RE: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

[Simon A Fogarty]

I wasn't going to say that on a apple list.

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Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 14 October 2021 3:24 pm
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Or Mac OS or Linux or any other electronic device with a processor?

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Fogarty
Sent: October 13, 2021 3:33 PM
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Subject: RE: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

Thanks Davie, 

One I hadn't noticed myself.

And remember folks,

There are always going  to be bugs in software 

Anyone ever heard of Microsoft windows?

Or Microsoft office!



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Hi Folks 

Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug and 
please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic one but it 
is a bug.

Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be 
updated, for me now I update them manually so I have 7 apps to go and my first 
shown update is linkedin.
And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully updated 
and see there, I stil have 7 apps to update so the digit 6 should appear but 
stays on 7 and this is eventually a bug so report this to accessibility.
Davy 



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Re: Query relating to Bluetooth speakers

[turab chimthanawala]

Thanks all.
I use the BOAt speakers. Indian brand hence, thought u all might not know.

On 10/13/21, Duane Steele  wrote:
> A postscript to your texts about Bluetooth speakers and VO for those wanting
> to know is that most Bose bluetooth speakers do not change at all when going
> to more info and clicking on speaker, but continue to play VO through the
> speaker. Anyone contemplating purchasing a Bose unit should be aware of this
> in case there's some concern about playing VO through speaker or iPhone.
> Those wanting this feature to be consistent with voiceOver going through the
> phone and everything else through the speaker may wish to check out other
> brands.
>
>
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> This can vary quite a bit between Bluetooth speaker brands, so not
>> knowing your brand, which is fine as I certainly do not know about all
>> brands, but with some brands, in Bluetooth settings, when you flick up to
>> more info on the speaker in question, and double tap, there is an option
>> to change the type to speaker, which in theory puts VoiceOver on your
>> phone speaker and all other things like music and videos through the
>> Bluetooth speaker.
>>
>> If VO is stopping speaking, you might also try toggling VoiceOVer on and
>> off if that is easier than turning the speaker on and off.
>>
>> Again, the above is in theory, not all speakers behave as they ought.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>> it." - Jane Wagner
>>
>> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 4:07 AM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Query relating to Bluetooth speakers
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I recently purchased a Bluetooth speaker. Have the following queries while
>> pairing it with my XR:
>> 1. How do I ensure that voice over speaks through the phone and the apps
>> play through the speaker?
>> 2. When I am playing any video/ audio in any app say Youtube and in
>> between the app if I go back to the Home screen, voice over stops speking.
>> Only option left is to start stop the speaker.
>> Thanks
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RE: Voice Clock won't start at my appointed start time.

[robini71]

Hi,

I tried both your suggestions and still no joy here on my iPhone 13 Pro Max 
running iOS 15.0.2. I can’t imagine what variable causes it not to work here 
when it works for others. It is a mystery. Thanks for replying though I 
appreciate that.

Take good care and enjoy the sounding of the chimes for us all.

Robin

 

 

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dm-h...@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Clock won't start at my appointed start time.

 

Hi Robin,

 

It does do the quarter hours. The only way I accidentally got it to work is 
that on the setting screen I turned the announce of the quarter hours on and 
off a couple of times. When you hear it chime, you know it is on. That is if it 
is on, it will chime right away. 

 

By the way, I also turned on the clock display. The chiming started working 
after that, but I an not sure if it was turning the display of the clock on or 
the repeated turning the chime on and off.

 

Good Luck!

Take care and stay safe!

 

Debby  

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Voice Clock won't start at my appointed start time.

 

Hey Richard and others,

How on earth do you get big Ben to work? I bought it, installed it set its 
notifications as it asked and nothing doing here. I miss having my quarter 
hours chimed if it does that. As I said here it's doing a bunch of nothing 
making me kind of sorry I bought it.

Take good care.

Robin

 

On 10/4/2021 10:23 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I think it needs to be either running all the time in the app switcher, or 
something.  I gave up on it and am hoping something else comes along.

 

I like Big Ben, but it does kind of take over your world when it is gonging the 
hours as they get larger and larger.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com    
  On Behalf Of Kevin 
Minor
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 7:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Voice Clock won't start at my appointed start time.

 

Hi.

 

I’m trying to get Voice Clock to work with no stop time. What I mean is I have 
it start at midnight, and it stops at 11:59 p.m., essentially going 24 hours a 
day. When it’s working, it works great. Problem is it stops at the indicated 
time, but it doesn’t start back up. The only way I can get it working is to 
open the app, and it works again until the next night.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

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Re: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

[Mike B.]

For myself with an SE 2020 iPhone running iOS 15.0.2 after I double tap the 
update all button I need to swipe to the first apps download status, then 
swipe back to the update all button, and then Voiceover reports the 
countdown status of the updates.


Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"

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Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore


Actually the app store count does exist for me if I have say 3 or 4  updates 
and manually tap each update button for each app. In this case it would say 
at the top before I do this "Update All, 4 updates available" and if I then 
do 2 of them and they are done it still says the same. Yes, if you tap 
Update All it counts them down correctly, but not the other way. I would 
probably have never noticed this and it's not really a bug which effects my 
productivity or causes me any problems.

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Sent: October 13, 2021 1:24 PM
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Subject: Re: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

Sieghard, I think that everyone needs to go & buy an iPhone 11. LOL!! The 
bugs listed so far: The app switcher bug, the wallet app bug, Siri not 
responding on the lock screen  (Not refering to asking for messages, emails, 
phone calls to be read. I don't use Siri for these things.)& now the app 
store update app bug. I'm not experiencing any of these bugs. The only bug 
I'm experiencing is the Screen Grabber bug in the mail app, which prevents 
draft emails that have a recipient address from being able to be deleted, 
unless the draft email is sent to oneself.

Donna

>
> Another bug I can't reproduce. Maybe you can explain this more?
> For example, just now I checked and I have 8 app updates. On my home 
> screen it says "App Store, 8 updates available"
> When I open the App Store and go to my account just before the first 
> update I get "Update All, 8"
> If I tap this "Update All, 8 button and keep focus on it, I hear Voiceover 
> repeat it every time an app finishes installing and it goes down to 7, 6, 
> 5 etc.
> The same is true on my home screen, if I go back to my home screen after 
> tapping Update All and put focus on the App Store app, I'll hear Voiceover 
> speak App Store, 7 updates available, App Store, 6 updates available etc.
> Is that what you mean or am I misunderstanding what you are describing?
>
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> davycupp...@gmail.com
> Sent: October 13, 2021 8:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore
>
>
> Hi Folks
>
> Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug 
> and please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic 
> one but it is a bug.
>
> Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be 
> updated, for me now I update them manually so I have 7 apps to go and my 
> first shown update is linkedin.
> And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully 
> updated and see there, I stil have 7 apps to update so the digit 6 should 
> appear but stays on 7 and this is eventually a bug so report this to 
> accessibility.
> Davy
>
>
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RE: Email Notification Off?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Both are the same, if you go to Settings > Mail and tap on Notifications it is 
the same as going to Settings > Notification Centre > Mail.
Just like filling half a glass of water if that is all you want or filling a 
glass full and drinking half.


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Sent: October 13, 2021 3:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Email Notification Off?

To turn off emoail notification:

1. Open Settings.
2. Go to Mail. 

3.Turn off Notifications. 
4. I think you also could go to Notifications and turn it off for mail there. 
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Subject: Email Notification Off?

Hi, Group.

How can I turn email notification off on iPhone8 and iPad Mini, please?

Thanks!

