input in web form fields problem?
Hi all I wonder if any of you have been able to use braille input in web pages. I tried a search field but did not get any results. By the way, I am writing this using the built-in braille keyboard. Thanks for any feedback Best Ioana , ., Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s
hi friends please tell me that will it be fine on an I phone 4s 8 gb or will it only be fine on an I phone 4s with 16 gb! awating for your earliest reply your suggestion wil be the turning point in updating or not!fingers crossed! On 9/18/14, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have upgraded, there is no VriceOver difference here. If anything, its a little more responsive. I have seen it crash once though. Cheers, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 18 Sep 2014, at 11:02 am, James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, So if you google ios8 iphone 4s, there are many articles warning people with iPhone 4s for upgrading to IOS8 for performance issues. Has anyone with iPhone 4s upgraded to IOS8? How's responsiveness of Voiceover? Any sluggishness? Thanks, -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s
It depends. iOS8 requires 5 GB to be installed. If you have music and other stuff that take up the majority of your phone space, you'll need to delete some of it before you can update. Shawn Sent From My White Macbook - Original Message - From: ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:47 AM Subject: Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s hi friends please tell me that will it be fine on an I phone 4s 8 gb or will it only be fine on an I phone 4s with 16 gb! awating for your earliest reply your suggestion wil be the turning point in updating or not!fingers crossed! On 9/18/14, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have upgraded, there is no VriceOver difference here. If anything, its a little more responsive. I have seen it crash once though. Cheers, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 18 Sep 2014, at 11:02 am, James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, So if you google ios8 iphone 4s, there are many articles warning people with iPhone 4s for upgrading to IOS8 for performance issues. Has anyone with iPhone 4s upgraded to IOS8? How's responsiveness of Voiceover? Any sluggishness? Thanks, -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s
The uncompressed files allegedly take up almost 4.75 gig of space. That is what Apple told me when I checked to see if the update had been made available yet at my second break at work yesterday afternoon. So, on an 8 gig phone, you wouldn't have space for much of anything else. I don't have enough space on my phone for it, without deleting stuff, even if I wanted to upgrade right now. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:47 AM Subject: Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s hi friends please tell me that will it be fine on an I phone 4s 8 gb or will it only be fine on an I phone 4s with 16 gb! awating for your earliest reply your suggestion wil be the turning point in updating or not!fingers crossed! On 9/18/14, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have upgraded, there is no VriceOver difference here. If anything, its a little more responsive. I have seen it crash once though. Cheers, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 18 Sep 2014, at 11:02 am, James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, So if you google ios8 iphone 4s, there are many articles warning people with iPhone 4s for upgrading to IOS8 for performance issues. Has anyone with iPhone 4s upgraded to IOS8? How's responsiveness of Voiceover? Any sluggishness? Thanks, -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s
Hi, I have a 4s and i have upgraded. I am not enjoying at all! Voice over is giving me a lot of trouble! All my apps r crashing! Vo is also also stops talking and gos all blank! If i were u, i wouldn't update. Its for u to decide! All the best! Regards, Nishi. Sent from my iPhone On 18-Sep-2014, at 12:17 pm, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: hi friends please tell me that will it be fine on an I phone 4s 8 gb or will it only be fine on an I phone 4s with 16 gb! awating for your earliest reply your suggestion wil be the turning point in updating or not!fingers crossed! On 9/18/14, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have upgraded, there is no VriceOver difference here. If anything, its a little more responsive. I have seen it crash once though. Cheers, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 18 Sep 2014, at 11:02 am, James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, So if you google ios8 iphone 4s, there are many articles warning people with iPhone 4s for upgrading to IOS8 for performance issues. Has anyone with iPhone 4s upgraded to IOS8? How's responsiveness of Voiceover? Any sluggishness? Thanks, -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Where do I find alex in the settings
Unfortunately you're S.O.L. Alex won't work on our old 32Bit relics of phones. It sucks, I wish we could get the same feature too that 5S users have. I felt this way when I had the iPhone 4 and Siri was only available for 4S and above. Now I wish we could use Alex on the 4S, 5 and 5C. Shawn Sent From My White Macbook - Original Message - From: Jen . To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:30 PM Subject: Re: Where do I find alex in the settings I am using a 5c On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Jenny Wood kc5...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jen, What type of iDevice are you using? Jenny On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:34 PM, Jen Colley jencol...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I am trying to find the voice Alex in ios 8.0 but can’t so can anyone tell me where I find him. Thanks. Jen -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s
Check how much spare space you have on an 8Gb device, the download is 1.6Gb or so alone, and will need space to manouvre when installing. Settings/general/about or settings/general/useage Rh. - Original Message - From: ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:47 AM Subject: Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s hi friends please tell me that will it be fine on an I phone 4s 8 gb or will it only be fine on an I phone 4s with 16 gb! awating for your earliest reply your suggestion wil be the turning point in updating or not!fingers crossed! On 9/18/14, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have upgraded, there is no VriceOver difference here. If anything, its a little more responsive. I have seen it crash once though. Cheers, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 18 Sep 2014, at 11:02 am, James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, So if you google ios8 iphone 4s, there are many articles warning people with iPhone 4s for upgrading to IOS8 for performance issues. Has anyone with iPhone 4s upgraded to IOS8? How's responsiveness of Voiceover? Any sluggishness? Thanks, -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Should iOS 8.0 take *this* long to download???
I started mine in the UK around 7pm or so, finished around 3am, may have been a little sooner, but I was asleep at the time. It now says, downloaded, install now? I'll leave it like that until i have time to spare to tend to it. you have to attend to it when it is installing. Like you said, the world and their dog were downloading last night, so yes, SlOOooOOw! robH. - Original Message - From: Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:28 AM Subject: Should iOS 8.0 take *this* long to download??? OK, I realize *everyone* is probably downloading now, but I have not seen any times longer than six hours with a slow connection for downloading iOS 8. Both my husband and I are getting 13 hours as an estimate, one hour after seeing 8 hours. Our WiFi connection is fairly good most of the time. Should we cancel and restart, or just leave it? Christine -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
KNFB Reader, First Impressions
I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: What is iPhone tips
We need to set up a folder or two called Junk and Junk++ to put some of the redundent apps in, space screen space. I oculd iwpe out a good half of those on screen one, and drag out a couple from Utilities. Rh. Ps: anybody put a folder in the Doc, that could be useful. - Original Message - From: Brett brettst...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:28 AM Subject: Re: What is iPhone tips And unfortunatelyits another one you can't delete. Cheers, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 18 Sep 2014, at 12:20 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: It's an app to show you tips. I found it easiest to hit the table of contents button and go from there, plus it'll send you a new tip every week if you allow push notifications. On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:19 PM, Jen Colley jencol...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I’m wondering what iPhone tips is? I went into the app and all it says is get help with your iPhone every week but that’s it. Jen -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Wishing For MBraille As A Third Party Keyboard In iOS 8
Flick left. The opposite to space. - Original Message - From: Brett brettst...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:25 AM Subject: RE: Wishing For MBraille As A Third Party Keyboard In iOS 8 Hi, Does anyone know how to delete the last character or the last word typed when using the iOS8 built-in braille keyboard? Thanks in advance, Brett. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Wishing For MBraille As A Third Party Keyboard In iOS 8 Hi Ioana, I began to read iOS Without the Eye and the one thing that was mentioned by Jonathan Mosen is that the braille keyboard of dots 1-4 and 3-6 can't be switched. So, I'm hoping that Harri will think about making the necessary adjustments to add MBraille as a third party keyboard. When I first began using MBraille, I had the hardest time using it because I needed to swap out the cell sides for dots 1-2-3 with dots 4-5-6. I know that I wasn't the only one that had this problem. I use MBraille constantly on my iPhone 4 and will continue to use it when I get my new phone and upgrade to iOS 8. The other feature that I didn't see mentioned in the book was the ability to lock the braille keyboard in either table or away mode. The only option was automatic, which will definitely drive me crazy. HTH. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Wishing For MBraille As A Third Party Keyboard In iOS 8
2finger flick right for new line. - Original Message - From: Brett brettst...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:48 AM Subject: Re: Wishing For MBraille As A Third Party Keyboard In iOS 8 Hi, I have been playing with it and can't find a way to delete words either. I have found a one finger flick down offers suggestions to the last word you typed. However, I cannot find a way to enter a new line. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 18 Sep 2014, at 9:47 am, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The only thing I read on the Applevis website is that you can only delete one character at a time with a one finger swipe from right to left. I didn't read any info about deleting words. HTH. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know how to delete the last character or the last word typed when using the iOS8 built-in braille keyboard? Thanks in advance, Brett. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Wishing For MBraille As A Third Party Keyboard In iOS 8 Hi Ioana, I began to read iOS Without the Eye and the one thing that was mentioned by Jonathan Mosen is that the braille keyboard of dots 1-4 and 3-6 can't be switched. So, I'm hoping that Harri will think about making the necessary adjustments to add MBraille as a third party keyboard. When I first began using MBraille, I had the hardest time using it because I needed to swap out the cell sides for dots 1-2-3 with dots 4-5-6. I know that I wasn't the only one that had this problem. I use MBraille constantly on my iPhone 4 and will continue to use it when I get my new phone and upgrade to iOS 8. The other feature that I didn't see mentioned in the book was the ability to lock the braille keyboard in either table or away mode. The only option was automatic, which will definitely drive me crazy. HTH. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of
Re: touch typing with ios8
Direct typing is intriguing to me, but I've experienced one major setbck. If I have my iPod set to direct typing, it defaults to standard typing for entering the passcode. I definitely would prefer touch typing or direct typing for this. I don't care for standard typing. So I've switched back to touch typing but will keep experimenting with the rotor. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: In my response to someone, I must have been thinking of something else. What a bummer!! --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Cheryl Homiak To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:02PM Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described in iOS8 without the eye and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish this I think. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Ray T. Mahorney To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:14 PM Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8 how does direct typing differ from touch typing? Ray T. Mahorney WA4WGA From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Wood Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:37 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 Hi Jonathan, My husband and I were discussing this topic at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don’t even look at their keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn’t watching what she is typing, and the “clicking” sound that accompanies each keystroke simply can’t keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself, I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been “touch typing” now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an overwhelming desire to “be” like the sighted, but because I honestly believe I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone, which doesn’t have nearly as much space in which to position either or both hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two fingers at a time. It’s just like anything else, it comes with a learning curve, and as always, it’s not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can’t get used to scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me and braille input, I’ll stick to the braille display. Jenny On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Jenny, I agree with you.
