RE: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

[Dennis Long]

That has been an issue since iOS 17.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 4:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen
 
I just updated to 18 and all is fine. When my phone restarted after the update, 
I had the Samantha voice for a couple minutes, then my reid from elrquence came 
back.
Sent from Joshua’s radical chariot!!!



On Sep 16, 2024, at 3:37 PM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jccacc...@gmail.com> > wrote:
What voice were you using before the upgrade? I haven’t seen this either with 
my iPhone SE 2nd gen.
 



On Sep 16, 2024, at 4:08 PM, Dan mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  It is 
so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change the 
voice.  that did nothing to fix it.
 
I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it 
started the static again.
 
I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 17.7.
 
Anyone else having this issue yet?
 
Thanks.
 
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iOS 18 and iPadOS 18 Accessibility: A Summary of VoiceOver and braille issues and improvements

[Dennis Long]

iOS 18 and iPadOS 18 Accessibility: A Summary of VoiceOver and braille
issues and improvements
Apple will publicly release iOS 18 and iPadOS 18 on Monday, September 16,
2024. This post contains a summary of new bugs impacting VoiceOver and
braille
support that we have identified during testing of these releases. We have
also included details on preexisting bugs that our testing suggests have
been
fixed in iOS 18 and iPadOS 18.
As is our routine practice, each newly identified bug has been given a
severity rating. These ratings are based upon what we believe to be the
implications
for accessing and using features and functionality for the average user; the
level of impact on the overall user experience; and whether or not there is
an effective workaround for the issue. However, as these ratings are
subjective, it is very possible that they may not reflect your own opinion
or use
case.
With our small team, it is impossible to test every device, configuration,
app, and use case. We do not claim that our bug list is definitive or that
our
assessments are infallible. Some issues may manifest only under specific
conditions. You likely will not experience every bug that we list, and you
likely
will not agree with every severity rating for the bugs on our list that you
do experience. And as is the nature with all software, it is also likely
that
you will encounter issues that we did not experience during our own testing.
We strongly recommend reading this full post and replies before updating to
iOS 18 and iPadOS 18. This will help you make an informed decision on
whether
to install iOS 18 and iPadOS 18 when they become available or to wait for a
future release.
To ensure the information here is as complete and accurate as possible, we
would appreciate input from those who have installed iOS 18 or iPadOS 18.
Please
confirm if you are encountering the same problems listed or if you have
found workarounds. Please also let us know about any additional issues not
mentioned
here. Of course, it is even more important that you report any new bugs
directly to Apple - they are already aware of the ones listed here. 
For an explanation of why and how to report bugs to Apple, see this post.
With all of the preamble out of the way, here are the new bugs for VoiceOver
and braille users which we believe to be present in iOS 18 and iPadOS 18:
Serious Bugs
At the time of publication, we have not independently identified any bugs in
iOS 18 that we would classify as 'serious'. We encourage readers to review
all replies to this post, in the event that community experiences differ
from our own. We will also be reviewing and replicating bug reports shared
on
the AppleVis website in the coming days and will update this section
accordingly if any serious bugs are identified.
Moderate Bugs
list of 6 items
• When using the new 'When Speaking' Audio Ducking option in iOS 18,
VoiceOver volume can change randomly.
 The other Audio Ducking options ('Off' and 'Always') work as expected.
• When rearranging items in the Control Center (a feature new in iOS 18)
using the VoiceOver rotor, the "Drop" actions do nothing when selected, with
controls
remaining in their original locations despite VoiceOver reporting "drop
complete."
 To move a control, once in Edit Mode, double-tap and hold on the control;
then move it to where you want it to be.
• When encountering a precipitation chart in the Weather app, there is a
delay between swiping left or right and hearing VoiceOver speak the contents
of
the focused element.
 In some cases, after swiping several times, VoiceOver focus may move to the
"Show map" button near the bottom of the screen. To get past the
precipitation
chart, set the VoiceOver Rotor to 'Containers' and swipe down to another
container, such as hourly forecast.
• There are multiple issues with button labeling in the redesigned iOS 18
Photos app.
• When reviewing notifications on the Lock Screen, VoiceOver always speaks
"Collapsed Stack" even when there is only a single notification.
• When focused on a contact or phone number in the 'Recent' tab of the Phone
app, selecting the 'Call' option in the VoiceOver Rotor has no effect.
 We recommend that users utilize the 'Activate' Rotor option, as 'Call' is
the default action.
list end
Minor Bugs
Other Issues
list of 1 items
• While we are unsure if this is specifically related to the use of
VoiceOver, one of our team reports that sounds do not play consistently when
a notification
is received. A Feedback report has been submitted regarding this issue. Even
if the issue is unrelated to VoiceOver, we mention it here as sounds play
a critical role in the user experience for many blind or visually impaired
users.
list end
VoiceOver and Braille Improvements in iOS 18 and iPadOS 18
Our testing suggests that the following pre-existing accessibility bugs have
been resolved or significantly addressed in iOS 17 and iPadOS 17:
In Closing
Our team has compiled lists of new accessibility bugs for every m

Re: When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch

[Dennis Long]

Smaller is going away. Sorry to say. Touch id is also going away. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn Sep 10, 2024, at 11:24 PM, danneyya...@gmail.com wrote:Oh yeah, smaller is better, when it comes to these phones.  I have the IPhone 12 mini and like the size, even though I have had to replace the battery.Danney From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James BentleySent: Friday, September 6, 2024 8:19 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch I was concerned that the I Phone S E 4 might be too big and clunky.  But, these measurements are just a tiny bit bigger than my S E 3. Thanks,James B   From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Chris ChaffinSent: Friday, September 6, 2024 6:46 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch  The SE 3 is:2.65 inches wide, 5.45 inches high, 0.29 inches thick, and weighs 5.1 ounces.. The iPhone 14, which is 6.1 inches, the same as the SE 4 will be is:2.82 inches wide, 5.78 inches high, 0.31 inches thick, and weigh 6.1 ounces.. Hope this helps. Chris Chaffin Follow me on Mastodon:@chrischaffin@dragonscave.space  On Sep 6, 2024, at 4:53 AM, James Bentley <bentleyj1...@gmail.com> wrote:Does anybody know how much taller and wider this s E 4 will be compared to the S E 3?I know that the screen size goes from 4.7 inches to 6.1 inches but is this a diagonal measurement or a measurement from top to bottom.  And, I am especially interested in the with. Many thanks, James B  James B   From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Sieghard WeitzelSent: Friday, September 6, 2024 2:41 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch As it will be a larger phone with Face Id I highly doubt it will have a home button.You may as well get used to it as this is the way the technology is going and I would actually not want a home button any more even if I had the option as I find the gestures much more intuitive and easy.  From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Ron CanazziSent: Thursday, September 5, 2024 11:03 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch Hi Group,I have both the second and third generation iPhone Se models. Not that I couldn't get used to operating without a home key, but I do like the idea that the SE versions still have a home key. Will the SE 4 have one?On 9/6/2024 1:20 AM, Dennis Long wrote:I will say unless you need the pro features this is going to be a wonderful phone.  There was another mac rumors article Battery in the iPhone 14 is 4279 ma in the iPhone 15 pro it is 4290 MA.  That is not enough of a thing that you will notice.  Its 12 milliamp.   It is rumored the iPhone 14 battery will be what you get in the SE 4.  So if you get that or better again this phone will work for most people.  When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to LaunchThursday September 5, 2024 2:19 pm PDT by Joe RossignolOver two and a half years have passed since Apple released the current iPhone SE, so the device is due for an update. Below, we recap the latest rumors about the next-generation iPhone SE, including potential features and launch timing.TimingThe latest word comes from Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. In his Power On newsletter last month, he said he expects the next iPhone SE to launch in the spring of 2025. All three existing iPhone SE models were announced in March over the years, so it seems likely that the fourth-generation model will also be introduced in March next year.Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo and the technology publication The Information also previously claimed that the next iPhone SE will launch in the first quarter of 2025, so that timeframe has been corroborated by multiple sources. The Information said that Apple suppliers would begin ramping up mass production of the device in October.FeaturesThe current iPhone SE starts at $429 in the U.S. with 64GB of storage and 4GB of RAM. The device's key features include a 4.7-inch LCD display, A15 Bionic chip, Touch ID, 5G support with a Qualcomm chip, a single 12-megapixel rear camera, and a Lightning port.The next iPhone SE is rumored to have an iPhone 14-like design with the following features:6.1-inch OLED displayA18 chipFace IDUSB-C portAction buttonApple-designed 5G chipA single 48-megapixel rear camera8GB of RAM for Apple IntelligenceGurman believes the next iPhone SE will likely be priced in the $400 to $500 range, so the device would remain a lower-cost option in Apple's smartphone lineup, despite gaining a larger display and a more modern set of features.Update — September 2024:Japanese publication Nikkei Asia has since also reported that the iPhone SE 4 with an OLED display will be released in 2025. https://www.macrumors.com/2024/09/05/when-to-expect-iphone-se-4/ -- The following information is important for all members of the

RE: SongQuiz

[Dennis Long]

First report it to them.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Noe 
Villeda
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2024 4:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: SongQuiz
 
Hello all,
 
Does anyone know of an accessible similar to SongQuiz?
 
They totally messed it up with the last update, and voiceover won't read 
anything, except the work button.
 
What a shame, it was such a fun app.






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RE: Voice over and iOS 18

[Dennis Long]

I agree to go applevis tomorrow I suspect they will have a lot on it.
 
From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2024 3:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice over and iOS 18
 
I've noticed no issues with the iPadOS beta on my mini 6.
Jonathan Mosen has a 2.5 hour podcast on Living Blindfully about iOS 18, and I 
strongly expect that Applevis.com will have a lot about it in their blog on 
Monday when the site goes live again. 
 
 
 
Richard, USA
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(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) 
 



On Sep 7, 2024, at 11:38 AM, James Lockwood mailto:lockwoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Anyone know how iOS 18 is with voiceover? Any major voiceover issues that 
people have noticed with the final beta release?

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RE: The Mail app

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If you didn’t delete the mail app it’s there.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
Sweeney
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2024 6:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Mail app
 
Hi folk, I have lost the mail app that I think is the default of Apple so wish 
to know the exact name of same in order to reinstate it. I now am using the 
gMail app and it’s not as user-friendly as the one I had. The one I had and 
liked very much allowed me to for example flick up to delete and also down 
swipe to hit the unread button. Any assist with this so much appreciated. 
Thanks in advance, Tony in Dublin Ireland  
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RE: re there any resorses for olderpeoplewho are sighted to lurn how to use the i phone?

[Dennis Long]

www.applevis.com  
It will be open tomorrow there is no better place.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
Nutt
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2024 6:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: re there any resorses for olderpeoplewho are sighted to lurn how 
to use the i phone?
 
I absolutely agree about the problem of just telling people to Google something 
due to my own experience. I can get over 90 per cent of what I want that way 
and have been doing it for years; but I have found that;  sometimes I just 
don’t get the wording quite right and it can take several attempts to find what 
I’m looking for. 
 
All the best
Angie
 



On 4 Sep 2024, at 16:48, William Outman mailto:billoutman...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
This issue of seniors learning devices was a common issue I ran into while 
handling public assistance help desk calls in my state for 16 months until that 
position ended. A couple additional suggestions could be helpful. If there is a 
community college nearby they may also have a tech basics course. Also check 
your public library to see if the reference librarian can find current books or 
connect with other local resources or classes they may have. 
Ideally these would include an intro to adaptive technology should the need to 
ask for that come up, as it often does in the senior, or not so senior 
population.
One thing I found is that sometimes even if these resources exist, it can be 
difficult for to some to physically get to these programs. 
Everyone needs to remember it does no good to tell someone just to Google it if 
they don’t know how. 
In that job I often found myself teaching a little Computer 101 to people who 
had trouble distinguishing a title bar from an address bar, and who barely knew 
how to make a phone call with their device. 
Bill Outman 
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 2, 2024, at 1:24 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone < 
 viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi Mitch,
Right, Voice Memos nor any other app other than some paid third party apps can 
record phone calls.
But, if he can wait until iOS 18 is released, which is probably next Tuesday, 
September 10, he will be able to record them from within the phone app and then 
have a transcript saved in the notes app.
 
I don’t know if any of the beta testers have tried this yet assuming it is 
available in the beta already.
I don’t put betas on my iPhone, or I would have tested it by now.
 
Thanks,
 
Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 
SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised
 
My web site:   https://www.turner42.com
 
From:   viphone@googlegroups.com< 
 viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of  
 mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2024 10:12 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: re there any resorses for olderpeoplewho are sighted to lurn how 
to use the i phone?
 
Hi ok so the voice memmows wonte record phone calls? I did see that message 
that you sent about ios 18 being able to record phone calls yes. From Mich.
 
From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone <  
viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Sent: September 2, 2024 12:50 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: re there any resorses for olderpeoplewho are sighted to lurn how 
to use the i phone?
 
Here is something specific to that app, but remember, it won’t record phone 
calls.  Did you see the message I sent about iOS 18 and recording calls from 
within the phone app?
 
Here is a link to how to use the Voice Memos app.
  
https://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-use-voice-memos-on-iphone-ipad/
 
Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 
SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
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My web site:   https://www.turner42.com
 
From:   viphone@googlegroups.com< 
 viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of  
 mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2024 9:27 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: re there any resorses for olderpeoplewho are sighted to lurn how to 
use the i phone?
 
   Hi all are there any sorts of resorses to use the I phone for 
older people? I just spent some time on the phone with my Dad trying to help 
him with this voice memmos app. But since I have no idea what the different 
Icons on the phone represent are thereany resorses for older people say in 
there late 60’s to lurne how to use the I phone going through things like what 
icons meen what they look like etc? each of my folks are sighted and it would 
be nice to send them any info to help how to use ther

RE: BARDMobile app and bluetooth headphones that are not made by Apple

[Dennis Long]

No company can catch every bug.  Good bug reports are key simply saying it 
isn’t working is not a good bug report
 
From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2024 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARDMobile app and bluetooth headphones that are not made by Apple
 
And I have been corresponding with the NLS folks and they are working on it.
This is the kind of bug that would be very hard to catch before release as many 
people have headsets that work fine no matter the speed.
I hope this gets fixed soon.  Now that they have it narrowed down to the speed 
issue, let’s hope they can get a fix out soon.
Absolutely no need to buy a different headset, as you can still use the screen 
to stop the book.
Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 
SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Eric 
Caron
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2024 5:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: BARDMobile app and bluetooth headphones that are not made by Apple
 
Personally I have a huge problem with this bug.  I know that many users are not 
as lucky as Josh and report that they can’t use their headsets.  I don’t think 
this app with the bug should have replaced the Bard mobil app until it was 
fixed.
 
   It has been found that it relates to the speed setting on the 
app.  Make the speed normal and many head sets work.  But, many of us read 
books at speeds far beyond the normal, setting. 
 
   This is a costly bug as I expect many folks are looking for 
headsets to purchase that work, when we really don’t need another expensive 
headset.
 
Eric Caron 
 
 
 
On Sep 5, 2024, at 4:47 AM, Joshua Hendrickson mailto:louv...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t see a new update when ios 18 comes out. I 
don’t have a big problem with this issue. Most of my headphones do when I hit a 
button. Sometimes I can hit the button twice quickly and my book will stop.
Sent from Joshua’s radical chariot!!!
 
On Sep 3, 2024, at 6:42 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Good thought, but no.
I’ve tried the slight pause between presses and nothing.  It will start it 
playing if it is stopped, but it won’t stop it if it is playing.
If I press twice too quickly, it jumps to the next chapter or part and three 
quick presses goes backward the same chapter or part, depending on the setting.
We’ll see whenever they get around to releasing a new update.
 
 
Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 
SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com  
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2024 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: BARDMobile app and bluetooth headphones that are not made by Apple
 
Id have a nonApple pair of headphones that  start and stop with only one press 
of the button. They are my Perytong headphones that are sold on Amazon as a 
sleep band, but that I wear as much or more when I am up and about, being that 
I easily can hear outside noise and can talk to people while wearing them. None 
of my other nonApple headphones work with just one press of the button, 
including my Beats Flex headphones, which are sort of Apple. but in all cases, 
two presses of the button will stop it. i press and release, wait a quarter to 
half a second or so, then press and release again and it stops.  Until they get 
it straightened out, Iwonder if this method would work with your after shocks? 
 
Arnold Schmidt 
 
Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Sep 2, 2024, at 11:16 AM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

 
 
I’ve written NLS again about how some bluetooth headphones won’t pause 
BARDMobile books, like my Shokz OpenRun and OpenComm headphones.
The Apple brand Bluetooth headphones do work, but they also think there are a 
few non Apple brand Bluetooth headphones that work but they are not sure of the 
brands.  
Does anyone use a non Apple Bluetooth headphone that works for pausing a BARD 
audio book?  If so, which brand and model?
 
 
 
Richard, USA
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RE: smaller phones

[Dennis Long]

They are pretty much done.
 
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Jordan
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Subject: smaller phones
 
Just wondering if anyone has heard any rumors about a new mini type phone.  I 
really like the size of my 13 mini.  Just curious.
God bless!
Paula and the pups
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RE: When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch

[Dennis Long]

Nope if you read the article it said face id.  No home button.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2024 2:03 AM
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Subject: Re: When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch
 
Hi Group,

I have both the second and third generation iPhone Se models. Not that I 
couldn't get used to operating without a home key, but I do like the idea that 
the SE versions still have a home key. Will the SE 4 have one?



On 9/6/2024 1:20 AM, Dennis Long wrote:
I will say unless you need the pro features this is going to be a wonderful 
phone.  There was another mac rumors article Battery in the iPhone 14 is 4279 
ma in the iPhone 15 pro it is 4290 MA.  That is not enough of a thing that you 
will notice.  Its 12 milliamp.   It is rumored the iPhone 14 battery will be 
what you get in the SE 4.  So if you get that or better again this phone will 
work for most people.  
When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch
Thursday September 5, 2024 2:19 pm PDT by Joe Rossignol 
<https://www.macrumors.com/author/joe-rossignol/> 
Over two and a half years have passed since Apple released the current iPhone 
SE, so the device is due for an update. Below, we recap the latest rumors about 
the next-generation iPhone SE, including potential features and launch timing.

Timing
The latest word comes from 
<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-25/apple-plans-tabletop-robot-while-exploring-mobile-bots-and-humanoid-machines-m09kawex>
  Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. In his  
<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-25/apple-plans-tabletop-robot-while-exploring-mobile-bots-and-humanoid-machines-m09kawex>
 Power On newsletter last month, he said he expects the next iPhone SE to 
launch in the spring of 2025. All three existing iPhone SE models were 
announced in March over the years, so it seems likely that the 
fourth-generation model will also be introduced in March next year.
Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo and the technology publication The Information also 
previously claimed that the next iPhone SE will launch in the first quarter of 
2025 
<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/07/24/kuo-iphone-se-4-thin-iphone-17-apple-5g-chip/>
 , so that timeframe has been corroborated by multiple sources. The Information 
said that Apple suppliers would begin ramping up mass production of the device 
in October 
<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/07/23/iphone-se-4-october-production-report/> .
Features
The current iPhone SE starts at $429 in the U.S. with 64GB of storage and 4GB 
of RAM. The device's key features include a 4.7-inch LCD display, A15 Bionic 
chip, Touch ID, 5G support with a Qualcomm chip, a single 12-megapixel rear 
camera, and a Lightning port.
The next iPhone SE is rumored to have an iPhone 14-like design with the 
following features:
*   6.1-inch OLED display
*   A18 chip
*   Face ID
*   USB-C port
*   Action button
*   Apple-designed 5G chip
*   A single 48-megapixel rear camera
*   8GB of RAM for Apple Intelligence
Gurman believes the next iPhone SE will likely be priced in the $400 to $500 
range, so the device would remain a lower-cost option in Apple's smartphone 
lineup, despite gaining a larger display and a more modern set of features.
Update — September 2024:
Japanese publication Nikkei Asia has since also reported 
<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/09/03/iphone-se-4-complete-apple-switch-oled/>  
that the iPhone SE 4 with an OLED display will be released in 2025.
 
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RE: When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch

[Dennis Long]

I don’t miss the home button either.  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2024 3:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch
 
As it will be a larger phone with Face Id I highly doubt it will have a home 
button.
You may as well get used to it as this is the way the technology is going and I 
would actually not want a home button any more even if I had the option as I 
find the gestures much more intuitive and easy.
 
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2024 11:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch
 
Hi Group,

I have both the second and third generation iPhone Se models. Not that I 
couldn't get used to operating without a home key, but I do like the idea that 
the SE versions still have a home key. Will the SE 4 have one?


On 9/6/2024 1:20 AM, Dennis Long wrote:
I will say unless you need the pro features this is going to be a wonderful 
phone.  There was another mac rumors article Battery in the iPhone 14 is 4279 
ma in the iPhone 15 pro it is 4290 MA.  That is not enough of a thing that you 
will notice.  Its 12 milliamp.   It is rumored the iPhone 14 battery will be 
what you get in the SE 4.  So if you get that or better again this phone will 
work for most people.  
When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch
Thursday September 5, 2024 2:19 pm PDT by Joe Rossignol 
<https://www.macrumors.com/author/joe-rossignol/> 
Over two and a half years have passed since Apple released the current iPhone 
SE, so the device is due for an update. Below, we recap the latest rumors about 
the next-generation iPhone SE, including potential features and launch timing.

