testing phase):
NTS Radio 
Plex 
Radioplayer 
Sign in with RauteMusik.FM 
Wolfgang’s Music

Sonos plays everything – the most popular streaming services, on-demand 
services, internet radio, your favourite podcasts and audiobooks, your go-to 
collection of downloads – whatever you love to listen to.
 
Internet radio and podcasts. 
With Radio by TuneIn on Sonos, you’ll have instant access to over 100,000 local 
and international radio stations, shows, and podcasts streaming from every 
continent. All for free. 
Browse for stations or type in specific call letters or a podcast you love.

Your personal music library. 
Play music from every PC, Mac, and storage drive on your home network. Up to 16 
sources. And all those songs on your smartphone, too.
Choose “On this phone” in the Main Menu and listen to your heart’s content.

Audio formats supported 
Sonos supports a number of audio formats at various sample rates and bitrates 
including many of those used by Apple iTunes and Windows Media Player. The 
supported Lossless (uncompressed) formats are ALAC, FLAC, AIFF and WAV. The 
supported Lossy (compressed) formats are MP3, WMA, AAC and OGG.*

Operating systems (for stored files) 
Sonos can access files shared from a PC running Windows 7 and higher, Mac 
running OS X 10.9 and higher, or a Network Attached Storage (NAS) device that 
supports the Common Internet File System (CIFS).

Playlists supported 
Sonos supports the playlists that you've created in iTunes, Windows Media 
Player and services like Amazon Music, Apple Music, Deezer, Google Play Music, 
SoundCloud, Spotify, TIDAL, and more.

Album art supported 
JPG, BMP, GIF and PNG formats are supported up to a resolution of 1024 x 1024.

Internet radio supported 
Sonos supports MP3, AAC and WMA streaming audio formats for Internet radio 
stations.
* It is important to note that Digital Rights Management (DRM) protected 
content is licensed for use in the program in which it was purchased. If 
applicable, you can upgrade the content via the licensed program to remove this 
protection so it can be used on Sonos.
both 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sonos speakers and iPhone.

Hi,
Yes they are easy to set up with iPhone you almost can't do it wrong even 
without vision. sonos connects with many online services including Pandora I 
believe. And sound is awesome in my humble view.
I hope that helps.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Sadam Ahmed
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Sonos speakers and iPhone.

Hi all,


Considering the Sonos speakers.


Are they easy to 

RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Sieghard,

I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri. I know I agree 
with you that I wish Apple would make it do more. But I am wondering in the 
scheme of things I wonder how many sighted people use Siri like the visually 
impaired do. I know my wife does not use Siri and I cannot think of one sighted 
person I know ever use it. So I am thinking Apple does not improve Siri just 
for the blind and they don’t get much input from the sighted users, so that is 
why I am thinking they don’t improve it. Just my thought on this. 

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as SIRI 
goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, it just 
seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but they of 
course know that is what everybody wants.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to lots 
of talent in this domain.

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
Google or other companies.

.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM


To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive Siri 
voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the structure 
and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and meaningful 
intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has is that it 
was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, helpful, and 
useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” today would not 
last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a bright future with 
the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and time needs to be 
realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:

No, just the public beta software program.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or at 
> the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>
> And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
>> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ming.
>> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not one 
>> of them that's why I'm replying.
>> Have a great day.
>> Jen
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi all!
>>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
>>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>> Ming
>>>
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Kelly Pierce]

A very long time if immigration levels do not change substantially.
The driver was an Indian national and hungry for work but enjoys the
freedom and tolerance found in the United States.  The bigger issue is
will these ride share companies ever create a profitable business
model.

Kelly




On 6/18/17, Chip Orange  wrote:
> How long do you think Lyft drivers will continue to drive for that amount of
> money?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your
> location - CNET
>
> A recent update to the Uber app requires end users to give permission
> to Uber to track your location when the app is in the background.  I
> refused to give my permission and was able to schedule a ride. Before
> I confirmed it though, I switched to Lyft and requested a ride from
> them. I am disgusted by Uber’s business practices and am thankful to
> have a choice.  My ride was only $3.65 from downtown Chicago to my
> north side home.  Normally it is about $12.
>
> Kelly
>
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>
> On 6/9/17, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
>> CNET
>> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
>> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the
>> options
>> a developer provides.
>> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
>> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were
>> limited
>> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
>> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
>> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your
>> location.
>> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
>> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
>> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
>> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full
>> control
>> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will
>> only
>> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
>> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings >
>> Privacy
>>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
>> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
>> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
>> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the
>> beta
>> process progresses.
>> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
>> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>>
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Re: which GPS app should i buy?