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it successfully? On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Will this work with the iphone 4s? Steph - Original Message - From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it successfully? On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
iOS8: Enter Passcode with Braille Screen Input?
Hi, all, Is this doable? I haven't made it work. No characters are entered. Thanks, Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: touch typing with ios8
Hi, I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place, but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others. /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 01:47 skrev Jenny Wood kc5...@gmail.com: Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-) Jenny On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger. From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfRobert Doc Wright Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 I'm curious about direct touch typing. - Original Message - From: Jennie Facer mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:31 PM Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 What is the interactive notifications all about? Thank you so much! Jen TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU ARE THE WORLD! On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor. Chuck On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote: Hey guys, I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where it might be hiding? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched athttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email toviph...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched athttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email toviph...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why? then where does the learning start? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate,
Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s
I have around 3.8 gb left on my phone and when I am checking software update it is saying that you need atleast 4.6 gb to install and one more question that is it the extracting space while the installing process is going or or will it be permanent after ios 8 gets installed. I means to say that if I update to ios 8, will I be left with only more then one gb on my device to install apps and songs or this 4 gb space is temporary. Please answer asap. On 9/18/14, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: Check how much spare space you have on an 8Gb device, the download is 1.6Gb or so alone, and will need space to manouvre when installing. Settings/general/about or settings/general/useage Rh. - Original Message - From: ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:47 AM Subject: Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s hi friends please tell me that will it be fine on an I phone 4s 8 gb or will it only be fine on an I phone 4s with 16 gb! awating for your earliest reply your suggestion wil be the turning point in updating or not!fingers crossed! On 9/18/14, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have upgraded, there is no VriceOver difference here. If anything, its a little more responsive. I have seen it crash once though. Cheers, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 18 Sep 2014, at 11:02 am, James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, So if you google ios8 iphone 4s, there are many articles warning people with iPhone 4s for upgrading to IOS8 for performance issues. Has anyone with iPhone 4s upgraded to IOS8? How's responsiveness of Voiceover? Any sluggishness? Thanks, -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to
RE: iOS8: Enter Passcode with Braille Screen Input?
Hello, I found that my typing was re-set to standard when I upgraded, although I had touch typing enabled prior to the upgrade. Check that setting if you haven’t already. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:23 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iOS8: Enter Passcode with Braille Screen Input? Hi, all, Is this doable? I haven't made it work. No characters are entered. Thanks, Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
No. On 18 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Stephanie natureloving...@gmail.com wrote: Will this work with the iphone 4s? Steph - Original Message - From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it successfully? On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8
I don't understand why people seem to be against using apps and products that are blind specific. It seems like people avoid them like the plague, and, in a lot of instances, you're not getting full advantage of your device, such as an iPhone. Some mainstream apps just don't work as well for a blind user. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Krister Ekstrom To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:26 AM Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 Hi, I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place, but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others. /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 01:47 skrev Jenny Wood kc5...@gmail.com: Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-) Jenny On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger. From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfRobert Doc Wright Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 I'm curious about direct touch typing. - Original Message - From: Jennie Facer To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:31 PM Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 What is the interactive notifications all about? Thank you so much! Jen TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU ARE THE WORLD! On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor. Chuck On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote: Hey guys, I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where it might be hiding? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched athttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email toviph...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched athttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email toviph...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout. If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why? then where does the learning start? -- The following
Re: Voice quality of Siri and iOS 8
On my iPhone 5, I use the male voice with no choppiness whether Voice-Over is on or off. If you have Voice-Over on, turn it off and see if the choppiness problem is solved. Just a thought. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David Cleveland davidtclevel...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:12 PM Subject: Voice quality of Siri and iOS 8 Has anyone noticed a decreased quality in the Siri voice in iOS eight? It seems much more choppy and not of us I am quality as the voiceover voice. I tried switching from male to female voice but that did not change anything. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: bluetooth keyboard and IOS 8
The keys on the very bottom row from left to right fn control option command space bar command To Frank: You hear it say heading because it is only recognizing that you pressed the h which looks for headings on web pages. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:35 PM Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard and IOS 8 I very recently got an Apple Bluetooth keyboard, so am not used to the layout. Which is the V-O key? Unfortunately, I left it at a neighbor's house before getting the upgrade, so will have to retrieve it tomorrow. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Frank Ventura frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: RE: bluetooth keyboard and IOS 8 Has anyone figured out how to activate the home button via the keyboard in iOS 8. Previously you could do VO H and it would work but now it just says something about a heading? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Deb Lewis Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:48 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard and IOS 8 Use Quick Nav to get most of the voiceover commands. You'll have to turn quick nav off to type. Pay attention because voiceover may restart occasionally in all this. Big nuisance but you might be able to work around it in this way. On 9/17/14, Ray T. Mahorney mahorney@googlemail.com wrote: well folks I made the mistake of upgrading and with the amazon basics keyboard the vo commands are not functioning. Ray T. Mahorney WA4WGA -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 22:40 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: bluetooth keyboard and IOS 8 Robert, Fairly wide spread and apparently inconsistent bluetooth keyboard problems have been one of the issues many of the bug reports have been focused on. I posted several messages which theoretically were in violation of the NDA I agreed to when I signed up for my developer account and pointed out some of the bugs. I along with several others repeatedly warned people not to upgrade right away and to be fully informed about the bugs. Now that you have upgraded you will have to live with it until Apple fixes it. I know others who say Vo bluetooth commands don't work for them. I have an iPhone 5S and a Logitech K811 bluetooth keyboard and Vo commands work for me just fine. My only issue seems to be that I have to turn quick nav off in order to type anything in any edit field, apart from that it's working OK. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: bluetooth keyboard and IOS 8 Ever since upgrading I can no longer use the voiceover keyboard commands. the only ones that work are the arrow keys and the rotor. I even tried forgetting the device, shutting down the phone, turning it on and pairing the keyboard again the only keys that seem to work are the arrow keys, escape and caps lock. *** If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why? then where does the learning start? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group
Deleting episodes from downcast?
Sent from my iPhone How do I do this? Using a Iphone 4s with ios 7.12. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Hi. Do I have to have iOS 8 installed? Or can I use 7.12? Jenifer Barr Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: No. On 18 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Stephanie natureloving...@gmail.com wrote: Will this work with the iphone 4s? Steph - Original Message - From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it successfully? On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
RE: IOS 8 Released
Can we please get back to reporting about the bugs, in stead of flaming one another? I am clicking on these emails to read about possible bugs, and all I am reading is how this person agrees with the new release, or this one doesn't. This one says it is good they released and another says not. Please, with the huge traffic coming in, can we please get back on topic? Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:33 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released Of course they got the bug reports and probably fixed what they could because there had to be lots more. So, you will say, why didn't they fix them all? Because they had other priorities like paying some attention to their shareholders who think in dollars and don't give a hoot about our very small group. Now, that's why! So, let's get positive and report these bugs to Apple so they can fix them as soon as possible. Now that they've met their target release date, they might just have a little more time for us. Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released Didn't they (being Apple) receive these Bug Reports from the members of the Blind and/or LowVision Community, who participated as Beta Testers for Apple's iOS8??? Did these people neglect to Report the presence of these Bugs within iOS8? If not, were they submitted in a timely manner to be addressed prior to iOS8's Official release? Last Year, it was access to Apple's iOS App Store, but members of The Community spoke up prior to its release, and were scrutinized for doing so, but Apple appeared to resolve the issue prior to iOS7's Official Release. At 12:47 PM 9/17/2014, you wrote: How about marking the microwave with Dymo tape labels? At least you can then press the correct numbers from 1 through 0. Mark the start button, too. You'll have greatly decreased unnecessary guesswork. As for the accessibility of I O S 8, just as with the previous major upgrade, I'm thinking that Apple, given time and necessary reports from blind users, will fix bugs. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released Wow, what an interesting comparison. In reality, such devices have been released. The first several devices were not at all accessible to the blind. Therefore, your argument does not hold up to what actually happens. The fact is, we are a very tiny group of people. At work, we have a water filtration system which has multiple settings. the system announces which type of water is coming out when it is started. It does not announce the setting when being set. We have a few pieces of tape on the face of the machine so I can find the start button. My microwave oven has no announcements whatsoever. We marked the touch panel with dots on the buttons, but I have no way of knowing for certain what I have pressed until it is finished. The same is true with our washing machine and dryer. It is unfair to those of us who are blind, but we are not a viable market for any mainstream product. Therefore, any bugs which effect VoiceOver only are not major or showstopers for over 99% of Apple's market And yet, Apple spends $35 per every iPhone sold for accessibility. This is what was stated in April at a shareholder meeting by Tim Cook. This is not an insignificant amount of money. Now that the beta cycle is complete, send in those bug reports. The minor VO only bugs can now be worked on more by Apple. Oh, and as to the question about why doesn't Apple wait until all minor bugs are fixed? Well, it is impossible to fix all bugs, so Apple would fall behind as a company if they stop innovating in today's world. The majority of those who buy products tend to purchase those products with the most innovative useful features. For example, we just purchased a robotic vacuum. We found a model which the base/recharging station empties the dirt from the robot cleaner. This way, we only need to empty the dust from the bin in the base station once a month or so. Much better than emptying the robot's little dust cup after every use. Oh, and the robot needs to be programmed by the sighted person. It does not have a blind-accessible interface. Fortunately, the robotic lawnmower we are planning to purchase next year has an iPhone app that appears to be accessible. On 18/09/2014, at 6:35 am, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Sorry if you get this twice. My email provider has a few bugs today too. Smile. I did not say it had to be
Re: Deleting episodes from downcast?
