RE: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different than on other Apps

2023-01-02 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Kelly,

No, I have not used Club House.  

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2023 7:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different 
than on other Apps

Mark,

Have you ever participated in clubhouse discussions using headphones in the 
last year? Clubhouse uses spatial audio. I find the experience offers a level 
of intimacy and personal connection never before experienced digitally.

Kelly



On 1/2/23, Marilyn and Don Bilderback  wrote:
> Good deal, Mark.  At least now you know what it is.  Yes, I know.  
> Change when it comes is difficult to adapt to.  Some days I wish for 
> the good old days.  Smile Hey, I remember having a crank phone and 
> party lines.  Now phones change nearly every day. At my age, I just want my 
> phone to work!!
>
> Thanks to friends and these tech lists, we can get answers in a short 
> time, usually. Thank God and geeks...
> Marilyn
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
> Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2023 11:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is 
> Different than on other Apps
>
> Hello Marilyn,
>
> Thank you for re-posting this.
>
> While interesting, this did not pinpoint the source of the enhanced 
> audio in face time.
>
> However, I was able to determine that the new audio sound, when in 
> Face Time, is a function of the 14 and not of the OS.
>
> iOS 16.2 on the 11, the iPad, and a couple of other phones does not 
> reproduce the effect.  The effect has nothing to do with VoiceOver, either.
>
> I was able to contact a friend, who also recently purchased iPhone 14 
> Pro and he confirmed the enhanced sound effect which, is not bad; it 
> just makes the person on the other end sound as though they are in the 
> same room as you are.  I know, I know, I should be pleased, right?  
> Put it down to me being a man who does not like unexpected or unexplained 
> change (big smile).
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Marilyn and Don Bilderback
> Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2023 5:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is 
> Different than on other Apps
>
> Hi, would this be what you are talking about?  I found it in a message 
> from Tony Sweeney.
>> VoiceOver Quiz + Answers in iOS 16: Rita’s iDevice Advice for 
>> December 61. What is "Voice isolation mode and how do you enable it 
>> when on > FaceTime calls?
>>
>> Answer: Voice isolation in FaceTime uses Machine Learning to block 
>> unwanted background noise in FaceTime video/voice calls. It’s not 
>> limited to FaceTime calls only. Apple will allow third-party apps to 
>> utilize the tech for seamless audio calls.
>> When on a call, go to the Control Center (on newer phones, swipe down 
>> from the top-right corner) and hold down on the Mic. There you can 
>> turn on voice isolation, which will decrease background noise, such 
>> as a dog barking or other environmental sounds. This will work in 
>> other video-calling apps, too, and will help even if you're wearing AirPods.
>> The Voice Isolation mode for your microphone, separates your voice 
>> from any distracting background noise that might be on the call • 
>> Launch the FaceTime app and initiate a video call.
>> • Open Control Center with a diagonal swipe down from the top-right 
>> corner of your screen.
>> • Tap the Mic Mode button, top-right.
>> • Tap Voice Isolation to enable it.
>> • Swipe up from the bottom of the screen to dismiss Control Center 
>> and return to the call There are two other Voice Isolation Modes: 
>> Standard or Wide Spectrum To disable Voice Isolation and use Standard 
>> or Wide Spectrum mode, simply repeat the above steps and choose one 
>> of the different Voice Isolation modes for the Mic.
>
>
>
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
> Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2023 5:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is 
> Different than on other Apps
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I have noticed that when making Facetime calls on my 14, via wired 
> Apple Earpods, the audio output is different than it is when I am 
> listening to audio anywhere else in the OS.  The audio sounds is kind 
> of spacial, or something.
>
> This is not the case when making Facetime calls on my beloved 8 Plus 
> running iOS 15.x.
>
> Has anyone else noticed this and, if so, is there a way to disable it?  
> I am not a huge fan of spacial audio, at least, not at this point.
>
> All replies greatly appreciated.
>
> Mark
>
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RE: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different than on other Apps

2023-01-02 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Simon,

I am happy to let you know that, although the spatial results are the same 
between what I am experiencing in Facetime and what you are experiencing in 
various audio playback apps, in your circumstance, there is an easy solution.

Just do the following the next time you are playing back something from 
Audible, etc.:

1.
Pause the playback on the audio in question.  

2.
Open the control panel via a VoiceOver gesture.

3.
Single-finger tap and hold on the audio button.  This will open a dialog box in 
which you can disable spatial audio.

My steps may be a bit off as I have not performed this in 16.2 but it should be 
the same as in previous versions of the OS.