[Kelly Pierce]

Another consideration is where in the world you are located.  You do
not say and this is an important consideration for anyone asking for
app recommendations. Nearby Explorer is only currently available in
North America while the other two have maps for other parts of the
world.  Also, you do not say if you need the app in a language other
than English.  Nearby explorer supports only English while Blind
Square supports more than 20 languages.  English though is an
international language spoken throughout the world by educated peple.

Kelly

On 6/18/17, Jim Noseworthy  wrote:
> Well,
>
> It depends what GPS functions you're looking for: orientational,
> navigational, or both and what you're willing to spend.
>
> If you're wanting both orientational and navigational gps, your choices are
> "Seeing Eye Gps", and "Nearby Explorer."
>
> In this writer's opinion, "Nearby Explorer is a much better option than
> Seeing Eye GPS;
> 1:  It's much cheeper;
> 2: Updates to the program are much more frequent.
> 3: It is, in my opinion, a much more complete GPS system than Seeing-Eye
> GPS.
>
> If, on the otherhand, you're only interested in orientational GPS, by far,
> your best option is, again in my opinion, BlindSquare.  It's been around now
> for some time and is a very mature product.  It also supports the "What
> Three Words" service.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Chip Orange
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: which GPS app should i buy?
>
> I agree with Mike, although I don't have a lot of experience with Seeing
> Eye; it's price alone of $300 is a great deal more than the $80 of Nearby
> Explorer.
>
> I believe the support for Seeing Eye may be better (in that you can pick up
> a phone and call someone, or email their support department), where-as
> Nearby Explorer's only support is a mailing list (nothing else).  The lack
> of support is perhaps my only significant criticism offered for Nearby
> Explorer.
>
> If money is very important, you can try the $20 Blind Square ... not my
> favorite because the maps it uses for intersections are "free" ones created
> by volunteers, and so often quite incorrect, but it's price is the best.
>
> Hth,
>
> Chip
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?
>
> In my opinion, nearby explorer is by far the best one, it provides the most
> automatic feedback, much better than the seeing eye app, I would go with
> nearby explorer for sure.
> Original message:
>> hello friends. I would like to buy a GPS but I'm not sure which one bo
>> buy? nearby explorer, the seeing eye GPS, or seeing eye XT? please
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RE: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Chip Orange]

How long do you think Lyft drivers will continue to drive for that amount of 
money?



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your 
location - CNET

A recent update to the Uber app requires end users to give permission
to Uber to track your location when the app is in the background.  I
refused to give my permission and was able to schedule a ride. Before
I confirmed it though, I switched to Lyft and requested a ride from
them. I am disgusted by Uber’s business practices and am thankful to
have a choice.  My ride was only $3.65 from downtown Chicago to my
north side home.  Normally it is about $12.

Kelly


Kelly




On 6/9/17, M. Taylor  wrote:
> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
> CNET
> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the options
> a developer provides.
> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your
> location.
> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > Privacy
>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the beta
> process progresses.
> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>
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RE: White Noise App

[Chip Orange]

Hi Mike,

 

Please allow me to also heartily recommend a set of special sleeping headphones 
(which I buy from Amazon for around $20) called Cozi Phones.  They are two soft 
foam speakers embedded between two sheets of elastic material which is shaped 
into a headband.  You can slide the two ear pieces up/down, forward and back, 
until they’re placed over your ears.  They are extremely comfortable, with a 
specially strengthened cord exitting through the rear over your neck.  They 
never come off of my ears during the night, no matter how much I toss and turn. 
 They are absolutely great, and I consider them to be my discovery of the year 
for myself.

 

As you say, good sleeping!

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 5:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: White Noise App

 

Happy sleeping Chip! I finally just now downloaded this app, wouldn’t you know 
it,; after another sleepless in Cape Coral night!