Hi, what I do is, open the subscribed podcast and flip to action within action, it will ask to delete the episodes. Hope this helps you. Andy and Shubert. -Original Message- From: david gross Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:23 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Deleting episodes from downcast? Sent from my iPhone How do I do this? Using a Iphone 4s with ios 7.12. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
According to the App Store, it's compatible with iOS 7 as well. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/09/2014, at 9:36 pm, Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Do I have to have iOS 8 installed? Or can I use 7.12? Jenifer Barr Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: No. On 18 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Stephanie natureloving...@gmail.com wrote: Will this work with the iphone 4s? Steph - Original Message - From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it successfully? On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Re: Wishing For MBraille As A Third Party Keyboard In iOS 8
Hi, Wow! it does too! Fantastic! Many thanks for sharing this. Cheers, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 18 Sep 2014, at 6:08 pm, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: 2finger flick right for new line. - Original Message - From: Brett brettst...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:48 AM Subject: Re: Wishing For MBraille As A Third Party Keyboard In iOS 8 Hi, I have been playing with it and can't find a way to delete words either. I have found a one finger flick down offers suggestions to the last word you typed. However, I cannot find a way to enter a new line. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 18 Sep 2014, at 9:47 am, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The only thing I read on the Applevis website is that you can only delete one character at a time with a one finger swipe from right to left. I didn't read any info about deleting words. HTH. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know how to delete the last character or the last word typed when using the iOS8 built-in braille keyboard? Thanks in advance, Brett. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Wishing For MBraille As A Third Party Keyboard In iOS 8 Hi Ioana, I began to read iOS Without the Eye and the one thing that was mentioned by Jonathan Mosen is that the braille keyboard of dots 1-4 and 3-6 can't be switched. So, I'm hoping that Harri will think about making the necessary adjustments to add MBraille as a third party keyboard. When I first began using MBraille, I had the hardest time using it because I needed to swap out the cell sides for dots 1-2-3 with dots 4-5-6. I know that I wasn't the only one that had this problem. I use MBraille constantly on my iPhone 4 and will continue to use it when I get my new phone and upgrade to iOS 8. The other feature that I didn't see mentioned in the book was the ability to lock the braille keyboard in either table or away mode. The only option was automatic, which will definitely drive me crazy. HTH. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit
Re: IOS 8 Released
There has been some constructive criticism, and some explanations of why business practices are followed in regards to accessibility not being on an even keel with what sighted people get in a new release, but I haven't seen what I think of as flaming. As for the bug reporting, some people are having problems, others aren't. Tips on how to get around difficulties or bugs are helpful. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Tess tess...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:38 AM Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released Can we please get back to reporting about the bugs, in stead of flaming one another? I am clicking on these emails to read about possible bugs, and all I am reading is how this person agrees with the new release, or this one doesn't. This one says it is good they released and another says not. Please, with the huge traffic coming in, can we please get back on topic? Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:33 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released Of course they got the bug reports and probably fixed what they could because there had to be lots more. So, you will say, why didn't they fix them all? Because they had other priorities like paying some attention to their shareholders who think in dollars and don't give a hoot about our very small group. Now, that's why! So, let's get positive and report these bugs to Apple so they can fix them as soon as possible. Now that they've met their target release date, they might just have a little more time for us. Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released Didn't they (being Apple) receive these Bug Reports from the members of the Blind and/or LowVision Community, who participated as Beta Testers for Apple's iOS8??? Did these people neglect to Report the presence of these Bugs within iOS8? If not, were they submitted in a timely manner to be addressed prior to iOS8's Official release? Last Year, it was access to Apple's iOS App Store, but members of The Community spoke up prior to its release, and were scrutinized for doing so, but Apple appeared to resolve the issue prior to iOS7's Official Release. At 12:47 PM 9/17/2014, you wrote: How about marking the microwave with Dymo tape labels? At least you can then press the correct numbers from 1 through 0. Mark the start button, too. You'll have greatly decreased unnecessary guesswork. As for the accessibility of I O S 8, just as with the previous major upgrade, I'm thinking that Apple, given time and necessary reports from blind users, will fix bugs. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released Wow, what an interesting comparison. In reality, such devices have been released. The first several devices were not at all accessible to the blind. Therefore, your argument does not hold up to what actually happens. The fact is, we are a very tiny group of people. At work, we have a water filtration system which has multiple settings. the system announces which type of water is coming out when it is started. It does not announce the setting when being set. We have a few pieces of tape on the face of the machine so I can find the start button. My microwave oven has no announcements whatsoever. We marked the touch panel with dots on the buttons, but I have no way of knowing for certain what I have pressed until it is finished. The same is true with our washing machine and dryer. It is unfair to those of us who are blind, but we are not a viable market for any mainstream product. Therefore, any bugs which effect VoiceOver only are not major or showstopers for over 99% of Apple's market And yet, Apple spends $35 per every iPhone sold for accessibility. This is what was stated in April at a shareholder meeting by Tim Cook. This is not an insignificant amount of money. Now that the beta cycle is complete, send in those bug reports. The minor VO only bugs can now be worked on more by Apple. Oh, and as to the question about why doesn't Apple wait until all minor bugs are fixed? Well, it is impossible to fix all bugs, so Apple would fall behind as a company if they stop innovating in today's world. The majority of those who buy products tend to purchase those products with the most innovative useful features. For example, we just purchased a robotic vacuum. We found a model which the base/recharging
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Jonathan, thanks for your review. I was going to wait to review some podcasts, but I made the purchase based on your recommendation. I know, you didn't make a specific recommendation, but your comments were Goodnuf for me. I'm currently charging my phone it will be trying the app later. Thanks again. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: According to the App Store, it's compatible with iOS 7 as well. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/09/2014, at 9:36 pm, Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Do I have to have iOS 8 installed? Or can I use 7.12? Jenifer Barr Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: No. On 18 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Stephanie natureloving...@gmail.com wrote: Will this work with the iphone 4s? Steph - Original Message - From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it successfully? On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated
RE: IOS 8 Released
What's the Difference? As I stated in an earlier EMAIL, Didn't members, who were Beta-Testers within the Blind and/or LowVision Community report these Bugs during the iOS8 Beta Testing Period? If they did, and we refuse to UpDate until the BUGS are resolved? Wouldn't it be the same people, who were primarily reporting the presence of these BUGS prior to iOS8's Official Release? If only a Fraction, and I mean a SMALL Fraction report these BUGS, they aren't as likely to be resolved as quickly as opposed to numerous members within the Blind and/or LowVision Community reporting the presence of these BUGS. The Question to ponder is whether or not to UpDate given the presence of these iOS8 Bugs I'll most likely UpDate on My Apple iPhone 4S prior to any of these Bugs being resolved Can't We as a Community give Apple some constructive Criticism, why must we always praise Apple for being the 1ST to introduce accessibility in its mainstream products This reminds me of a song, whathas Apple done for us, Lately At 09:32 PM 9/17/2014, you wrote: Of course they got the bug reports and probably fixed what they could because there had to be lots more. So, you will say, why didn't they fix them all? Because they had other priorities like paying some attention to their shareholders who think in dollars and don't give a hoot about our very small group. Now, that's why! So, let's get positive and report these bugs to Apple so they can fix them as soon as possible. Now that they've met their target release date, they might just have a little more time for us. Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released Didn't they (being Apple) receive these Bug Reports from the members of the Blind and/or LowVision Community, who participated as Beta Testers for Apple's iOS8??? Did these people neglect to Report the presence of these Bugs within iOS8? If not, were they submitted in a timely manner to be addressed prior to iOS8's Official release? Last Year, it was access to Apple's iOS App Store, but members of The Community spoke up prior to its release, and were scrutinized for doing so, but Apple appeared to resolve the issue prior to iOS7's Official Release. At 12:47 PM 9/17/2014, you wrote: How about marking the microwave with Dymo tape labels? At least you can then press the correct numbers from 1 through 0. Mark the start button, too. You'll have greatly decreased unnecessary guesswork. As for the accessibility of I O S 8, just as with the previous major upgrade, I'm thinking that Apple, given time and necessary reports from blind users, will fix bugs. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released Wow, what an interesting comparison. In reality, such devices have been released. The first several devices were not at all accessible to the blind. Therefore, your argument does not hold up to what actually happens. The fact is, we are a very tiny group of people. At work, we have a water filtration system which has multiple settings. the system announces which type of water is coming out when it is started. It does not announce the setting when being set. We have a few pieces of tape on the face of the machine so I can find the start button. My microwave oven has no announcements whatsoever. We marked the touch panel with dots on the buttons, but I have no way of knowing for certain what I have pressed until it is finished. The same is true with our washing machine and dryer. It is unfair to those of us who are blind, but we are not a viable market for any mainstream product. Therefore, any bugs which effect VoiceOver only are not major or showstopers for over 99% of Apple's market And yet, Apple spends $35 per every iPhone sold for accessibility. This is what was stated in April at a shareholder meeting by Tim Cook. This is not an insignificant amount of money. Now that the beta cycle is complete, send in those bug reports. The minor VO only bugs can now be worked on more by Apple. Oh, and as to the question about why doesn't Apple wait until all minor bugs are fixed? Well, it is impossible to fix all bugs, so Apple would fall behind as a company if they stop innovating in today's world. The majority of those who buy products tend to purchase those products with the most innovative useful features. For example, we just purchased a robotic vacuum. We found a model which the base/recharging station empties the dirt from the robot cleaner. This way, we only need to empty the dust from the bin in the base station once a month or so. Much better than emptying the robot's little dust