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RE: Question about Apple watch, series 7

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Terry, your band will fit, but one thing I don't understand is why you would 
spend any money on upgrading from a series 5 to a series 6, if you have money 
to burn and want the series 7 then OK, but even that in my opinion is not much 
of an upgrade worth spending anything on. I expect the series 8 next year will 
have much bigger improvements and I certainly won't upgrade my series 5 watch 
for at least another year or two. Yes, it's everybody's choice, but here we 
have all these expensive gadgets, iPhone, Apple Watch, maybe even an iPad 
and/or a set of expensive Airpods and every couple of years we upgrade it all 
or maybe you upgrade one or two things one year and the other thing or two the 
next so each year you drop hundreds if not a Thousand or more on this tech 
addiction.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think a series 6 or 7 watch can do over your 
5?
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Stimmel
Sent: October 13, 2021 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question about Apple watch, series 7

Hello everyone,


So I am wanting to upgrade my watch. I currently have a series 5. I am 
interested in the series 6.


However, when I was looking on the Apple store, the series 7 seems 
cheaper. I don't know why this is the case. But if this is accurate, 
thththen I will likely upgrade to the series 7.


So here is my question.

Are the series 7 watches only 41 MM, or 45 MM cases?

I have a 40 MM case now, and I would like to stick with this, if at all 
possible. Only, because I have the Melanese loop band.


Any thoughts, or suggestions are much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Or Mac OS or Linux or any other electronic device with a processor?

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Sent: October 13, 2021 3:33 PM
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Thanks Davie, 

One I hadn't noticed myself.

And remember folks,

There are always going  to be bugs in software 

Anyone ever heard of Microsoft windows?

Or Microsoft office!



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Hi Folks 

Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug and 
please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic one but it 
is a bug.

Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be 
updated, for me now I update them manually so I have 7 apps to go and my first 
shown update is linkedin.
And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully updated 
and see there, I stil have 7 apps to update so the digit 6 should appear but 
stays on 7 and this is eventually a bug so report this to accessibility.
Davy 



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RE: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Actually the app store count does exist for me if I have say 3 or 4  updates 
and manually tap each update button for each app. In this case it would say at 
the top before I do this "Update All, 4 updates available" and if I then do 2 
of them and they are done it still says the same. Yes, if you tap Update All it 
counts them down correctly, but not the other way. I would probably have never 
noticed this and it's not really a bug which effects my productivity or causes 
me any problems.

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Sieghard, I think that everyone needs to go & buy an iPhone 11. LOL!! The bugs 
listed so far: The app switcher bug, the wallet app bug, Siri not responding on 
the lock screen  (Not refering to asking for messages, emails, phone calls to 
be read. I don't use Siri for these things.)& now the app store update app bug. 
I'm not experiencing any of these bugs. The only bug I'm experiencing is the 
Screen Grabber bug in the mail app, which prevents draft emails that have a 
recipient address from being able to be deleted, unless the draft email is sent 
to oneself.

Donna
 
> 
> Another bug I can't reproduce. Maybe you can explain this more?
> For example, just now I checked and I have 8 app updates. On my home screen 
> it says "App Store, 8 updates available"
> When I open the App Store and go to my account just before the first update I 
> get "Update All, 8"
> If I tap this "Update All, 8 button and keep focus on it, I hear Voiceover 
> repeat it every time an app finishes installing and it goes down to 7, 6, 5 
> etc.
> The same is true on my home screen, if I go back to my home screen after 
> tapping Update All and put focus on the App Store app, I'll hear Voiceover 
> speak App Store, 7 updates available, App Store, 6 updates available etc.
> Is that what you mean or am I misunderstanding what you are describing?
> 
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> Subject: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore
> 
> 
> Hi Folks 
> 
> Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug and 
> please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic one but 
> it is a bug.
> 
> Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be 
> updated, for me now I update them manually so I have 7 apps to go and my 
> first shown update is linkedin.
> And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully updated 
> and see there, I stil have 7 apps to update so the digit 6 should appear but 
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Re: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

[Ken Brown]

The thing is though in the past you did not have to refresh when you were 
updating one app at a time it would just automatically countdown so they had to 
change something.

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> 
> 
> And, if you refresh the screen with a three finger swipe down, the count 
> decreases when updating one app at a time.
> Bug, or different way of doing things.
> Your choice.
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>>> On Oct 13, 2021, at 3:32 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>> Thanks Davie, 
>> 
>> One I hadn't noticed myself.
>> 
>> And remember folks,
>> 
>> There are always going  to be bugs in software 
>> 
>> Anyone ever heard of Microsoft windows?
>> 
>> Or Microsoft office!
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Sent: Thursday, 14 October 2021 4:57 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Folks 
>> 
>> Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug and 
>> please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic one but 
>> it is a bug.
>> 
>> Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be 
>> updated, for me now I update them manually so I have 7 apps to go and my 
>> first shown update is linkedin.
>> And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully updated 
>> and see there, I stil have 7 apps to update so the digit 6 should appear but 
>> stays on 7 and this is eventually a bug so report this to accessibility.
>> Davy 
>> 
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Re: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

[Richard Turner]

And, if you refresh the screen with a three finger swipe down, the count 
decreases when updating one app at a time.
Bug, or different way of doing things.
Your choice.



Richard
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Jane Wagner





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On Oct 13, 2021, at 3:32 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Thanks Davie,

One I hadn't noticed myself.

And remember folks,

There are always going  to be bugs in software

Anyone ever heard of Microsoft windows?

Or Microsoft office!



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Hi Folks

Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug and 
please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic one but it 
is a bug.

Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be 
updated, for me now I update them manually so I have 7 apps to go and my first 
shown update is linkedin.
And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully updated 
and see there, I stil have 7 apps to update so the digit 6 should appear but 
stays on 7 and this is eventually a bug so report this to accessibility.
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RE: Question about Apple watch, series 7

[Simon A Fogarty]

Both sizes in the series 7 

The 41 mm replaces the 40mm and the 45mm replaces the 44mm 

Due to the way they have the screen curveing over the edges of the watch I 
believe 

But really if you have the series 5,
Why do you at this point wish to change to the series 7?

There isn't really a lot of difference in them other than the 7 has the blood 
oxygen meter,
Otherwise pretty much the screen is the only other difference,
The series 5 is only 2 years old,

And there is no series  6 available from what I can see on apples site any 
longer,

My personal thought would be to hold off for another 12 months unless you have 
a real urgent need to have the updated watch.

I've ordered one myself simply due to the dying battery in my series 4,

But even then it was still a choice between the SE and the series 7.

Good luck.

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Stimmel
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Subject: Question about Apple watch, series 7

Hello everyone,


So I am wanting to upgrade my watch. I currently have a series 5. I am 
interested in the series 6.


However, when I was looking on the Apple store, the series 7 seems 
cheaper. I don't know why this is the case. But if this is accurate, 
thththen I will likely upgrade to the series 7.


So here is my question.

Are the series 7 watches only 41 MM, or 45 MM cases?

I have a 40 MM case now, and I would like to stick with this, if at all 
possible. Only, because I have the Melanese loop band.


Any thoughts, or suggestions are much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

[Simon A Fogarty]

Thanks Davie, 

One I hadn't noticed myself.

And remember folks,

There are always going  to be bugs in software 

Anyone ever heard of Microsoft windows?

Or Microsoft office!



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Hi Folks 

Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug and 
please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic one but it 
is a bug.

Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be 
updated, for me now I update them manually so I have 7 apps to go and my first 
shown update is linkedin.
And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully updated 
and see there, I stil have 7 apps to update so the digit 6 should appear but 
stays on 7 and this is eventually a bug so report this to accessibility.
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RE: Email Notification Off?

[Carolyn]

To turn off emoail notification:

1. Open Settings.
2. Go to Mail. 

3.Turn off Notifications. 
4. I think you also could go to Notifications and turn it off for mail there. 
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Hi, Group.

How can I turn email notification off on iPhone8 and iPad Mini, please?