Timing
The latest word comes from 
<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-25/apple-plans-tabletop-robot-while-exploring-mobile-bots-and-humanoid-machines-m09kawex>
  Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. In his  
<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-25/apple-plans-tabletop-robot-while-exploring-mobile-bots-and-humanoid-machines-m09kawex>
 Power On newsletter last month, he said he expects the next iPhone SE to 
launch in the spring of 2025. All three existing iPhone SE models were 
announced in March over the years, so it seems likely that the 
fourth-generation model will also be introduced in March next year.
Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo and the technology publication The Information also 
previously claimed that the next iPhone SE will launch in the first quarter of 
2025 
<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/07/24/kuo-iphone-se-4-thin-iphone-17-apple-5g-chip/>
 , so that timeframe has been corroborated by multiple sources. The Information 
said that Apple suppliers would begin ramping up mass production of the device 
in October 
<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/07/23/iphone-se-4-october-production-report/> .
Features
The current iPhone SE starts at $429 in the U.S. with 64GB of storage and 4GB 
of RAM. The device's key features include a 4.7-inch LCD display, A15 Bionic 
chip, Touch ID, 5G support with a Qualcomm chip, a single 12-megapixel rear 
camera, and a Lightning port.
The next iPhone SE is rumored to have an iPhone 14-like design with the 
following features:
*   6.1-inch OLED display
*   A18 chip
*   Face ID
*   USB-C port
*   Action button
*   Apple-designed 5G chip
*   A single 48-megapixel rear camera
*   8GB of RAM for Apple Intelligence
Gurman believes the next iPhone SE will likely be priced in the $400 to $500 
range, so the device would remain a lower-cost option in Apple's smartphone 
lineup, despite gaining a larger display and a more modern set of features.
Update — September 2024:
Japanese publication Nikkei Asia has since also reported 
<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/09/03/iphone-se-4-complete-apple-switch-oled/>  
that the iPhone SE 4 with an OLED display will be released in 2025.
 
https://www.macrumors.com/2024/09/05/when-to-expect-iphone-se-4/
 
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RE: When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch

[Dennis Long]

Not much at all.  The SE four is absolutely worth the upgrade if you have an SE 
3.  You will get apple intelligence which alone makes it worth it.  Never mind 
the better battery etc.  the battery in the SE 4 is more than double in size to 
what is in the SE 3.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
Bentley
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2024 4:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch
 
Does anybody know how much taller and wider this s E 4 will be compared to the 
S E 3?
I know that the screen size goes from 4.7 inches to 6.1 inches but is this a 
diagonal measurement or a measurement from top to bottom.  And, I am especially 
interested in the with.
 
Many thanks, 
James B 
 
James B 
 
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2024 2:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch
 
As it will be a larger phone with Face Id I highly doubt it will have a home 
button.
You may as well get used to it as this is the way the technology is going and I 
would actually not want a home button any more even if I had the option as I 
find the gestures much more intuitive and easy.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2024 11:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch
 
Hi Group,

I have both the second and third generation iPhone Se models. Not that I 
couldn't get used to operating without a home key, but I do like the idea that 
the SE versions still have a home key. Will the SE 4 have one?
On 9/6/2024 1:20 AM, Dennis Long wrote:
I will say unless you need the pro features this is going to be a wonderful 
phone.  There was another mac rumors article Battery in the iPhone 14 is 4279 
ma in the iPhone 15 pro it is 4290 MA.  That is not enough of a thing that you 
will notice.  Its 12 milliamp.   It is rumored the iPhone 14 battery will be 
what you get in the SE 4.  So if you get that or better again this phone will 
work for most people.  
When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch
Thursday September 5, 2024 2:19 pm PDT by Joe Rossignol 
<https://www.macrumors.com/author/joe-rossignol/> 
Over two and a half years have passed since Apple released the current iPhone 
SE, so the device is due for an update. Below, we recap the latest rumors about 
the next-generation iPhone SE, including potential features and launch timing.

Timing
The latest word comes from 
<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-25/apple-plans-tabletop-robot-while-exploring-mobile-bots-and-humanoid-machines-m09kawex>
  Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. In his  
<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-25/apple-plans-tabletop-robot-while-exploring-mobile-bots-and-humanoid-machines-m09kawex>
 Power On newsletter last month, he said he expects the next iPhone SE to 
launch in the spring of 2025. All three existing iPhone SE models were 
announced in March over the years, so it seems likely that the 
fourth-generation model will also be introduced in March next year.
Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo and the technology publication The Information also 
previously claimed that the next iPhone SE will launch in the first quarter of 
2025 
<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/07/24/kuo-iphone-se-4-thin-iphone-17-apple-5g-chip/>
 , so that timeframe has been corroborated by multiple sources. The Information 
said that Apple suppliers would begin ramping up mass production of the device 
in October 
<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/07/23/iphone-se-4-october-production-report/> .
Features
The current iPhone SE starts at $429 in the U.S. with 64GB of storage and 4GB 
of RAM. The device's key features include a 4.7-inch LCD display, A15 Bionic 
chip, Touch ID, 5G support with a Qualcomm chip, a single 12-megapixel rear 
camera, and a Lightning port.
The next iPhone SE is rumored to have an iPhone 14-like design with the 
following features:
*   6.1-inch OLED display
*   A18 chip
*   Face ID
*   USB-C port
*   Action button
*   Apple-designed 5G chip
*   A single 48-megapixel rear camera
*   8GB of RAM for Apple Intelligence
Gurman believes the next iPhone SE will likely be priced in the $400 to $500 
range, so the device would remain a lower-cost option in Apple's smartphone 
lineup, despite gaining a larger display and a more modern set of features.
Update — September 2024:
Japanese publication Nikkei Asia has since also reported 
<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/09/03/iphone-se-4-complete-apple-switch-oled/>  
that the iPhone SE 4 with an OLED display will be released in 

When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch

[Dennis Long]

I will say unless you need the pro features this is going to be a wonderful
phone.  There was another mac rumors article Battery in the iPhone 14 is
4279 ma in the iPhone 15 pro it is 4290 MA.  That is not enough of a thing
that you will notice.  Its 12 milliamp.   It is rumored the iPhone 14
battery will be what you get in the SE 4.  So if you get that or better
again this phone will work for most people.  
When to Expect the iPhone SE 4 to Launch
Thursday September 5, 2024 2:19 pm PDT by Joe Rossignol
 
Over two and a half years have passed since Apple released the current
iPhone SE, so the device is due for an update. Below, we recap the latest
rumors about the next-generation iPhone SE, including potential features and
launch timing.

Timing
The latest word comes from

Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. In his
 Power On
newsletter last month, he said he expects the next iPhone SE to launch in
the spring of 2025. All three existing iPhone SE models were announced in
March over the years, so it seems likely that the fourth-generation model
will also be introduced in March next year.
Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo and the technology publication The Information
also previously claimed that the next iPhone SE will launch in the first
quarter of 2025
 , so that timeframe has been corroborated by multiple sources. The
Information said that Apple suppliers would begin ramping up mass production
of the device in October
 .
Features
The current iPhone SE starts at $429 in the U.S. with 64GB of storage and
4GB of RAM. The device's key features include a 4.7-inch LCD display, A15
Bionic chip, Touch ID, 5G support with a Qualcomm chip, a single
12-megapixel rear camera, and a Lightning port.
The next iPhone SE is rumored to have an iPhone 14-like design with the
following features:
*   6.1-inch OLED display
*   A18 chip
*   Face ID
*   USB-C port
*   Action button
*   Apple-designed 5G chip
*   A single 48-megapixel rear camera
*   8GB of RAM for Apple Intelligence
Gurman believes the next iPhone SE will likely be priced in the $400 to $500
range, so the device would remain a lower-cost option in Apple's smartphone
lineup, despite gaining a larger display and a more modern set of features.
Update — September 2024:
Japanese publication Nikkei Asia has since also reported
  that the iPhone SE 4 with an OLED display will be released in 2025.
 
https://www.macrumors.com/2024/09/05/when-to-expect-iphone-se-4/
 

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AppleVis Extra 99 Inside the AppleVis Acquisition A Conversation with Be My Eyes

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Re: How long would it take to download music to an iPhone?

[Dennis Long]

the amount of time it will take to download will depend on a vary of factors 
such as internet speed etc. 


Dennis Long
Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro Max

> On Aug 31, 2024, at 2:05 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> I did get my songs downloaded. I just don’t know how to get them to shuffle. 
> They do seem to play okay.
> Sent from Joshua’s radical chariot!!!
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2024, at 12:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think you are mixing up Wi-Fi and internet speeds. 200 Mbps sounds to me 
>> like the speed of your internet connection because even Wi-fi 5 allows 
>> devices to transmit data over the 5 GHz wireless frequency band at 
>> theoretical speeds of up to 3.5 Gbps.
>> That of course is theoretical as it says, realistic is 1 Gbps or a bit more 
>> and maybe a bit less if you are far away from your router. If you had Wi-Fi 
>> 6 that would go up, 6E it would go up even more and Wi-Fi 7 of course even 
>> much more, but then again hardly anybody has Wi-Fi 7 yet and only this 
>> year's iPhone 16 Pro and Pro Max will have a Wi-Fi 7 modem and then of 
>> course you would need an appropriate Wi-Fi 7 router.
>> 
>> How are you planning to send your playlist to your iPhone? If it's a 
>> playlist you have on Apple Music and you want to "download" it then of 
>> course your internet speed would be the determining factor, otherwise you 
>> may have your playlist and songs on a computer in iTunes in which case you 
>> typically connect your iPhone with a cable although iTunes can connect to 
>> your iPhone via Wi-Fi, but while it's been quite a long time since I tried 
>> this, it was vwery slow that way. If it's on Apple Music which means in the 
>> cloud on Apple's servers and you want to download it. According to a search 
>> I just did, approx. 1 Gb is needed for 250 songs which in turn means 2,000 
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>> 
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>> 
>> Hi to all. On average how long would it take to download a playlist to an 
>> iPhone? My liked playlist is over 2000 songs and Ive got a 200 meg wifi 
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RE: Is anyone else having these mail app problems?

[Dennis Long]

It isn’t that hard.  Go to control center go to screen recording.  Swipe up 
with one finger to controls.  Go to where it says  microphone off turn it on.  
Than open or create  an email that is a problem show what happens and explain 
this is what I expect to happen.Be detailed.  Go to 
Apple.com/feedback and attach the screen recording in the feedback.
Why do this?
It gives Apple a clear visual description Note turn screen curtain off prior to 
starting the recording.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Goshawk 
On Horseback
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2024 12:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having these mail app problems?
 
No, because I have not had to ever report anything before, this is the first 
real bug that I have come across, that seems to be still prevalent, and is 
really causing me a headache.
 
Simon, the March Merman.



On 28 Aug 2024, at 05:31, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
Have you reported this to Apple? Both through writing accessibil...@apple.com 
  and using the feedback form 
www.apple.com/feedback  
I've not noticed this.
 
 
 
 
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On Aug 27, 2024, at 9:26 PM, Chela Robles mailto:cdrobles...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I’ve been having the same issue since iOS 17 came out and I own an iPhone 14. 
I encounter the same issues you do. Hope that confirms it for you. Hopefully 
they fix it in the next version of iOS, some time.
Sent from my iPhone



On Aug 27, 2024, at 9:21 PM, Goshawk On Horseback 
mailto:goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk> > wrote:
 
Is anyone else having problems with being able to navigate properly and edit, 
for example, if you have copied something into a mail message from another 
email?
Lately, I have had a few incidences, where I have wanted to copy some questions 
from one email into the reply, and answer them, but as soon as I have copied 
the questions in, voice over starts messing around, and making it next to 
impossible! For me to get to the exact place I want, in order to put the 
answers in, and this is driving me bonkers!
A similar thing starts to happen, if I want to put a number of links into an 
email, I can get away with copying one in, maybe two, but then again, 
navigation and editing starts going silly.
Is there a way of fixing these bugs in the standard mail app please? Or if not, 
is there another good and fully accessible mail app, that might be better at 
handling this sort of thing please?
 
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Re: Is anyone else having these mail app problems?

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H you reported it to Apple with screen recordings? 


Dennis Long
Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro Max

> On Aug 28, 2024, at 12:26 AM, Chela Robles  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been having the same issue since iOS 17 came out and I own an iPhone 
> 14. I encounter the same issues you do. Hope that confirms it for you. 
> Hopefully they fix it in the next version of iOS, some time.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2024, at 9:21 PM, Goshawk On Horseback 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is anyone else having problems with being able to navigate properly and 
>> edit, for example, if you have copied something into a mail message from 
>> another email?
>> Lately, I have had a few incidences, where I have wanted to copy some 
>> questions from one email into the reply, and answer them, but as soon as I 
>> have copied the questions in, voice over starts messing around, and making 
>> it next to impossible! For me to get to the exact place I want, in order to 
>> put the answers in, and this is driving me bonkers!
>> A similar thing starts to happen, if I want to put a number of links into an 
>> email, I can get away with copying one in, maybe two, but then again, 
>> navigation and editing starts going silly.
>> Is there a way of fixing these bugs in the standard mail app please? Or if 
>> not, is there another good and fully accessible mail app, that might be 
>> better at handling this sort of thing please?
>> 
>> Simon, the March Merman.
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RE: Issue with Zelle & Bank of America

[Dennis Long]

It came out yesterday.  If you are out of the country I'm not sure you will get 
it.

-Original Message-
From: 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2024 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Issue with Zelle & Bank of America

Apps are updated automatically here.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 9, 2024, at 10:35 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:
> 
> Have you updated the app to the latest version?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Friday, August 9, 2024 10:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Issue with Zelle & Bank of America
> 
> Hello all,
> I heard that this was fixed, however, on my  15 Pro iPhone with the latest 
> updates, I still cannot select the account which I want to deposit money from 
> Zelle when I make a request. Is there a setting that needs to be turned on 
> for this to work, as I recall, receiving a message while out of the country 
> that this was fixed. It is not fixed here. Thanks.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2024, at 10:05 AM, donmoor...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> My problem is with Zel and Discover Bank.  I haven't figured out how to put 
>> the amount I want to send.  I have to do it on my PC.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
>> Steele
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2024 9:06 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Issue with Zelle & Bank of America
>> 
>> Sherrie, The problem with Zelle we're referring to is an issue that happens 
>> if you happen to have more than one account with Bank of America. There's no 
>> problem if you have just one account. So, if, for instance, you have both a 
>> checking and a savings account, the button that allows you to choose which 
>> account to transfer funds from simply doesn't work at the present time if 
>> you're a VoiceOver user. I hope this clarifies our issue.
>> 
>> +Peace & Blessings,
>> Pastor Duane L. Steele
>> Phone (276) 730-5194
>> 
>>>> On Jul 30, 2024, at 3:37 PM, Sherrie Gosling  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what the trouble is. I just sent money to my sister with 
>>> Zelle in the Bank Of America app and had no problem. It just went from the 
>>> checking account like always.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Sherrie's iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2024, at 12:54 PM, Duane Steele  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi sieghard,
>>>> 
>>>> I tried with screen recognition on with no results. My problem when 
>>>> opening the website is that I have always just used my password for 
>>>> getting into the APP, and so I can't recall whaat my user ID is. Not sure 
>>>> even how to find it. But I'll keep trying. I might even just call the 
>>>> local branch to see if anybody there can help. Thanks for the response.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2024, at 12:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you tried it with screen recognition turned on?
>>>>> Also, until they fix it, could you use the website instead of the app?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Duane Steele
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 8:37 AM
>>>>> To: IPhone List 
>>>>> Subject: Issue with Zelle & Bank of America
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> A couple of weeks ago, a number of messages revealed issues with using 
>>>>> Zelle in the Bank of America App. i'm wondering how you resolved the 
>>>>> issue where you can't select the account from which to traysfer or send 
>>>>> funds to another person. I, like others have spoken to representatives at 
>>>>> bank of america. But the issue persists. Any suggestions will be 
>>>>> appreciated. Thanks.
>>>>> 
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RE: Issue with Zelle & Bank of America

[Dennis Long]

Have you updated the app to the latest version?

-Original Message-
From: 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2024 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Issue with Zelle & Bank of America

Hello all,
I heard that this was fixed, however, on my  15 Pro iPhone with the latest 
updates, I still cannot select the account which I want to deposit money from 
Zelle when I make a request. Is there a setting that needs to be turned on for 
this to work, as I recall, receiving a message while out of the country that 
this was fixed. It is not fixed here. Thanks.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 31, 2024, at 10:05 AM, donmoor...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> My problem is with Zel and Discover Bank.  I haven't figured out how to put 
> the amount I want to send.  I have to do it on my PC.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
> Steele
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2024 9:06 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Issue with Zelle & Bank of America
> 
> Sherrie, The problem with Zelle we're referring to is an issue that happens 
> if you happen to have more than one account with Bank of America. There's no 
> problem if you have just one account. So, if, for instance, you have both a 
> checking and a savings account, the button that allows you to choose which 
> account to transfer funds from simply doesn't work at the present time if 
> you're a VoiceOver user. I hope this clarifies our issue.
> 
> +Peace & Blessings,
> Pastor Duane L. Steele
> Phone (276) 730-5194
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2024, at 3:37 PM, Sherrie Gosling  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know what the trouble is. I just sent money to my sister with Zelle 
>> in the Bank Of America app and had no problem. It just went from the 
>> checking account like always.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Sherrie's iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Jul 30, 2024, at 12:54 PM, Duane Steele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi sieghard,
>>> 
>>> I tried with screen recognition on with no results. My problem when opening 
>>> the website is that I have always just used my password for getting into 
>>> the APP, and so I can't recall whaat my user ID is. Not sure even how to 
>>> find it. But I'll keep trying. I might even just call the local branch to 
>>> see if anybody there can help. Thanks for the response.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Jul 30, 2024, at 12:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
 Have you tried it with screen recognition turned on?
 Also, until they fix it, could you use the website instead of the app?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 Duane Steele
 Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 8:37 AM
 To: IPhone List 
 Subject: Issue with Zelle & Bank of America
 
 Hello Listers,
 
 A couple of weeks ago, a number of messages revealed issues with using 
 Zelle in the Bank of America App. i'm wondering how you resolved the issue 
 where you can't select the account from which to traysfer or send funds to 
 another person. I, like others have spoken to representatives at bank of 
 america. But the issue persists. Any suggestions will be appreciated. 
 Thanks.
 
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bank of America's zelle issue appears fixed

[Dennis Long]

It rolled out today.Note I’m on the iOS 18.1 developer beta but it
doesn’t hurt for others to try it.  I would think this is an app specific
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RE: Annoucement of my Return

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Looking forward to all your podcasts.
 
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Subject: Annoucement of my Return
 
I’m thrilled to announce that the rebranding of “Seeing in the Dark” is now 
complete, and we have a new home. You can now find “Seeing in the Dark” on all 
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help spread the word! I greatly appreciate all the warm wishes and support. 
Rest assured, I’m still here to bring you all the content you loved before.
 
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RE: Issue with Zelle & Bank of America

[Dennis Long]

Duane keep calling them on this it is not a apple issue.  They said the more 
complaints they get the more it will help.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
Steele
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 11:37 AM
To: IPhone List 
Subject: Issue with Zelle & Bank of America

Hello Listers,

A couple of weeks ago, a number of messages revealed issues with using Zelle in 
the Bank of America App. i'm wondering how you resolved the issue where you 
can't select the account from which to traysfer or send funds to another 
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RE: Issue with Zelle & Bank of America

[Dennis Long]

Yes I did.  It made no difference.  I just called.  I got someone who seemed 
like they knew what they were doing.  They filed a complaint and told them it 
had to be fixed.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Issue with Zelle & Bank of America

Have you tried it with screen recognition turned on?
Also, until they fix it, could you use the website instead of the app?

-Original Message-
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Steele
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 8:37 AM
To: IPhone List 
Subject: Issue with Zelle & Bank of America

Hello Listers,

A couple of weeks ago, a number of messages revealed issues with using Zelle in 
the Bank of America App. i'm wondering how you resolved the issue where you 
can't select the account from which to traysfer or send funds to another 
person. I, like others have spoken to representatives at bank of america. But 
the issue persists. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks.

+Peace & Blessings,
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RE: Applevis Site

[Dennis Long]

It needs to be saved.  We as a community need to come together.  Without 
Applevis I never would’ve gotten my first iPhone.  It is invaluable.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marda
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 3:39 PM
To: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Applevis Site
 
Agreed.  There was something in the article, after telling us that it would be 
taken down, that it was on read only status and tsomething like "as the 
editorial staff consider other options"  (paraphrase, not an exact quote) but I 
am thinking they would be open to keeping it up if someone qualified 
technically and otherwise to run the site could be found who would be willing 
to put in all that work on a voluntary basis, either one person or possibly a 
group who had the proper skills.  I truly hope they find a way to keep it up 
because the site has provided a wealth of information to me as I have begun my 
journey through the apple world.  It was recommended to me and the first place 
on the web that I went seeking information about how to use my iPhone and apple 
watch.  (Still working on that one.)  I was unaware that such things as the 
podcasts and articles could be downloaded but someone mentioned that in a 
message.  Is this true?  We can save things from applevis?  if it absolutely 
has to be taken down can or will it be put in the wwayback machine on the 
internet archive so at least current content could be accessed?
Marda
On 7/28/2024 11:17 AM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone wrote:
To be extra clear, David said it would go away after August 31st if no other 
option is found.
While it is a slim chance this will happen, as it says in one of our favorites 
songs from Spamalot, it is “not dead yet.”
 
Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 
SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com    
  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 9:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Applevis Site
 
Also, be aware that according to David Goodwin's blog post about the closure of 
AppleVis that the site will go from read only to removed completely after 
August 31, 2024. 
 
Allen Lemly 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Jul 28, 2024, at 11:06 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
 
The site is read only now, the contact form is no longer available, e.g. it 
says 
 
Status message
Sorry… This form is closed to new submissions.
 
Having said this, if any of the Applevis people read this, it might be an idea 
to approach Apple directly and ask if they would host/maintain the site and by 
doing so allow the editorial team and other contributors to continue.
 
From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2024 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Applevis Site
 
https://www.applevis.com/contact
 
 
Richard, USA
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - 
Jane Wagner from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe.
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
Sent from my iPad Mini 6



On Jul 27, 2024, at 1:09 PM, Juan hernandez mailto:juanhernande...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi All,
 
Can someone help me out by giving me David goodwin’s email, or some contact 
method? Or maybe one of the other editorial team emails? I’d like to discuss 
applevis.com and future hosting and running of the site
 
Best,
 
Juan
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RE: Applevis Site

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Lets hope.  This is a community we need.  We need to come together to save it.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Applevis Site
 
Well, hopefully Robin, Lance, and Sir Fred who's not yet dead can come up with 
something to keep it going. 
 
Alan Lemly 
Sent from my iPhone



On Jul 28, 2024, at 11:17 AM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

To be extra clear, David said it would go away after August 31st if no other 
option is found.
While it is a slim chance this will happen, as it says in one of our favorites 
songs from Spamalot, it is “not dead yet.”
 
Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 
SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 9:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Applevis Site
 
Also, be aware that according to David Goodwin's blog post about the closure of 
AppleVis that the site will go from read only to removed completely after 
August 31, 2024. 
 
Allen Lemly 
Sent from my iPhone




On Jul 28, 2024, at 11:06 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
 
The site is read only now, the contact form is no longer available, e.g. it 
says 
 
Status message
Sorry… This form is closed to new submissions.
 
Having said this, if any of the Applevis people read this, it might be an idea 
to approach Apple directly and ask if they would host/maintain the site and by 
doing so allow the editorial team and other contributors to continue.
 
From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2024 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Applevis Site
 
https://www.applevis.com/contact
 
 
Richard, USA
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - 
Jane Wagner from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe.
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
Sent from my iPad Mini 6





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Hi All,
 
Can someone help me out by giving me David goodwin’s email, or some contact 
method? Or maybe one of the other editorial team emails? I’d like to discuss 
applevis.com and future hosting and running of the site
 
Best,
 
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RE: Trouble with Zell and Bank Of America app

[Dennis Long]

Keep calling bank of America.  Ask for a supervisor.  Let them know that you 
are using voiceover.  I’m on the iOS 18 public beta and filed it.
 
From: 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2024 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Trouble with Zell and Bank Of America app
 
That is exactly the behavior I have been documenting. I called Bank Of America 
to no avail. I tried resetting network settings, tried restarting my phone and 
clearing the app switcher, tried multiple attempts. Tried calling Apple. No 
luck!
Amy.
Sent from my iPhone



On Jul 21, 2024, at 3:56 PM, Jed Barton mailto:j...@jedbarton.com> > wrote:

 
Hey guys. So it's interesting to see that people are having issues with zell. 
So, with bank of america, this is my issue, I can go to zell, and start sending 
money. I type in the amount, then when it comes to the select account button, I 
double tap on that, and that's where it hangs up. I can no longer select the 
account. any ideas?
 
Cheers,
 
Jed
 
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 12:04 AM Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Also when you report to bank of America state that you are a voiceover user 
explain what it is and where you are having the problem.  Be very detailed.

-Original Message-
From: 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2024 11:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Trouble with Zell and Bank Of America app

Hi, I spoke with my bank both Friday and today all to no avail. They said 
Friday they might be impacted by today. They said all is working well.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 20, 2024, at 7:01 PM, Chela Robles  <mailto:cdrobles...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> Well, I’ve heard some banks have been having issues lately related to 
> certain online banking. Patelco was one of them and it had to do with Zelle 
> and Patelco had a ransomeware attack.. I could imagine that something else is 
> going on with regards to Zelle and other bank you might as well contact your 
> bank to see what’s going on. I also have heard that in the news recently that 
> there are or were airlines and banks affected by certain technologies having 
> a shut down of some sort could check into that. Maybe maybe that’s why Zelle 
> is not working for you right now. Could be a temporary outage or something.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2024, at 1:18 PM, 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
>> 
>> I have done all of that and shut down the iPhone twice all to no avail. So 
>> frustrating! Will keep added though. Thanks.
>> Amy.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 20, 2024, at 11:30 AM, Mario Eiland >>> <mailto:eila...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI Amy,
>>> I had some issues the other day trying to send money to a friend. It kept 
>>> telling me that it experience some kind of error and to try again later. I 
>>> just ended up clearing my app switcher turned off and turned on my iPhone 
>>> and tried it again and then it worked. I know it sounds kind of silly, but 
>>> who knows.
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone >> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2024 12:35 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> Subject: Trouble with Zell and Bank Of America app
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone Hello all,
>>> I have no difficulty paying people with Zelle. In general, I find the Bank 
>>> of America app quite accessible. However, I am now trying to request money 
>>> from someone who does not use Zelle easily. I can get to the screen and can 
>>> find that contact, and there is Zelle credentials. However, once I enter 
>>> the amount I am requesting, I swipe to a button that reads deposit to 
>>> select account. However, if I try to activate the button, nothing happens. 
>>> Interestingly, my sited husband indicates that there is no such button at 
>>> that spot on the screen. I have tried connecting with Bank Of America 
>>> employees to no avail. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. I’ve been at 
>>> this for quite some time today without success.
>>> Amy.
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: Trouble with Zell and Bank Of America app

[Dennis Long]

Also when you report to bank of America state that you are a voiceover user 
explain what it is and where you are having the problem.  Be very detailed.

-Original Message-
From: 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2024 11:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Trouble with Zell and Bank Of America app

Hi, I spoke with my bank both Friday and today all to no avail. They said 
Friday they might be impacted by today. They said all is working well.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 20, 2024, at 7:01 PM, Chela Robles  wrote:
> 
> Well, I’ve heard some banks have been having issues lately related to 
> certain online banking. Patelco was one of them and it had to do with Zelle 
> and Patelco had a ransomeware attack.. I could imagine that something else is 
> going on with regards to Zelle and other bank you might as well contact your 
> bank to see what’s going on. I also have heard that in the news recently that 
> there are or were airlines and banks affected by certain technologies having 
> a shut down of some sort could check into that. Maybe maybe that’s why Zelle 
> is not working for you right now. Could be a temporary outage or something.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2024, at 1:18 PM, 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have done all of that and shut down the iPhone twice all to no avail. So 
>> frustrating! Will keep added though. Thanks.
>> Amy.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 20, 2024, at 11:30 AM, Mario Eiland  wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI Amy,
>>> I had some issues the other day trying to send money to a friend. It kept 
>>> telling me that it experience some kind of error and to try again later. I 
>>> just ended up clearing my app switcher turned off and turned on my iPhone 
>>> and tried it again and then it worked. I know it sounds kind of silly, but 
>>> who knows.
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone 
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2024 12:35 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Trouble with Zell and Bank Of America app
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone Hello all,
>>> I have no difficulty paying people with Zelle. In general, I find the Bank 
>>> of America app quite accessible. However, I am now trying to request money 
>>> from someone who does not use Zelle easily. I can get to the screen and can 
>>> find that contact, and there is Zelle credentials. However, once I enter 
>>> the amount I am requesting, I swipe to a button that reads deposit to 
>>> select account. However, if I try to activate the button, nothing happens. 
>>> Interestingly, my sited husband indicates that there is no such button at 
>>> that spot on the screen. I have tried connecting with Bank Of America 
>>> employees to no avail. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. I’ve been at 
>>> this for quite some time today without success.
>>> Amy.
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: Trouble with Zell and Bank Of America app

[Dennis Long]

Report it to apple.  This is an apple issue.  I suspect vo isn't seeing 
something.

-Original Message-
From: 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2024 11:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Trouble with Zell and Bank Of America app

Hi, I spoke with my bank both Friday and today all to no avail. They said 
Friday they might be impacted by today. They said all is working well.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 20, 2024, at 7:01 PM, Chela Robles  wrote:
> 
> Well, I’ve heard some banks have been having issues lately related to 
> certain online banking. Patelco was one of them and it had to do with Zelle 
> and Patelco had a ransomeware attack.. I could imagine that something else is 
> going on with regards to Zelle and other bank you might as well contact your 
> bank to see what’s going on. I also have heard that in the news recently that 
> there are or were airlines and banks affected by certain technologies having 
> a shut down of some sort could check into that. Maybe maybe that’s why Zelle 
> is not working for you right now. Could be a temporary outage or something.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2024, at 1:18 PM, 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have done all of that and shut down the iPhone twice all to no avail. So 
>> frustrating! Will keep added though. Thanks.
>> Amy.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 20, 2024, at 11:30 AM, Mario Eiland  wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI Amy,
>>> I had some issues the other day trying to send money to a friend. It kept 
>>> telling me that it experience some kind of error and to try again later. I 
>>> just ended up clearing my app switcher turned off and turned on my iPhone 
>>> and tried it again and then it worked. I know it sounds kind of silly, but 
>>> who knows.
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone 
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2024 12:35 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Trouble with Zell and Bank Of America app
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone Hello all,
>>> I have no difficulty paying people with Zelle. In general, I find the Bank 
>>> of America app quite accessible. However, I am now trying to request money 
>>> from someone who does not use Zelle easily. I can get to the screen and can 
>>> find that contact, and there is Zelle credentials. However, once I enter 
>>> the amount I am requesting, I swipe to a button that reads deposit to 
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RE: Asking a question about a beta on this list?

[Dennis Long]

I agree even the dev betas are open to anyone and have been for the last two 
years.  What is your issue.
 
From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  
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Subject: Re: Asking a question about a beta on this list?
 
I think Mark said it was OK a couple of years ago or so, but I'm not sure. Why 
don't you go ahead and put your comment or question out there and see what 
happens. I do not know of a list specific for beta discussion and since betas 
are open to anyone, it doesn't seem Apple cares about discussions concerning 
betas. 
'
 
 
Richard, USA
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SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com
 
(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) 
 



On Jul 18, 2024, at 5:25 AM, Loreal Lavigna mailto:loreallavi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I can’t remember, but is commenting or asking questions about a beta release 
of iOS software allowed on this list? If not, where is the best place to ask 
this question as it relates to blind or visually impaired iPhone users?
Loreal
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FW: [Tech-VI] An Important Update on AppleVis Founder David Goodwin and the Future of AppleVis | AppleVis

[Dennis Long]

 
 
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https://www.applevis.com/blog/important-update-applevis-founder-david-goodwin-future-applevis

An Important Update on AppleVis Founder David Goodwin and the Future of AppleVis

Dear AppleVis Community,
At his request, I wanted to provide you an update on AppleVis' Founder and 
Editor-in-Chief, David Goodwin; as well as the future of AppleVis.
As many of you already know, David Goodwin founded AppleVis in July 2010. Since 
that first day, David has worked tirelessly, day in and day out, to develop and 
maintain the AppleVis website. While myself and the rest of the  
 AppleVis Editorial Team have supported David 
with the daily operations of the site, David has been the driving force behind 
the website--both in terms of the ideas and, on a more practical level, having 
sole responsibility for the technical implementation. AppleVis would not be 
here today were it not for David, and David has undertaken all of this work for 
the community on an entirely voluntary basis.
Early last week, David was hospitalized in the ICU due to a very serious and 
life-threatening medical issue.
If you have emailed David within the last week and are still in need of 
assistance, please contact us using our   
Contact Form and another member of our Editorial Team will reach out to you.
Looking ahead, I want to be up front that right now, there are a lot of 
unknowns. As I mentioned previously, David took sole responsibility for the 
technical aspects of operating the AppleVis website. While this approach 
allowed for a founder's visionary leadership and rapid decision-making, it also 
now leaves us with a tremendous void and a lot of very important decisions that 
must be made. During this time, we kindly ask for and appreciate your patients 
as we do our best to continue day-to-day site operations and figure out what is 
next for AppleVis. We will update everyone when we have more information to 
share.
 
 
 
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RE: Keyboard Commands

[Dennis Long]

Yes command n creates a new message in message mail and it might even start a 
new note in notes I’m not sure.  Command Shift d will send an email. 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joe 
Orozco
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2024 6:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Keyboard Commands
 
I’m curious about keyboard shortcut keys on iOS. I read a post somewhere on 
AppleVis where the person was talking about using things like Command + N to 
send a new message on her iPad Pro using a Magic keyboard. These keyboard 
shortcut keys, are they a function of the iPad Pro, or the Magic keyboard, or 
are they commands one can use across iOS? I’m really interested in using this 
sort of functionality with my iPhone and Bluetooth keyboard, but I’ve not found 
anything outside of the standard Voiceover keyboard commands.
 
Thank you kindly for any tips,
 
Joe 
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RE: Visible wireless app and OTP code VoiceOver iphone

[Dennis Long]

Good luck!  Visible doesn’t care about accessibility!  The list box is not 
accessible for why your chatting in with them.  I have made numerous attempts 
to get them to address accessibility to no avail.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cory 
Jackson
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 4:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Shai 
Subject: Re: Visible wireless app and OTP code VoiceOver iphone
 
Hi,
Return to the home screen and then back to the app via the app switcher. 
Voiceover should see it then.
On 6/9/2024 11:31 PM, Shai wrote:
Hello all, 
After entering in the OTP (one time passcode) code on the Visible wireless app 
using VoiceOver,  I am unable to locate a continue button to get signed in to 
my account. 
Anyone have any solutions/workarounds to this issue? 
Using the latest iOS update. 
Thank you in advance for any responses 
 
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RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Dennis Long]

I agree.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 5:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement
 
We all know what Siri is like right now, but with full AI integration I have a 
feeling we may all be surprised how amazing it may end up being; of course from 
the little I heard this will not be one of these on/off moments where as soon 
as iOs 18 is released in September it will include all of what it will have a 
year from now and after the main .1, .2 and .3 updates which typically happen 
in Late October, before Christmas or in the new year and again in early March. 
And then of course it is my understanding that the true Apple Intelligence will 
require at least an iPhone 15 Pro or later so for many of us it may be years 
before we experience it all and by then of course even more powerful hardware 
and advances in AI will even add more functionality. One thing I am sure of is 
that in the next years we'll see a lot of cool stuff around all the AI 
development and we'll benefit greatly from it.
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 12:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement
 
I literally asked Siri this morning what time was the WWDC keynote and I got 
one of those generic “”this is what I found on the web.”
Whatever they do or don’t’ do with Siri, it can’t be as bad as it is X years 
later than when it was introduced. Just one hot useless mess.
 
Cristóbal
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tai 
Tomasi
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 11:10 AM
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Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement
 
We are currently into a whole new section where they talk about AI. They just 
separated it.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.toma...@gmail.com  
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
 
On Jun 10, 2024, at 2:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
 
After all the hipe in the tech media about how Apple was going to announce how 
Siri in iOS 18 would be deeply integrated with AI, it was disappointing to 
listen to the section about iOS 18 and to my knowledge not hear the word Siri 
or AI even once. Of course this could still mean that Apple decided to not go 
into this because maybe it's not yet ready to be presented and we'll hear all 
about it when the new iPhones are released in September, but I thought it was a 
bit of a let down anyways.
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
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Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

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One other question that’s just popped into my brain. What if they paid for a subscription again in good face that these features would work you are now in violation of the App Store agreement which states you cannot take features away you took features away and didn’t tell the user so are you going to refund their money or are you going to restore functionality?Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn May 21, 2024, at 5:01 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:I remember that CC is using 16.x, I had suspected that that was the problem.  I think that is unfortunate that they start dropping features so soon for those who are using older ios's. Even Apple gives the ios 16 users security updates for this year.  I know a lot of people who are still using their iphone 8 every day, and one who still uses a 7 with ios 15. Not everybody can, or wants to,  afford that 15 pro max. And those who are still using their iphone 8 are about to be two generations out of date. Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On May 20, 2024, at 6:29 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:If you are using iOS 16.x that could be the issue. A friend discovered yesterday that after updating from iOS 16 something to 17.5 the download button was back. I'd recommend writing to the support folks through the Voice Dream, Settings, Email support.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 20, 2024, at 3:18 PM, CC  wrote:Folks, Version 4.34.4 is now available. Still no download option. Going to bookshare on the web, downloading to files app, then transferring to VDR, is doable, but cumbersome. On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 9:07:58 PM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:First Bookshare's response doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Once the book is downloaded, you do not need internet access. So, I'm not sure what they mean. I never had any issue switching to another app, and then coming back to Voice Dream and continuing reading a book. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 12, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:When I contacted bookshare about this... they said sometimes books are taken offline due to copyright etc. The skeliton is still there but the book is taken down. (shrug) Sent from my iPhoneOn May 12, 2024, at 5:10 PM, Jody ianuzzi  wrote:Oh I can add books from Bookshare to my voic Voice Dream reader but I have another problem. If I go to a different app and then go back to the Voice Dream reader and hit play nothing happens. I have to remove it from the app switcher and start again and then it's OK.Has anyone else had this problem?JODYTo Boldly Go  🖖🏻 thunderw...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn May 12, 2024, at 12:28 PM, CC  wrote:Thanx, Richard. A three finger swipe down, refreshed the, recently updated element. There were 12 updates waiting to be integrated. Voicedream version 4.34.3, still offers no download option in bookshare.  On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:02:10 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:Now, it not showing up in the updates list is very, very strange.That would point to an Apple issue.When I check for updates, I do a triple tap on the app store icon, then swipe to updates and double tap.  Then, touch where it says previously Updated and do a three finger swipe down to refresh the screen.I have found that has been the only reliable way for me to get all updates available to show up consistently. If Voice Dream doesn’t show up then, I think there is a bigger issue with your phone.Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CCSent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 7:47 AMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream Two new problems. Version 4.34.2 still gives no download option and voicedream updates don't appear in new app store updates. It seems I must search for the voicedream app, open the voicedream result, then click on, update button. All other app updates appear as expected. On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 12:31:21 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:Well, to test this, I went and turned audio ducking on, but on or off, all audio books play just fine for me. So that may have nothing to do with your issue. But for me, not only do audio books play just f

Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Dennis Long]

First, if this is what’s being done that’s wrong second to not put it in the release notes again is wrong. This is what Jonathan Mohsen was talking about when he said clear and concise release notes! Clearly this company has not learned a thing! Every other company that I have seen do this first of all supports at least the previous version of iOS if not, two versions back! Second, they are honest And upfront This company is not honest and transparent!!! Every day that goes by, it is more and more likely I will not ever again use their app!! This app had a Sterling reputation at one time and with all the little hidden things they pull it goes to crap! This is ridiculous. It’s one thing if that’s what you decide to do. It’s another thing to not disclose it entirely and it’s wrong . Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn May 21, 2024, at 5:01 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:I remember that CC is using 16.x, I had suspected that that was the problem.  I think that is unfortunate that they start dropping features so soon for those who are using older ios's. Even Apple gives the ios 16 users security updates for this year.  I know a lot of people who are still using their iphone 8 every day, and one who still uses a 7 with ios 15. Not everybody can, or wants to,  afford that 15 pro max. And those who are still using their iphone 8 are about to be two generations out of date. Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On May 20, 2024, at 6:29 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:If you are using iOS 16.x that could be the issue. A friend discovered yesterday that after updating from iOS 16 something to 17.5 the download button was back. I'd recommend writing to the support folks through the Voice Dream, Settings, Email support.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 20, 2024, at 3:18 PM, CC  wrote:Folks, Version 4.34.4 is now available. Still no download option. Going to bookshare on the web, downloading to files app, then transferring to VDR, is doable, but cumbersome. On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 9:07:58 PM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:First Bookshare's response doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Once the book is downloaded, you do not need internet access. So, I'm not sure what they mean. I never had any issue switching to another app, and then coming back to Voice Dream and continuing reading a book. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 12, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:When I contacted bookshare about this... they said sometimes books are taken offline due to copyright etc. The skeliton is still there but the book is taken down. (shrug) Sent from my iPhoneOn May 12, 2024, at 5:10 PM, Jody ianuzzi  wrote:Oh I can add books from Bookshare to my voic Voice Dream reader but I have another problem. If I go to a different app and then go back to the Voice Dream reader and hit play nothing happens. I have to remove it from the app switcher and start again and then it's OK.Has anyone else had this problem?JODYTo Boldly Go  🖖🏻 thunderw...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn May 12, 2024, at 12:28 PM, CC  wrote:Thanx, Richard. A three finger swipe down, refreshed the, recently updated element. There were 12 updates waiting to be integrated. Voicedream version 4.34.3, still offers no download option in bookshare.  On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:02:10 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:Now, it not showing up in the updates list is very, very strange.That would point to an Apple issue.When I check for updates, I do a triple tap on the app store icon, then swipe to updates and double tap.  Then, touch where it says previously Updated and do a three finger swipe down to refresh the screen.I have found that has been the only reliable way for me to get all updates available to show up consistently. If Voice Dream doesn’t show up then, I think there is a bigger issue with your phone.Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CCSent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 7:47 AMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream Two new problems. Version 4.34.2 still gives no download option and voicedream updates don't appear in n

RE: SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited

[Dennis Long]

It’s a shame.  I don’t know whatever happened to Shane.  He seemed to care 
about the product.  There is no community engagement now.  It’s a shame.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 4:39 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited
 
Well, I am about ready to delete the app since Envision AI, which is free, does 
as good a job with bar codes, which is my primary use of SuperSense. This BS 
about them always promising exciting new features has gone on long enough. And, 
they never reply to emails sent to them. 
Here is what the update says:
Hello, Below are the latest updates and improvements in this release: 1) Minor 
UI changes and bug fixes for a faster and more stable experience. More exciting 
news and features are on the way! As always, we appreciate any feedback to 
provide our users with the best solutions. Please let us know what you think 
about Supersense by sending your thoughts to superse...@mediate.tech 
 . Best, Supersense Team
 
 
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 



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RE: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth Keyboard

[Dennis Long]

In order for proper testing to be done I and others would need specific 
examples where it fails.  Example when sending a voice message in WhatsApp it 
fails.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Manan 
Trivedi
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2024 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth 
Keyboard
 
Thanks Dennis for your help. Thank you others as well for responding. The 
command VO shift space works most of the time. Sometimes, however, I receive an 
error that says, “message failed to send” or something similar to that. May be 
problem is with my keyboard because, as I said,  the command does not fail all 
the times. 
 