How to get to body of sms quickly
Hello list I try to complete an online purchase. The site sends me a code on my iPhone which I must enter into an edit field but I do not have much time. Is there a way to get quickly to the message body to read the code before the website times out? The code usually consist of letters and numbers so I can not memorize it from just hearing it when the sms comes in. Regards Fanus --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Iphone and android as a second phone
Hi all: i have my iphone as my phone, and am very happy with it, but i need another phone to be my second 1. i decided to buy an android 1. 1- i need a good accessibility list for android, so can you point me to any good mailing list? 2- If anyone know good gmail sync to sync my contacts from iphone to gmail then sync my android to gmail with the same app? waiting your replys. thanks so much Ramy moustafa saber Musicc instructor at: faculty of musical education music arranger and sound engineer Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s
I'm curious. how much space do you need free on your iPhone if you're using iTunes? I'm assuming when people say they need almost 5G free, this is with an over the air install. On 09/18/2014 03:32 AM, ram kalia wrote: I have around 3.8 gb left on my phone and when I am checking software update it is saying that you need atleast 4.6 gb to install and one more question that is it the extracting space while the installing process is going or or will it be permanent after ios 8 gets installed. I means to say that if I update to ios 8, will I be left with only more then one gb on my device to install apps and songs or this 4 gb space is temporary. Please answer asap. On 9/18/14, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: Check how much spare space you have on an 8Gb device, the download is 1.6Gb or so alone, and will need space to manouvre when installing. Settings/general/about or settings/general/useage Rh. - Original Message - From: ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:47 AM Subject: Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s hi friends please tell me that will it be fine on an I phone 4s 8 gb or will it only be fine on an I phone 4s with 16 gb! awating for your earliest reply your suggestion wil be the turning point in updating or not!fingers crossed! On 9/18/14, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have upgraded, there is no VriceOver difference here. If anything, its a little more responsive. I have seen it crash once though. Cheers, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 18 Sep 2014, at 11:02 am, James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, So if you google ios8 iphone 4s, there are many articles warning people with iPhone 4s for upgrading to IOS8 for performance issues. Has anyone with iPhone 4s upgraded to IOS8? How's responsiveness of Voiceover? Any sluggishness? Thanks, -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone
Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s
Correct. Because the same file is downloaded to iTunes if you do it the iTunes way. So the space depends on the size of the computer's disk. On 18 Sep 2014, at 11:58, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious. how much space do you need free on your iPhone if you're using iTunes? I'm assuming when people say they need almost 5G free, this is with an over the air install. On 09/18/2014 03:32 AM, ram kalia wrote: I have around 3.8 gb left on my phone and when I am checking software update it is saying that you need atleast 4.6 gb to install and one more question that is it the extracting space while the installing process is going or or will it be permanent after ios 8 gets installed. I means to say that if I update to ios 8, will I be left with only more then one gb on my device to install apps and songs or this 4 gb space is temporary. Please answer asap. On 9/18/14, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: Check how much spare space you have on an 8Gb device, the download is 1.6Gb or so alone, and will need space to manouvre when installing. Settings/general/about or settings/general/useage Rh. - Original Message - From: ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:47 AM Subject: Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s hi friends please tell me that will it be fine on an I phone 4s 8 gb or will it only be fine on an I phone 4s with 16 gb! awating for your earliest reply your suggestion wil be the turning point in updating or not!fingers crossed! On 9/18/14, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have upgraded, there is no VriceOver difference here. If anything, its a little more responsive. I have seen it crash once though. Cheers, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 18 Sep 2014, at 11:02 am, James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, So if you google ios8 iphone 4s, there are many articles warning people with iPhone 4s for upgrading to IOS8 for performance issues. Has anyone with iPhone 4s upgraded to IOS8? How's responsiveness of Voiceover? Any sluggishness? Thanks, -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if
Re: Iphone and android as a second phone
eyes-f...@googlegroups.com for a mailing group ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all: i have my iphone as my phone, and am very happy with it, but i need another phone to be my second 1. i decided to buy an android 1. 1- i need a good accessibility list for android, so can you point me to any good mailing list? 2- If anyone know good gmail sync to sync my contacts from iphone to gmail then sync my android to gmail with the same app? waiting your replys. thanks so much Ramy moustafa saber Musicc instructor at: faculty of musical education music arranger and sound engineer Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Sent from my Android device with AndMail. Please excuse my brevity. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
fleksy keyborard and IOS 8
hello all, since the IOS8 can support third party keyboard. does fleksy keyboard work well with Voice Over? Ming msn/window live messenger chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com skype: chungchiming9950 face book: http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS 8 so far
I cannot duplicate the Whatsapp crashing. On 18 Sep 2014, at 03:09, Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigue...@hotmail.com wrote: Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigue...@hotmail.com Início da mensagem encaminhada: De: Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigue...@hotmail.com Assunto: IOS 8 so far Data: September 17, 2014 at 10:57:49 PM GMT-3 Para: iphone...@yahoogroups.com Good evening: I updated to IOS 8 a couple hours ago and the update process was held without any problems. So far, my looktel money reader seems not to be working and my watssap remains crashing and closing constantly without any apparent reason. Is someone else experiencing the same problems? Cheers. Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigue...@hotmail.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Removing 1000 email at once via iphone? Is i t possible?
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s
Use itunes and you will not need the same space as over the air. John Diakogeorgiou On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:32 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: I have around 3.8 gb left on my phone and when I am checking software update it is saying that you need atleast 4.6 gb to install and one more question that is it the extracting space while the installing process is going or or will it be permanent after ios 8 gets installed. I means to say that if I update to ios 8, will I be left with only more then one gb on my device to install apps and songs or this 4 gb space is temporary. Please answer asap. On 9/18/14, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: Check how much spare space you have on an 8Gb device, the download is 1.6Gb or so alone, and will need space to manouvre when installing. Settings/general/about or settings/general/useage Rh. - Original Message - From: ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:47 AM Subject: Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s hi friends please tell me that will it be fine on an I phone 4s 8 gb or will it only be fine on an I phone 4s with 16 gb! awating for your earliest reply your suggestion wil be the turning point in updating or not!fingers crossed! On 9/18/14, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have upgraded, there is no VriceOver difference here. If anything, its a little more responsive. I have seen it crash once though. Cheers, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 18 Sep 2014, at 11:02 am, James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, So if you google ios8 iphone 4s, there are many articles warning people with iPhone 4s for upgrading to IOS8 for performance issues. Has anyone with iPhone 4s upgraded to IOS8? How's responsiveness of Voiceover? Any sluggishness? Thanks, -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you
An Urgent Question: How to revert back to IOS7?
Dear all, After upgrading to IOS8, I discovered a discomfortint bug, at least tome. Icons in The fifth row of each page on my iPhone 5S desktop can not at all be moved. This means that If I have an installed app whose location is on the fifth row of any page on the desktop of my iPhone, and I want to move it to the fourth or third row, or move it to a folder in another page, this operation can not be performed with Apps resident in the fifth row. Further, I have serious crash issues with WhatsApp messenger V2.11.11. So, My question is now: How can I revert back to IOS 7? I need to revert back to IOS 7 to restore stable status of my iPhone 5S. Thank you in advance for your assistance. Best Regards Ahmed Khater aakhater@gmail.com It's always hope that gives meaning to life -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Jonathan. A very nice, well written book on iOS 8
I appreciate the book also. I read all of it once, not upgrading just yet because I have a 4S that needs to be upgraded but don't plan to be at the store tomorrow. I know there are part of the book I will need to reread. Thank you for writing it. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Abbott Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Jonathan. A very nice, well written book on iOS 8 As always another gem. Never purchased a book or tutorial from you that wasn't absolutely brilliant. Barry On Sep 17, 2014, at 12:18 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: I don't usually read or listen to tutorials, preferring to explore on my own, but I found myself reading various chapters of this book with great interest. Good work. :) I'm sure I'll be keeping it to hand over the next few weeks for sure in case I get stuck. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:41 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Brian, sure. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 17/09/2014, at 11:37 pm, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, Can you remind me where I can get a copy of your new book? Thanks, Brian Miller From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:13 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Jonathan. A very nice, well written book on iOS 8 Thanks a lot Neal, really appreciate that a lot, the feedback has been wonderful so far. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://mosen.org/ http://Mosen.org On 17/09/2014, at 4:41 pm, Neal Ewers mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Wow! This is very nice. I feel like I have iOS 8 on my phone already. Thanks very much for all the work that went into this. Neal -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You
Re: Deleting episodes from downcast?
An easier way is to flick up on the episode which will delete it. John Diakogeorgiou On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:41 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe alapoint...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, what I do is, open the subscribed podcast and flip to action within action, it will ask to delete the episodes. Hope this helps you. Andy and Shubert. -Original Message- From: david gross Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:23 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Deleting episodes from downcast? Sent from my iPhone How do I do this? Using a Iphone 4s with ios 7.12. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?