Please give it a try and let us know how it goes.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2023 12:29 AM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different 
than on other Apps

Hi Mark,

 Surprisingly it's jnot just a USA or iPHone 14 thing,

I have the air pods pro gen 1,
And my pods do a spacial weird thing from my iPHone 13 pro max and ios 16.2 
when I'm on a phone call or listening to an audio book.

 It's been annoying me since I updated to 16.2 

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Taylor
Sent: Monday, 2 January 2023 1:42 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different 
than on other Apps

Hello Everyone,

I have noticed that when making Facetime calls on my 14, via wired Apple 
Earpods, the audio output is different than it is when I am listening to audio 
anywhere else in the OS.  The audio sounds is kind of spacial, or something.  

This is not the case when making Facetime calls on my beloved 8 Plus running 
iOS 15.x.

Has anyone else noticed this and, if so, is there a way to disable it?  I am 
not a huge fan of spacial audio, at least, not at this point.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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Re: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different than on other Apps

2023-01-02 Thread Kelly Pierce
Mark,

Have you ever participated in clubhouse discussions using headphones
in the last year? Clubhouse uses spatial audio. I find the experience
offers a level of intimacy and personal connection never before
experienced digitally.

Kelly



On 1/2/23, Marilyn and Don Bilderback  wrote:
> Good deal, Mark.  At least now you know what it is.  Yes, I know.  Change
> when it comes is difficult to adapt to.  Some days I wish for the good old
> days.  Smile Hey, I remember having a crank phone and party lines.  Now
> phones change nearly every day. At my age, I just want my phone to work!!
>
> Thanks to friends and these tech lists, we can get answers in a short time,
> usually. Thank God and geeks...
> Marilyn
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
> Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2023 11:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is
> Different than on other Apps
>
> Hello Marilyn,
>
> Thank you for re-posting this.
>
> While interesting, this did not pinpoint the source of the enhanced audio in
> face time.
>
> However, I was able to determine that the new audio sound, when in Face
> Time, is a function of the 14 and not of the OS.
>
> iOS 16.2 on the 11, the iPad, and a couple of other phones does not
> reproduce the effect.  The effect has nothing to do with VoiceOver, either.
>
> I was able to contact a friend, who also recently purchased iPhone 14 Pro
> and he confirmed the enhanced sound effect which, is not bad; it just makes
> the person on the other end sound as though they are in the same room as you
> are.  I know, I know, I should be pleased, right?  Put it down to me being a
> man who does not like unexpected or unexplained change (big smile).
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Marilyn and Don Bilderback
> Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2023 5:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is
> Different than on other Apps
>
> Hi, would this be what you are talking about?  I found it in a message from
> Tony Sweeney.
>> VoiceOver Quiz + Answers in iOS 16: Rita’s iDevice Advice for December
>> 61. What is "Voice isolation mode and how do you enable it when on >
>> FaceTime calls?
>>
>> Answer: Voice isolation in FaceTime uses Machine Learning to block
>> unwanted background noise in FaceTime video/voice calls. It’s not
>> limited to FaceTime calls only. Apple will allow third-party apps to
>> utilize the tech for seamless audio calls.
>> When on a call, go to the Control Center (on newer phones, swipe down
>> from the top-right corner) and hold down on the Mic. There you can
>> turn on voice isolation, which will decrease background noise, such as
>> a dog barking or other environmental sounds. This will work in other
>> video-calling apps, too, and will help even if you're wearing AirPods.
>> The Voice Isolation mode for your microphone, separates your voice
>> from any distracting background noise that might be on the call •
>> Launch the FaceTime app and initiate a video call.
>> • Open Control Center with a diagonal swipe down from the top-right
>> corner of your screen.
>> • Tap the Mic Mode button, top-right.
>> • Tap Voice Isolation to enable it.
>> • Swipe up from the bottom of the screen to dismiss Control Center and
>> return to the call There are two other Voice Isolation Modes: Standard
>> or Wide Spectrum To disable Voice Isolation and use Standard or Wide
>> Spectrum mode, simply repeat the above steps and choose one of the
>> different Voice Isolation modes for the Mic.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
> Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2023 5:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different
> than on other Apps
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I have noticed that when making Facetime calls on my 14, via wired Apple
> Earpods, the audio output is different than it is when I am listening to
> audio anywhere else in the OS.  The audio sounds is kind of spacial, or
> something.
>
> This is not the case when making Facetime calls on my beloved 8 Plus running
> iOS 15.x.
>
> Has anyone else noticed this and, if so, is there a way to disable it?  I am
> not a huge fan of spacial audio, at least, not at this point.
>
> All replies greatly appreciated.
>
> Mark
>
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RE: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different than on other Apps