Sent from my iPhone



On May 8, 2024, at 10:04 PM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hear is the correct answer.  .
1 position the VoiceOver cursor on the voice message button
2 press and hold VO shift space
3 if you hold this for 2 or 3 seconds, the voice message button will lock in 
the recording position.
4 talk all you want and then either press VO space or double tap on the voice 
message button.
Note I’m a keyboard user.  If you have any more questions you can email me at
dennisl1...@gmail.com <mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Manan Trivedi
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 3:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth 
Keyboard
 
Dear all. Let me start by Thanking you all for running or contributing to this 
useful list. My question is what keyboard command to use to simulate double tap 
and hold. For instance, to record a voice message on Whatsapp, you have to 
double tap and hold. When you are done recording your message, you release to 
send the message. I found no way to achieve this using bluetooth keyboard. I 
will appreciate some solution.
 
Thanks
 
MT
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Apr 26, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch mailto:florl...@iol.ie> > wrote:
 
 That's a WhatsApp number, BTW. If calling from outside of Ireland, you would 
prefix that number with the country code of 00353.
 
On 4/26/2024 4:10 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
For those not subscribed to David’s list, here is a good tip for those who use 
Google Maps in case you had not discovered it.  
>From David Goldfield’s Tech-VI list:
From: tech...@groups.io <mailto:tech...@groups.io>  tech...@groups.io 
<mailto:tech...@groups.io>  On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 4:51 AM
Subject: [Tech-VI] How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired 
Users in Google Maps
 
Vision Ireland - Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM

How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Maps


by Joe Lonergan
Detailed Voice Guidance is not a new feature, but it is not well known and is 
hidden deep in the settings of Google Maps. If you are a fan of Google Maps, we 
think it is a good feature to turn on for a vision-impaired or blind user.
Detailed Voice Guidance expands the existing walking directions guidance with 
several extra elements. The directions are more proactive so that if you take a 
wrong turn, the vocal guide will tell you and find the best way to your 
destination from your new point. Along the way, it will tell you not only where 
to turn, but how far away it is and in what direction you are facing, and the 
vocal guide will also alert you before reaching busy intersections.
So how do we turn on this detailed navigation feature?
1.  Open Google Maps
2.  Navigate to Account and Settings, If you are a VoiceOver user you will 
find it by flicking left and it is the first option you will hear.
3.  While in here go to Settings.
4.  Now go to Navigation
5.  Flick to the right all the way down until you get to detailed Voice 
Guidance and turn it on
We love to hear software companies adding features like this into universal or 
mainstream apps as it is easier to use one app to get most of your information 
and gives the user more freedom and confidence.
If you are a user of Google Maps and you have turned on this feature we would 
like to hear if you found the extra navigation voice cues help to get to your 
final destination or if you are a user of any other navigation or mobility apps 
like Soundscape or Apple Maps we would love to hear which you find best and why?
You can send a voice note to the Talking Technology WhatsApp number 086 199 
0011 and we can play it on the show.
https://vi.ie/how-to-turn-on-detailed-voice-guidance-for-vision-impaired-users-in-google-maps/
 
 
 
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
 
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RE: Sonos latest update.

[Dennis Long]

It never should've been released.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos latest update.

It's clunky at best, if you haven't updated yet and you use your Sonos app a 
lot I would highly recommend that you wait to see what happens in 2 weeks. I 
told my Sonos contact that the ball is now in their court and they better make 
sure the promises they made about major accessibility improvements on May 21 
and more by end of June will happen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 1:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos latest update.

Ok I have a question. How accessible is searching for and playing music? I know 
you need to play music through the app to enjoy Dolby atmos?

Chris Judge






-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:34 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is off 
no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that it is 
changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker that is 
playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope Sonos 
address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. But for 
me, The app is useable.

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
> with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
> last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
> was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about 
> a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
>> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
>> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
>> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
>> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update 
>> the Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
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RE: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth Keyboard

[Dennis Long]

The command is vo shift space.  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jonathan 
Cohn
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth 
Keyboard
 
Well, first thing to do is discover what command that is being run.
Press capslock k to bring up help mode. Then try the command.
Once you discover the command “Perform long press” in this case, you can assign 
it to a keystroke in the voiceover settings or try and discover the  default 
keystroke.
 
This is one place where Mac VoiceOver is superior to IOS in that VO+HH lets you 
search all VO commands and will list an assigned key for that action.
 
Sent from my iPhone



On May 8, 2024, at 11:07 AM, Manan Trivedi mailto:manantrivedi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Dear all. Let me start by Thanking you all for running or contributing to this 
useful list. My question is what keyboard command to use to simulate double tap 
and hold. For instance, to record a voice message on Whatsapp, you have to 
double tap and hold. When you are done recording your message, you release to 
send the message. I found no way to achieve this using bluetooth keyboard. I 
will appreciate some solution.
 
Thanks
 
MT
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Apr 26, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch mailto:florl...@iol.ie> > wrote:
 
 That's a WhatsApp number, BTW. If calling from outside of Ireland, you would 
prefix that number with the country code of 00353.
 
On 4/26/2024 4:10 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
For those not subscribed to David’s list, here is a good tip for those who use 
Google Maps in case you had not discovered it.  
>From David Goldfield’s Tech-VI list:
From: tech...@groups.io   tech...@groups.io 
  On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 4:51 AM
Subject: [Tech-VI] How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired 
Users in Google Maps
 
Vision Ireland - Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM

How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Maps


by Joe Lonergan
Detailed Voice Guidance is not a new feature, but it is not well known and is 
hidden deep in the settings of Google Maps. If you are a fan of Google Maps, we 
think it is a good feature to turn on for a vision-impaired or blind user.
Detailed Voice Guidance expands the existing walking directions guidance with 
several extra elements. The directions are more proactive so that if you take a 
wrong turn, the vocal guide will tell you and find the best way to your 
destination from your new point. Along the way, it will tell you not only where 
to turn, but how far away it is and in what direction you are facing, and the 
vocal guide will also alert you before reaching busy intersections.
So how do we turn on this detailed navigation feature?
1.  Open Google Maps
2.  Navigate to Account and Settings, If you are a VoiceOver user you will 
find it by flicking left and it is the first option you will hear.
3.  While in here go to Settings.
4.  Now go to Navigation
5.  Flick to the right all the way down until you get to detailed Voice 
Guidance and turn it on
We love to hear software companies adding features like this into universal or 
mainstream apps as it is easier to use one app to get most of your information 
and gives the user more freedom and confidence.
If you are a user of Google Maps and you have turned on this feature we would 
like to hear if you found the extra navigation voice cues help to get to your 
final destination or if you are a user of any other navigation or mobility apps 
like Soundscape or Apple Maps we would love to hear which you find best and why?
You can send a voice note to the Talking Technology WhatsApp number 086 199 
0011 and we can play it on the show.
https://vi.ie/how-to-turn-on-detailed-voice-guidance-for-vision-impaired-users-in-google-maps/
 
 
 
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
 
If you need help using your assistive technology learn about my training 
services by visiting
WWW.ScreenReaderTraining.com  
 
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The Nation of Israel Lives!
 
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RE: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth Keyboard

[Dennis Long]

Hear is the correct answer.  .
1 position the VoiceOver cursor on the voice message button
2 press and hold VO shift space
3 if you hold this for 2 or 3 seconds, the voice message button will lock in 
the recording position.
4 talk all you want and then either press VO space or double tap on the voice 
message button.
Note I’m a keyboard user.  If you have any more questions you can email me at
dennisl1...@gmail.com  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Manan 
Trivedi
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 3:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth 
Keyboard
 
Dear all. Let me start by Thanking you all for running or contributing to this 
useful list. My question is what keyboard command to use to simulate double tap 
and hold. For instance, to record a voice message on Whatsapp, you have to 
double tap and hold. When you are done recording your message, you release to 
send the message. I found no way to achieve this using bluetooth keyboard. I 
will appreciate some solution.
 
Thanks
 
MT
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Apr 26, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch mailto:florl...@iol.ie> > wrote:
 
 That's a WhatsApp number, BTW. If calling from outside of Ireland, you would 
prefix that number with the country code of 00353.
 
On 4/26/2024 4:10 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
For those not subscribed to David’s list, here is a good tip for those who use 
Google Maps in case you had not discovered it.  
>From David Goldfield’s Tech-VI list:
From: tech...@groups.io   tech...@groups.io 
  On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 4:51 AM
Subject: [Tech-VI] How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired 
Users in Google Maps
 
Vision Ireland - Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM

How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Maps


by Joe Lonergan
Detailed Voice Guidance is not a new feature, but it is not well known and is 
hidden deep in the settings of Google Maps. If you are a fan of Google Maps, we 
think it is a good feature to turn on for a vision-impaired or blind user.
Detailed Voice Guidance expands the existing walking directions guidance with 
several extra elements. The directions are more proactive so that if you take a 
wrong turn, the vocal guide will tell you and find the best way to your 
destination from your new point. Along the way, it will tell you not only where 
to turn, but how far away it is and in what direction you are facing, and the 
vocal guide will also alert you before reaching busy intersections.
So how do we turn on this detailed navigation feature?
1.  Open Google Maps
2.  Navigate to Account and Settings, If you are a VoiceOver user you will 
find it by flicking left and it is the first option you will hear.
3.  While in here go to Settings.
4.  Now go to Navigation
5.  Flick to the right all the way down until you get to detailed Voice 
Guidance and turn it on
We love to hear software companies adding features like this into universal or 
mainstream apps as it is easier to use one app to get most of your information 
and gives the user more freedom and confidence.
If you are a user of Google Maps and you have turned on this feature we would 
like to hear if you found the extra navigation voice cues help to get to your 
final destination or if you are a user of any other navigation or mobility apps 
like Soundscape or Apple Maps we would love to hear which you find best and why?
You can send a voice note to the Talking Technology WhatsApp number 086 199 
0011 and we can play it on the show.
https://vi.ie/how-to-turn-on-detailed-voice-guidance-for-vision-impaired-users-in-google-maps/
 
 
 
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
 
If you need help using your assistive technology learn about my training 
services by visiting
WWW.ScreenReaderTraining.com  
 
Am Yisrael Chai
The Nation of Israel Lives!
 
JAWS Certified, 2022 
 
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RE: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth Keyboard

[Dennis Long]

Joshua that won’t help him.  I’m provide the proper command shortly
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth 
Keyboard
 
Hello. On the hable one bluetooth braille keyboard, I press and hold dots 1-5. 
This works very well. I use it most with bard mobile.
Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!



On May 8, 2024, at 10:07 AM, Manan Trivedi mailto:manantrivedi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Dear all. Let me start by Thanking you all for running or contributing to this 
useful list. My question is what keyboard command to use to simulate double tap 
and hold. For instance, to record a voice message on Whatsapp, you have to 
double tap and hold. When you are done recording your message, you release to 
send the message. I found no way to achieve this using bluetooth keyboard. I 
will appreciate some solution.
 
Thanks
 
MT
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Apr 26, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch mailto:florl...@iol.ie> > wrote:
 
 That's a WhatsApp number, BTW. If calling from outside of Ireland, you would 
prefix that number with the country code of 00353.
 
On 4/26/2024 4:10 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
For those not subscribed to David’s list, here is a good tip for those who use 
Google Maps in case you had not discovered it.  
>From David Goldfield’s Tech-VI list:
From: tech...@groups.io   tech...@groups.io 
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Subject: [Tech-VI] How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired 
Users in Google Maps
 
Vision Ireland - Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM

How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Maps


by Joe Lonergan
Detailed Voice Guidance is not a new feature, but it is not well known and is 
hidden deep in the settings of Google Maps. If you are a fan of Google Maps, we 
think it is a good feature to turn on for a vision-impaired or blind user.
Detailed Voice Guidance expands the existing walking directions guidance with 
several extra elements. The directions are more proactive so that if you take a 
wrong turn, the vocal guide will tell you and find the best way to your 
destination from your new point. Along the way, it will tell you not only where 
to turn, but how far away it is and in what direction you are facing, and the 
vocal guide will also alert you before reaching busy intersections.
So how do we turn on this detailed navigation feature?
1.  Open Google Maps
2.  Navigate to Account and Settings, If you are a VoiceOver user you will 
find it by flicking left and it is the first option you will hear.
3.  While in here go to Settings.
4.  Now go to Navigation
5.  Flick to the right all the way down until you get to detailed Voice 
Guidance and turn it on
We love to hear software companies adding features like this into universal or 
mainstream apps as it is easier to use one app to get most of your information 
and gives the user more freedom and confidence.
If you are a user of Google Maps and you have turned on this feature we would 
like to hear if you found the extra navigation voice cues help to get to your 
final destination or if you are a user of any other navigation or mobility apps 
like Soundscape or Apple Maps we would love to hear which you find best and why?
You can send a voice note to the Talking Technology WhatsApp number 086 199 
0011 and we can play it on the show.
https://vi.ie/how-to-turn-on-detailed-voice-guidance-for-vision-impaired-users-in-google-maps/
 
 
 
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RE: Do not update Sonos!

[Dennis Long]

Sonos is just like every other company these days.  Accessibility we can get to 
later.  There are few companies who put accessibility at the core of what they 
do.  Apple is one of the few that does.  Sad more companies don’t adopt Apple’s 
values.
 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 7:05 PM
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Subject: RE: Do not update Sonos!
 
Thanks for this. I disabled automatic updates in the app store and set my 
system to not update automatically. This is probably the most disappointing 
accessibility issue I’ve ever faced. I have thousands of dollars invested in 
Sonos. I sure hope they take steps to make it right.
 
Chris Judge
 

 
 

 
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Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Do not update Sonos!
 
 
 
The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!
It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good as 
before.
Without Screen Recognition it is useless.
I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things 
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.
And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your System 
button does nothing.
And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says 
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System Button, 
but again, it doesn’t activate.
 
  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you want 
a totally frustrating experience, don’t update.  I updated on my iPad Mini 6 
which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won’t be touching the update on my phone.
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
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RE: bug RE: Incoming notifications destroy the reading of a current article

[Dennis Long]

Mary are you on any betas?  Have you sent them screen recordings of the issue?

-Original Message-
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Otten
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 11:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bug RE: Incoming notifications destroy the reading of a current 
article

I have to disagree, Earl. I guess you’re blessed, or maybe you’re running an 
iPhone 15? My settings on an iPhone 7 Plus for notifications are the same as 
for my XR. But I can read articles using my 7+, older phone and they just read. 
With the 10 R, it’s awful. An incoming notification even if it doesn’t talk, I 
hear the ding, and then the reading stops. I’ve posted about this before, even 
without notifications coming in. You can invoke reader mode or not. Sometimes 
reader mode helps. But mostly it’s not helping. There is a huge problem and I 
have reported it to no avail. Why does my old 7+ which is stuck back on I think 
it’s iOS 15 I don’t know. Why does that work to read through articles but the 
newer iOS doesn’t? So I have to disagree with you. Something else is happening 
here. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2024, at 7:58 PM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what I would change in voiceover settings under verbosity to  
> make it so that an article will continuously  read.
> 
> On Apr 28, 2024, at 8:30 PM, Earle  wrote:
> 
> This is not an iOS bug. I'm running iOS 17.4.1 and I am not experiencing 
> this. Check your notification verbosity settings under VoiceOver settings.
> 
> Earle
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 4:53 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> This is an ios17 bug so follow me and do all report to accessib...@apple.com
>> 
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Mary Otten
>> Verzonden: woensdag 24 april 2024 5:21
>> Aan: VIPhone via 
>> Onderwerp: Incoming notifications destroy the reading of a current article
>> 
>> I have two iPhones, the newer one, an iPhone XR, and my ancient really 
>> ancient iPhone 7 Plus. If I am reading an article on the seriously older 
>> phone, I never have this problem. So that means it must have come from an 
>> iOS that my old phone doesn’t have. I think I’m stuck on that phone on iOS 
>> 15. Whenever I am reading something, be at an email or something on the web, 
>> when a notification comes in, I get the notification sound, the reading 
>> absolutely stops and it’s curtains time. On the old iPhone, the reading just 
>> keeps on happening. So I don’t know what’s going on if I have a setting that 
>> I need to change on my so-called newer phone or not. But I am also finding 
>> the same crap when I’m trying to read an article or something And there are 
>> advertisements. The old phone just blows them away and doesn’t care. The 
>> newer phone, reading stops and everything’s crappy. So it’s got to be 
>> something in the newer versions of iOS that my old 7+ doesn’t have. It’s way 
>> more pleasant frankly to read things on the old phone because unwanted 
>> interruptions and ads don’t kill things.  is anybody else noticed this and 
>> what can I do about it?
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: putting an description on a photo

[Dennis Long]

That worked.  Thanks.
 
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 12:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: putting an description on a photo
 
Yes and slight variant is
Try a two finger double tap and hold.
That should open an edit box.
Type the name and find the done or save button and double tap.



On 28 Apr 2024, at 02:51, Chris Chaffin mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 
To add a description to a photo:
1, After double tapping the photo, swipe and choose the edit button.
2, On the pop up menu, choose mark up.
3, On the next pop up menu, swipe all the way to the end and choose the add 
button.
4, Swipe and choose description.
5, After typing your description, hit the done button.  Then you will have two 
more done buttons to hit, and then you should be back on your photo.
 
Hope this has been helpful.
 
Chris
 



On Apr 27, 2024, at 5:44 PM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi, how do you put a description on a photo?
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RE: The weather channel app

[Dennis Long]

Weatherology is a good app I only see getting better over time.

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Irons
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 3:19 PM
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Subject: Re: The weather channel app

I went ahead and got the Weatherology app. I was able to get alerts and 
notifications on the weather channel app, but the rest of it was pretty 
difficult for me to work with. Having a weather channel app that is accessible 
is a matter of life and death for me. I happen to be in Norman Oklahoma, where 
we get lots of storms, tornado watches, and occasionally a tornado warning.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2024, at 12:15 PM, kheve...@fuse.net wrote:
> 
> Janet, I don't know about the weather channel app.  But, weatherology is a 
> free very accessible app.  There's even a voice that will read the weather 
> forecast to you.  It's available in the apple app store.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
> Wright
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 12:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The weather channel app
> 
> how’s the weather channel app gotten any more accessible? Can you listen to 
> life feed of the weather channel through the weather channel app?
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putting an description on a photo

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Hi, how do you put a description on a photo?

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RE: Setting Default Option In Rotor

[Dennis Long]

Change rotor with  item if you turn that off it won’t change anything.  You 
will have to manually change it.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 12:37 PM
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Subject: RE: Setting Default Option In Rotor
 
No
 
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Vicki W.
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 5:40 AM
To: IPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Setting Default Option In Rotor
 
Hi,
 
Is there a way to set the default option in the rotor or turn it off so there 
is no default option?
 
Thank you.
 
Vicki
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RE: Setting Default Option In Rotor

[Dennis Long]

You can turn off it automatically going to what it think it should be yes.  
I’ll look what it is and reply back
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 12:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Setting Default Option In Rotor
 
No
 
 
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Vicki W.
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 5:40 AM
To: IPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Setting Default Option In Rotor
 
Hi,
 
Is there a way to set the default option in the rotor or turn it off so there 
is no default option?
 
Thank you.
 
Vicki
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blog post by Jonathan mosen

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https://mosen.org/voicedream/
 

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RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

I hope so like I’ve stated several times I have no issue paying for new 
functionality I and others have issue with them taking away existing 
functionality
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 6:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Brilliant—thanks Feliciano, Richard, Dennis and everyone else who replied. I 
did "report a problem" several days ago in the App Store but I think Apple just 
uses that for internal purposes. I'll file feedback through the developer site 
as well. Hopefully we can put this on Apple's radar.



Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 3:34 PM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
What Jonathan says is to go to developer.apple.com/contact 
<http://developer.apple.com/contact>  “if you can manage it.”
Then, you have to sign in with your Apple ID, enter a verification code, and 
then if you try just going to contact, you get nowhere.  At least I got nowhere.
However, if you click on the Feedback Assistant, you get to the page where you 
can submit feedback.
https://feedbackassistant.apple.com/
 
You may have to still sign in and deal with the verification code, but you will 
be able to find a compose new feedback link or search for previous feedback you 
wish to add to I believe.
 
HTH,
 
 
 
Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Please do one better and follow the steps outlined by Jonathan Mosen.  This was 
posted to his mastodon feed.  It goes to the proper team.
https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/208/510/831/262/201/original/d9ce03ec2b623f64.mp3
 
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 5:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hi all, 
If anyone wants to bring up these concerns, I believe that it is better done 
through Apple then on these list. It's fairly easy to do, on the App Store, 
search the app and towards the bottom there's a report button. Sign into your 
Apple account and select one of the following options that are given there and 
on the text box, you can write your concerns
 
Feliciano 
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do. -Steve Jobs 
 
On Apr 3, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
Lets be clear I agree it needs money to continue development.  I don’t say it 
doesn’t but you can’t take away existing functionality I paid for away.  If it 
were a free app then we wouldn’t have a leg to stand on but it wasn’t.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 4:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
I absolutely agree, I follow Jonathan's fantastic podcast and advocacy work and 
I'm really glad to see him adding his voice about this issue. I think this 
developer will have a tough fight on their hands. I don’t feel like my opinion 
is such an outlier now lol.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:52 PM Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I think we have a fighting.  Jonathan Mosen is a well known and respected 
voice.  When he mobilizes the community look out.  Apple will get a number of 
complaints just because of that I suspect they will be in trouble unless they 
release a old version with the current functionality.  Sure new voices they 
don’t have to include nor do they have to include kindle support or anything 
else they might add.  They do have to give us what we paid for.
 
From: 

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

Please do one better and follow the steps outlined by Jonathan Mosen.  This was 
posted to his mastodon feed.  It goes to the proper team.
https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/208/510/831/262/201/original/d9ce03ec2b623f64.mp3
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 5:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hi all, 
If anyone wants to bring up these concerns, I believe that it is better done 
through Apple then on these list. It's fairly easy to do, on the App Store, 
search the app and towards the bottom there's a report button. Sign into your 
Apple account and select one of the following options that are given there and 
on the text box, you can write your concerns
 
Feliciano 
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Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v <http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v> 
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do. -Steve Jobs 



On Apr 3, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
Lets be clear I agree it needs money to continue development.  I don’t say it 
doesn’t but you can’t take away existing functionality I paid for away.  If it 
were a free app then we wouldn’t have a leg to stand on but it wasn’t.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 4:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
I absolutely agree, I follow Jonathan's fantastic podcast and advocacy work and 
I'm really glad to see him adding his voice about this issue. I think this 
developer will have a tough fight on their hands. I don’t feel like my opinion 
is such an outlier now lol.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:52 PM Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I think we have a fighting.  Jonathan Mosen is a well known and respected 
voice.  When he mobilizes the community look out.  Apple will get a number of 
complaints just because of that I suspect they will be in trouble unless they 
release a old version with the current functionality.  Sure new voices they 
don’t have to include nor do they have to include kindle support or anything 
else they might add.  They do have to give us what we paid for.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
They're absolutely violating the guidelines, the guidelines explicitly state to 
not do what they're doing. The only question is whether it will be noticed or 
acted upon. I could see it going either way.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:31 PM Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I don’t have a problem with new features being paid.  I do have a problem with 
disabling existing functionality we paid for.I have filed an complaint.  I 
encourage all to follow Jonathan’s instructions.  I also contacted Voicedream 
and pointed out where I believe they are in violation of the guidelines.  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hey Richard,
 
If I may, I do feel like the distinction between ‘rules’ and ‘guidelines’ is a 
bit pedantic. The App Store review guidelines at 
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ do also use the term 
“rule” frequently throughout the text. For example, they say, “We hope these 
guidelines help you sail through the review process, and that approvals and 
rejections remain consistent across the board. This is a living document; new 
apps presenting new questions may result in new rules at any time.”
 
In this case the guideline I referenced, 3.1.2, states: “If you are changing 
your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you should not take 
away the primary functionality existing users have already paid for.”
 
This is pretty clear in my view, it’s essentially saying, don’t try to charge 
for something a user already bought, don’t take away purchases users already 
made. And that Apple page says they hope the guidelines will be enforced 
consistently across the

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

Lets be clear I agree it needs money to continue development.  I don’t say it 
doesn’t but you can’t take away existing functionality I paid for away.  If it 
were a free app then we wouldn’t have a leg to stand on but it wasn’t.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 4:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
I absolutely agree, I follow Jonathan's fantastic podcast and advocacy work and 
I'm really glad to see him adding his voice about this issue. I think this 
developer will have a tough fight on their hands. I don’t feel like my opinion 
is such an outlier now lol.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:52 PM Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I think we have a fighting.  Jonathan Mosen is a well known and respected 
voice.  When he mobilizes the community look out.  Apple will get a number of 
complaints just because of that I suspect they will be in trouble unless they 
release a old version with the current functionality.  Sure new voices they 
don’t have to include nor do they have to include kindle support or anything 
else they might add.  They do have to give us what we paid for.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
They're absolutely violating the guidelines, the guidelines explicitly state to 
not do what they're doing. The only question is whether it will be noticed or 
acted upon. I could see it going either way.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:31 PM Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I don’t have a problem with new features being paid.  I do have a problem with 
disabling existing functionality we paid for.I have filed an complaint.  I 
encourage all to follow Jonathan’s instructions.  I also contacted Voicedream 
and pointed out where I believe they are in violation of the guidelines.  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hey Richard,
 
If I may, I do feel like the distinction between ‘rules’ and ‘guidelines’ is a 
bit pedantic. The App Store review guidelines at 
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ do also use the term 
“rule” frequently throughout the text. For example, they say, “We hope these 
guidelines help you sail through the review process, and that approvals and 
rejections remain consistent across the board. This is a living document; new 
apps presenting new questions may result in new rules at any time.”
 
In this case the guideline I referenced, 3.1.2, states: “If you are changing 
your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you should not take 
away the primary functionality existing users have already paid for.”
 
This is pretty clear in my view, it’s essentially saying, don’t try to charge 
for something a user already bought, don’t take away purchases users already 
made. And that Apple page says they hope the guidelines will be enforced 
consistently across the board. The guideline also makes common sense to me. For 
example, I wouldn’t sell you a music album, then expect you to rent it out 
later. 
 
This looks pretty clear-cut to me. You are absolutely right that it may not 
turn out to be an issue for this developer. The Apple reviewers may not notice, 
they might notice but let it slide, the guidelines may be changed, something 
else might happen. However at this point, it’s pretty clear that Apple doesn’t 
want developers to rent out features that users already bought.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 9:32 AM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
People have been quoting an Apple guideline for Developers concerning Voice 
Dream Reader changing to a subscription model and changing people's access to 
new content etc. 
I decided to look at definitions. Here is the Marium Webster dictionary 
definition of "Guidelines:"
*a line by which one is guided: such as
a: a cord or rope to aid a passer over a difficult point or to permit retracing 
a course
b: an indication or outline of policy or conduct
Now, a rule is quite different and since Apple uses guidelines and not rules, a 
developer is not required to strictly adhere to anyone's interpretation of a 
guideline in my opinion. Here is the Marium Webster definition of rules: 

Definition (Entry 1 of 2)

*   1a: a prescribed guide for conduct or action
b:

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

I think we have a fighting.  Jonathan Mosen is a well known and respected 
voice.  When he mobilizes the community look out.  Apple will get a number of 
complaints just because of that I suspect they will be in trouble unless they 
release a old version with the current functionality.  Sure new voices they 
don’t have to include nor do they have to include kindle support or anything 
else they might add.  They do have to give us what we paid for.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
They're absolutely violating the guidelines, the guidelines explicitly state to 
not do what they're doing. The only question is whether it will be noticed or 
acted upon. I could see it going either way.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:31 PM Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I don’t have a problem with new features being paid.  I do have a problem with 
disabling existing functionality we paid for.I have filed an complaint.  I 
encourage all to follow Jonathan’s instructions.  I also contacted Voicedream 
and pointed out where I believe they are in violation of the guidelines.  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hey Richard,
 
If I may, I do feel like the distinction between ‘rules’ and ‘guidelines’ is a 
bit pedantic. The App Store review guidelines at 
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ do also use the term 
“rule” frequently throughout the text. For example, they say, “We hope these 
guidelines help you sail through the review process, and that approvals and 
rejections remain consistent across the board. This is a living document; new 
apps presenting new questions may result in new rules at any time.”
 
In this case the guideline I referenced, 3.1.2, states: “If you are changing 
your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you should not take 
away the primary functionality existing users have already paid for.”
 
This is pretty clear in my view, it’s essentially saying, don’t try to charge 
for something a user already bought, don’t take away purchases users already 
made. And that Apple page says they hope the guidelines will be enforced 
consistently across the board. The guideline also makes common sense to me. For 
example, I wouldn’t sell you a music album, then expect you to rent it out 
later. 
 
This looks pretty clear-cut to me. You are absolutely right that it may not 
turn out to be an issue for this developer. The Apple reviewers may not notice, 
they might notice but let it slide, the guidelines may be changed, something 
else might happen. However at this point, it’s pretty clear that Apple doesn’t 
want developers to rent out features that users already bought.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 9:32 AM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
People have been quoting an Apple guideline for Developers concerning Voice 
Dream Reader changing to a subscription model and changing people's access to 
new content etc. 
I decided to look at definitions. Here is the Marium Webster dictionary 
definition of "Guidelines:"
*a line by which one is guided: such as
a: a cord or rope to aid a passer over a difficult point or to permit retracing 
a course
b: an indication or outline of policy or conduct
Now, a rule is quite different and since Apple uses guidelines and not rules, a 
developer is not required to strictly adhere to anyone's interpretation of a 
guideline in my opinion. Here is the Marium Webster definition of rules: 

Definition (Entry 1 of 2)

*   1a: a prescribed guide for conduct or action
b: the laws or regulations prescribed by the founder of a religious order for 
observance by its members
c: an accepted procedure, custom, or habit
d(1): a usually written order or direction made by a court regulating court 
practice or the action of parties
(2): a legal precept or doctrine
e: a regulation or bylaw governing procedure or controlling conduct
*   2a(1): a usually valid generalization
(2): a generally prevailing quality, state, or mode //fair weather was the 
ruleyesterday — The New York Times
b: a standard of judgment :CRITERION
c: a regulating principle
d: a determinate method for performing a mathematical operation and obtaining a 
certain result
*   3a: the exercise of authority or control : DOMINION
b: a period during which a specified ruler or government exercises control
*   4a: a strip of material marked off in units used especially for 
measuring : RULER sense 3, TAPE MEASURE
b: a metal stri

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

I don’t have a problem with new features being paid.  I do have a problem with 
disabling existing functionality we paid for.I have filed an complaint.  I 
encourage all to follow Jonathan’s instructions.  I also contacted Voicedream 
and pointed out where I believe they are in violation of the guidelines.  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hey Richard,
 
If I may, I do feel like the distinction between ‘rules’ and ‘guidelines’ is a 
bit pedantic. The App Store review guidelines at 
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ do also use the term 
“rule” frequently throughout the text. For example, they say, “We hope these 
guidelines help you sail through the review process, and that approvals and 
rejections remain consistent across the board. This is a living document; new 
apps presenting new questions may result in new rules at any time.”
 
In this case the guideline I referenced, 3.1.2, states: “If you are changing 
your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you should not take 
away the primary functionality existing users have already paid for.”
 
This is pretty clear in my view, it’s essentially saying, don’t try to charge 
for something a user already bought, don’t take away purchases users already 
made. And that Apple page says they hope the guidelines will be enforced 
consistently across the board. The guideline also makes common sense to me. For 
example, I wouldn’t sell you a music album, then expect you to rent it out 
later. 
 
This looks pretty clear-cut to me. You are absolutely right that it may not 
turn out to be an issue for this developer. The Apple reviewers may not notice, 
they might notice but let it slide, the guidelines may be changed, something 
else might happen. However at this point, it’s pretty clear that Apple doesn’t 
want developers to rent out features that users already bought.




Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 9:32 AM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
People have been quoting an Apple guideline for Developers concerning Voice 
Dream Reader changing to a subscription model and changing people's access to 
new content etc. 
I decided to look at definitions. Here is the Marium Webster dictionary 
definition of "Guidelines:"
*a line by which one is guided: such as
a: a cord or rope to aid a passer over a difficult point or to permit retracing 
a course
b: an indication or outline of policy or conduct
Now, a rule is quite different and since Apple uses guidelines and not rules, a 
developer is not required to strictly adhere to anyone's interpretation of a 
guideline in my opinion. Here is the Marium Webster definition of rules: 

Definition (Entry 1 of 2)

*   1a: a prescribed guide for conduct or action
b: the laws or regulations prescribed by the founder of a religious order for 
observance by its members
c: an accepted procedure, custom, or habit
d(1): a usually written order or direction made by a court regulating court 
practice or the action of parties
(2): a legal precept or doctrine
e: a regulation or bylaw governing procedure or controlling conduct
*   2a(1): a usually valid generalization
(2): a generally prevailing quality, state, or mode //fair weather was the 
ruleyesterday — The New York Times
b: a standard of judgment :CRITERION
c: a regulating principle
d: a determinate method for performing a mathematical operation and obtaining a 
certain result
*   3a: the exercise of authority or control : DOMINION
b: a period during which a specified ruler or government exercises control
*   4a: a strip of material marked off in units used especially for 
measuring : RULER sense 3, TAPE MEASURE
b: a metal strip with a type-high face that prints a linear design
also : a linear design produced by or as if by such a strip
*   as ​a ​rule
: for the most part : GENERALLY
 
 
 
Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

For what it is worth Jonathan Mosen also thinks they are violating the 
guidelines.  Not for charging new features but for removing what we paid for.  
Hear below.  This was posted to his mastodon account.
https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/208/510/831/262/201/original/d9ce03ec2b623f64.mp3
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hey Richard,
 
If I may, I do feel like the distinction between ‘rules’ and ‘guidelines’ is a 
bit pedantic. The App Store review guidelines at 
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ do also use the term 
“rule” frequently throughout the text. For example, they say, “We hope these 
guidelines help you sail through the review process, and that approvals and 
rejections remain consistent across the board. This is a living document; new 
apps presenting new questions may result in new rules at any time.”
 
In this case the guideline I referenced, 3.1.2, states: “If you are changing 
your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you should not take 
away the primary functionality existing users have already paid for.”
 
This is pretty clear in my view, it’s essentially saying, don’t try to charge 
for something a user already bought, don’t take away purchases users already 
made. And that Apple page says they hope the guidelines will be enforced 
consistently across the board. The guideline also makes common sense to me. For 
example, I wouldn’t sell you a music album, then expect you to rent it out 
later. 
 
This looks pretty clear-cut to me. You are absolutely right that it may not 
turn out to be an issue for this developer. The Apple reviewers may not notice, 
they might notice but let it slide, the guidelines may be changed, something 
else might happen. However at this point, it’s pretty clear that Apple doesn’t 
want developers to rent out features that users already bought.




Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 9:32 AM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
People have been quoting an Apple guideline for Developers concerning Voice 
Dream Reader changing to a subscription model and changing people's access to 
new content etc. 
I decided to look at definitions. Here is the Marium Webster dictionary 
definition of "Guidelines:"
*a line by which one is guided: such as
a: a cord or rope to aid a passer over a difficult point or to permit retracing 
a course
b: an indication or outline of policy or conduct
Now, a rule is quite different and since Apple uses guidelines and not rules, a 
developer is not required to strictly adhere to anyone's interpretation of a 
guideline in my opinion. Here is the Marium Webster definition of rules: 

Definition (Entry 1 of 2)

*   1a: a prescribed guide for conduct or action
b: the laws or regulations prescribed by the founder of a religious order for 
observance by its members
c: an accepted procedure, custom, or habit
d(1): a usually written order or direction made by a court regulating court 
practice or the action of parties
(2): a legal precept or doctrine
e: a regulation or bylaw governing procedure or controlling conduct
*   2a(1): a usually valid generalization
(2): a generally prevailing quality, state, or mode //fair weather was the 
ruleyesterday — The New York Times
b: a standard of judgment :CRITERION
c: a regulating principle
d: a determinate method for performing a mathematical operation and obtaining a 
certain result
*   3a: the exercise of authority or control : DOMINION
b: a period during which a specified ruler or government exercises control
*   4a: a strip of material marked off in units used especially for 
measuring : RULER sense 3, TAPE MEASURE
b: a metal strip with a type-high face that prints a linear design
also : a linear design produced by or as if by such a strip
*   as ​a ​rule
: for the most part : GENERALLY
 
 
 
Richard, USA
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RE: Discouraging News From The App Store

[Dennis Long]

I would think Voicedream has lawyers that reviewed the developer agreement at 
length.  I suspect they are able to do this.

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Schmidt
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 4:16 PM
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Subject: Discouraging News From The App Store

Apple advisors have been known to get things wrong, it will be interesting to 
hear what others hear about this. I called Apple about the voice dream 
situation, as to whether they could disable part of their app if we don't 
subscribe. He was very familiar with the guideline that some on this list would 
say that they can't do that. He said that guideline only applied to Apple 
products. Third party app developers are not subject to this guideline. As I 
stated before, these advisors have been known tin get it wrong sometimes. Let's 
hope this is one of those times. 

Arnold Schmidt 

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RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

harging existing users for updates. But I haven't ever heard of an app that is 
disabling previously purchased functionality from working at all. Regardless of 
the PR that this generates, I'm a little unclear how this is in accordance with 
the Developer Guidelines as quoted above.
 
If it is, I am curious then if it would be reasonable to expect every app 
purchase we've made on iOS to be disabled then at some point. I'm not talking 
about apps not being developed anymore and possibly not working anymore given 
an update to iOS etc.. I am talking about code that specifically tells the app 
not to recognize your previously purchased license.
 
just some food for thought. Again, I am absolutely sympathetic to the new 
owners of Voice Dream Reader, but I don't think disabling previous purchases is 
the appropriate solution. At the moment, I'm working on transitioning my audio 
content to Downcast. Haven't decided what to do about my text content yet.
 
Thank you,
Grant Hardy
 
 
On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 6:01 PM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
I took Dennis’s advice and made a donation to listen to Jonathan interviewing 
Kishin Manglani from the Applause Group.
It is very much worth listening to.  It is fairly long, but it is very clear 
that they care very much about their customers and are doing their best to 
provide a quality product and adding new features.
 
The one thing I noticed if you go into the Voice Dream Reader app and double 
tap on settings, then on subscription, it brings up the post titled Pricing 
Changes for One-Time Purchasers.
As you read through that, when you get to the line that says, try the 14 day 
trial or something like that, it doesn’t say it is a link or button, but if you 
double tap on that, it takes you to the app store where you can choose to 
subscribe and get 2 weeks free if you were a one-time purchaser.  I don’t know 
what you get if you are a new subscriber.
 
But signing up this way keeps it fairly simple and familiar since it is within 
the app store.
The difference from subscribing through the link through a service that seems 
to be called Stripe or something; whatever Jonathan said, the Applause Group 
gets a higher cut of the payment than if you go through the app store.
I don’t know if people realize, that whatever price you pay for an app through 
the app store, Apple gets a pretty big cut.  I think 20 or 30 percent and the 
developer gets the rest.
 
IN any case, I’ve signed up through the app store.
 
They will be offering a monthly option in the not too distant future.
 
HTH,
 
Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 11:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
You can subscribe to livingly blindfully plus for just 60 American cents and 
get access today or wait 3 days.  I strongly encourage you to listen to it.  I 
do think the Voicedream team does care and value our feedback.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hello everybody I believe that we just have to except what do people with voice 
dream reader want to do. That developers are totally free to increase prices or 
make free apps, paid apps or whatever they feel they want to do need to do or 
have to do to make money. Just remember that Free doesn’t make any money for 
anybody and, he doesn’t buy anyone’s lunch. I think we’d all be better served 
if we could look for something that does the same things as voice dream reader 
and it’s either Free or at least at low cost. It just sounds like the people 
that work with voice dream reader are going to do whatever they’re going to do 
and they’re not willing to, or able to change their minds.  Just trying to find 
an alternative would be a lot more productive for everybody than just talking 
about not being able to use voice dream reader. I’m just saying all this 
whatever it’s worth. For all I know it may not be worth anything not even a 
plug penny or a plug nickel. 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@li

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

I will echo your feedback.  They have lost the trust of the community through 
their own actions.  Finding out through someone else getting emails about it is 
not how we  should’ve found out.  Had they controlled the narrative would’ve 
been the best result.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 10:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
I agree with their communication issues.  I just wrote them and recommended 
they start their own email discussion list.  The one that currently exists that 
Alan Lemley started called Voice Dream Products still includes the apps Winston 
owns, so they need to start their own.
I hope they do sooner rather than later.
 
Take care,
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 6:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Richard I do agree with you  I do think they truly care.  There messaging and 
communication is absolutely terrible and that is something they need to work 
on.  Being honest transparent and communicating with us to see what we want and 
need in the app will go a long way.  But again Richard I do agree they care.  
I’m considering the monthly option.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
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Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
I took Dennis’s advice and made a donation to listen to Jonathan interviewing 
Kishin Manglani from the Applause Group.
It is very much worth listening to.  It is fairly long, but it is very clear 
that they care very much about their customers and are doing their best to 
provide a quality product and adding new features.
 