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RE: New hand gestures on Apple watch

[Simon A Fogarty]

Well that will be why my one isn't working this way.

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Subject: RE: New hand gestures on Apple watch

No, they're only supported on the Series 6 and the SE. Here's a link I posted 
earlier in this thread with this and more information 
https://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-use-assistivetouch-on-apple-watch/

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Chaltain at Outlook

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Subject: RE: New hand gestures on Apple watch

Hi. Are these new hand gestures available on watch series 4? I'm running the 
latest ios and watch os on a series 4 and can't find any reference to them 
under voice over settings.

Chris Judge


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Barr
Sent: October 12, 2021 7:44 PM
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Subject: Re: New hand gestures on Apple watch

Thank you Richard. 
I am running watch OS 8 and IOS 15 but can't get these to work. Will have to 
keep playing with that. Thank you for the explanation! 
Jen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2021, at 8:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I can't understand this message, so let me just provide some more 
> information.
> 
> It seems that I need to toggle on hand gestures in the VoiceOver settings on 
> my Apple Watch. You might need to do this through the Watch app on your 
> iPhone. That might have been what got it working for me. Note I have an Apple 
> Watch SE. You also need to be running WatchOS 8 and IOS 15.
> 
> Now after you wake up your Apple Watch, say by pressing the crown, you can 
> enable hand gestures with a double clench. This means make a fist twice 
> quickly with the same hand your watch is on. Once it's enabled you can move 
> from item to item with the pinch and double pinch gestures. This is the same 
> as swiping on the face of your watch, but you're not touching your watch and 
> your using the fingers on the same hand your watch is on. So for example, if 
> I pinch my pointer and thumb together, I'll hear Mindfulness and with another 
> pinch I'll hear Workout and then the time. These are the objects on my watch 
> face. A double pinch will move me back an item, so say from the time to 
> Workout and then to Mindfulness. To activate the item I just heard VoiceOver 
> announce, I just need to do a clench, that means make a fist with the hand my 
> watch is on. This way I can work with my watch without having to touch the 
> screen.
> 
> I hope that helps explains things a bit.
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 6:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New hand gestures on Apple watch
> 
> Sorry but I'm missing something ere,
> 
> You ae tese gestures atiated and you an use your and to enable different 
> tings on your wat?
> 
> Tat is something I missed alogn te way,
> 
> I 'll ae to ek tis out.
> Please keep us more informed wit tis one.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2021 11:54 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New hand gestures on Apple watch
> 
> I am running Watch OS 8. Under Settings -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> Hand 
> Gestures, I have them toggled on. Under Settings -> Accessibility -> 
> Assistive Touch (which is in the Motor section) the option to toggle this on 
> is greyed out.
> 
> I'm not sure what I just did, but they just started working with the above 
> settings. Using the defaults, when the watch face is active, I can enable 
> hand gestures with a double clench. A clench is making a fist, so if I do 
> this twice then hand gestures are enabled. To move from item to the next 
> item, I can perform a pinch gesture by just touching my pointer finger to my 
> thumb. A double pinch moves backwards. A clench performs a double tap on 
> whatever has focus and the double clench simulates a press of the crown. I'm 
> still playing with it, and I haven't determined how useful they are yet, but 
> I'm intrigued.
> 
> You can learn more by going to
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Question about Apple watch, series 7

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


So I am wanting to upgrade my watch. I currently have a series 5. I am 
interested in the series 6.



However, when I was looking on the Apple store, the series 7 seems 
cheaper. I don't know why this is the case. But if this is accurate, 
thththen I will likely upgrade to the series 7.



So here is my question.

Are the series 7 watches only 41 MM, or 45 MM cases?

I have a 40 MM case now, and I would like to stick with this, if at all 
possible. Only, because I have the Melanese loop band.



Any thoughts, or suggestions are much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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Email Notification Off?

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Hi, Group.

How can I turn email notification off on iPhone8 and iPad Mini, please?

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Re: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

[Donna Casteen]

Sieghard, I think that everyone needs to go & buy an iPhone 11. LOL!! The bugs 
listed so far: The app switcher bug, the wallet app bug, Siri not responding on 
the lock screen  (Not refering to asking for messages, emails, phone calls to 
be read. I don't use Siri for these things.)& now the app store update app bug. 
I'm not experiencing any of these bugs. The only bug I'm experiencing is the 
Screen Grabber bug in the mail app, which prevents draft emails that have a 
recipient address from being able to be deleted, unless the draft email is sent 
to oneself.

Donna
 
> 
> Another bug I can't reproduce. Maybe you can explain this more?
> For example, just now I checked and I have 8 app updates. On my home screen 
> it says "App Store, 8 updates available"
> When I open the App Store and go to my account just before the first update I 
> get "Update All, 8"
> If I tap this "Update All, 8 button and keep focus on it, I hear Voiceover 
> repeat it every time an app finishes installing and it goes down to 7, 6, 5 
> etc.
> The same is true on my home screen, if I go back to my home screen after 
> tapping Update All and put focus on the App Store app, I'll hear Voiceover 
> speak App Store, 7 updates available, App Store, 6 updates available etc.
> Is that what you mean or am I misunderstanding what you are describing?
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> Hi Folks 
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> Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug and 
> please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic one but 
> it is a bug.
> 
> Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be 
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> first shown update is linkedin.
> And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully updated 
> and see there, I stil have 7 apps to update so the digit 6 should appear but 
> stays on 7 and this is eventually a bug so report this to accessibility.
> Davy 
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Re: [iDevices] voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

[Donna Casteen]

I'm not seeing this bug. I too, update apps manually. Using your example, once 
I go down the list of apps & tap to update, while the app download shows 0% the 
number of apps needing updating does not change from 7 to 6 until an app has 
fully been updated & moved into the Recently Updated appp list.

Donna


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> Hi Folks 
> 
> Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug and
> please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic one but
> it is a bug.
> 
> Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be
> updated, for me now I update them manually so I have 7 apps to go and my
> first shown update is linkedin.
> And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully updated
> and see there, I stil have 7 apps to update so the digit 6 should appear but
> stays on 7 and this is eventually a bug so report this to accessibility.
> Davy 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

[davycuppens]

Sieghard your explanation is fully correct the bug only exists by updating 
manually.
Davy 

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Verzonden: woensdag 13 oktober 2021 18:06
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Onderwerp: RE: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

Another bug I can't reproduce. Maybe you can explain this more?
For example, just now I checked and I have 8 app updates. On my home screen it 
says "App Store, 8 updates available"
When I open the App Store and go to my account just before the first update I 
get "Update All, 8"
If I tap this "Update All, 8 button and keep focus on it, I hear Voiceover 
repeat it every time an app finishes installing and it goes down to 7, 6, 5 etc.
The same is true on my home screen, if I go back to my home screen after 
tapping Update All and put focus on the App Store app, I'll hear Voiceover 
speak App Store, 7 updates available, App Store, 6 updates available etc.
Is that what you mean or am I misunderstanding what you are describing?

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Hi Folks 

Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug and 
please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic one but it 
is a bug.

Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be 
updated, for me now I update them manually so I have 7 apps to go and my first 
shown update is linkedin.
And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully updated 
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Re: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

[Diane Giannetti]

iMessage sent out before I wanted it to instead of it saying I’ll let you know 
when each one is done, I wanted to say and went to correct it but it sent, I 
like that it lets me know when each one is done.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Oct 13, 2021, at 3:00 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
> That’s exactly what mine does it goes  Eight, Eight, seven, six, five, etc. 
> I don’t think that’s a bug. I’ll let you know when each one is done.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2021, at 12:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Another bug I can't reproduce. Maybe you can explain this more?
>> For example, just now I checked and I have 8 app updates. On my home screen 
>> it says "App Store, 8 updates available"
>> When I open the App Store and go to my account just before the first update 
>> I get "Update All, 8"
>> If I tap this "Update All, 8 button and keep focus on it, I hear Voiceover 
>> repeat it every time an app finishes installing and it goes down to 7, 6, 5 
>> etc.
>> The same is true on my home screen, if I go back to my home screen after 
>> tapping Update All and put focus on the App Store app, I'll hear Voiceover 
>> speak App Store, 7 updates available, App Store, 6 updates available etc.
>> Is that what you mean or am I misunderstanding what you are describing?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> davycupp...@gmail.com
>> Sent: October 13, 2021 8:57 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Folks 
>> 
>> Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug and 
>> please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic one but 
>> it is a bug.
>> 
>> Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be 
>> updated, for me now I update them manually so I have 7 apps to go and my 
>> first shown update is linkedin.
>> And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully updated 
>> and see there, I stil have 7 apps to update so the digit 6 should appear but 
>> stays on 7 and this is eventually a bug so report this to accessibility.
>> Davy 
>> 
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Re: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

[Diane Giannetti]

That’s exactly what mine does it goes  Eight, Eight, seven, six, five, etc. I 
don’t think that’s a bug. I’ll let you know when each one is done.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Oct 13, 2021, at 12:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Another bug I can't reproduce. Maybe you can explain this more?
> For example, just now I checked and I have 8 app updates. On my home screen 
> it says "App Store, 8 updates available"
> When I open the App Store and go to my account just before the first update I 
> get "Update All, 8"
> If I tap this "Update All, 8 button and keep focus on it, I hear Voiceover 
> repeat it every time an app finishes installing and it goes down to 7, 6, 5 
> etc.
> The same is true on my home screen, if I go back to my home screen after 
> tapping Update All and put focus on the App Store app, I'll hear Voiceover 
> speak App Store, 7 updates available, App Store, 6 updates available etc.
> Is that what you mean or am I misunderstanding what you are describing?
> 
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore
> 
> 
> Hi Folks 
> 
> Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug and 
> please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic one but 
> it is a bug.
> 
> Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be 
> updated, for me now I update them manually so I have 7 apps to go and my 
> first shown update is linkedin.
> And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully updated 
> and see there, I stil have 7 apps to update so the digit 6 should appear but 
> stays on 7 and this is eventually a bug so report this to accessibility.
> Davy 
> 
> 
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Re: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

[Ken Brown]

I have seen the same thing happen what see how it says all is correct if you 
click on the download all it will countdown but if you individually go in and 
update it will remain at the same number it does not change it stays whatever 
that number is seven or eight or whatever but if you click on the download all 
yes it will count them down to zero

Sent from my iPhone

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> Hi Folks 
> 
> Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug and
> please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic one but
> it is a bug.
> 
> Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be
> updated, for me now I update them manually so I have 7 apps to go and my
> first shown update is linkedin.
> And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully updated
> and see there, I stil have 7 apps to update so the digit 6 should appear but
> stays on 7 and this is eventually a bug so report this to accessibility.
> Davy 
> 
> 
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Re: Query relating to Bluetooth speakers

[Duane Steele]

A postscript to your texts about Bluetooth speakers and VO for those wanting to 
know is that most Bose bluetooth speakers do not change at all when going to 
more info and clicking on speaker, but continue to play VO through the speaker. 
Anyone contemplating purchasing a Bose unit should be aware of this in case 
there's some concern about playing VO through speaker or iPhone. Those wanting 
this feature to be consistent with voiceOver going through the phone and 
everything else through the speaker may wish to check out other brands.
 

> 
> On Oct 13, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> This can vary quite a bit between Bluetooth speaker brands, so not knowing 
> your brand, which is fine as I certainly do not know about all brands, but 
> with some brands, in Bluetooth settings, when you flick up to more info on 
> the speaker in question, and double tap, there is an option to change the 
> type to speaker, which in theory puts VoiceOver on your phone speaker and all 
> other things like music and videos through the Bluetooth speaker.
> 
> If VO is stopping speaking, you might also try toggling VoiceOVer on and off 
> if that is easier than turning the speaker on and off.
> 
> Again, the above is in theory, not all speakers behave as they ought.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> - Jane Wagner
> 
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> 
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> chimthanawala
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> 
> Hi all,
> I recently purchased a Bluetooth speaker. Have the following queries while 
> pairing it with my XR:
> 1. How do I ensure that voice over speaks through the phone and the apps play 
> through the speaker?
> 2. When I am playing any video/ audio in any app say Youtube and in between 
> the app if I go back to the Home screen, voice over stops speking. Only 
> option left is to start stop the speaker.
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Re: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

[Gerardo Corripio]

Please explain because here, the app updat update badge works as always. Have 
you restarted the phone, just in case?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 13 oct 2021, a la(s) 11:06 a.m., Sieghard Weitzel  
> escribió:
> 
> Another bug I can't reproduce. Maybe you can explain this more?
> For example, just now I checked and I have 8 app updates. On my home screen 
> it says "App Store, 8 updates available"
> When I open the App Store and go to my account just before the first update I 
> get "Update All, 8"
> If I tap this "Update All, 8 button and keep focus on it, I hear Voiceover 
> repeat it every time an app finishes installing and it goes down to 7, 6, 5 
> etc.
> The same is true on my home screen, if I go back to my home screen after 
> tapping Update All and put focus on the App Store app, I'll hear Voiceover 
> speak App Store, 7 updates available, App Store, 6 updates available etc.
> Is that what you mean or am I misunderstanding what you are describing?
> 
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore
> 
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> 
> Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug and 
> please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic one but 
> it is a bug.
> 
> Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be 
> updated, for me now I update them manually so I have 7 apps to go and my 
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> And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully updated 
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RE: hey siri

[Paula Jordan]

I went back through my siri settings and fixed the problem.  I believe you call 
that iphone operator error!  SMILE!
God bless!
Paula and the pups

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 12:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: hey siri

Paula, try asking something you don't need to know, like how far is it to 
Dallas, then asking what you really want to know. 

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Paula Jordan
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: hey siri

Hey Siri seemed to work on 15.01, but not on 15.2.

Interesting.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

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RE: voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Another bug I can't reproduce. Maybe you can explain this more?
For example, just now I checked and I have 8 app updates. On my home screen it 
says "App Store, 8 updates available"
When I open the App Store and go to my account just before the first update I 
get "Update All, 8"
If I tap this "Update All, 8 button and keep focus on it, I hear Voiceover 
repeat it every time an app finishes installing and it goes down to 7, 6, 5 etc.
The same is true on my home screen, if I go back to my home screen after 
tapping Update All and put focus on the App Store app, I'll hear Voiceover 
speak App Store, 7 updates available, App Store, 6 updates available etc.
Is that what you mean or am I misunderstanding what you are describing?

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Hi Folks 

Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug and 
please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic one but it 
is a bug.

Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be 
updated, for me now I update them manually so I have 7 apps to go and my first 
shown update is linkedin.
And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully updated 
and see there, I stil have 7 apps to update so the digit 6 should appear but 
stays on 7 and this is eventually a bug so report this to accessibility.
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voa] confirmed bug in the update section of the appstore

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Hi Folks 

Thanks to a friend of mine I can confirm and reproduce a new unknow bug and
please DO ALL REPORT TO accessibil...@apple.com it is not a dramatic one but
it is a bug.