Hello folks, It looks that a very important function has been totally disabled with iOS8 on the 4s. The holding on the second tap to remove apps and folders no longer works. This is a very serious bug that disabled a very crucial function. Now, if you install apps, you can't remove them. I am not sure if this is a problem specific to iOS8 on the 4S, a problem specific to my own device in a strike of bad luck, or a worldwide problem on all versions of the iPhones with iOS8. Can you please confirm this problem or tell me how to go around it if it is particular to my device? Warm Regards, Cris -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at
Re: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?
I have this problem only if the app is on the line above the dock. You can get around it by moving anotther app to the last line. Diakogeorgiou On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Cris Ali filasti...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello folks, It looks that a very important function has been totally disabled with iOS8 on the 4s. The holding on the second tap to remove apps and folders no longer works. This is a very serious bug that disabled a very crucial function. Now, if you install apps, you can’t remove them. I am not sure if this is a problem specific to iOS8 on the 4S, a problem specific to my own device in a strike of bad luck, or a worldwide problem on all versions of the iPhones with iOS8. Can you please confirm this problem or tell me how to go around it if it is particular to my device? Warm Regards, Cris -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8
I have to agree here, I don't care if it is mainstream or blind specific if it does what I need it to do. If the app works on my phone, if it does something I need or want I don't even truly notice who made it or why. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8 I don't understand why people seem to be against using apps and products that are blind specific. It seems like people avoid them like the plague, and, in a lot of instances, you're not getting full advantage of your device, such as an iPhone. Some mainstream apps just don't work as well for a blind user. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Krister Ekstrom mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:26 AM Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 Hi, I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place, but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others. /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 01:47 skrev Jenny Wood kc5...@gmail.com: Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-) Jenny On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfRobert Doc Wright Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 I'm curious about direct touch typing. - Original Message - From: mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com Jennie Facer To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:31 PM Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 What is the interactive notifications all about? Thank you so much! Jen TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU ARE THE WORLD! On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Chuck Dean mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor. Chuck On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote: Hey guys, I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where it might be hiding? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Hi Jonathan, I know you used to use Nokia phones. Did you have the the reader for that? Sent from my iPad On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:18 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Reason to update when I can find a way to do so. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions According to the App Store, it's compatible with iOS 7 as well. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/09/2014, at 9:36 pm, Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Do I have to have iOS 8 installed? Or can I use 7.12? Jenifer Barr Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: No. On 18 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Stephanie natureloving...@gmail.com wrote: Will this work with the iphone 4s? Steph - Original Message - From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it successfully? On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list
Re: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?
On 9/18/2014 6:27 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: I have this problem only if the app is on the line above the dock. You can get around it by moving anotther app to the last line. Diakogeorgiou On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Cris Ali filasti...@hotmail.com mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com wrote: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S? Hello folks, It looks that a very important function has been totally disabled with iOS8 on the 4s. The holding on the second tap to remove apps and folders no longer works. This is a very serious bug that disableda very crucial function. Now, if you install apps, you can’t remove them. I am not sure if this is a problem specific to iOS8 on the 4S,a problem specific to my own device in a strike of bad luck,or a worldwide problem on all versions of the iPhones with iOS8. Can you please confirm this problem or tell me how to go around it if it is particular to my device? Warm Regards, Cris -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. This is true of moving apps as well. It is a problem. I also am using a 4s. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
4s and 5s
Hello, I now have the IPhone 4s with 1.5 gigs left. I installed Downcast which is absolutely fantastic. My problem is, I want to download many more subscriptions and audible and bard books. Can someone suggest how I could go with the 5s 64 gig while I am still 1 year into my contract. my wife and I share the contract and I want to also get the KNFB Reader and know that it wont work as well with the 4s. Any suggestions? Would I be okay to use the Reader with an IPad? I may be better off with that, wouldn’t I? May I download Bard and Audible books with an IPad? I just can’t think of staying with the 4s with 1.5 gigs and want to have and need more memory. Please give me your wisdom. Most Verizon Reps look at you like you don’t need anything else. They tell me that I am stuck to pay the going price of the 5s until I can upgrade. Thanks so much, Andy and Shubert Andrew J. LaPointe Co-Chairman Salem Commission on Disabilities President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging 34 Raymond Ave. Salem, MA. 01970 Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Knfb reader and ios 7
Can someone whose used the knfb reader with Ios 7 let us know how it was? I'm hearing it works better with 8, but with all the bugs, I really don't want to update at this point. I do, however, really want the knfb reader. Jenifer Barr Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Pages in ios 8
I have just updates the Pages app after installing iOS 8 on both my iPhone 5s and my iPad Air. When I opened the Pages app it says there are no documents - this is so on both devices. iCloud backup is turned on but can anyone guess what has happened to all my documents? Thanks Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Bard mobile app bookshelf edit and done buttons reversed places
I suspect that I just got confused and did not remember the correct placement of the edit and done buttons in the bookshelf mode. Yesterday I reread the entire bard app manual and reviewed a few things. And I deleted all the books in my bookshelf. It just seemed incorrect to me after doing this deletion, that the upper right side button would end up in the edit, not the done position. But everything seems to be working properly with the ability to delete books and I also practiced playing a few books and that was fine. So I apologize to the list for taking everyone's time to answer this question. I think I just got a bit confused going over the bard app materials. Michelle Sent from my iPad On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:57 AM, Gmail englishride...@gmail.com wrote: I think what she's saying is that when the app is not in edit mode, the button is labeled done, not edit. And when the app is in edit mode, the button is labeled edit, not done. The only way she can get the delete buttons next to each book to appear is to double tap the button so that it shows the edlabel, not the done label. Michelle, is this right? If so, this behavior is opposite than what it should be. Thanks, Ari On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: Michelle, I'm confused by your issue. The BARD Mobile app on my iPhone has always worked the way yours is working while in the bookshelf screen. In other words, when the books are listed with the more info button next to each one, the edit button is present at the top right of the screen. When you execute that edit button, you are then placed in edit mode with a delete button displayed to the left of each book which can be executed followed by a confirmation button to complete the deletion. The button in the upper right corner changes to Done while you're editing in order to revert back to normal display mode after you're done editing. I would assume the buttons display similarly on the iPad since I believe both devices use the same app. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Bernstein Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Bard mobile app bookshelf edit and done buttons reversed places I have been using the bard mobile app for a while with no difficulties. However, today I was in the bookshelf mode and deleted all the books (12 in total) that were there. Somehow the edit and done buttons on the upper right corner have reversed. I downloaded several new books and when these books are on the bookshelf with the arrow on the right side to get more information, the button on the upper right says edit, not done as it should. When I tap it and it changes to done, the edit buttons on the left side of each book pops up. I tried to read one of the books I just downloaded and it works fine in the now reading section. Any ideas on how to get the edit and done buttons in the bookshelf mode back to their correct order? Is there any address to email nls support for assistance with the bard mobile app other than my local library? I really don't want to take the app off my iPad and reinstall it, but I would like the edit and done buttons to return to their proper order. Sent from my iPad -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to
Re: iOS8: Enter Passcode with Braille Screen Input?
Yes, I do it all the time. I hit the number sign, the numbers (not dropped), and once I hit the last one, my device unlocks. On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Hi, all, Is this doable? I haven't made it work. No characters are entered. Thanks, Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS 8 Released
This release definitely has bugs. Can you live with them? That depends on your patience, tolerance, tech savviness, and desire to help. IOS 8 works fine if you are not using a braille display or Bluetooth keyboard. The two anoyances I have seen are that if an app is on the line above the dock I can't move or delete it. I've been able to get around this by switching it's place with another app. The second thing which I am not sure wasn't done by design is in the mail program. If I read a thread and delete all the messages in it, the thread stays open. With IOS 7 the empty thread closed by itself. Again although annoying this isn't a deal stopper. I will also say that I haven't had the problems with Bluetooth that others have reported. On 9/18/14, Robin robin-mel...@comcast.net wrote: What's the Difference? As I stated in an earlier EMAIL, Didn't members, who were Beta-Testers within the Blind and/or LowVision Community report these Bugs during the iOS8 Beta Testing Period? If they did, and we refuse to UpDate until the BUGS are resolved? Wouldn't it be the same people, who were primarily reporting the presence of these BUGS prior to iOS8's Official Release? If only a Fraction, and I mean a SMALL Fraction report these BUGS, they aren't as likely to be resolved as quickly as opposed to numerous members within the Blind and/or LowVision Community reporting the presence of these BUGS. The Question to ponder is whether or not to UpDate given the presence of these iOS8 Bugs I'll most likely UpDate on My Apple iPhone 4S prior to any of these Bugs being resolved Can't We as a Community give Apple some constructive Criticism, why must we always praise Apple for being the 1ST to introduce accessibility in its mainstream products This reminds me of a song, whathas Apple done for us, Lately At 09:32 PM 9/17/2014, you wrote: Of course they got the bug reports and probably fixed what they could because there had to be lots more. So, you will say, why didn't they fix them all? Because they had other priorities like paying some attention to their shareholders who think in dollars and don't give a hoot about our very small group. Now, that's why! So, let's get positive and report these bugs to Apple so they can fix them as soon as possible. Now that they've met their target release date, they might just have a little more time for us. Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released Didn't they (being Apple) receive these Bug Reports from the members of the Blind and/or LowVision Community, who participated as Beta Testers for Apple's iOS8??? Did these people neglect to Report the presence of these Bugs within iOS8? If not, were they submitted in a timely manner to be addressed prior to iOS8's Official release? Last Year, it was access to Apple's iOS App Store, but members of The Community spoke up prior to its release, and were scrutinized for doing so, but Apple appeared to resolve the issue prior to iOS7's Official Release. At 12:47 PM 9/17/2014, you wrote: How about marking the microwave with Dymo tape labels? At least you can then press the correct numbers from 1 through 0. Mark the start button, too. You'll have greatly decreased unnecessary guesswork. As for the accessibility of I O S 8, just as with the previous major upgrade, I'm thinking that Apple, given time and necessary reports from blind users, will fix bugs. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released Wow, what an interesting comparison. In reality, such devices have been released. The first several devices were not at all accessible to the blind. Therefore, your argument does not hold up to what actually happens. The fact is, we are a very tiny group of people. At work, we have a water filtration system which has multiple settings. the system announces which type of water is coming out when it is started. It does not announce the setting when being set. We have a few pieces of tape on the face of the machine so I can find the start button. My microwave oven has no announcements whatsoever. We marked the touch panel with dots on the buttons, but I have no way of knowing for certain what I have pressed until it is finished. The same is true with our washing machine and dryer. It is unfair to those of us who are blind, but we are not a viable market for any mainstream product. Therefore, any bugs which effect VoiceOver only are not major or showstopers for over 99% of Apple's market And yet, Apple spends $35 per every iPhone sold for accessibility. This is
Re: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?