With the untimely death of my 16 gig 5S, my newly acquired 128 gig SE has more 
than enough room for me to finally add this what seems to be cool app!

 

 

Hopefully sleeping soon in Cape Coral!..Mike

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: White Noise App

 

Thanks for the recommendations.  I went searching before I found these, and I 
found a very accessible free app named: White Noise  and Deep Sleep Sounds for 
You and Baby”.  When you install it, it then shows its name as just “Deep Sleep 
Free”.

 

It has white, pink, and brown noise choices, as well as mechanical sounds such 
as a fan, and a selection of nature sounds as well.  I’m quite happy with it.

 

Chip

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 7:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: White Noise App

 

Or the White Noise app by T M Soft? They have lots of sounds already in the app 
and a place to download more for free. Lots of natural-sounding sounds. 

Sharonda

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On May 26, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

Have you tried Mynoise?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Chip Orange  
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 5:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: White Noise App

 

I really like Nature Space, but I too am looking for "simpler" sounds (such as 
a soft hum and/or a soft hiss, or the sound of an old fashoned box fan running).

 

Thanks,

 

Chip

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:22 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: White Noise App

 

OK, then why don't you list some of the sounds  you are looking for since this 
would allow those of us who use different apps to see if these sounds are there.

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelby Carlson

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:14 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: White Noise App

 

It doesn't have the sounds I was looking for.

 

On 5/23/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> It might help if you point out what you don't like about Nature Space.

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 

> Behalf Of Kelby Carlson

> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:29 AM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com

> Subject: Re: White Noise App

> 

> I don't really like that one. Are there others?

> 

> On 5/22/17, Richard Turner  wrote:

>> 

>> Nature Space. It is free and completely accessible with VoiceOver.

>> There are extra sounds you can buy, but it comes with 6, infinite 

>> shoreline, which is ocean waves, Night at Lake Unknown, which has 

>> sounds like you were by a lake at night with a variety of 

>> environmental sounds, etc.

>> The sound quality is excellent!

>> Richard

>> 

>> 

>> Noun: trumpery

>> 1. (informal) statements or beliefs that are untrue or make no sense 

>> 2. Ornamental objects of no great value This definition is from 

>> WordWeb

>> 

>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6?

>> 

>>> On May 22, 2017, at 7:54 AM, Kelby Carlson 

>>> wrote:

>>> 

>>> Does anyone know of any accessible white noise/sleep sounds apps? 

>>> I'm hoping for something with multiple effects. I've tried Relax 

>>> Melodies but it seems really inaccessible.

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Airplay and the At bat app?

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi all.
I'm trying to listen to a baseball game on my apple TV using airplay between my 
phone and the apple tv. Airplay works with other apps but the at bat app. I've 
tried uninstalling and reinstalling the app. No go. Any other suggesttions to 
try? It's worked before. 
Thanks. 



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RE: which GPS app should i buy?

[Jim Noseworthy]

Well,

It depends what GPS functions you're looking for: orientational, navigational, 
or both and what you're willing to spend.

If you're wanting both orientational and navigational gps, your choices are 
"Seeing Eye Gps", and "Nearby Explorer."

In this writer's opinion, "Nearby Explorer is a much better option than Seeing 
Eye GPS; 
1:  It's much cheeper;
2: Updates to the program are much more frequent.
3: It is, in my opinion, a much more complete GPS system than Seeing-Eye GPS.

If, on the otherhand, you're only interested in orientational GPS, by far, your 
best option is, again in my opinion, BlindSquare.  It's been around now for 
some time and is a very mature product.  It also supports the "What Three 
Words" service.

Hope this helps.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: which GPS app should i buy?

I agree with Mike, although I don't have a lot of experience with Seeing Eye; 
it's price alone of $300 is a great deal more than the $80 of Nearby Explorer.

I believe the support for Seeing Eye may be better (in that you can pick up a 
phone and call someone, or email their support department), where-as Nearby 
Explorer's only support is a mailing list (nothing else).  The lack of support 
is perhaps my only significant criticism offered for Nearby Explorer.

If money is very important, you can try the $20 Blind Square ... not my 
favorite because the maps it uses for intersections are "free" ones created by 
volunteers, and so often quite incorrect, but it's price is the best.