Go into the appstore, go to your account and see what apps are ready to be
updated, for me now I update them manually so I have 7 apps to go and my
first shown update is linkedin.
And now the bug appears: after half a minute linkedin has been fully updated
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Re: IOS 15.0.2 is out

[Michael McKay]

I believe that somebody was mentioning Richard that it was the Wallet app on 
the iPhone that was causing some trouble. I believe I checked it out earlier 
the other day when it first started coming out again and they were saying that 
the Wallet app on the iPhone is still causing some issues and other than that 
I’m not sure I just glazed over it myself with my voiceover on the phone and 
also my

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2021, at 12:42, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m late in this topic as I stopped reading all the messages with the subject 
> 15.0.2 is out; as that subject line doesn’t involve specific bugs.
> So, I have no idea what bug was reported that you say can be reproduced by 
> everyone.
>  
> Please, start a brand new message with the subject line related to the bug.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
> – Jane Wagner
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>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> davycupp...@gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 8:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 15.0.2 is out
>  
> And there are still coming more and more small bugs as we discover them 
> hahahaha this bug I reported can be reproduced by everyone and no this is not 
> a drama but the bug must be reported.
>  
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard 
> Weitzel
> Verzonden: woensdag 13 oktober 2021 7:32
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: IOS 15.0.2 is out
>  
> That is a typical Davy message 
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> davycupp...@gmail.com
> Sent: October 12, 2021 1:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 15.0.2 is out
>  
> As far as I know no bugs are being solved for voiceover even not in the 
> current beta.
> Davy
>  
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens 
> sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
> Verzonden: maandag 11 oktober 2021 21:58
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: IOS 15.0.2 is out
>  
> The wallet crashing bug is still here.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 15.0.2 is out
>  
> You normally don't see bugs being introduced in versions like this.
> These versions fix things and close security gaps.
>  
> On 10/11/2021 12:15 PM, Michael McKay wrote:
> > Hi! Gordon, and List:
> > 
> > I just received this in my email a few minutes ago or rather just found it 
> > in my email a few minutes ago concerning iOS 15.0.2, and that it is out. 
> > I’m wondering if anybody is having any problems that I should be aware of. 
> > So far in all of the iOS downloads that I’ve received I’ve had no problems. 
> > Or at least not much to speak of. I am going to wait another day to make 
> > sure or at least until tonight to make sure and hopefully hear from some 
> > people on the list as to whether there are bugs in this update. Usually it 
> > seems for many people that the bug fixes bring in more bugs, so I want to 
> > be sure that I don’t have any irritations or problems with this update as 
> > well.
> > 
> > Happy Thanksgiving to one and all.
> > Michael G MacKay BA, ‘05.
> > Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >> On Oct 11, 2021, at 14:08, Gordon  wrote:
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> >> It says bug fixes and important security updates.
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RE: IOS 15.0.2 is out

[Richard Turner]

I’m late in this topic as I stopped reading all the messages with the subject 
15.0.2 is out; as that subject line doesn’t involve specific bugs.
So, I have no idea what bug was reported that you say can be reproduced by 
everyone.

Please, start a brand new message with the subject line related to the bug.




Richard
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Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 8:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 15.0.2 is out

And there are still coming more and more small bugs as we discover them 
hahahaha this bug I reported can be reproduced by everyone and no this is not a 
drama but the bug must be reported.

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Namens Sieghard 
Weitzel
Verzonden: woensdag 13 oktober 2021 7:32
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: IOS 15.0.2 is out


That is a typical Davy message 



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davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: October 12, 2021 1:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 15.0.2 is out



As far as I know no bugs are being solved for voiceover even not in the current 
beta.

Davy



-Oorspronkelijk bericht-

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Namens 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com

Verzonden: maandag 11 oktober 2021 21:58

Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com

Onderwerp: RE: IOS 15.0.2 is out



The wallet crashing bug is still here.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Gordon

Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 12:18 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: IOS 15.0.2 is out



You normally don't see bugs being introduced in versions like this.

These versions fix things and close security gaps.



On 10/11/2021 12:15 PM, Michael McKay wrote:

> Hi! Gordon, and List:

>

> I just received this in my email a few minutes ago or rather just found it in 
> my email a few minutes ago concerning iOS 15.0.2, and that it is out. I’m 
> wondering if anybody is having any problems that I should be aware of. So far 
> in all of the iOS downloads that I’ve received I’ve had no problems. Or at 
> least not much to speak of. I am going to wait another day to make sure or at 
> least until tonight to make sure and hopefully hear from some people on the 
> list as to whether there are bugs in this update. Usually it seems for many 
> people that the bug fixes bring in more bugs, so I want to be sure that I 
> don’t have any irritations or problems with this update as well.

>

> Happy Thanksgiving to one and all.

> Michael G MacKay BA, ‘05.

> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 14:08, Gordon 
>> mailto:gor...@gordonradio.com>> wrote:

>>

>> It says bug fixes and important security updates.

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RE: IOS 15.0.2 is out

[davycuppens]

And there are still coming more and more small bugs as we discover them 
hahahaha this bug I reported can be reproduced by everyone and no this is not a 
drama but the bug must be reported.

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: woensdag 13 oktober 2021 7:32
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: IOS 15.0.2 is out

 

That is a typical Davy message 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com  
Sent: October 12, 2021 1:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: IOS 15.0.2 is out

 

As far as I know no bugs are being solved for voiceover even not in the current 
beta.

Davy 

 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-

Van:   viphone@googlegroups.com < 
 viphone@googlegroups.com> Namens  
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com

Verzonden: maandag 11 oktober 2021 21:58

Aan:   viphone@googlegroups.com

Onderwerp: RE: IOS 15.0.2 is out

 

The wallet crashing bug is still here.

 

-Original Message-

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com < 
 viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Gordon

Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 12:18 PM

To:   viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: IOS 15.0.2 is out

 

You normally don't see bugs being introduced in versions like this. 

These versions fix things and close security gaps.

 

On 10/11/2021 12:15 PM, Michael McKay wrote:

> Hi! Gordon, and List:

> 

> I just received this in my email a few minutes ago or rather just found it in 
> my email a few minutes ago concerning iOS 15.0.2, and that it is out. I’m 
> wondering if anybody is having any problems that I should be aware of. So far 
> in all of the iOS downloads that I’ve received I’ve had no problems. Or at 
> least not much to speak of. I am going to wait another day to make sure or at 
> least until tonight to make sure and hopefully hear from some people on the 
> list as to whether there are bugs in this update. Usually it seems for many 
> people that the bug fixes bring in more bugs, so I want to be sure that I 
> don’t have any irritations or problems with this update as well.

> 

> Happy Thanksgiving to one and all.

> Michael G MacKay BA, ‘05.

> Email:   mgmckay1...@gmail.com

> 

> Sent from my iPhone

> 

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>> It says bug fixes and important security updates.

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Re: wallet app crashes

[Chris Chaffin]

Someone posted yesterday that Apple Accessibility told them as a work around, 
you can go into settings, double tap on Wallet, and you will find your cards 
listed. You can then double tap on whatever card you want to see the same 
information that you could see in the wallet app.

Hope this helps.