The one thing I noticed if you go into the Voice Dream Reader app and double 
tap on settings, then on subscription, it brings up the post titled Pricing 
Changes for One-Time Purchasers.
As you read through that, when you get to the line that says, try the 14 day 
trial or something like that, it doesn’t say it is a link or button, but if you 
double tap on that, it takes you to the app store where you can choose to 
subscribe and get 2 weeks free if you were a one-time purchaser.  I don’t know 
what you get if you are a new subscriber.
 
But signing up this way keeps it fairly simple and familiar since it is within 
the app store.
The difference from subscribing through the link through a service that seems 
to be called Stripe or something; whatever Jonathan said, the Applause Group 
gets a higher cut of the payment than if you go through the app store.
I don’t know if people realize, that whatever price you pay for an app through 
the app store, Apple gets a pretty big cut.  I think 20 or 30 percent and the 
developer gets the rest.
 
IN any case, I’ve signed up through the app store.
 
They will be offering a monthly option in the not too distant future.
 
HTH,
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 11:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
You can subscribe to livingly blindfully plus for just 60 American cents and 
get access today or wait 3 days.  I strongly encourage you to listen to it.  I 
do think the Voicedream team does care and value our feedback.
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple abou

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

Richard I do agree with you  I do think they truly care.  There messaging and 
communication is absolutely terrible and that is something they need to work 
on.  Being honest transparent and communicating with us to see what we want and 
need in the app will go a long way.  But again Richard I do agree they care.  
I’m considering the monthly option.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
I took Dennis’s advice and made a donation to listen to Jonathan interviewing 
Kishin Manglani from the Applause Group.
It is very much worth listening to.  It is fairly long, but it is very clear 
that they care very much about their customers and are doing their best to 
provide a quality product and adding new features.
 
The one thing I noticed if you go into the Voice Dream Reader app and double 
tap on settings, then on subscription, it brings up the post titled Pricing 
Changes for One-Time Purchasers.
As you read through that, when you get to the line that says, try the 14 day 
trial or something like that, it doesn’t say it is a link or button, but if you 
double tap on that, it takes you to the app store where you can choose to 
subscribe and get 2 weeks free if you were a one-time purchaser.  I don’t know 
what you get if you are a new subscriber.
 
But signing up this way keeps it fairly simple and familiar since it is within 
the app store.
The difference from subscribing through the link through a service that seems 
to be called Stripe or something; whatever Jonathan said, the Applause Group 
gets a higher cut of the payment than if you go through the app store.
I don’t know if people realize, that whatever price you pay for an app through 
the app store, Apple gets a pretty big cut.  I think 20 or 30 percent and the 
developer gets the rest.
 
IN any case, I’ve signed up through the app store.
 
They will be offering a monthly option in the not too distant future.
 
HTH,
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 11:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
You can subscribe to livingly blindfully plus for just 60 American cents and 
get access today or wait 3 days.  I strongly encourage you to listen to it.  I 
do think the Voicedream team does care and value our feedback.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hello everybody I believe that we just have to except what do people with voice 
dream reader want to do. That developers are totally free to increase prices or 
make free apps, paid apps or whatever they feel they want to do need to do or 
have to do to make money. Just remember that Free doesn’t make any money for 
anybody and, he doesn’t buy anyone’s lunch. I think we’d all be better served 
if we could look for something that does the same things as voice dream reader 
and it’s either Free or at least at low cost. It just sounds like the people 
that work with voice dream reader are going to do whatever they’re going to do 
and they’re not willing to, or able to change their minds.  Just trying to find 
an alternative would be a lot more productive for everybody than just talking 
about not being able to use voice dream reader. I’m just saying all this 
whatever it’s worth. For all I know it may not be worth anything not even a 
plug penny or a plug nickel. 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
 
I highly doubt it violates any Apple rules, if a developer decides to increase 
the price for their app or to charge something for a previously free app or to 
switch to a subscription model then that is entirely their decision. 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 10:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

You can subscribe to livingly blindfully plus for just 60 American cents and 
get access today or wait 3 days.  I strongly encourage you to listen to it.  I 
do think the Voicedream team does care and value our feedback.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hello everybody I believe that we just have to except what do people with voice 
dream reader want to do. That developers are totally free to increase prices or 
make free apps, paid apps or whatever they feel they want to do need to do or 
have to do to make money. Just remember that Free doesn’t make any money for 
anybody and, he doesn’t buy anyone’s lunch. I think we’d all be better served 
if we could look for something that does the same things as voice dream reader 
and it’s either Free or at least at low cost. It just sounds like the people 
that work with voice dream reader are going to do whatever they’re going to do 
and they’re not willing to, or able to change their minds.  Just trying to find 
an alternative would be a lot more productive for everybody than just talking 
about not being able to use voice dream reader. I’m just saying all this 
whatever it’s worth. For all I know it may not be worth anything not even a 
plug penny or a plug nickel. 
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
 
I highly doubt it violates any Apple rules, if a developer decides to increase 
the price for their app or to charge something for a previously free app or to 
switch to a subscription model then that is entirely their decision. 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 10:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hey guys,
 
If you search for Voice Dream Reader on the App Store, open the page for the 
app, and scroll down, there is an option to "report a problem". Please consider 
reporting what the developer is doing to Apple. I am not sure if it violates 
any developer guidelines, but it sure seems like it would: selling lifetime 
licenses with agreed upon terms and then disabling them. The nature of how the 
update was released also didn't give users any warning or opt-out, as the new 
deadline wasn't mentioned in the release notes. I think Apple uses these for 
internal purposes, and if enough people file reports then they may act upon it.
 
I would also recommend leaving a review of the app and mentioning the upcoming 
disabling of previously purchased licenses, and how the update was handled.
 
I absolutely do not have a problem with developers going the subscription 
route, charging for new features and updates, or raising prices. It's a tough 
world out there. But I do have serious concerns about pushing out an update 
that disables previously purchased licenses from continuing to work at all and 
not mentioning that this would happen in the release notes. I would imagine 
this will impact many schools and other educational institutions as well who 
will rely on having access to this app at least for the remainder of the school 
year.
Let's hope we can share with the developer and Apple some constructive feedback.
 
Grant Hardy
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RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

I do suggest if you have the .60 cents you subscribe to living Blindfully plus 
and listen to the podcast.  I do think the Voicedream cares and values our 
feedback.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 12:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: siegh...@live.ca
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hello Sieghard,
 
Developer guideline 3.1.2(a) Permissible uses, states, in part:
 
If you are changing your existing app to a subscription-based business model, 
you should not take away the primary functionality existing users have already 
paid for. For example, let customers who have already purchased a “full game 
unlock” continue to access the full game after you introduce a subscription 
model for new customers.
 
Source: 
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/
 
Do you not think this applies? If not, what would stop me from selling you an 
app for $99 then a couple months later stating that I am disabling your 
purchase and switching to a subscription-only model? Are all perpetual 
purchases subject to being disabled then?
 
There is also a guideline about undocumented functionality not being permitted. 
The notice that the app is switching to a subscription-only model starting May 
1st arrived after installing an update, and that caveat was not mentioned as a 
"feature" for that update. Thus, I think that guideline may apply as well.
 
Thanks,functionality:
 




Grant Hardy
 
 
On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 4:46 PM Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
I highly doubt it violates any Apple rules, if a developer decides to increase 
the price for their app or to charge something for a previously free app or to 
switch to a subscription model then that is entirely their decision. 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 10:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hey guys,
 
If you search for Voice Dream Reader on the App Store, open the page for the 
app, and scroll down, there is an option to "report a problem". Please consider 
reporting what the developer is doing to Apple. I am not sure if it violates 
any developer guidelines, but it sure seems like it would: selling lifetime 
licenses with agreed upon terms and then disabling them. The nature of how the 
update was released also didn't give users any warning or opt-out, as the new 
deadline wasn't mentioned in the release notes. I think Apple uses these for 
internal purposes, and if enough people file reports then they may act upon it.
 
I would also recommend leaving a review of the app and mentioning the upcoming 
disabling of previously purchased licenses, and how the update was handled.
 
I absolutely do not have a problem with developers going the subscription 
route, charging for new features and updates, or raising prices. It's a tough 
world out there. But I do have serious concerns about pushing out an update 
that disables previously purchased licenses from continuing to work at all and 
not mentioning that this would happen in the release notes. I would imagine 
this will impact many schools and other educational institutions as well who 
will rely on having access to this app at least for the remainder of the school 
year.
Let's hope we can share with the developer and Apple some constructive feedback.
 
Grant Hardy
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latest updates from supersense

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enjoy these wonderful updates lol 

Hello, We've received many requests from our users and are responding to them 
with the feature updates in the highest demand. We're thrilled to announce the 
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RE: Speech Central developer?

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Sure.  Try this.
off...@speechcentral.net  
 
 
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Hi. Does anyone have the e-mail address of the Speech Central developer app? If 
I recall well, sometimes he pops in, isn’t it? Maybe someone caught his address?
 
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RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

[Dennis Long]

I’ll restate Had it been  Winston I wouldn’t have an issue.  Why not?  Winston 
was honest transparent and engaged with the community.  The Applause Group  
does not engage with the community at all.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
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Dennis,
You need to get your facts straight.
The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023.  Applause Group 
never said you would never have to pay.  They said you didn’t have to pay right 
away.
Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision.  
But, you are spreading false information.
Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong 
information.
 
Could they have handled it differently, probably so.
 
And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact 
same thing.  
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com
 
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Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
 
This was published to his Mastodon feed.
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RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

[Dennis Long]

So lets say they at least did a poor job of explaining what was to come.  My 
issue is should we trust them that we will pay the $60 a year?  Are we really 
locked into that price as their blog post states?  Or if it goes up to $150 
next year is it 25% off that $150?  This is what happens when you promise the 
community one thing and do another.  Had they said “we are not changing things 
for current users at this time but that may change down the road they would be 
protected and I would not have any leg to stand on.  It was how they did this.  
Not everyone got emails.  I know I didn’t.  
 
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Turner
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Do you have a link to that thread?
 
 
 
Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com
 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
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richard with all do respect if you look at the applevis thread they said 
existing users wouldn't be effected. "they were switching to  a subscription 
for ew users only"  
 
 
Dennis Long
Sent from my iPhone 15  Pro Max
 
On Mar 27, 2024, at 4:30 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

Dennis,
You need to get your facts straight.
The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023.  Applause Group 
never said you would never have to pay.  They said you didn’t have to pay right 
away.
Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision.  
But, you are spreading false information.
Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong 
information.
 
Could they have handled it differently, probably so.
 
And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact 
same thing.  
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com
 
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Dennis Long
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
 
This was published to his Mastodon feed.
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Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

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from that thread. we are migrating to a subscription for new users only! so i'm not spreading false information! see below Update from Voice Dream TeamBy Voice Dream 11 months 1 week agoHi all, Voice Dream Team here. Existing users should not be affected and will continue to have access to the app. We are migrating to a subscription model only for new users. If you have any issues please feel free to contact our support team. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 27, 2024, at 4:46 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Do you have a link to that thread?   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:40 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue richard with all do respect if you look at the applevis thread they said existing users wouldn't be effected. "they were switching to  a subscription for ew users only"    Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 27, 2024, at 4:30 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Dennis,You need to get your facts straight.The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023.  Applause Group never said you would never have to pay.  They said you didn’t have to pay right away.Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision.  But, you are spreading false information.Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed.https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005301da8085%24950c7c00%24bf257400%24%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You 

Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

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the link is below Voice Dream Reader for iOS is now $59.99/yearapplevis.comDennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 27, 2024, at 4:46 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Do you have a link to that thread?   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:40 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue richard with all do respect if you look at the applevis thread they said existing users wouldn't be effected. "they were switching to  a subscription for ew users only"    Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 27, 2024, at 4:30 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Dennis,You need to get your facts straight.The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023.  Applause Group never said you would never have to pay.  They said you didn’t have to pay right away.Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision.  But, you are spreading false information.Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed.https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005301da8085%24950c7c00%24bf257400%24%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6D520905-0887-4B7D-809D-DE30190C96A7%40gmail.com.



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Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

[Dennis Long]

richard with all do respect if you look at the applevis thread they said existing users wouldn't be effected. "they were switching to  a subscription for ew users only"  Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 27, 2024, at 4:30 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Dennis,You need to get your facts straight.The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023.  Applause Group never said you would never have to pay.  They said you didn’t have to pay right away.Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision.  But, you are spreading false information.Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed.https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com.



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Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

[Dennis Long]

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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

I would’ve been willing to pay  Winston
Why he would’ve engaged with us.  He would’ve probably had a monthly option.  
This company doesn’t engage with us.  Sometimes they can’t even put out proper 
release notes.  
“bug fixes” what “bugs” did you fix?  They were called out on this more than 
once.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kerry 
Macdonald
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 2:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
That’s true, however, Winston was very much engaged with the blind community 
and talked to us about what worked for us and what did not. These people are 
not engaged with us at all.
 
Subscription models are becoming way over the top, and these businesses are 
engaging in them due to greed nothing more. You can keep an app going without 
charging outrageous, yearly subscription fees Winston did it for 10 years, and 
yes, he may have had to charge subscription fees, but as I said, he was much 
more willing to work with us, and look at our needs as a community.
 
Kerry
 
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On Mar 26, 2024, at 1:25 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

Again, and this should be my last post on this topic, Winston was going to 
start charging because the one-time purchase model is simply not sustainable.  
 
So, you would be making the same charges against Winston had he not had the 
good sense to sell when he did.
 
 
 
Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
More over this company doesn’t keep their word.  They said when they took over. 
 That grandfathered  users wouldn’t have to pay. Again as others have said I 
would consider it.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Corey Cook
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 12:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I have a friend that is a grandfathered user and she got an email this morning 
informing her as of May 1 she would have to pay.




On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:17 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com 
<mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>  wrote:

It’s not clear to me where we older users are grandfathered into not paying or 
not.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Hi all,
It's unfortunate that this is a new subscription model for New users but I 
understand developers need to get paid for their work  for such app. 
Considering Voice Dream inclusiveness with Accessibility, it's worth supporting 
in my opinion if you use the app daily. They get continuous updates and the app 
is very robust. There are other apps that do similar   things like speech 
central and speechify.  
   I did a bit of research and this is what I found...
11 months ago
Hi all, Voice Dream Team here. Existing users should not be affected and will 
continue to have access to the app. We are migrating to a subscription model 
only for new users. If you have any issues please feel free to contact our 
support team.
1.   
 
 


 
<https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/voice-dream-reader-ios-now-5999year> 
Voice Dream Reader for iOS is now $59.99/year
 
<https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/voice-dream-reader-ios-now-5999year> 
applevis.com
 
<https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/voice-dream-reader-ios-now-5999year> 

 
 
 
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On Mar 26, 2024, at 8:56 AM, Ron Canazzi mailto:aa...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:
Hi Group,

I  would be willing to pay up to twenty dollars yearly, but this is ridiculous. 
I could afford it, but it is still wa

Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

they did two things wrong 
1 they said current users would be grandfathered in that is not the case now. 
2  they didn't give a monthly option or have a lower price for just the iPhone 


Dennis Long
Sent from my iPhone 15  Pro Max

> On Mar 26, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> 
> What I think is that originally the new owners thought that they would have 
> enough new subscribers to keep it going, and that is why they originally 
> stated that current owners did not have to subscribe.  But now that a year 
> has past, they did not get as many new subscribers as they planned, so in 
> order to keep it going, they are having to make everybody subscribe, even 
> those owners that existed when they bought the company.  
> 
> One thing to keep in mind is that the Mac version has always been a 
> subscription, and that price is $60 a year.  If I remember correctly, Winston 
> set that price when it was released.  All the owners are now doing is 
> including the iOS app within that subscription.  So now for $60, you get both 
> the iOS and Mac versions.
> 
> I do think Voice Dream is worth the subscription, especially if you are 
> someone that uses it all the time.  I will say that there has been a lot of 
> updates over the last year.  So the new owners are not just letting it sit 
> and stay as it was when they got it.  The only thing is, I do wish they would 
> give you an option to pay by the month.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:36 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree that $60 a year is a bit much, but I think people are going to be 
>> surprised and disappointed at what they can get for alternatives. I admit 
>> that I have yet to try Dolphin Easy Reader and the Bookshare reader for 
>> myself, but reading the reviews are not encouraging. It is one thing if a 
>> few reviewers don't like an app,  another when only a few reviews say an app 
>> is good.  There just aren't that many daisy readers out there. I wish 
>> Bookshare would bring back the reader they had years ago. It was a good 
>> reader, for a time it actually was better than Voice Dream. But then, Voice 
>> Dream got better, I got it, and Bookshare dropped their reader of that time. 
>> Voice Dream does a lot of things really well.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>> 
>> On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:16 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
>> 
>> They're going to switch to a subscription model for everyone and we either 
>> like it and pay or don't.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Dennis Long
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:12 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
>> 
>> I agree $20 I might go that.  Even that is a might.  I just don't use it 
>> enough.  I'm not against paying for apps.  I subscribe to weather apps and 
>> parcel.  So clearly I'm not against app subscriptions.  This is again is 
>> more than 50% of the cost of a screen reader.  That needs to be pointed out 
>> to them.  Again more than 50% of the cost of a screen reader.  That reads my 
>> computer screen to me and allows me to use my computer.  If the company 
>> thinks people will pay more than 50% of a screen reader subscription they 
>> truly are nuts.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
>> Canazzi
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:57 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
>> 
>> Hi Group,
>> 
>> I  would be willing to pay up to twenty dollars yearly, but this is 
>> ridiculous. I could afford it, but it is still way too high for an app on an 
>> Apple device. As mentioned before, the average price of most apps usable 
>> with IOS devices is between five and ten dollars US.  Allowing for the 
>> smaller market, I could easily pay double yearly, but not sextuplet!
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 3/26/2024 3:49 AM, Dennis Long wrote:
>>> They aren't considering that a large number of blind people can't afford 
>>> $60 a year.  They aren't also considering that a large number of blind 
>>> people aren't able to find jobs in the USA.More over if it were more 
>>> reasonably priced maybe and it’s a big maybe.  It would be a big maybe 
>>> because the only reason they would lower the price is they terribly 
>>> misjudged the market.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From

RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

More over this company doesn’t keep their word.  They said when they took over. 
 That grandfathered  users wouldn’t have to pay. Again as others have said I 
would consider it.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Corey 
Cook
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 12:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I have a friend that is a grandfathered user and she got an email this morning 
informing her as of May 1 she would have to pay.



On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:17 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com 
<mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>  wrote:

It’s not clear to me where we older users are grandfathered into not paying or 
not.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Hi all,
It's unfortunate that this is a new subscription model for New users but I 
understand developers need to get paid for their work  for such app. 
Considering Voice Dream inclusiveness with Accessibility, it's worth supporting 
in my opinion if you use the app daily. They get continuous updates and the app 
is very robust. There are other apps that do similar   things like speech 
central and speechify.  
   I did a bit of research and this is what I found...
11 months ago
Hi all, Voice Dream Team here. Existing users should not be affected and will 
continue to have access to the app. We are migrating to a subscription model 
only for new users. If you have any issues please feel free to contact our 
support team.
1.   
 
 


 
<https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/voice-dream-reader-ios-now-5999year> 
Voice Dream Reader for iOS is now $59.99/year
 
<https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/voice-dream-reader-ios-now-5999year> 
applevis.com
 
<https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/voice-dream-reader-ios-now-5999year> 
 
<https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/voice-dream-reader-ios-now-5999year> 

 
 
 
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On Mar 26, 2024, at 8:56 AM, Ron Canazzi mailto:aa...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:
Hi Group,

I  would be willing to pay up to twenty dollars yearly, but this is ridiculous. 
I could afford it, but it is still way too high for an app on an Apple device. 
As mentioned before, the average price of most apps usable with IOS devices is 
between five and ten dollars US.  Allowing for the smaller market, I could 
easily pay double yearly, but not sextuplet!


On 3/26/2024 3:49 AM, Dennis Long wrote:



They aren't considering that a large number of blind people can't afford $60 a 
year.  They aren't also considering that a large number of blind people aren't 
able to find jobs in the USA.More over if it were more reasonably priced 
maybe and it’s a big maybe.  It would be a big maybe because the only reason 
they would lower the price is they terribly misjudged the market.
 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:17 PM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Just received a message voice dream is going to cost 59 dollars a year now. A 
pet peeve of mine is everything requires a subscription. I see nothing in there 
reasons for this that affects me. So, nice I had it for so long. It was a 
wonderful app, but I am done with it. As with MBraille I was one of the first 
to buy it for I think 5 dollars. Makes me want to cry to lose it, but much more 
important places to put my money. On Social Security with a guide dog and so 
guess it goes away. Still want to cry after all the books from Bookshare it has 
read to me.
 