Hth,

Chip


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Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?

In my opinion, nearby explorer is by far the best one, it provides the most 
automatic feedback, much better than the seeing eye app, I would go with nearby 
explorer for sure.
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Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Harry Bell]

I suspect that Apple's very private Siri will improve a lot when they manage to 
put a lot of Siri's language recognition on a chip integrated into our iPhones. 
I do hear that work is underway on this. But tediously underperforming 
meanwhile!
Harry

> On 18 Jun 2017, at 18:51, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Some of the problems with Siri have to do with privacy, and apples insistence 
> on it, where as Google is quite the opposite. So there are some trade-offs 
> here. I do also wish that Siri would become better, but not at the expense of 
> my data going to any Tom Dick and Harry who wants to buy it from Google or 
> Google using it for their own purposes, which are all about advertising. We 
> need a happy medium here we're privacy is first, but robust AI is also 
> possible. I'm hoping that's what all these new hires will do for Apple
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
>> and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as 
>> SIRI goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, 
>> it just seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but 
>> they of course know that is what everybody wants.
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>>  
>> Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
>> artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to 
>> lots of talent in this domain.
>> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
>> from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
>> Google or other companies.
>> .
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM
>> 
>> To: Viphone 
>> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>>  
>> I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive 
>> Siri voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the 
>> structure and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and 
>> meaningful intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has 
>> is that it was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, 
>> helpful, and useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” 
>> today would not last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a 
>> bright future with the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and 
>> time needs to be realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.
>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> No, just the public beta software program.
>> > On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> >
>> > Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or 
>> > at the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> > Of christopher hallsworth
>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
>> > To: Viphone 
>> > Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>> >
>> > And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
>> >> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Ming.
>> >> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not 
>> >> one of them that's why I'm replying.
>> >> Have a great day.
>> >> Jen
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone 
>> >>>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> hi all!
>> >>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
>> >>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks!
>> >>> Ming
>> >>>
>> >>> msn/window live messenger
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Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Mary Otten]

Some of the problems with Siri have to do with privacy, and apples insistence 
on it, where as Google is quite the opposite. So there are some trade-offs 
here. I do also wish that Siri would become better, but not at the expense of 
my data going to any Tom Dick and Harry who wants to buy it from Google or 
Google using it for their own purposes, which are all about advertising. We 
need a happy medium here we're privacy is first, but robust AI is also 
possible. I'm hoping that's what all these new hires will do for Apple

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
> and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as 
> SIRI goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, 
> it just seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but 
> they of course know that is what everybody wants.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kevin Chao
> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
> artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to 
> lots of talent in this domain.
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
> from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
> Google or other companies.
> .
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kevin Chao
> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM
> 
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive 
> Siri voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the 
> structure and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and 
> meaningful intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has 
> is that it was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, 
> helpful, and useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” 
> today would not last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a 
> bright future with the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and 
> time needs to be realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> No, just the public beta software program.
> > On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> >
> > Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or 
> > at the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of christopher hallsworth
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
> > To: Viphone 
> > Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
> >
> > And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
> >> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Ming.
> >> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not 
> >> one of them that's why I'm replying.
> >> Have a great day.
> >> Jen
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> hi all!
> >>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
> >>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> thanks!
> >>> Ming
> >>>
> >>> msn/window live messenger
> >>> chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com
> >>> skype:
> >>> chungchiming9950
> >>>
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Re: which GPS app should i buy?

[Mary Otten]

Seeing Eye GPS does not have direct phone support. They do for their other 
products, but not for this one. On the other hand, right now, it is $200, not 
$300, and they have just introduced a breadcrumb feature, which should make it 
extremely useful for people who need to navigate in areas such as college 
campuses or other large open spaces where streets are nonexistent or can be 
misleading. So for that alone, I think it deserves a serious look. That and 
it's interface is less cluttered also, of course it requires that you have a 
good cell connection, because maps are all online, whereas nearby makes you 
download Maps which take up a lot of space. Maybe not a big deal, depending on 
the size of your iPhone and how much storage you have left. They both have 
their strong points.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Chip Orange  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Mike, although I don't have a lot of experience with Seeing Eye; 
> it's price alone of $300 is a great deal more than the $80 of Nearby Explorer.
> 
> I believe the support for Seeing Eye may be better (in that you can pick up a 
> phone and call someone, or email their support department), where-as Nearby 
> Explorer's only support is a mailing list (nothing else).  The lack of 
> support is perhaps my only significant criticism offered for Nearby Explorer.
> 
> If money is very important, you can try the $20 Blind Square ... not my 
> favorite because the maps it uses for intersections are "free" ones created 
> by volunteers, and so often quite incorrect, but it's price is the best.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?
> 
> In my opinion, nearby explorer is by far the best one, it provides the 
> most automatic feedback, much better than the seeing eye app, I would 
> go with nearby explorer for sure.
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RE: which GPS app should i buy?