Chris


> On Oct 13, 2021, at 10:43 AM, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> And how do you get to the exsplore by touch  my touch option question is it 
> somewhere in the menus question so much for nation would be appreciated or do 
> you mean just a swipe around with your finger until you land on the card? 
> Many thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Yes, this is a known issue with the Wallet app and Voiceover. The current 
>> workaround is to use explore by touch and to drag your finger to the card 
>> you want to open instead of flicking to it. After you locate it with explore 
>> by touch double tap on the card you want to view and once the card details 
>> are open you can resume flicking with the normal Voiceover gestures.
>> 
>> I hope this helps,
>> 
>> Ed Worrell
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Oct 13, 2021, at 5:21 AM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep known issue.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Albert Brown
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 4:43 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: wallet app crashes
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Maybe this has already Been Discussed.
>>> When I open the wallet app it keeps crashes, it seemed it happened when I 
>>> updated my iPhone 12.
>>> I would be very grateful For your help.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ALBERT
>>> 
>>> JAWS HOME USE EDITION. VERSION 2021.2107.12
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>>> MICROSOFT WINDOWS
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RE: wallet app crashes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Explore by touch is not an option, it simply means you don't swipe but move 
your finger around on the screen until you find what you are looking for and 
then you double tap.
For example, on the home screen if the first row of apps is App Store, 
Settings, Camera and Photos you can find Camera by touching near the top and 
let's say you land on App Store,  you then swipe right twice to get to Camera 
or instead of swiping you can drag your finger across because one assumes you 
know that the Camera app is in the same row but to the right and then once you 
find it you double tap.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: October 13, 2021 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wallet app crashes

And how do you get to the exsplore by touch  my touch option question is it 
somewhere in the menus question so much for nation would be appreciated or do 
you mean just a swipe around with your finger until you land on the card? Many 
thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Yes, this is a known issue with the Wallet app and Voiceover. The current 
> workaround is to use explore by touch and to drag your finger to the card you 
> want to open instead of flicking to it. After you locate it with explore by 
> touch double tap on the card you want to view and once the card details are 
> open you can resume flicking with the normal Voiceover gestures.
> 
> I hope this helps,
> 
> Ed Worrell
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2021, at 5:21 AM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Yep known issue.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Albert Brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 4:43 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: wallet app crashes
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Maybe this has already Been Discussed.
>> When I open the wallet app it keeps crashes, it seemed it happened when I 
>> updated my iPhone 12.
>> I would be very grateful For your help.
>> 
>> 
>> ALBERT
>> 
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RE: wallet app crashes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

As you pointed out, this has been discussed and was mentioned on Applevis as a 
known bug since the day before iOS 15 was released back in September. Probably 
not much you can do about it if you experience this (not all people do) and 
wait for a fix from apple.
Apparently some users say that if you don't swipe but explore by touch you can 
use the Wallet app.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Albert 
Brown
Sent: October 13, 2021 2:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: wallet app crashes

Hello,
Maybe this has already Been Discussed.
When I open the wallet app it keeps crashes, it seemed it happened when I 
updated my iPhone 12.
 I would be very grateful For your help.


ALBERT

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RE: Query relating to Bluetooth speakers

[Richard Turner]

This can vary quite a bit between Bluetooth speaker brands, so not knowing your 
brand, which is fine as I certainly do not know about all brands, but with some 
brands, in Bluetooth settings, when you flick up to more info on the speaker in 
question, and double tap, there is an option to change the type to speaker, 
which in theory puts VoiceOver on your phone speaker and all other things like 
music and videos through the Bluetooth speaker.

If VO is stopping speaking, you might also try toggling VoiceOVer on and off if 
that is easier than turning the speaker on and off.

Again, the above is in theory, not all speakers behave as they ought.




Richard
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Subject: Query relating to Bluetooth speakers

Hi all,
I recently purchased a Bluetooth speaker. Have the following queries while 
pairing it with my XR:
1. How do I ensure that voice over speaks through the phone and the apps play 
through the speaker?
2. When I am playing any video/ audio in any app say Youtube and in between the 
app if I go back to the Home screen, voice over stops speking. Only option left 
is to start stop the speaker.
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Re: wallet app crashes

[Mich Verrier]

And how do you get to the exsplore by touch  my touch option question is it 
somewhere in the menus question so much for nation would be appreciated or do 
you mean just a swipe around with your finger until you land on the card? Many 
thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Yes, this is a known issue with the Wallet app and Voiceover. The current 
> workaround is to use explore by touch and to drag your finger to the card you 
> want to open instead of flicking to it. After you locate it with explore by 
> touch double tap on the card you want to view and once the card details are 
> open you can resume flicking with the normal Voiceover gestures.
> 
> I hope this helps,
> 
> Ed Worrell
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2021, at 5:21 AM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Yep known issue.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Albert Brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 4:43 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: wallet app crashes
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Maybe this has already Been Discussed.
>> When I open the wallet app it keeps crashes, it seemed it happened when I 
>> updated my iPhone 12.
>> I would be very grateful For your help.
>> 
>> 
>> ALBERT
>> 
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Apple Says iOS is Safer Than Android Because Sideloading Apps Isn't Allowed

[Dennis Long]

Taken from the link at the end of the post.


Apple Says iOS is Safer Than Android Because Sideloading Apps Isn't Allowed


Wednesday October 13, 2021 5:00 am PDT by
 Joe Rossignol

In response to the European Commission's proposed Digital Markets Act, which
could force sideloading of apps on the iPhone in Europe, Apple has
 shared an in-depth document
highlighting the security and privacy risks of sideloading. Sideloading
refers to installing apps outside of the App Store, such as from a website
or a third-party app store.


Apple's document, titled Building a Trusted Ecosystem for Millions of Apps,
states that "mobile malware and the resulting security and privacy threats
are increasingly common and predominantly present on platforms that allow
sideloading." For example, Apple cited Nokia's 2019 and 2020 Threat
Intelligence Reports that found Android devices to have an "estimated 15 to
47 times more infections from malicious software" than iPhones.

Android smartphones are the most common mobile malware targets and have
recently had between 15 and 47 times more infections from malicious software
than iPhone. A study found that 98 percent of mobile malware targets Android
devices. This is closely linked to sideloading: In 2018, for example,
Android devices that installed apps outside Google Play, the official
Android app store, were eight times more likely to be affected by
potentially harmful applications than those that did not.

On the other hand, Apple claimed that malware on iOS is rare and said that
many of the attacks on the platform are "narrowly targeted attacks, often
carried out by nation-states." Apple added that "experts generally agree
that iOS is safer compared to Android, in part because Apple does not
support sideloading."

Apple said if it were forced to allow sideloading, users would be subjected
to more malicious apps and have less control over apps after they download
them onto their devices. Apple added that some proposed sideloading
legislation would also mandate removing protections against third-party
access to proprietary hardware elements and non-public operating system
functions, resulting in security and privacy risks for users.

Apple added that even users who don't wish to sideload and prefer to
download apps only from the App Store would be harmed if sideloading were
required, as some users may have no choice other than sideloading an app
they need for work, school, or other essential reasons. In addition, Apple
said criminals may trick users into sideloading apps by mimicking the
appearance of the App Store or by advertising free or exclusive features.

Apple touched on many of these arguments
 in a similar document shared back in June. Apple CEO Tim Cook
previously claimed that sideloading apps "
 would destroy the security of the iPhone" and "a lot of the privacy
initiatives that we've built into the App Store."

 
 Apple's document goes on to
provide examples of common malware affecting mobile platforms like Android
and makes more arguments against sideloading.

Apple has faced increasing scrutiny over its App Store, which remains the
only place to install apps on the iPhone and iPad, excluding devices that
have been jailbroken. Fortnite creator Epic Games sued Apple last year for
anticompetitive conduct, but it was unsuccessful in getting the court to
force Apple to allow third-party app stores on iOS.

Tags:   App Store,
 Apple privacy

 

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/13/apple-says-sideloading-makes-android-le
ss-safe/

 

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Re: wallet app crashes

[Ed Worrell]

Hello,

Yes, this is a known issue with the Wallet app and Voiceover. The current 
workaround is to use explore by touch and to drag your finger to the card you 
want to open instead of flicking to it. After you locate it with explore by 
touch double tap on the card you want to view and once the card details are 
open you can resume flicking with the normal Voiceover gestures.

I hope this helps,

Ed Worrell

  

> On Oct 13, 2021, at 5:21 AM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Yep known issue.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Albert 
> Brown
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 4:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: wallet app crashes
> 
> Hello,
> Maybe this has already Been Discussed.
> When I open the wallet app it keeps crashes, it seemed it happened when I 
> updated my iPhone 12.
> I would be very grateful For your help.
> 
> 
> ALBERT
> 
> JAWS HOME USE EDITION. VERSION 2021.2107.12
> 
> MICROSOFT WINDOWS
> VERSION 21h1 (OS BUILD 19043.1237)
> 
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RE: Caller ID.