Reggie Alvarado
 

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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

Again it is more than 50% of a cost of a screen reader.  They are saying their 
app is more valuable than a screen reader.  No it isn’t.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 7:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
That’s $5 a month.
I’m sure people waste $5 a month on crap they don’t need. Heck a streaming 
service is more expensive. Bookshare is now $79 a year.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 2:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Not at these rates make it reasonable this is ridiculous.
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Developers have to eat too. They should get paid.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
So I opened up the app again and got the banner at the bottom of the screen. 
Not sure if I’ll sign onto the $60, but honestly, I more than got my money’s 
worth and then some for this app if this is the case. 
I believe BookPlayer also has an in-app payment option for cloud storage and 
syncing. 
For some folks, the 60 bucks for VDR might even be worth it as you can use just 
one app for both eBooks and audiobooks. Everyone knows their own budget though.
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never 
heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just 
too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to 
download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly 
reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s 
doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.
Mary
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I have not updated today.
But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.
$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.
You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with 
much harder interfaces and keep it free…
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

No yearly as far as I can tell.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
leobado1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 7:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
so, are both choices available? monthly subscription and yearly subscription?
 
Cheers,
Leo Bado.
 
I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.
Khalil Gibran.
 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 5:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
That’s $5 a month.
I’m sure people waste $5 a month on crap they don’t need. Heck a streaming 
service is more expensive. Bookshare is now $79 a year.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 2:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Not at these rates make it reasonable this is ridiculous.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
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sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Developers have to eat too. They should get paid.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
So I opened up the app again and got the banner at the bottom of the screen. 
Not sure if I’ll sign onto the $60, but honestly, I more than got my money’s 
worth and then some for this app if this is the case. 
I believe BookPlayer also has an in-app payment option for cloud storage and 
syncing. 
For some folks, the 60 bucks for VDR might even be worth it as you can use just 
one app for both eBooks and audiobooks. Everyone knows their own budget though.
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never 
heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just 
too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to 
download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly 
reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s 
doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.
Mary
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I have not updated today.
But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.
$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.
You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with 
much harder interfaces and keep it free…
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com
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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

I have done that as well.  I’m 1 Trillian percent with you.  More I suggest 
contacting 
opin...@livingblindfully.com  
and getting your comments in there.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kerry 
Macdonald
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 10:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Although I love Voice Dream, I think this is an outrage and simply greed on the 
developers part. Yes, I know developers need to eat, but I think they are just 
jumping on this subscription bandwagon that everyone has been doing these days 
which I feel is a very greedy way to do business. Those of us who purchased it 
already should not have to purchase it again in my opinion. We need to stand 
together and make our voices hurt, everyone should send them an email and 
express their opinion, I have done so, who is with me and will email them? That 
is the only way to get things done is to make our voices heard.
 
 
Kerry
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:44 AM, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Here in Mexico, $60 is almost a thousand Mexican pesos! Yeah I know... you can 
divide 1000 per month, which would be around 150 or so, but if you've already 
bought the app once...
I know maybe Dolphin Easy Reader might not have the different voices or 
Audiobook slaying abilities, but it's free.
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel



El 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 10:11 p.m., Joshua Hendrickson mailto:louv...@gmail.com> > escribió:
I can’t believe all this negative talk about not wanting to pay $60 per year 
for voice dream reader. For me, it is one of the best apps out there for 
reading both ebooks and audio content. I’ll tell you all some of the recent 
changes the new owners have done for us all. They have recently allowed audio 
files in M4a format to  properly. When you want to change a reading voice for a 
bookshare book, you now have a search option  quickly find the voice you want. 
You also don’t have to pay for these voices either. You did have to pay around 
$5 per voice before. So please stop complaining and pay the $60 per year if you 
can. If people pay the money, think of how much better the app will be. I’ve 
pcht a lot of time into putting audio books and audio dramas on voice dream 
reader with iTunes to not pay the $60 price. When we found out that voice dream 
reader might be charging a subscripttion fee this shouldn’t be a surprise !o 
anyone. So please if you can, pay the $60!!!
Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!



On Mar 25, 2024, at 10:01 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book 
player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download 
stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything 
else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates 
anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They 
shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare 
because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about 
whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  
I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows 
the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. 
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James mailto:wiljame...@gmail.com> > wrote:
BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and 
M4B.  You can get it from the following link.
 




  
  BookPlayer
  Plays M4B/M4A/MP3 
audiobooks
 
Sent from my iPad Air 5



On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had 
never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. 
It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an 
easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would 
possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice 
stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.
Mary
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I have not updated today.
But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.
$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.
You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central a

RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

I agree $20 I might go that.  Even that is a might.  I just don't use it 
enough.  I'm not against paying for apps.  I subscribe to weather apps and 
parcel.  So clearly I'm not against app subscriptions.  This is again is more 
than 50% of the cost of a screen reader.  That needs to be pointed out to them. 
 Again more than 50% of the cost of a screen reader.  That reads my computer 
screen to me and allows me to use my computer.  If the company thinks people 
will pay more than 50% of a screen reader subscription they truly are nuts.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

Hi Group,

I  would be willing to pay up to twenty dollars yearly, but this is 
ridiculous. I could afford it, but it is still way too high for an app 
on an Apple device. As mentioned before, the average price of most apps 
usable with IOS devices is between five and ten dollars US.  Allowing 
for the smaller market, I could easily pay double yearly, but not sextuplet!


On 3/26/2024 3:49 AM, Dennis Long wrote:
> They aren't considering that a large number of blind people can't afford $60 
> a year.  They aren't also considering that a large number of blind people 
> aren't able to find jobs in the USA.More over if it were more reasonably 
> priced maybe and it’s a big maybe.  It would be a big maybe because the only 
> reason they would lower the price is they terribly misjudged the market.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
> alvarado
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:17 PM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Making everyone pay for voice dream
>
> Just received a message voice dream is going to cost 59 dollars a year now. A 
> pet peeve of mine is everything requires a subscription. I see nothing in 
> there reasons for this that affects me. So, nice I had it for so long. It was 
> a wonderful app, but I am done with it. As with MBraille I was one of the 
> first to buy it for I think 5 dollars. Makes me want to cry to lose it, but 
> much more important places to put my money. On Social Security with a guide 
> dog and so guess it goes away. Still want to cry after all the books from 
> Bookshare it has read to me.
>
> Reggie Alvarado
>

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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

I agree if it were $10 or $20 a year I might think about it.  but $60 again 
more than 50% the cost of my screen reader I think not.  I told them so.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 10:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I buy books share because I can download a lot of books in a year. This is just 
a standalone reading tool. It’s wonderful app but it’s just an app. I just 
think that $59 a year for an app that you just listen to books on is way too 
much. I will use some other way to read I do plan on contacting Support and 
thank you for the address. I will tell them that it’s just too bad that I 
bought it once and now I have to pay that subscription. They sounded so sad 
that they had to make that decision in the email and yet they made the decision 
even though it was bought earlier. The changes they made just didn’t add up to 
much, just my opinion. 
On Mar 26, 2024, at 10:34 AM, Jody ianuzzi mailto:thunderwalker...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Carrie,
 
I agree with you completely and I'll send a message as well. I have no 
intention of paying their fee and I will simply find another book reader.
JODY



To Boldly Go  🖖🏻 






thunderwalker...@gmail.com   



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Weihenmayer



On Mar 26, 2024, at 10:25 AM, Kerry Macdonald mailto:kerryma...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Although I love Voice Dream, I think this is an outrage and simply greed on 
the developers part. Yes, I know developers need to eat, but I think they are 
just jumping on this subscription bandwagon that everyone has been doing these 
days which I feel is a very greedy way to do business. Those of us who 
purchased it already should not have to purchase it again in my opinion. We 
need to stand together and make our voices hurt, everyone should send them an 
email and express their opinion, I have done so, who is with me and will email 
them? That is the only way to get things done is to make our voices heard.
 
 
Kerry
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:44 AM, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Here in Mexico, $60 is almost a thousand Mexican pesos! Yeah I know... you can 
divide 1000 per month, which would be around 150 or so, but if you've already 
bought the app once...
I know maybe Dolphin Easy Reader might not have the different voices or 
Audiobook slaying abilities, but it's free.
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel



El 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 10:11 p.m., Joshua Hendrickson mailto:louv...@gmail.com> > escribió:
I can’t believe all this negative talk about not wanting to pay $60 per year 
for voice dream reader. For me, it is one of the best apps out there for 
reading both ebooks and audio content. I’ll tell you all some of the recent 
changes the new owners have done for us all. They have recently allowed audio 
files in M4a format to  properly. When you want to change a reading voice for a 
bookshare book, you now have a search option  quickly find the voice you want. 
You also don’t have to pay for these voices either. You did have to pay around 
$5 per voice before. So please stop complaining and pay the $60 per year if you 
can. If people pay the money, think of how much better the app will be. I’ve 
pcht a lot of time into putting audio books and audio dramas on voice dream 
reader with iTunes to not pay the $60 price. When we found out that voice dream 
reader might be charging a subscripttion fee this shouldn’t be a surprise !o 
anyone. So please if you can, pay the $60!!!
Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!



On Mar 25, 2024, at 10:01 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book 
player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download 
stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything 
else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates 
anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They 
shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare 
because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about 
whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  
I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows 
the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. 
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James mailto:wiljame...@gmail.com> > wrote:
BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and 
M4B.  You can get it from the following link.
 




  
  BookPlayer
  Plays M4B

Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

i haven't heard back yet. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 26, 2024, at 6:08 AM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:Have they given you an actual answer on the price? Cheers,Leo Bado. I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, for those who understand us enslave something in us.Khalil Gibran. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 1:38 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream Oh I reached out to them.  They are ridiculous. I remember this company saying something if you had already purchased it.  I’m off to find what that was.  I will again encourage everyone to at the least contact them the more that don’t buy it the stronger message it will send them.  This is more then 50 percent of what a Jaws subscription is in the USA   I don’t think so. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 12:55 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream I mentioned DAISY Easy Reader and Speech Central if you cannot afford Voice Dream Reader.Perhaps you should reach out to supp...@voicedream.com and ask about pricing in other countries.Or, as you say, just use Easy Reader.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo CorripioSent: Monday, March 25, 2024 9:39 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream You guys are forgetting about the "Dolphin Easy Reader" app; which has a Bookshare interface. It's free, thus I plan to use it even more if Voice Dream ends up being subscriptiononly. Good luck!GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel El 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 9:01 p.m., Mary Otten  escribió:Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James  wrote:BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and M4B.  You can get it from the following link. BookPlayerPlays M4B/M4A/MP3 audiobooks Sent from my iPad Air 5 On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.Mary Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Tayl

RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

I hope it gets boycotted.  Again its more then half a Jaws subscription.  That 
is a screen reader.  They are way out of line with their pricing.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 3:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I’d expect this subscription could pay for things like new audio formats like 
ogg could be played. Also maybe newer voices like those from Microsofft. Take a 
chance and see what happens. I wish people weren’t so picky. I will support 
voice dream reader and I really hope others will do so as well. I am looking 
forward to the future of the app if people will stop whineing and pay for the 
app. It really does a lot of great stuff. If you want something that works 
well, sometimes you have to pay for it.
Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!



On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:54 AM, Ron Canazzi mailto:aa...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:
 Hi Group,

The Book Share program itself now has its own app. It is free and while a bit 
limited, it does read book share books quite well and the recent addition of a 
bookmark feature makes it usable in that limited context. 
On 3/26/2024 12:38 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
You guys are forgetting about the "Dolphin Easy Reader" app; which has a 
Bookshare interface. It's free, thus I plan to use it even more if Voice Dream 
ends up being subscriptiononly. Good luck!
Gera 
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel



El 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 9:01 p.m., Mary Otten   
 escribió:
Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book 
player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download 
stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything 
else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates 
anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They 
shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare 
because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about 
whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  
I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows 
the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. 
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James   
 wrote:
BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and 
M4B.  You can get it from the following link. 
 




  
  BookPlayer
  Plays M4B/M4A/MP3 
audiobooks
   
  Sent from my iPad Air 5
  


  On Mar 25, 2024, at 
7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
  I tend to agree with 
you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer 
app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he 
did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download 
bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I 
don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly 
happy with what I have now. 
  Mary
   
  Sent from my iPhone
  


  On Mar 25, 2024, at 
4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:
   
  I have not updated 
today.
  But, if anyone wants 
to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream 
LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription 
to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version 
as a subscription.
  $59 a year seems 
perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.
  You can always dump it 
for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces 
and keep it free…
   
  Richard, USA
  "It's no great honor 
to be blind, but it's mo

RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

They aren't considering that a large number of blind people can't afford $60 a 
year.  They aren't also considering that a large number of blind people aren't 
able to find jobs in the USA.More over if it were more reasonably priced 
maybe and it’s a big maybe.  It would be a big maybe because the only reason 
they would lower the price is they terribly misjudged the market.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:17 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Making everyone pay for voice dream

Just received a message voice dream is going to cost 59 dollars a year now. A 
pet peeve of mine is everything requires a subscription. I see nothing in there 
reasons for this that affects me. So, nice I had it for so long. It was a 
wonderful app, but I am done with it. As with MBraille I was one of the first 
to buy it for I think 5 dollars. Makes me want to cry to lose it, but much more 
important places to put my money. On Social Security with a guide dog and so 
guess it goes away. Still want to cry after all the books from Bookshare it has 
read to me.  

Reggie Alvarado 

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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

If I can’t upload my own content to then  it  will be gone on May 1st.  It is 
one thing if you want to use it for book share books that’s fine.  But to 
charge if you import say a word document that is nuts it isn’t worth $60 a 
year.  No where close.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 7:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
The email said it starts on May 1. When I went to the link, it showed me that 
it was $59 a year. It had all kinds of things they had done and why they would 
change to everyone. I bought it I think for five dollars. I was one of the 
first people to buy it I think. It said that on May 1, you will no longer be 
able to download anything. I use it only for books share and I’m very sorry 
that it’s going.
 
 
Reggie Alvarado 

On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:55 PM, leobado1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Well, if you want to throw some light on this, ask someone for assistance when 
you launch VDR, so that you can turn off voice over. Apparently, double tap on 
the learn more link makes the banner go away, so we’re deep in the woods here.
 
Cheers,
Leo Bado.
 
I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.
Khalil Gibran.
 
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Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I have not updated today.
But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.
$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.
You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with 
much harder interfaces and keep it free…
 
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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

Not at these rates make it reasonable this is ridiculous.
 
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sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Developers have to eat too. They should get paid.
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
So I opened up the app again and got the banner at the bottom of the screen. 
Not sure if I’ll sign onto the $60, but honestly, I more than got my money’s 
worth and then some for this app if this is the case. 
I believe BookPlayer also has an in-app payment option for cloud storage and 
syncing. 
For some folks, the 60 bucks for VDR might even be worth it as you can use just 
one app for both eBooks and audiobooks. Everyone knows their own budget though.
Cristóbal
 
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Otten
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never 
heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just 
too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to 
download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly 
reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s 
doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.
Mary
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I have not updated today.
But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.
$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.
You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with 
much harder interfaces and keep it free…
 
Richard, USA
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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

Oh I reached out to them.  They are ridiculous. I remember this company saying 
something if you had already purchased it.  I’m off to find what that was.  I 
will again encourage everyone to at the least contact them the more that don’t 
buy it the stronger message it will send them.  This is more then 50 percent of 
what a Jaws subscription is in the USA   I don’t think so.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 12:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I mentioned DAISY Easy Reader and Speech Central if you cannot afford Voice 
Dream Reader.
Perhaps you should reach out to supp...@voicedream.com 
  and ask about pricing in other countries.
Or, as you say, just use Easy Reader.
 
 
 
Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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My web site:   https://www.turner42.com
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 9:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
You guys are forgetting about the "Dolphin Easy Reader" app; which has a 
Bookshare interface. It's free, thus I plan to use it even more if Voice Dream 
ends up being subscriptiononly. Good luck!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
 
El 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 9:01 p.m., Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > escribió:
Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book 
player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download 
stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything 
else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates 
anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They 
shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare 
because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about 
whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  
I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows 
the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James mailto:wiljame...@gmail.com> > wrote:
BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and 
M4B.  You can get it from the following link.
 




  
  BookPlayer
  Plays M4B/M4A/MP3 
audiobooks
 
Sent from my iPad Air 5
 
On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had 
never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. 
It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an 
easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would 
possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice 
stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.
Mary
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I have not updated today.
But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.
$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.
You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with 
much harder interfaces and keep it free…
 
Richard, USA
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Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

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Gera  i agreee with you completely.  Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 26, 2024, at 12:44 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:Here in Mexico, $60 is almost a thousand Mexican pesos! Yeah I know... you can divide 1000 per month, which would be around 150 or so, but if you've already bought the app once...I know maybe Dolphin Easy Reader might not have the different voices or Audiobook slaying abilities, but it's free.GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de TelcelEl 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 10:11 p.m., Joshua Hendrickson  escribió:I can’t believe all this negative talk about not wanting to pay $60 per year for voice dream reader. For me, it is one of the best apps out there for reading both ebooks and audio content. I’ll tell you all some of the recent changes the new owners have done for us all. They have recently allowed audio files in M4a format to  properly. When you want to change a reading voice for a bookshare book, you now have a search option  quickly find the voice you want. You also don’t have to pay for these voices either. You did have to pay around $5 per voice before. So please stop complaining and pay the $60 per year if you can. If people pay the money, think of how much better the app will be. I’ve pcht a lot of time into putting audio books and audio dramas on voice dream reader with iTunes to not pay the $60 price. When we found out that voice dream reader might be charging a subscripttion fee this shouldn’t be a surprise !o anyone. So please if you can, pay the $60!!!Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!On Mar 25, 2024, at 10:01 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James  wrote:BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and M4B.  You can get it from the following link.BookPlayerPlays M4B/M4A/MP3 audiobooksSent from my iPad Air 5On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.MarySent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com



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Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

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i have contacted them. we all need to contact them and stand together. if necessary boycott the new company behind it. i will no longer recommend it. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 26, 2024, at 12:55 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:I mentioned DAISY Easy Reader and Speech Central if you cannot afford Voice Dream Reader.Perhaps you should reach out to supp...@voicedream.com and ask about pricing in other countries.Or, as you say, just use Easy Reader.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo CorripioSent: Monday, March 25, 2024 9:39 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream You guys are forgetting about the "Dolphin Easy Reader" app; which has a Bookshare interface. It's free, thus I plan to use it even more if Voice Dream ends up being subscriptiononly. Good luck!GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de TelcelEl 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 9:01 p.m., Mary Otten  escribió:Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James  wrote:BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and M4B.  You can get it from the following link. BookPlayerPlays M4B/M4A/MP3 audiobooks Sent from my iPad Air 5On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.Mary Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/008e01da7f0d%24e3f975d0%24abec6170%24%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V

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i won't pay for it. i did already. if i had not already paid for it that would be one thing. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 26, 2024, at 12:11 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:I can’t believe all this negative talk about not wanting to pay $60 per year for voice dream reader. For me, it is one of the best apps out there for reading both ebooks and audio content. I’ll tell you all some of the recent changes the new owners have done for us all. They have recently allowed audio files in M4a format to  properly. When you want to change a reading voice for a bookshare book, you now have a search option  quickly find the voice you want. You also don’t have to pay for these voices either. You did have to pay around $5 per voice before. So please stop complaining and pay the $60 per year if you can. If people pay the money, think of how much better the app will be. I’ve pcht a lot of time into putting audio books and audio dramas on voice dream reader with iTunes to not pay the $60 price. When we found out that voice dream reader might be charging a subscripttion fee this shouldn’t be a surprise !o anyone. So please if you can, pay the $60!!!Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!On Mar 25, 2024, at 10:01 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James  wrote:BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and M4B.  You can get it from the following link.BookPlayerPlays M4B/M4A/MP3 audiobooksSent from my iPad Air 5On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.MarySent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com



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Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

there pricing is crazy. more over i already paid for it. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 26, 2024, at 12:55 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:I mentioned DAISY Easy Reader and Speech Central if you cannot afford Voice Dream Reader.Perhaps you should reach out to supp...@voicedream.com and ask about pricing in other countries.Or, as you say, just use Easy Reader.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo CorripioSent: Monday, March 25, 2024 9:39 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream You guys are forgetting about the "Dolphin Easy Reader" app; which has a Bookshare interface. It's free, thus I plan to use it even more if Voice Dream ends up being subscriptiononly. Good luck!GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de TelcelEl 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 9:01 p.m., Mary Otten  escribió:Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James  wrote:BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and M4B.  You can get it from the following link. BookPlayerPlays M4B/M4A/MP3 audiobooks Sent from my iPad Air 5On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.Mary Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/008e01da7f0d%24e3f975d0%24abec6170%24%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owne

Re: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations

[Dennis Long]

the orbit writer has serval things the hable doesn't. examples include support that responds to customers, as i have heard on there email list that one person emailed support 3 times to set up a call for help and didn't here back. Even if we take that with a grain of salt lets look at what the orbit writer has. 1 multi device support. 2 it works according to the documentation on apple phones macs windows pcs and i can confirm apple watchs and android phones and i believe fire tablets. the hable doesn't work on multible devices and allow for easy switching.  Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 10, 2024, at 2:42 PM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  wrote:There is also the Rivo 2 non-Braille keyboardHarryOn 10 Mar 2024, at 18:20, Louise Peyton  wrote:







Hello:
What is the difference between using the Hable 1 and the Orbit writer?  Thanks in advance.
 