[Chip Orange]

I agree with Mike, although I don't have a lot of experience with Seeing Eye; 
it's price alone of $300 is a great deal more than the $80 of Nearby Explorer.

I believe the support for Seeing Eye may be better (in that you can pick up a 
phone and call someone, or email their support department), where-as Nearby 
Explorer's only support is a mailing list (nothing else).  The lack of support 
is perhaps my only significant criticism offered for Nearby Explorer.

If money is very important, you can try the $20 Blind Square ... not my 
favorite because the maps it uses for intersections are "free" ones created by 
volunteers, and so often quite incorrect, but it's price is the best.

Hth,

Chip


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike Arrigo
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?

In my opinion, nearby explorer is by far the best one, it provides the 
most automatic feedback, much better than the seeing eye app, I would 
go with nearby explorer for sure.
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RE: Learning to code for IOS and MAC

[Chip Orange]

Check out books from BookShare; I believe you need a Mac in order to have the 
development environment which then allows you to use Swift to code for IOS.

Chip


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Any help is appreciated. 

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RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as SIRI 
goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, it just 
seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but they of 
course know that is what everybody wants.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to lots 
of talent in this domain.
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:
Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
Google or other companies.
.


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM

To: Viphone >
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive Siri 
voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the structure 
and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and meaningful 
intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has is that it 
was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, helpful, and 
useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” today would not 
last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a bright future with 
the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and time needs to be 
realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
> wrote:
No, just the public beta software program.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel 
> > wrote:
>
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or at 
> the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
>
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> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
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> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>
> And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
>> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ming.
>> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not one 
>> of them that's why I'm replying.
>> Have a great day.
>> Jen
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> hi all!
>>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
>>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks!
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Speaking bar

[Terry Nord]

Hi,
What is the speaking bar? what does it do? And how do I get rid of it?

Terry Nord
 Ask me about healthy chocolate! 
Yes, there is such a thing and it's good to! 
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> On Jun 18, 2017, at 11:24 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> 
> Considering the Sonos speakers.
> 
> 
> Are they easy to set-up with the iPhone?
> 
> 
> Also can you play music from various places for example Pandora etc?
> 
> 
> And finally how is the sound on these speakers?
> 
> 
> Thanks for any answers.
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Sonos speakers and iPhone.

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Yes they are easy to set up with iPhone you almost can't do it wrong even 
without vision. sonos connects with many online services including Pandora I 
believe. And sound is awesome in my humble view.

I hope that helps.
Robin


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Considering the Sonos speakers.


Are they easy to set-up with the iPhone?


Also can you play music from various places for example Pandora etc?


And finally how is the sound on these speakers?


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Sonos speakers and iPhone.

[Sadam Ahmed]

Hi all,


Considering the Sonos speakers.


Are they easy to set-up with the iPhone?


Also can you play music from various places for example Pandora etc?


And finally how is the sound on these speakers?


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Re: Amazon Prime Video is now offering audio description

[Carla Savage]