[Carolyn]

Yes, that makes sense. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 7:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID.

Hi Carolyn,

 

How do you mean

 

If you get a call,

 

You could always flick across to see the callers name on the screen by  
highlighting it,

 

That’s probably the best / simplist way to find the names.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2021 6:15 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Caller ID.

 

Is it possible to get the phone to announce the caller twice on an 11? Thanks. 

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RE: Question about pluggable foldable Bluetooth keyboard

[Johna Gravitt]

Thanks

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 8:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about pluggable foldable Bluetooth keyboard

Go to settings, accessibility, VoiceOver, typing and you will find it there. 
You can choose between caps lock and control plus option keys. Hope this helps.

Jenn and Kumi


On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:29 AM, Johna Gravitt 
mailto:jgrav...@benderconsult.com>> wrote:

Thank you, that’s helpful.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 4:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about pluggable foldable Bluetooth keyboard

I know on the iPhone you have to go in to voice over settings and designate the 
caps lock as the VO key in order for this to work.


Chris Judge




From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Robert 
Hill
Sent: October 12, 2021 5:02 AM
To: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Question about pluggable foldable Bluetooth keyboard

Well, I'm not sure with a iPhone keyboard, but on the Macintosh, you can just 
hold down the caps lock key and press the key you want to use, just like 
holding the "control-option" key combination for the Voiceover keys.

If I'm wrong, I apologize for passing incorrect info.

Bob Hill


On Oct 11, 2021, at 7:46 AM, Johna Gravitt 
mailto:jgrav...@benderconsult.com>> wrote:

How would I change the caps lock to be my vo key?


From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 5:07 AM
To: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Question about pluggable foldable Bluetooth keyboard

Hi all,

With VoiceOver, on a regular keyboard you can also use CAPSlock as the VO key, 
don't know if the keyboard you're talking about has caps lock, but it might be 
worth a try.

Bob Hill



On Oct 10, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I’m not familiar with this keyboard, but you want to hold down the control and 
options keys in conjunction with other keys. The control+options keys held down 
together is called the VO key. You can also turn on quick navigation by holding 
down the left and right arrow keys at the same time. This will let you do a lot 
without having to use the VO key. Richard’s web page has a lot of good 
resources. It’s at Richard Turner's Home Page 
(turner42.com)

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From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Johna Gravitt
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 10:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question about pluggable foldable Bluetooth keyboard

Hello,
Just wondering if anyone on this list has used or uses a pluggable foldable 
Bluetooth keyboard with their iPhone?
I can’t seem to remember what the keyboard commands is to use VO commands.  
Right now when my phone is connected, I can swipe to things on my phone but I 
cannot activate anything with double tap gestures using the keyboard.  I can 
type into search fields and if I use the up and down arrows I can activate the 
context menus but can’t activate anything.  I’ve actually even tried using 
space bar and the enter key as I would on a laptop keyboard but if memory 
serves there are actual keyboard commands to evoke VO functions when using a 
blue tooth keyboard.
Any help would be appreciated.
Johna

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RE: Query relating to Bluetooth speakers

[Christopher Chaltain]

To determine whether VoiceOver comes through the Bluetooth speaker or your 
iPhone just make sure audio destination is in the VoiceOver roter and then you 
can twist to audio destination in your roter and flick up and down to determine 
where VoiceOver output will be going.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of turab 
chimthanawala
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 6:07 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Query relating to Bluetooth speakers

Hi all,
I recently purchased a Bluetooth speaker. Have the following queries while 
pairing it with my XR:
1. How do I ensure that voice over speaks through the phone and the apps play 
through the speaker?
2. When I am playing any video/ audio in any app say Youtube and in between the 
app if I go back to the Home screen, voice over stops speking. Only option left 
is to start stop the speaker.
Thanks
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RE: New hand gestures on Apple watch

[Christopher Chaltain]

No, they're only supported on the Series 6 and the SE. Here's a link I posted 
earlier in this thread with this and more information 
https://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-use-assistivetouch-on-apple-watch/

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 5:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New hand gestures on Apple watch

Hi. Are these new hand gestures available on watch series 4? I'm running the 
latest ios and watch os on a series 4 and can't find any reference to them 
under voice over settings.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenifer 
Barr
Sent: October 12, 2021 7:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New hand gestures on Apple watch

Thank you Richard. 
I am running watch OS 8 and IOS 15 but can't get these to work. Will have to 
keep playing with that. Thank you for the explanation! 
Jen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2021, at 8:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I can't understand this message, so let me just provide some more 
> information.
> 
> It seems that I need to toggle on hand gestures in the VoiceOver settings on 
> my Apple Watch. You might need to do this through the Watch app on your 
> iPhone. That might have been what got it working for me. Note I have an Apple 
> Watch SE. You also need to be running WatchOS 8 and IOS 15.
> 
> Now after you wake up your Apple Watch, say by pressing the crown, you can 
> enable hand gestures with a double clench. This means make a fist twice 
> quickly with the same hand your watch is on. Once it's enabled you can move 
> from item to item with the pinch and double pinch gestures. This is the same 
> as swiping on the face of your watch, but you're not touching your watch and 
> your using the fingers on the same hand your watch is on. So for example, if 
> I pinch my pointer and thumb together, I'll hear Mindfulness and with another 
> pinch I'll hear Workout and then the time. These are the objects on my watch 
> face. A double pinch will move me back an item, so say from the time to 
> Workout and then to Mindfulness. To activate the item I just heard VoiceOver 
> announce, I just need to do a clench, that means make a fist with the hand my 
> watch is on. This way I can work with my watch without having to touch the 
> screen.
> 
> I hope that helps explains things a bit.
> 
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> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 6:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New hand gestures on Apple watch
> 
> Sorry but I'm missing something ere,
> 
> You ae tese gestures atiated and you an use your and to enable different 
> tings on your wat?
> 
> Tat is something I missed alogn te way,
> 
> I 'll ae to ek tis out.
> Please keep us more informed wit tis one.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2021 11:54 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New hand gestures on Apple watch
> 
> I am running Watch OS 8. Under Settings -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> Hand 
> Gestures, I have them toggled on. Under Settings -> Accessibility -> 
> Assistive Touch (which is in the Motor section) the option to toggle this on 
> is greyed out.
> 
> I'm not sure what I just did, but they just started working with the above 
> settings. Using the defaults, when the watch face is active, I can enable 
> hand gestures with a double clench. A clench is making a fist, so if I do 
> this twice then hand gestures are enabled. To move from item to the next 
> item, I can perform a pinch gesture by just touching my pointer finger to my 
> thumb. A double pinch moves backwards. A clench performs a double tap on 
> whatever has focus and the double clench simulates a press of the crown. I'm 
> still playing with it, and I haven't determined how useful they are yet, but 
> I'm intrigued.
> 
> You can learn more by going to
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.i
> %2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C620d326ef99440dfd06308d98e3235e0%7C84df9e7fe
> 9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637697168566845913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpb
> GZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0
> %3D%7C1000sdata=iVNOJPYyopubkl43c1gFPXOG%2ByvL3HiddVwE6ghF4HA%3D&
> amp;reserved=0
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> a%7C1%7C0%7C637695902985387895%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjo
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> ;sdata=zF1%2F0K%2F%2FQBojhTNBO%2BkpZJYFipGKMPTnxVG6u0njDYs%3Drese
> rved=0
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> 
> -Original 

Re: IOS 15.0.2 is out

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I'm not exactly thrilled at how my iPhone has worked since I updated
to 15 either.  However, a lot of my recent issues I was having with my
iPhone, were due to me not knowing what I was doing and messing up
some settings on my iPhone itself, not due to any update.  I know the
newer updates will address some of the issues with Siri that a lot of
us are having.  It is only common sense.  Also, one of my major
problems with my iPhone is just due to not a lot of space on my phone
itself.  Noone is at fault at all for that but me.