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There’s also the Hable. You can find more at
Hable – Smart devices made accessible to everyone (iamhable.com) It’s available through the AT Guys at

Hable One Smallest Braille Keyboard For Any Tablet or Smartphone - Easy to Carry : A. T. Guys, Your Access Technology Experts (atguys.com)
 

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As Dennis said, the Orbit Writer is Bluetooth and a braille input keyboard, very small and is $99.
https://www.orbitresearch.com/product/orbit-writer/
 
 

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Hello all,
I’m looking for a small Bluetooth keyboard either braille or not braille to use for when texting on my iPhone.
So if anyone has any good affordable recommendations let me know.
Thanks and take care.
Don Risavy
 
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FW: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes What is going on?

[Dennis Long]

I don't normally do this.  But I wanted to backup some of the claims I was 
making.  I feel it is important.

-Original Message-
From: hablecommun...@groups.io  On Behalf Of Jeanette 
Kutash
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 2:34 PM
To: hablecommun...@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
What is going on?

I have to agree with Dennis here. For those of us who are less technically 
comfortable releasing a product without notes is like sudden death and Hable 
does this a lot. While I think some people have asked for more than Hable can 
deliver they need to be realistic and make choices. I started out loving the 
device but have found it difficult to learn to use because of the way they so 
sloppily do their documentation. And if Roger you think this is so great 
perhaps you should spend some of your time helping people who struggle. I think 
we have been very patient with Hable and  they have never been completely 
honest with us. When I got mine I tried to set up an appointment for help not 
once, not twice, but three times, and I got no assistance. So yes they may be a 
small staff but they have made promises, including a better help system, and 
have been unable to follow through. To continue to survive and I hope they do, 
they need to step up to the plate and figure out what they can realistically do 
and follow through on.

Jeanette 

-Original Message-
From: hablecommun...@groups.io [mailto:hablecommun...@groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Roger Fordham
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:47 AM
To: hablecommun...@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
What is going on?

Well you keep being there Dennis. But as for me, I use mine every day. I 
like it; each to his own. It may not be perfect, but for what it is, 
it's great. Voiceover isn't perfect. Microsoft isn't perfect. So why 
should Hable be perfect, especially with the small staff they have. So, 
you stick to your preference, and I'll stick to mine.

On 29/02/2024 15:44, Dennis Long wrote:
> Lets see people had issues installing it.AEB braille had issues Things 
> promised and not delivered when it was said would be hear by Hable themselves 
> so put it all together and that is where I am now.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hablecommun...@groups.io  On Behalf Of Roger 
> Fordham
> Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:38 AM
> To: hablecommun...@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
> What is going on?
>
> And You would then be the first to complain that there hadn't been a
> February update at all. Where was it; why hasn't it happened, etc, etc.
> And I didn't see anything particularly bad about the July update either.
>
> On 29/02/2024 15:35, Dennis Long wrote:
>> This is a proven pattern.  From a bad July update and now this no you can 
>> only have so much patience.  You don't put out a update if notes aren't 
>> ready.  You hold back the update until the notes are ready.  If a free 
>> screen reader NVDA can put out proper release notes a $200 product can and 
>> certainly should be expected to do so!!!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: hablecommun...@groups.io  On Behalf Of Roger 
>> Fordham
>> Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:31 AM
>> To: hablecommun...@groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
>> What is going on?
>>
>> I absolutely disagree with you Dennis. You are always advising readers
>> to have patience. Where is yours then? The staff will issue notes when
>> they are ready; and because they haven't for one update, why does
>> suddenly this failure make the Bable a terrible product, and according
>> to you nobody should use it any more. Shame on you and your intolerance.
>> You know, and we all know, that the Hable has been of incalculable
>> benefit to thousands of users.
>>
>> On 29/02/2024 14:55, Dennis Long wrote:
>>> This is apparently official with no update notes.  To verify I went to this
>>> link.  It talks about the July update!  I can no longer recommend a Hable
>>> one to anyone.  You don’t respond to requests for what is new!  You don’t
>>> even publish proper release notes!!!  The Hable that caused me to recommend
>>> this product isn’t there  I will encourage anyone that wants a good
>>> Braille keyboard to get an Orbit writer.  This is the Hable update page.
>>> Where does it talk about the February update?
>>> https://www.iamhable.com/support/software-updates
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations

[Dennis Long]

I use the orbit without a desk every day.  I just put it on the Lanyard.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2024 9:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations
 
The Orbit Writer will be used with the dots in a horizontal configuration, just 
like you’re using a Perkins style braille keyboard. I have to use it on a flat 
surface but I’ve heard others say that there’s a lanyard where you can use it 
without putting it down. It uses the braille support in VoiceOver. If you’re 
using other braille devices, like a braille e-reader from the NLS, you’ll find 
the key commands are going to be similar.
 
The keys on the Hable are side by side and vertical, and you hold it in your 
hands facing away from you. It’s similar to what you use when you use braille 
screen input on the iPhone in the mode where the iPhone is facing away from 
you. It doesn’t use the braille input support in VoiceOver. It’s my 
understanding that it connects to your phone like a Bluetooth keyboard and not 
a braille device. For me, this means the connectivity is quicker and smoother. 
It handles the braille translation internally, so you can still use contracted 
braille. The key commands aren’t going to be exactly like what you’d be using 
with other braille devices, but they are similar, and at least in my opinion, 
are a bit more intuitive.
 
Another difference is that in the US the Orbit Writer costs around $100 while 
the Hable cost around $200.
 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Louise Peyton
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2024 1:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations
 
Hello:
What is the difference between using the Hable 1 and the Orbit writer?  Thanks 
in advance.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2024 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations
 
There’s also the Hable. You can find more at Hable – Smart devices made 
accessible to everyone (iamhable.com)   It’s 
available through the AT Guys at Hable One Smallest Braille Keyboard For Any 
Tablet or Smartphone - Easy to Carry : A. T. Guys, Your Access Technology 
Experts (atguys.com) 

 
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2024 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations
 
As Dennis said, the Orbit Writer is Bluetooth and a braille input keyboard, 
very small and is $99.
https://www.orbitresearch.com/product/orbit-writer/
 
 
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Subject: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations
 
Hello all,
I’m looking for a small Bluetooth keyboard either braille or not braille to use 
for when texting on my iPhone.
So if anyone has any good affordable recommendations let me know.
Thanks and take care.
Don Risavy
 
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Re: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations

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The orbit writer is very good. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 9, 2024, at 10:39 AM, djrisav...@att.net wrote:Hello all,I’m looking for a small Bluetooth keyboard either braille or not braille to use for when texting on my iPhone.So if anyone has any good affordable recommendations let me know.Thanks and take care.Don Risavy 



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RE: braille not translating correctly when I type.

[Dennis Long]

Nope input and output have to be set to the same.  I figured I would pass it on 
for anyone else who runs into this.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2024 1:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: braille not translating correctly when I type.
 
I don't know if the following will work, it won't hurt to try. I use braille 
screen input, and when it starts making errors for no reason, one thing that 
will fix it is to type a bunch of letters and contractions, in other words, a 
bunch of garbage really quickly. then erasing it, It clears the memory or 
something, and it starts behaving as it should. There are a couple  other 
things I can try, I don't know that they would apply to the orbit writer, such 
as unlocking, then locking orientation, and switching between contracted and 
uncontracted braille, then switching back to contracted,  but typing a bunch of 
garbage really quickly, then clearing it always seems to work. 
 
Arnold Schmidt 
 
Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Mar 5, 2024, at 12:12 AM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

This just started I'm using the old US braille table. It says things like u 
circum flex when I do a wh sign. What do I do to fix it? any help and 
suggestions are appreciated. If it matters I'm using an orbit writer although I 
don't think it matters. The device i'm using is an iPhone 15 pro max. again 
this just started Thanks.
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braille not translating correctly when I type.

[Dennis Long]

This just started I'm using the old US braille table. It says things like u
circum flex when I do a wh sign. What do I do to fix it? any help and
suggestions are appreciated. If it matters I'm using an orbit writer
although I don't think it matters. The device i'm using is an iPhone 15 pro
max. again this just started Thanks.

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RE: Mark on Weather, Dating, and Amazon

[Dennis Long]

Hear is the link to the applevis podcast.
https://applevis.com/podcasts/sunshine-side-snark-carrot-weather-alerts-radar-ios


-Original Message-
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mark on Weather, Dating, and Amazon

Hello Everyone,

Just wanted to check in and see how everyone is doing.

I am delighted to report that last week's rain storms did not cause any
further damage to my property so that is a good thing.

Given the weather patterns here in the golden state, I have come to realize
that the native Apple weather app is not the most accurate.  So, based on
the recommendation of several contractors who will be helping me get my
property back in order, I started using the NOA website for my local
precipitation predictions.

NOA stands for:  National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

You can get your local forecast, online, by entering your Zip Code at
http://www.weather.gov.

In the US, virtually every app and news outlet uses NOA for their weather
forecasts.

Two things to note, here:
1.
If one is willing to drill down a bit, one can find the same NOA info from
within the native Apple weather app but, unless one understands how the data
is formatted, I do not think the info is easily understandable.
2.
While the Weather Channel app for iOS reflects the most accurate NOA data,
astonishing  as it is for me to believe, future casts are, in effect,
inaccessible via VoiceOver.  I mean, you can hear the data but unless you
can see the display, you would be hard-pressed to have VO locate it.  I
would think that, after all these years, the Weather Channel app would be
the best app for iOS; and yet, it is not.  If any of you have any
recommendations for free weather apps I could try, let me know.

Okay, moving on:

A while back, people were asking about online dating apps.  Using a couple
of these apps, I have gone on more than a few dates, with different women,
recently; while not easy, these dating sites can work in meeting someone.
It just takes patience and perseverance; so to those of you seeking someone
special, hang in there and do not give up.

Okay, onto Amazon / Audible news:
So, 3 years ago, I purchased a Whisper Sync title in both Kindle and Audible
format, at the same time, from Amazon.

Long story short, I could not download the Kindle audible companion of the
book last week.  Now the Audible audio format of the title would play just
fine.

It took almost an hour to reach someone at Kindle support who said she would
refund my money for the Audible version of the title if I could find the
Audible purchase order number.  She could see the Kindle order purchase
number but she could not see the order number confirming that I had
purchased the Audible version.

Even with her help and patience, we could not locate the order number
confirming my Audible purchase in my Amazon Library.  Just before giving up,
I realized that I keep every confirmation email I receive from Amazon in an
email folder.

It took about 15 more minutes but I was able to locate the number and when I
gave it to her, she was able to see that I had, in fact, purchased the
Audible version.

So, she refunded my money.  At the time I purchased the title, the cost was
$7.99.  However, the cost of that same title, today is $25.99.  So, she
refunded the $25.99 as that is the replacement cost of the title.  I waited
a few days, just to make certain that I received the refund then I purchased
the title, again.

My point?  Always keep every email confirmation you receive from Amazon
because you never know when you may need it.

Okay, I think that about covers it, for now.

I hope this finds you well and I look forward to your replies.

Mark


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RE: Mark on Weather, Dating, and Amazon

[Dennis Long]

Carrot weather is a good app. Thomas at Applevis did a very good podcast on it.

-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2024 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mark on Weather, Dating, and Amazon

Hello Everyone,

Just wanted to check in and see how everyone is doing.

I am delighted to report that last week's rain storms did not cause any
further damage to my property so that is a good thing.

Given the weather patterns here in the golden state, I have come to realize
that the native Apple weather app is not the most accurate.  So, based on
the recommendation of several contractors who will be helping me get my
property back in order, I started using the NOA website for my local
precipitation predictions.

NOA stands for:  National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

You can get your local forecast, online, by entering your Zip Code at
http://www.weather.gov.

In the US, virtually every app and news outlet uses NOA for their weather
forecasts.

Two things to note, here:
1.
If one is willing to drill down a bit, one can find the same NOA info from
within the native Apple weather app but, unless one understands how the data
is formatted, I do not think the info is easily understandable.
2.
While the Weather Channel app for iOS reflects the most accurate NOA data,
astonishing  as it is for me to believe, future casts are, in effect,
inaccessible via VoiceOver.  I mean, you can hear the data but unless you
can see the display, you would be hard-pressed to have VO locate it.  I
would think that, after all these years, the Weather Channel app would be
the best app for iOS; and yet, it is not.  If any of you have any
recommendations for free weather apps I could try, let me know.

Okay, moving on:

A while back, people were asking about online dating apps.  Using a couple
of these apps, I have gone on more than a few dates, with different women,
recently; while not easy, these dating sites can work in meeting someone.
It just takes patience and perseverance; so to those of you seeking someone
special, hang in there and do not give up.

Okay, onto Amazon / Audible news:
So, 3 years ago, I purchased a Whisper Sync title in both Kindle and Audible
format, at the same time, from Amazon.

Long story short, I could not download the Kindle audible companion of the
book last week.  Now the Audible audio format of the title would play just
fine.

It took almost an hour to reach someone at Kindle support who said she would
refund my money for the Audible version of the title if I could find the
Audible purchase order number.  She could see the Kindle order purchase
number but she could not see the order number confirming that I had
purchased the Audible version.

Even with her help and patience, we could not locate the order number
confirming my Audible purchase in my Amazon Library.  Just before giving up,
I realized that I keep every confirmation email I receive from Amazon in an
email folder.

It took about 15 more minutes but I was able to locate the number and when I
gave it to her, she was able to see that I had, in fact, purchased the
Audible version.

So, she refunded my money.  At the time I purchased the title, the cost was
$7.99.  However, the cost of that same title, today is $25.99.  So, she
refunded the $25.99 as that is the replacement cost of the title.  I waited
a few days, just to make certain that I received the refund then I purchased
the title, again.

My point?  Always keep every email confirmation you receive from Amazon
because you never know when you may need it.

Okay, I think that about covers it, for now.

I hope this finds you well and I look forward to your replies.

Mark


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RE: Anyone else having major issues with the latest 17.4 public beta?

[Dennis Long]

Text selection is fixed in the latest beta.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 11:05 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Anyone else having major issues with the latest 17.4 public beta?
 
Hi,
 
I haven't tried selecting text with the latest beta, but I'm not experiencing 
any of the issues in the original post.
 
Best,
Anna
 



On Feb 17, 2024, at 7:49 PM, Corey Cook mailto:corey.coo...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
I have seen some posts on fb iphone groups about this issue.
 
 
Corey Cook
 
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Christopher Chaltain
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To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Anyone else having major issues with the latest 17.4 public beta?
 
I installed the latest 17.4 public beta on my iPhone, and I’m having serious 
issues across the board. voiceOver performance is awful, especially when 
unlocking the phone and changing home screens. VoiceOver is very quiet much of 
the time, and not speaking when it did in the past. Gestures like the three 
finger swipes up and down are hit or miss, to the point where the Kindle  app 
is basically unusable for me. I’ve looked through my settings, and I don’t see 
anything unusual. The previous 17.4 beta was fine, so I’m surprised I’m having 
so many issues with a subsequent beta. I’ll start providing feedback, but I’m 
not sure where to begin. Anyone else on the latest 17.4 beta seeing any major 
issues?
 
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Re: Just the accessibility settings

[Dennis Long]

yes that would be good. 


Dennis Long
Sent from my iPhone 15  Pro Max

> On Feb 15, 2024, at 9:01 PM, Alvin Ng  wrote:
> 
> Very often we have to reset all settings in order to tackle the problem we 
> are facing on the phone. It is very tedious. In fact, most of the time the 
> problems are related to the accessibility settings. Should Apple provide an 
> option for us to just reset the accessibility setting? What do you think?
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RE: Has there been a recent AppleViz newsletter?

[Dennis Long]

It is always on the applevis website.  You can always contact applevis and see 
if you accidently got removed some how.  Posting hear really won't help you.

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Kramlinger
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2024 3:19 PM
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Thanks. I must not have received it this month. Any help in pointing me to how 
to obtain this would be most appreciated.
Thanks in advance. Keith


> On Feb 2, 2024, at 5:29 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith,
> 
> Yes, one came out on January 31 or so.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 2, 2024, at 5:25 PM, Keith Kramlinger  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Has there been a recent AppleViz newsletter? I don’t recall having received 
>> one recently. I have checked both my junk folder and trash folders with no 
>> success. Maybe I received it, Reddit, and deleted it… But I’ll be darned if 
>> I can remember having done that.
>> Thanks in advance. Keith
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RE: iOS 17.3, Anyone? - also my thought son completely resetting my iPhone 13 Pro

[Dennis Long]

I agree with you I see no need to have all those books on your phone.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 4:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 17.3, Anyone? - also my thought son completely resetting my 
iPhone 13 Pro

I know you love to hord audio books, but I sure hope you do have them backed up 
somewhere because having them downloaded all to your phone would make for a not 
very good situation if something ever happened to it. I also love audio books, 
but I am way too lazy to download them from multiple sources so for some years 
Audible has pretty much been my only source and by now my Audible library is a 
little over 1,100 books. But for me that is what the cloud is for, I have 
access to any of the books in my Audible library, but except for a few which I 
am listening to or planning to listen to, they are just living happily on 
Audible's server and if I want to listen to something again I can either stream 
it or tap the download button and less than a minute later it's done. But to 
each their own, I am in this sense also too cheap for having them all on my 
phone because ethen I'd have to spend hundreds of Dollars more to get a 1 Tb 
phone where for me the phone with the smallest capacity is just fine. So there 
you go, cheap and lazy, but it just means I can spend my money for whatever 
other toy or at times useful item I would like and lazy means I have time for 
work and other stuff.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 12:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 17.3, Anyone? - also my thought son completely resetting my 
iPhone 13 Pro

I have way to many audio books I have put on my iPhone to want to completely 
wipe my iPhone and set it up from scratch.  When I get my next iPhone, I'll 
just do phone to phone transfer and that should work for me.

On 1/25/24, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> One of the new features of iOS 17.3 is “stolen device protection”.
> You find it in Settings > Face Id and Passcode.
> I actually fell victim to it yesterday as I decided that the iOS 17.3 
> update might be a good time to do a complete reset of my iPhone and to 
> set up as a new device completely from scratch. I felt lately my 
> battery performance and a few other things weren’t what they should be 
> and it’s been many years isnce I did this. One thing I must say is 
> that nowadays for most iPhone users who use their phone for things 
> like email, banking, home automation, as a trusted device for 2-factor 
> authentication and more doing this is a real pain in the you know where and 
> it involves hours and hours of time.
> Anyhow, after I wiped my phone, went through the setup process and all 
> that I upgraded to iOS 17.3 and after the update it asked me if I 
> wanted to turn stolen device protection on. I did so since I was 
> actually running the iOS
> 17.3 Beta prior to this and already had it on. Then came the surprise. 
> I wanted to set my work email which is an Exchange account. When I 
> started I was informed that in order to do this I had to temporarily 
> turn off stolen device protection. So over to Settings I went, but 
> when I tried to turn it off I was informed that I wasn’t in a known 
> location hence a 1 hour delay would be put in place before I could 
> turn it off and there was a button to proceed and start the 1 hour 
> countdown. This of course was because I had wiped my iPhone and it had 
> not yet build up a history of my usual locations like my home and 
> work. I then received a notification when the hour was up, but I was 
> doing other stuff so I ignored it for a while, not sure how long, but 
> probably another hour or so and then when I went back to turn off 
> stolen device protection I guess too much time had passed and I had to 
> do it all over again. Next time I went back maybe 15 minutes after receiving 
> the notification and I then was able to turn it off.
> The other thing one should remember is that if you don’t have any 
> other trusted devices things can get complicated with 2-factor authentication.
> Even for some Apple stuff I had to go through 2-factor authentication 
> and enter the 6-digit code, fortunately we also have an iPad where I 
> was able to receive said code.
> As for setting up my Microsoft and some other accounts, I use the 
> Microsoft Authenticator app and of course you need to authenticate to 
> set up the authenticator app. Fortunately this was possible with a 
> combination of getting a code at one of my emails and text, but I tell 
> you it can get complicated and hopefully it will be many years until I 
> wish to do this again.
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Dan
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 17.3, Anyone?
>
>
> Yep, I 

RE: Alexa iPhone app broken

[Dennis Long]

Yes it is the app.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
Grossoehme
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 9:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Alexa iPhone app broken

Did this problem start after a elexa update?

Dave


On 1/16/2024 10:16 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi:
> Amazon basics thermostat use to work fie for scheduling home, away and sleep 
> times. Now you cannot set a scheduled event nor adjust thermostat, not even 
> with screen recognition.
> Open Alexa.
> Choose devices.
> Choose your thermostat.
> Tap view or edit schedule button.
> Then press the touchable action button. Nothing happens.
> They've rearranged the app.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
> Grossoehme
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 12:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; M. Taylor 
> Subject: Re: Alexa iPhone app broken
>
> Is this a problem from the start of using the Elexa Basic Thermostat, or have 
> you been using it for awhile and it just stopped?  Are you using other 
> devices in your household with Elexa or is this the only device? If you have 
> been using the thermostat for sometime, how did it stop working?
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 1/14/2024 5:38 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Hello Sarai,
>>
>> Can you be more specific on how the app is broken?
>>
>> This is to say, can you provide the steps to recreate the problem?
>>
>> Also, does the Amazon basics thermostat have hardware buttons by which to 
>> control the device? Or is it all touch screen?  Do you no longer have access 
>> to the device?  This is to say, can you no longer control the device at all?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2024 7:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Alexa iPhone app broken
>>
>> Hi all:
>> If you have the Amazon basics thermostat and try and set schedule or temp 
>> with the Alexa iPhone app, you cannot. Looks like they broke it.
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