Hi All, 
Do you know whether this is available in the UK as well? 
Thanks, 
Carla. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 Jun 2017, at 7:31 pm, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh wow sounds good, will definitely check this out maybe as it's included 
> with a Prime membership.
>> On 9 Jun 2017, at 17:50, Carol Adams  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi, I can't find anything with audio description on it and I've tried movies 
>> and TV shows, Carol
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 9 Jun 2017, at 17:12, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This should be of interest to android or iOS users who like Amazon prime 
>>> video. I assume this will be accessible on any platform that has Amazon 
>>> prime available.
>>> Get out those fire TVs or fire TV sticks and check it out, you don't have 
>>> to be using an android or an iPhone.
>>> Amazon Prime Video is now offering audio description
>>> AppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products ...  /  
>>> Greg Wocher
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> I wanted to let everyone know that amazon prime video is now offering audio 
>>> description. I saw this come across on my twitter feed from ACB National. 
>>> Here is a link to the ACB's announcement:
>>> http://acb.org/amazon-announces-AD
>>> 
>>> I have tried it on one of the series mentioned in the list and it does 
>>> work. It looks like it works similar to NetFlix. Once you get a show 
>>> started, you need to find the autdio options and check english with audio 
>>> description. Everyone who has access to prime video go and have a look.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Greg Wocher
>>> 
>>> Forum: 
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Re: Navigating google sheets

[Brandon Olivares]

I've found that Google has great documentation, and usually just by googling 
the question, I can get to the proper documentation in a few seconds.

For instance, by googling how to insert links in Google Sheets, I found a 
document that said it's not possible on IOS, but you can do it on the computer.

Everything you mention is quite easy on the Mac. Actually the only one I've 
found to not be possible is to move rows or columns. But everything else is.
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Richard Petty  
> wrote:
> 
> Good. Where have you found guidance for performing tasks such as
> · going to a specific cell
> · inserting links
> · moving rows and columns
> scrolling cells, and
> more
>  
>  
> I would be happy to know either keyboard commands or gestures. Does Google 
> have directions for this, including keyboard commands? If they haven’t 
> documented this, has someone else?
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brandon Olivares
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 7:23 AM
> To: VIPhone
> Subject: Re: Navigating google sheets
>  
> Yeah I won't disagree its not perfect, but when I got my job a few months 
> ago, well I basically had to learn pretty quickly how to use Google Docs. I 
> had been asked to put together a worksheet with some information, and I 
> prefer to not give excuses if I can help it, so I learned how to use it.
>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 2:43 AM, natureloving...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> I agree with your, but as I'm a copywriter who works remotely, the team uses 
>> google docs and google sheets. Our work is aisigned on the spreadsheet, and 
>> we post our google docs links on the spreadsheet when we are done.
>> Steph
>> On 18/06/2017 2:01 pm, Kevin Chao > > wrote:
>> Besides from basic high-level overview, I’ve not found the G Suite apps to 
>> be efficient amd/or delightful for meaningful productivity. For example, 
>> it’s not possible to go to a specific cell, no keyboard shorcuts for 
>> inserting link, swipe-navigation doesn’t auto-scroll cells.
>> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 7:59 AM Brandon Olivares > > wrote:
>>> On the Mac, Google Drive and Google Docs are perfectly accessible using 
>>> Chrome with Chromevox. It's also very accessible on the iPhone, if a bit 
>>> slower to get things done in.
>>> 
>>> Brandon
>>> > On Jun 17, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Richard Petty >> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I'm not aware of a Mac or iPhone solution, although there is a PC-based 
>>> > set of tutorials from the American Foundation for the Blind for using 
>>> > Google docs and drive with NVDA and Firefox.
>>> >
>>> > I've read reviews that Google sheets is supposed to be accessible, but 
>>> > I've downloaded the app and tried to use it and find navigation to be 
>>> > eratic and difficult.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.afb.org/info/living-with-vision-loss/using-technology/assistive-technology-videos/using-google-docs-and-drive-with-nvda/1234
>>> >  
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> > Hope this helps.
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>>> > [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>>> > Behalf Of Shannon Dyer
>>> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 4:02 PM
>>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> > Subject: Re: Navigating google sheets
>>> >
>>> > Can you give me some tips for making Google Docs work well? It’s used 
>>> > pretty often by a website I work for, and I have tons of trouble with it. 
>>> > I’ve tried both on the mac and on my iPhone, and have very little luck.
>>> >
>>> > Shannon
>>> >> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:32 PM, natureloving...@gmail.com 
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Google docs is accessible. I use it deaily for my writing. However, I am 
>>> >> having major problems navigating google sheets.
>>> >> Steph
>>> >>
>>> >> On 16/06/2017 9:32 am, Shannon Dyer >> >> > wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I’d love this information as well. Google docs and sheets are the bane 
>>> >>> of my existence these days.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Shannon
>>>  On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:06 AM, natureloving...@gmail.com 
>>>   wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Hi all,
>>> 
>>>  I was wondering if anyone can give me some tips on navigating and 
>>>  using google sheets? How do I search for a row, and how do I add to 
>>>  the spreadsheet?
>>> 
>>>  Thanks for your help,
>>>  Steph
>>> 
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RE: Navigating google sheets