It's in 5s as well. It can be fixed by exchanging the app with one which is not on the bottom row. On 9/18/14, Cris Ali filasti...@hotmail.com wrote: This is a serious problem. I wonder if it is only a 4S problem or is it in all other versions of the iPhone! Cris From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Yolanda Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S? On 9/18/2014 6:27 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: I have this problem only if the app is on the line above the dock. You can get around it by moving anotther app to the last line. Diakogeorgiou On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Cris Ali filasti...@hotmail.com mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello folks, It looks that a very important function has been totally disabled with iOS8 on the 4s. The holding on the second tap to remove apps and folders no longer works. This is a very serious bug that disabled a very crucial function. Now, if you install apps, you can't remove them. I am not sure if this is a problem specific to iOS8 on the 4S, a problem specific to my own device in a strike of bad luck, or a worldwide problem on all versions of the iPhones with iOS8. Can you please confirm this problem or tell me how to go around it if it is particular to my device? Warm Regards, Cris -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. This is true of moving apps as well. It is a problem. I also am using a 4s. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this
Re: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8
Charles I am one of those who would prefer to use a mainstream app if it exists. The reasons for this are that they are sometimes updated more frequently and that they are generally less expensive. The KNFB reader and the GPS apps are both good examples of how expensive apps are. I understand the reasons for this and don't want to get into a huge debate. I am just expressing my reasons for preferring off the shelf apps. On 9/18/14, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: I have to agree here, I don't care if it is mainstream or blind specific if it does what I need it to do. If the app works on my phone, if it does something I need or want I don't even truly notice who made it or why. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8 I don't understand why people seem to be against using apps and products that are blind specific. It seems like people avoid them like the plague, and, in a lot of instances, you're not getting full advantage of your device, such as an iPhone. Some mainstream apps just don't work as well for a blind user. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Krister Ekstrom mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:26 AM Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 Hi, I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place, but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others. /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 01:47 skrev Jenny Wood kc5...@gmail.com: Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-) Jenny On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfRobert Doc Wright Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 I'm curious about direct touch typing. - Original Message - From: mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com Jennie Facer To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:31 PM Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 What is the interactive notifications all about? Thank you so much! Jen TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU ARE THE WORLD! On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Chuck Dean mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor. Chuck On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote: Hey guys, I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where it might be hiding? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone
Mail voiceover in iOS 8
Hi list I'm having a mail problem. When I tap on the trash icon within a email voiceover moves focus to the reply button. Has anyone also had this problem or is it just me Thanks From frances Sent from my iPod -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS 8 Released
Hi list, How well does IOS 8 work on the iPhone 4S 32 gig? Does it provide more stability, or work better on newer models? Thanks, Anita - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:23 PM Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released You can, there is also a very thorough bug summary on Applevis. The one bug I would add that is not presently in that article, is that sometimes answering a call with a two-finger double-tap after you've been listening to audio will cause audio to resume rather than answer the call. This can get pretty messy. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/09/2014, at 4:58 am, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pages in ios 8
Hi Harry, I have all my documents after updating so I have no idea why your documents wouldn't show up. I don't use the cloud but I don't know that it would make a difference. Richard Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:04 AM, Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com wrote: I have just updates the Pages app after installing iOS 8 on both my iPhone 5s and my iPad Air. When I opened the Pages app it says there are no documents - this is so on both devices. iCloud backup is turned on but can anyone guess what has happened to all my documents? Thanks Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS 8 Released
I downloaded it on my ipod touch 5th generation and have been giving it a test drive. I'm going to wait before I install it on my ipad mini. -Original Message- From: John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released It seems that the bug list for version 8 is much more extensive than years past. I'm downloading it anyway! On 9/17/14, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: You can, there is also a very thorough bug summary on Applevis. The one bug I would add that is not presently in that article, is that sometimes answering a call with a two-finger double-tap after you've been listening to audio will cause audio to resume rather than answer the call. This can get pretty messy. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/09/2014, at 4:58 am, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Hi, I know i’m not the brightest shining star in the universe, far from it, but i have to say that i’m quite disappointed in the app. I tried it on a package of food and it didn’t find any text even though i know for a fact that there was text on the package. I held it at various heights over the package but no joy and even when it said that text was detected and to hold still, when the picture was taken after a long while Knfb reader informed me that no text was found. I must say i’m not at all impressed with this, there are far cheaper apps that do the same job. Having said that though, i do hope it’s user stupidity rather than an overpriced app that contributes to this bad review. If anyone has tips on how to go about to get good results, i’d be happy to know. /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 14:23 skrev Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit
Re: Pages in ios 8
I have just found the solution: turn the devices off and then back on again - and all the documents have reappeared!! Whew - scary moment! Thanks anyhow, Richard! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 14:32, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote: Hi Harry, I have all my documents after updating so I have no idea why your documents wouldn't show up. I don't use the cloud but I don't know that it would make a difference. Richard Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:04 AM, Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com wrote: I have just updates the Pages app after installing iOS 8 on both my iPhone 5s and my iPad Air. When I opened the Pages app it says there are no documents - this is so on both devices. iCloud backup is turned on but can anyone guess what has happened to all my documents? Thanks Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS 8 Released
Hi, I have a 32gb Iphone 4s and i have updated to Ios 8. .. I must say that i am not happy at all after the update! The phone is very slow and apps tend to crash a lot! Voice over re starts on its own all the time. Am also having a problem marking mails and moving them to the trash! Over all, i am not happy with the update. I wish u all the best. Regards, Nishi.nt from my iPhone On 18-Sep-2014, at 7:02 pm, Anita silky...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, How well does IOS 8 work on the iPhone 4S 32 gig? Does it provide more stability, or work better on newer models? Thanks, Anita - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:23 PM Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released You can, there is also a very thorough bug summary on Applevis. The one bug I would add that is not presently in that article, is that sometimes answering a call with a two-finger double-tap after you've been listening to audio will cause audio to resume rather than answer the call. This can get pretty messy. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/09/2014, at 4:58 am, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8
Hi, You want to know the reason why i avoid using blind specific apps as far as i possibly can? 1: Blindness specific apps send a signal to developers that they need not bother to put accessibility into main stream apps, because a solution exists that blind are going to prefer anyway. 2: As someone stated earlier, blind specific apps tend not to be updated past the first version and the first bug fix release, then they get forgotten. 3: Some, *not all* but some developers tend to oversimplify and exclude features even down to a basic level and to me at least it is like they're saying that blind folks can't chew chewing gum and walk at the same time, that in my not so humble opinion is an insult of my inteligence. I'm not saying we should have bells and whistles by the score and just because they can, but if one makes, say a calendar, something that already exists and is accessible don't omit features that are basic. Now let me say this once again, not all developers do this but i've seen those who do. Let's also be clear on one more point, there are apps that are really needed, like screen readers, money identifiers, some apps that adds extra gps info to standard gps apps etc but there are other apps that reinvent the wheel but more over simplified, like certain calendars, calculators and the like. Just my 0.02. /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 15:20 skrev John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com: Charles I am one of those who would prefer to use a mainstream app if it exists. The reasons for this are that they are sometimes updated more frequently and that they are generally less expensive. The KNFB reader and the GPS apps are both good examples of how expensive apps are. I understand the reasons for this and don't want to get into a huge debate. I am just expressing my reasons for preferring off the shelf apps. On 9/18/14, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com mailto:roseco...@q.com wrote: I have to agree here, I don't care if it is mainstream or blind specific if it does what I need it to do. If the app works on my phone, if it does something I need or want I don't even truly notice who made it or why. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8 I don't understand why people seem to be against using apps and products that are blind specific. It seems like people avoid them like the plague, and, in a lot of instances, you're not getting full advantage of your device, such as an iPhone. Some mainstream apps just don't work as well for a blind user. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Krister Ekstrom mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:26 AM Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 Hi, I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place, but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others. /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 01:47 skrev Jenny Wood kc5...@gmail.com mailto:kc5...@gmail.com: Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-) Jenny On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com[ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfRobert Doc Wright Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Jonathan, would you mind summarizing how the KNFB app compares to my own primary OCR solution: Prizmo? The updated Prizmo seems to work quite well, at least in my brief tests, and I'd like to know what makes the KNFB app more useful/easier/etc than Prizmo or similar apps. I'm not putting the new app down at all, or suggesting that it's not worth the price, I'd just like to know how it compares to other popular apps that have similar functionality. Thanks. On Sep 18, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, I know i'm not the brightest shining star in the universe, far from it, but i have to say that i'm quite disappointed in the app. I tried it on a package of food and it didn't find any text even though i know for a fact that there was text on the package. I held it at various heights over the package but no joy and even when it said that text was detected and to hold still, when the picture was taken after a long while Knfb reader informed me that no text was found. I must say i'm not at all impressed with this, there are far cheaper apps that do the same job. Having said that though, i do hope it's user stupidity rather than an overpriced app that contributes to this bad review. If anyone has tips on how to go about to get good results, i'd be happy to know. /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 14:23 skrev Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
Re: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?