On 10/13/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> That is a typical Davy message 
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> davycupp...@gmail.com
> Sent: October 12, 2021 1:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 15.0.2 is out
>
>
>
> As far as I know no bugs are being solved for voiceover even not in the
> current beta.
>
> Davy
>
>
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Namens
> sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
>
> Verzonden: maandag 11 oktober 2021 21:58
>
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Onderwerp: RE: IOS 15.0.2 is out
>
>
>
> The wallet crashing bug is still here.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Gordon
>
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 12:18 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: IOS 15.0.2 is out
>
>
>
> You normally don't see bugs being introduced in versions like this.
>
> These versions fix things and close security gaps.
>
>
>
> On 10/11/2021 12:15 PM, Michael McKay wrote:
>
>> Hi! Gordon, and List:
>
>>
>
>> I just received this in my email a few minutes ago or rather just found it
>> in my email a few minutes ago concerning iOS 15.0.2, and that it is out.
>> I’m wondering if anybody is having any problems that I should be aware of.
>> So far in all of the iOS downloads that I’ve received I’ve had no
>> problems. Or at least not much to speak of. I am going to wait another day
>> to make sure or at least until tonight to make sure and hopefully hear
>> from some people on the list as to whether there are bugs in this update.
>> Usually it seems for many people that the bug fixes bring in more bugs, so
>> I want to be sure that I don’t have any irritations or problems with this
>> update as well.
>
>>
>
>> Happy Thanksgiving to one and all.
>
>> Michael G MacKay BA, ‘05.
>
>> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
>
>>
>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>
>
>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 14:08, Gordon
>>> mailto:gor...@gordonradio.com>> wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>> It says bug fixes and important security updates.
>
>>>
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RE: wallet app crashes

[sarai.bucciarelli]

Yep known issue.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Albert 
Brown
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 4:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: wallet app crashes

Hello,
Maybe this has already Been Discussed.
When I open the wallet app it keeps crashes, it seemed it happened when I 
updated my iPhone 12.
 I would be very grateful For your help.


ALBERT

JAWS HOME USE EDITION. VERSION 2021.2107.12

MICROSOFT WINDOWS
VERSION 21h1 (OS BUILD 19043.1237)


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Query relating to Bluetooth speakers

[turab chimthanawala]

Hi all,
I recently purchased a Bluetooth speaker. Have the following queries
while pairing it with my XR:
1. How do I ensure that voice over speaks through the phone and the
apps play through the speaker?
2. When I am playing any video/ audio in any app say Youtube and in
between the app if I go back to the Home screen, voice over stops
speking. Only option left is to start stop the speaker.
Thanks
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(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
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RE: New hand gestures on Apple watch

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. Are these new hand gestures available on watch series 4? I'm running the 
latest ios and watch os on a series 4 and can't find any reference to them 
under voice over settings.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenifer 
Barr
Sent: October 12, 2021 7:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New hand gestures on Apple watch

Thank you Richard. 
I am running watch OS 8 and IOS 15 but can't get these to work. Will have to 
keep playing with that. Thank you for the explanation! 
Jen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2021, at 8:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I can't understand this message, so let me just provide some more 
> information.
> 
> It seems that I need to toggle on hand gestures in the VoiceOver settings on 
> my Apple Watch. You might need to do this through the Watch app on your 
> iPhone. That might have been what got it working for me. Note I have an Apple 
> Watch SE. You also need to be running WatchOS 8 and IOS 15.
> 
> Now after you wake up your Apple Watch, say by pressing the crown, you can 
> enable hand gestures with a double clench. This means make a fist twice 
> quickly with the same hand your watch is on. Once it's enabled you can move 
> from item to item with the pinch and double pinch gestures. This is the same 
> as swiping on the face of your watch, but you're not touching your watch and 
> your using the fingers on the same hand your watch is on. So for example, if 
> I pinch my pointer and thumb together, I'll hear Mindfulness and with another 
> pinch I'll hear Workout and then the time. These are the objects on my watch 
> face. A double pinch will move me back an item, so say from the time to 
> Workout and then to Mindfulness. To activate the item I just heard VoiceOver 
> announce, I just need to do a clench, that means make a fist with the hand my 
> watch is on. This way I can work with my watch without having to touch the 
> screen.
> 
> I hope that helps explains things a bit.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 6:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New hand gestures on Apple watch
> 
> Sorry but I'm missing something ere,
> 
> You ae tese gestures atiated and you an use your and to enable different 
> tings on your wat?
> 
> Tat is something I missed alogn te way,
> 
> I 'll ae to ek tis out.
> Please keep us more informed wit tis one.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2021 11:54 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New hand gestures on Apple watch
> 
> I am running Watch OS 8. Under Settings -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> Hand 
> Gestures, I have them toggled on. Under Settings -> Accessibility -> 
> Assistive Touch (which is in the Motor section) the option to toggle this on 
> is greyed out.
> 
> I'm not sure what I just did, but they just started working with the above 
> settings. Using the defaults, when the watch face is active, I can enable 
> hand gestures with a double clench. A clench is making a fist, so if I do 
> this twice then hand gestures are enabled. To move from item to the next 
> item, I can perform a pinch gesture by just touching my pointer finger to my 
> thumb. A double pinch moves backwards. A clench performs a double tap on 
> whatever has focus and the double clench simulates a press of the crown. I'm 
> still playing with it, and I haven't determined how useful they are yet, but 
> I'm intrigued.
> 
> You can learn more by going to 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.i
> geeksblog.com%2Fhow-to-use-assistivetouch-on-apple-watch%2Fdata=0
> 4%7C01%7C%7C44eb193841ef4b37811408d98d0b8b60%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaa
> a%7C1%7C0%7C637695902985387895%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjo
> iMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000
> ;sdata=zF1%2F0K%2F%2FQBojhTNBO%2BkpZJYFipGKMPTnxVG6u0njDYs%3Drese
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> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 5:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New hand gestures on Apple watch
> 
> I believe that in order to use the new gestures, you have to enable Assistive 
> Touch in WatchOS 8. If you have not updated your watch to version 8 of the 
> operating system, then these new gestures will not work.
> 
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
>> On 10/10/21, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> I'm also curious if anyone has had any success with these gestures.
>> 
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>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Ian Harrison
>> Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 7:50 AM
>> To: 

wallet app crashes

[Albert Brown]

Hello,
Maybe this has already Been Discussed.
When I open the wallet app it keeps crashes, it seemed it happened when I
updated my iPhone 12.
 I would be very grateful For your help.


ALBERT

JAWS HOME USE EDITION. VERSION 2021.2107.12

MICROSOFT WINDOWS
VERSION 21h1 (OS BUILD 19043.1237)


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Re: Sheet Grabber?

[Mich Verrier]

I also would like to know what the she crab ass I’ve noticed it when I’m trying 
to reply to messages or even compose a evenI also would like to know what the 
she crab ass I’ve noticed it when I’m trying to reply to messages or you can 
even compose a message or email many things I’ve noticed it since the upgrade 
to iOS 15 from mich

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> When I open various shared notes, I keep hearing VoiceOver say sheet grabber 
> and I can do nothing with the note until that somehow disappears. Does 
> anybody know what this sheet grabber is?
> Thanks
> Harry
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Sheet Grabber?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

When I open various shared notes, I keep hearing VoiceOver say sheet grabber 
and I can do nothing with the note until that somehow disappears. Does anybody 
know what this sheet grabber is?
Thanks
Harry

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