[Richard Petty]

Good. Where have you found guidance for performing tasks such as 

· going to a specific cell

· inserting links

· moving rows and columns

scrolling cells, and

more

 

 

I would be happy to know either keyboard commands or gestures. Does Google have 
directions for this, including keyboard commands? If they haven’t documented 
this, has someone else?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Brandon Olivares
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 7:23 AM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: Navigating google sheets

 

Yeah I won't disagree its not perfect, but when I got my job a few months ago, 
well I basically had to learn pretty quickly how to use Google Docs. I had been 
asked to put together a worksheet with some information, and I prefer to not 
give excuses if I can help it, so I learned how to use it.

On Jun 18, 2017, at 2:43 AM, natureloving...@gmail.com wrote:

 

I agree with your, but as I'm a copywriter who works remotely, the team uses 
google docs and google sheets. Our work is aisigned on the spreadsheet, and we 
post our google docs links on the spreadsheet when we are done.
Steph 

On 18/06/2017 2:01 pm, Kevin Chao  wrote:

Besides from basic high-level overview, I’ve not found the G Suite apps to be 
efficient amd/or delightful for meaningful productivity. For example, it’s not 
possible to go to a specific cell, no keyboard shorcuts for inserting link, 
swipe-navigation doesn’t auto-scroll cells. 

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 7:59 AM Brandon Olivares  
wrote:

On the Mac, Google Drive and Google Docs are perfectly accessible using Chrome 
with Chromevox. It's also very accessible on the iPhone, if a bit slower to get 
things done in.

Brandon
> On Jun 17, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Richard Petty  
> wrote:
>
> I'm not aware of a Mac or iPhone solution, although there is a PC-based set 
> of tutorials from the American Foundation for the Blind for using Google docs 
> and drive with NVDA and Firefox.
>
> I've read reviews that Google sheets is supposed to be accessible, but I've 
> downloaded the app and tried to use it and find navigation to be eratic and 
> difficult.
>
> http://www.afb.org/info/living-with-vision-loss/using-technology/assistive-technology-videos/using-google-docs-and-drive-with-nvda/1234
>
> Hope this helps.
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shannon Dyer
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 4:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Navigating google sheets
>
> Can you give me some tips for making Google Docs work well? It’s used pretty 
> often by a website I work for, and I have tons of trouble with it. I’ve tried 
> both on the mac and on my iPhone, and have very little luck.
>
> Shannon
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:32 PM, natureloving...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Google docs is accessible. I use it deaily for my writing. However, I am 
>> having major problems navigating google sheets.
>> Steph
>>
>> On 16/06/2017 9:32 am, Shannon Dyer  wrote:
>>>
>>> I’d love this information as well. Google docs and sheets are the bane of 
>>> my existence these days.
>>>
>>> Shannon
 On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:06 AM, natureloving...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I was wondering if anyone can give me some tips on navigating and using 
 google sheets? How do I search for a row, and how do I add to the 
 spreadsheet?

 Thanks for your help,
 Steph

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Re: Navigating google sheets

[Brandon Olivares]