hi friends please confirm that i phone 4s becomes slow after update or is it the same as with ios 7 please confirm asap On 9/18/14, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: It's in 5s as well. It can be fixed by exchanging the app with one which is not on the bottom row. On 9/18/14, Cris Ali filasti...@hotmail.com wrote: This is a serious problem. I wonder if it is only a 4S problem or is it in all other versions of the iPhone! Cris From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Yolanda Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S? On 9/18/2014 6:27 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: I have this problem only if the app is on the line above the dock. You can get around it by moving anotther app to the last line. Diakogeorgiou On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Cris Ali filasti...@hotmail.com mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello folks, It looks that a very important function has been totally disabled with iOS8 on the 4s. The holding on the second tap to remove apps and folders no longer works. This is a very serious bug that disabled a very crucial function. Now, if you install apps, you can't remove them. I am not sure if this is a problem specific to iOS8 on the 4S, a problem specific to my own device in a strike of bad luck, or a worldwide problem on all versions of the iPhones with iOS8. Can you please confirm this problem or tell me how to go around it if it is particular to my device? Warm Regards, Cris -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. This is true of moving apps as well. It is a problem. I also am using a 4s. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this
Re: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?
mine is fine, better actually. On Sep 18, 2014, at 10:03 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: hi friends please confirm that i phone 4s becomes slow after update or is it the same as with ios 7 please confirm asap -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8
Krister your first point is one which I didn't think about and is very valid. On 9/18/14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, You want to know the reason why i avoid using blind specific apps as far as i possibly can? 1: Blindness specific apps send a signal to developers that they need not bother to put accessibility into main stream apps, because a solution exists that blind are going to prefer anyway. 2: As someone stated earlier, blind specific apps tend not to be updated past the first version and the first bug fix release, then they get forgotten. 3: Some, *not all* but some developers tend to oversimplify and exclude features even down to a basic level and to me at least it is like they're saying that blind folks can't chew chewing gum and walk at the same time, that in my not so humble opinion is an insult of my inteligence. I'm not saying we should have bells and whistles by the score and just because they can, but if one makes, say a calendar, something that already exists and is accessible don't omit features that are basic. Now let me say this once again, not all developers do this but i've seen those who do. Let's also be clear on one more point, there are apps that are really needed, like screen readers, money identifiers, some apps that adds extra gps info to standard gps apps etc but there are other apps that reinvent the wheel but more over simplified, like certain calendars, calculators and the like. Just my 0.02. /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 15:20 skrev John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com: Charles I am one of those who would prefer to use a mainstream app if it exists. The reasons for this are that they are sometimes updated more frequently and that they are generally less expensive. The KNFB reader and the GPS apps are both good examples of how expensive apps are. I understand the reasons for this and don't want to get into a huge debate. I am just expressing my reasons for preferring off the shelf apps. On 9/18/14, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com mailto:roseco...@q.com wrote: I have to agree here, I don't care if it is mainstream or blind specific if it does what I need it to do. If the app works on my phone, if it does something I need or want I don't even truly notice who made it or why. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8 I don't understand why people seem to be against using apps and products that are blind specific. It seems like people avoid them like the plague, and, in a lot of instances, you're not getting full advantage of your device, such as an iPhone. Some mainstream apps just don't work as well for a blind user. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Krister Ekstrom mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:26 AM Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 Hi, I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place, but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others. /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 01:47 skrev Jenny Wood kc5...@gmail.com mailto:kc5...@gmail.com: Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-) Jenny On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com[ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfRobert Doc Wright Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Re: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?
Mine is very slow! Sent from my iPhone On 18-Sep-2014, at 7:35 pm, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: mine is fine, better actually. On Sep 18, 2014, at 10:03 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: hi friends please confirm that i phone 4s becomes slow after update or is it the same as with ios 7 please confirm asap -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Mail voiceover in iOS 8
I'm also having the same problem. Blessings, Brian On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Frances' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi list I'm having a mail problem. When I tap on the trash icon within a email voiceover moves focus to the reply button. Has anyone also had this problem or is it just me Thanks From frances Sent from my iPod -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
iOS8 - Typing feedback issue
Hi All, Wondering if anyone else has seen an issue where you can't silence the typing feedback in VO? I upgraded a 4S yesterday to play around with and found that even if I set the typing feedback to 'None' for the software keyboard VO still announces the key once it's typed. Is this an isolated issue or more common? Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Voiceover issues with IOS 8, on the iPhone 5
You may need sighted assistance to turn off status cells for you found in the Braille settings of VoiceOver. This is a serious bug discovered at www.applevis.com On 18 Sep 2014, at 15:28, Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com wrote: I do not have voiceover at all on my iPhone 5. Are there any ideas what I should do? I have already gone to accessibility\Voiceover and turned it on. I also tried turning it on with Siri. It says that VO is on, but I don't here a sound. Stressed out -- Sharonda Greenlaw President (Phoenix Chapter) National Federation of the Blind - Skype: sharonda2004 Twitter: shari_rocks Facebook: facebook.com/TheSharondaWhiteGreenlaw -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS 8 Released
You will get mixed opinions on this. It may work well for you but not for others. On 18 Sep 2014, at 14:32, Anita silky...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, How well does IOS 8 work on the iPhone 4S 32 gig? Does it provide more stability, or work better on newer models? Thanks, Anita - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:23 PM Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released You can, there is also a very thorough bug summary on Applevis. The one bug I would add that is not presently in that article, is that sometimes answering a call with a two-finger double-tap after you've been listening to audio will cause audio to resume rather than answer the call. This can get pretty messy. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/09/2014, at 4:58 am, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Mail voiceover in iOS 8
Have you tried using the rotor until you are at actions then flick up or down with one finger to trash then double tap? On 18 Sep 2014, at 14:25, 'Frances' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi list I'm having a mail problem. When I tap on the trash icon within a email voiceover moves focus to the reply button. Has anyone also had this problem or is it just me Thanks From frances Sent from my iPod -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Mail voiceover in iOS 8
That's happened to me too. Sent from my iPod 5 keychat/google talk: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com primary email: d.pra...@me.com facebook/iMessage: devinpra...@live.com On Sep 18, 2014, at 08:25, 'Frances' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi list I'm having a mail problem. When I tap on the trash icon within a email voiceover moves focus to the reply button. Has anyone also had this problem or is it just me Thanks From frances Sent from my iPod -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Bluetooth keyboard
Hello everyone, I have downloaded iOS eight. I really can't complain. My problem now is my Bluetooth keyboard. It is in Amazon Bluetooth keyboard.I can't seem to get my phone to see it. That was no problem before. I told the device to forget it and tried to Pair again. Now I can't even get it to recognize it. Voiceovers just keep saying candies iPhone, now discoverable.any suggestions? Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: When Apple sends me my Verizon iPhone 6, will I need to transfer the sim card from 5 to 6?
Hi, You should be able to transfer the sim card over to the new one if they are using the same type as the 5/5s. Matthew On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:42 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote: Hi, Just wondering if my Verizon iPHone which I bought from Apple will come with it's own sim card, or will I need to transfer the sim card from the 5 into the 6? Thanks. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s
It works ok but slow at times but what do you expect from a three year device? On 18 Sep 2014, at 02:02, James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, So if you google ios8 iphone 4s, there are many articles warning people with iPhone 4s for upgrading to IOS8 for performance issues. Has anyone with iPhone 4s upgraded to IOS8? How's responsiveness of Voiceover? Any sluggishness? Thanks, -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Is iCloud Drive only accessible by web browser on Windows?
A Windows client will be forthcoming. On 18 Sep 2014, at 02:19, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: Is iCloud Drive only accessible by web browser on a Windows PC? I hope not, because the icloud.com web site doesn't appear very friendly with JAWS or NVDA. I was hoping there was a way to access it with Windows Explorer so I could just hit Control+c and Control+v to paste files into it. Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
not updating
I have a 4 s and an Ipad Mini and I plan to not update. I cant' get a new phone till next summer anyway so it's all moot for me right now. Why would I want slow and sluggish just because there is an update/ No thanks, I'll just keep things as they are now. In my case, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Patti -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Voiceover issues with IOS 8, on the iPhone 5
I had this problem, and had to reset all settings. My sighted husband had to do it for me. I'm glad it occurred to me to do this. I had no idea there was a bug with status cels that caused this issue. Wow, that's major. That explains why I had it working again and status cells were off. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Sep 18, 2014, at 7:29 AM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: You may need sighted assistance to turn off status cells for you found in the Braille settings of VoiceOver. This is a serious bug discovered at www.applevis.com On 18 Sep 2014, at 15:28, Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com wrote: I do not have voiceover at all on my iPhone 5. Are there any ideas what I should do? I have already gone to accessibility\Voiceover and turned it on. I also tried turning it on with Siri. It says that VO is on, but I don't here a sound. Stressed out -- Sharonda Greenlaw President (Phoenix Chapter) National Federation of the Blind - Skype: sharonda2004 Twitter: shari_rocks Facebook: facebook.com/TheSharondaWhiteGreenlaw -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Is iCloud Drive only accessible by web browser on Windows?