Yeah I won't disagree its not perfect, but when I got my job a few months ago, 
well I basically had to learn pretty quickly how to use Google Docs. I had been 
asked to put together a worksheet with some information, and I prefer to not 
give excuses if I can help it, so I learned how to use it.
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 2:43 AM, natureloving...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I agree with your, but as I'm a copywriter who works remotely, the team uses 
> google docs and google sheets. Our work is aisigned on the spreadsheet, and 
> we post our google docs links on the spreadsheet when we are done.
> 
>  Steph
> 
> On 18/06/2017 2:01 pm, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> Besides from basic high-level overview, I’ve not found the G Suite apps to be 
> efficient amd/or delightful for meaningful productivity. For example, it’s 
> not possible to go to a specific cell, no keyboard shorcuts for inserting 
> link, swipe-navigation doesn’t auto-scroll cells. 
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 7:59 AM Brandon Olivares  > wrote:
> On the Mac, Google Drive and Google Docs are perfectly accessible using 
> Chrome with Chromevox. It's also very accessible on the iPhone, if a bit 
> slower to get things done in.
> 
> Brandon
> > On Jun 17, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Richard Petty  > > wrote:
> >
> > I'm not aware of a Mac or iPhone solution, although there is a PC-based set 
> > of tutorials from the American Foundation for the Blind for using Google 
> > docs and drive with NVDA and Firefox.
> >
> > I've read reviews that Google sheets is supposed to be accessible, but I've 
> > downloaded the app and tried to use it and find navigation to be eratic and 
> > difficult.
> >
> > http://www.afb.org/info/living-with-vision-loss/using-technology/assistive-technology-videos/using-google-docs-and-drive-with-nvda/1234
> >  
> > 
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> > [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
> > Behalf Of Shannon Dyer
> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 4:02 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> > Subject: Re: Navigating google sheets
> >
> > Can you give me some tips for making Google Docs work well? It’s used 
> > pretty often by a website I work for, and I have tons of trouble with it. 
> > I’ve tried both on the mac and on my iPhone, and have very little luck.
> >
> > Shannon
> >> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:32 PM, natureloving...@gmail.com 
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Google docs is accessible. I use it deaily for my writing. However, I am 
> >> having major problems navigating google sheets.
> >> Steph
> >>
> >> On 16/06/2017 9:32 am, Shannon Dyer  >> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I’d love this information as well. Google docs and sheets are the bane of 
> >>> my existence these days.
> >>>
> >>> Shannon
>  On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:06 AM, natureloving...@gmail.com 
>   wrote:
> 
>  Hi all,
> 
>  I was wondering if anyone can give me some tips on navigating and using 
>  google sheets? How do I search for a row, and how do I add to the 
>  spreadsheet?
> 
>  Thanks for your help,
>  Steph
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Re: Navigating google sheets

[naturelovingmom]

I agree with your, but as I'm a copywriter who works remotely, the team uses google docs and google sheets. Our work is aisigned on the spreadsheet, and we post our google docs links on the spreadsheet when we are done.
Steph 
On 18/06/2017 2:01 pm, Kevin Chao  wrote:Besides from basic high-level overview, I’ve not found the G Suite apps to be efficient amd/or delightful for meaningful productivity. For example, it’s not possible to go to a specific cell, no keyboard shorcuts for inserting link, swipe-navigation doesn’t auto-scroll cells. On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 7:59 AM Brandon Olivares  wrote:On the Mac, Google Drive and Google Docs are perfectly accessible using Chrome with Chromevox. It's also very accessible on the iPhone, if a bit slower to get things done in.

Brandon
> On Jun 17, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Richard Petty  wrote:
>
> I'm not aware of a Mac or iPhone solution, although there is a PC-based set of tutorials from the American Foundation for the Blind for using Google docs and drive with NVDA and Firefox.
>
> I've read reviews that Google sheets is supposed to be accessible, but I've downloaded the app and tried to use it and find navigation to be eratic and difficult.
>
> http://www.afb.org/info/living-with-vision-loss/using-technology/assistive-technology-videos/using-google-docs-and-drive-with-nvda/1234
>
> Hope this helps.
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 4:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Navigating google sheets
>
> Can you give me some tips for making Google Docs work well? It’s used pretty often by a website I work for, and I have tons of trouble with it. I’ve tried both on the mac and on my iPhone, and have very little luck.
>
> Shannon
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:32 PM, natureloving...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Google docs is accessible. I use it deaily for my writing. However, I am having major problems navigating google sheets.
>> Steph
>>
>> On 16/06/2017 9:32 am, Shannon Dyer  wrote:
>>>
>>> I’d love this information as well. Google docs and sheets are the bane of my existence these days.
>>>
>>> Shannon
 On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:06 AM, natureloving...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I was wondering if anyone can give me some tips on navigating and using google sheets? How do I search for a row, and how do I add to the spreadsheet?

 Thanks for your help,
 Steph

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