When I upgraded I cloud Drive in iOS eight. How can I access my document and things like that Should I download some apps from the App Store? Thanks. Ming Skype: chungchiming9950 christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 於 2014年9月18日 下午11:05 寫道： A Windows client will be forthcoming. On 18 Sep 2014, at 02:19, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: Is iCloud Drive only accessible by web browser on a Windows PC? I hope not, because the icloud.com web site doesn't appear very friendly with JAWS or NVDA. I was hoping there was a way to access it with Windows Explorer so I could just hit Control+c and Control+v to paste files into it. Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS8 on iPhone 4s
I have a for S. I have upgraded. It is working fine. I will get the six or the 6+ tomorrow or as soon as I can get my hands on it, but I thought I could be learning the new format in the meantime.I have to say that the response with voiceover is very good. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 10:12 AM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: It works ok but slow at times but what do you expect from a three year device? On 18 Sep 2014, at 02:02, James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, So if you google ios8 iphone 4s, there are many articles warning people with iPhone 4s for upgrading to IOS8 for performance issues. Has anyone with iPhone 4s upgraded to IOS8? How's responsiveness of Voiceover? Any sluggishness? Thanks, -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8
I do use blindness-specific apps from time to time, such as Bard. However, I tend to have a pragmatic approach to this issue. If an off-the-shelf app can do it just as well or better, I use that. One thing I absolutely love about using iOS is being able to compare notes about apps with sighted friends. Just the other day, my friend recommended a website, and I found out its companion app is very accessible. You just can't beat that. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, You want to know the reason why i avoid using blind specific apps as far as i possibly can? 1: Blindness specific apps send a signal to developers that they need not bother to put accessibility into main stream apps, because a solution exists that blind are going to prefer anyway. 2: As someone stated earlier, blind specific apps tend not to be updated past the first version and the first bug fix release, then they get forgotten. 3: Some, *not all* but some developers tend to oversimplify and exclude features even down to a basic level and to me at least it is like they’re saying that blind folks can’t chew chewing gum and walk at the same time, that in my not so humble opinion is an insult of my inteligence. I’m not saying we should have bells and whistles by the score and just because they can, but if one makes, say a calendar, something that already exists and is accessible don’t omit features that are basic. Now let me say this once again, not all developers do this but i’ve seen those who do. Let’s also be clear on one more point, there are apps that are really needed, like screen readers, money identifiers, some apps that adds extra gps info to standard gps apps etc but there are other apps that reinvent the wheel but more over simplified, like certain calendars, calculators and the like. Just my 0.02. /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 15:20 skrev John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com: Charles I am one of those who would prefer to use a mainstream app if it exists. The reasons for this are that they are sometimes updated more frequently and that they are generally less expensive. The KNFB reader and the GPS apps are both good examples of how expensive apps are. I understand the reasons for this and don't want to get into a huge debate. I am just expressing my reasons for preferring off the shelf apps. On 9/18/14, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: I have to agree here, I don't care if it is mainstream or blind specific if it does what I need it to do. If the app works on my phone, if it does something I need or want I don't even truly notice who made it or why. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8 I don't understand why people seem to be against using apps and products that are blind specific. It seems like people avoid them like the plague, and, in a lot of instances, you're not getting full advantage of your device, such as an iPhone. Some mainstream apps just don't work as well for a blind user. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Krister Ekstrom mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:26 AM Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 Hi, I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place, but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others. /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 01:47 skrev Jenny Wood kc5...@gmail.com: Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-) Jenny On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather
Re: Just updated to ios 8.0 and I'm wondering how I change my voice to Alex
Hi, The 5c does not have a 64 bit prosseser. If you want to install it on your mini, go to settings, general, accessiblity, voiceover, dialect and then select alex and you can download it. Keep in mind, that it is over 900 mb and that once it is switched, you will need to restart vo to make the change take affect. HTH. Matthew On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Jen Colley jencol...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I just updated my iPhone 5c and iPad mini first edition and I want to change my voice to Alex but I've been through all the settings and I can't find the place to change the voice. Jen -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: iOS8: Enter Passcode with Braille Screen Input?
I'm sorry for the confusion. I was referring to onscreen Braille input, as in setting the rotor to Braille and entering it on the touch-screen. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:13 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Yes, I do it all the time. I hit the number sign, the numbers (not dropped), and once I hit the last one, my device unlocks. On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Hi, all, Is this doable? I haven't made it work. No characters are entered. Thanks, Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Bard Mobile search problem in IOS 8
I am having trouble doing a book search in bard Mobile since upgrading to IOS 8. I tap on Get Books and then Browse BARD. When I double tap in the text field for the book search there is no keyboard activated. Has anyone else noticed this? I am considering deleting the app and reinstalling it. Will I lose any settings doing this? DC -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: fleksy keyborard and IOS 8
Not yet, the Fleksy people are keen to ensure it's accessible, but there is a bug in the current release of VoiceOver preventing this for now. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/09/2014, at 11:32 pm, 'Ming' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: hello all, since the IOS8 can support third party keyboard. does fleksy keyboard work well with Voice Over? Ming msn/window live messenger chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com skype: chungchiming9950 face book: http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members
Re: iOS8 - Typing feedback issue
Yes, it’s been reported, so Apple knows about it. Now the next step is just to be patient and wait for an update. On Sep 18, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Todd W toddstechby...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Wondering if anyone else has seen an issue where you can't silence the typing feedback in VO? I upgraded a 4S yesterday to play around with and found that even if I set the typing feedback to 'None' for the software keyboard VO still announces the key once it's typed. Is this an isolated issue or more common? Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Continuous Braille Reading in iOS8
Oh, wow. Having this feature when reading Braille is worth the bugs for me. I LOVE being able to read continuously on the display. I do a lot of reading with my iPod. That feature is fantastic. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: IOS 8 Releasedusing voice messaging
apparently that's not how that works unless there is something I am missing or unless my lack of dexterity prevents me from performing that action. why couldn't they use one of the volume keys as a PTT? Ray T. Mahorney WA4WGA -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:13 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 8 Releasedusing voice messaging Press it and don't let go? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Ray T. Mahorney mahorney@googlemail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:51 PM Subject: RE: IOS 8 Releasedusing voice messaging how do you hold a button on a touch screen? I can never get that to work. Ray T. Mahorney WA4WGA -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 22:01 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 8 Releasedusing voice messaging No, you can only send a voice message to somebody who has iMessage, it doesn't have to be iOS 8 but of course they can only receive a voice message and not send one unless they have iOS 8. \You double tap and hold the button as long as you are recording. After you are done let go and then you have to explore the screen and find the Send button. You can also play your message. It does not work like Whats App where the message is sent as soon as you let go of the button. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Beatty Christenson Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:22 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 8 Releasedusing voice messaging Does anyone know if there is a bug in the text messages where you can use the voice message button, I push the button I tap it twice and hold and nothing happens, and also if you want to text someone that does not have iOS 8 it looks like the button does not show up, does anyone know if you can use the voice messaging to talk to anyone with text messages On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote: Because, as I recall, he was challenged on the practicality and benefit of doing this; I could be wrong! -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 17, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote: Two questions come to mind. 1. Why does Apple have to spend $35 for every iPhone sold for accessibility. 2. Why did Mr. cook feel it necessary to make that an issue at a shareholders meeting. On Sep 17, 2014, at 2:34 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, what an interesting comparison. In reality, such devices have been released. The first several devices were not at all accessible to the blind. Therefore, your argument does not hold up to what actually happens. The fact is, we are a very tiny group of people. At work, we have a water filtration system which has multiple settings. the system announces which type of water is coming out when it is started. It does not announce the setting when being set. We have a few pieces of tape on the face of the machine so I can find the start button. My microwave oven has no announcements whatsoever. We marked the touch panel with dots on the buttons, but I have no way of knowing for certain what I have pressed until it is finished. The same is true with our washing machine and dryer. It is unfair to those of us who are blind, but we are not a viable market for any mainstream product. Therefore, any bugs which effect VoiceOver only are not major or showstopers for over 99% of Apple's market And yet, Apple spends $35 per every iPhone sold for accessibility. This is what was stated in April at a shareholder meeting by Tim Cook. This is not an insignificant amount of money. Now that the beta cycle is complete, send in those bug reports. The minor VO only bugs can now be worked on more by Apple. Oh, and as to the question about why doesn't Apple wait until all minor bugs are fixed? Well, it is impossible to fix all bugs, so Apple would fall behind as a company if they stop innovating in today's world. The majority of those who buy products tend to purchase those products with the most innovative useful features. For example, we just purchased a robotic vacuum. We found a model which the base/recharging
RE: IOS 8 Released
Neal, testing is only as good as the testers. From one I know of, it is surprising anything useable gets released. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple would not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that they can release something to the public and then, if they have time, fix the bugs that make the device much less stable for people who have a disability. I know, at one time, Apple was in the forefront of accessibility. I gave them high praise and they deserved it. But, as some of my Mac user friends have said, they seem to have lately been resting on their former reputation and less on getting it right the first time. Obviously, they knew about all of these iOS bugs before release. This is why they have beta testers who are blind and have low vision. Yet, they decided that was more important to get it to people who see, than to wait until it was just as ready for people who are blind or have limited vision. Shame, shame, shame on you Apple, I thought you were a better company than that. Put your development where your mouth is and fix the many problem issues in iOS 8. Otherwise, don't claim to be such a friend of people who are disabled. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released I'm sure that we can. All we have to do is to wait until they can get it to us. I will patiently wait. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:58 AM Subject: IOS 8 Released Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on