2023-01-02 Thread Marilyn and Don Bilderback
Good deal, Mark.  At least now you know what it is.  Yes, I know.  Change when 
it comes is difficult to adapt to.  Some days I wish for the good old days.  
Smile Hey, I remember having a crank phone and party lines.  Now phones change 
nearly every day. At my age, I just want my phone to work!! 

Thanks to friends and these tech lists, we can get answers in a short time, 
usually. Thank God and geeks...
Marilyn 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2023 11:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different 
than on other Apps

Hello Marilyn,

Thank you for re-posting this.

While interesting, this did not pinpoint the source of the enhanced audio in 
face time.

However, I was able to determine that the new audio sound, when in Face Time, 
is a function of the 14 and not of the OS.

iOS 16.2 on the 11, the iPad, and a couple of other phones does not reproduce 
the effect.  The effect has nothing to do with VoiceOver, either.

I was able to contact a friend, who also recently purchased iPhone 14 Pro and 
he confirmed the enhanced sound effect which, is not bad; it just makes the 
person on the other end sound as though they are in the same room as you are.  
I know, I know, I should be pleased, right?  Put it down to me being a man who 
does not like unexpected or unexplained change (big smile).

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marilyn 
and Don Bilderback
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2023 5:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different 
than on other Apps

Hi, would this be what you are talking about?  I found it in a message from 
Tony Sweeney.
> VoiceOver Quiz + Answers in iOS 16: Rita’s iDevice Advice for December 
> 61. What is "Voice isolation mode and how do you enable it when on > FaceTime 
> calls?
>
> Answer: Voice isolation in FaceTime uses Machine Learning to block 
> unwanted background noise in FaceTime video/voice calls. It’s not 
> limited to FaceTime calls only. Apple will allow third-party apps to 
> utilize the tech for seamless audio calls.
> When on a call, go to the Control Center (on newer phones, swipe down 
> from the top-right corner) and hold down on the Mic. There you can 
> turn on voice isolation, which will decrease background noise, such as 
> a dog barking or other environmental sounds. This will work in other 
> video-calling apps, too, and will help even if you're wearing AirPods.
> The Voice Isolation mode for your microphone, separates your voice 
> from any distracting background noise that might be on the call • 
> Launch the FaceTime app and initiate a video call.
> • Open Control Center with a diagonal swipe down from the top-right 
> corner of your screen.
> • Tap the Mic Mode button, top-right.
> • Tap Voice Isolation to enable it.
> • Swipe up from the bottom of the screen to dismiss Control Center and 
> return to the call There are two other Voice Isolation Modes: Standard 
> or Wide Spectrum To disable Voice Isolation and use Standard or Wide 
> Spectrum mode, simply repeat the above steps and choose one of the 
> different Voice Isolation modes for the Mic.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2023 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different 
than on other Apps

Hello Everyone,

I have noticed that when making Facetime calls on my 14, via wired Apple 
Earpods, the audio output is different than it is when I am listening to audio 
anywhere else in the OS.  The audio sounds is kind of spacial, or something.  

This is not the case when making Facetime calls on my beloved 8 Plus running 
iOS 15.x.

Has anyone else noticed this and, if so, is there a way to disable it?  I am 
not a huge fan of spacial audio, at least, not at this point.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different than on other Apps

2023-01-01 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Marilyn,

Thank you for re-posting this.

While interesting, this did not pinpoint the source of the enhanced audio in 
face time.

However, I was able to determine that the new audio sound, when in Face Time, 
is a function of the 14 and not of the OS.

iOS 16.2 on the 11, the iPad, and a couple of other phones does not reproduce 
the effect.  The effect has nothing to do with VoiceOver, either.

I was able to contact a friend, who also recently purchased iPhone 14 Pro and 
he confirmed the enhanced sound effect which, is not bad; it just makes the 
person on the other end sound as though they are in the same room as you are.  
I know, I know, I should be pleased, right?  Put it down to me being a man who 
does not like unexpected or unexplained change (big smile).

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marilyn 
and Don Bilderback
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2023 5:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different 
than on other Apps

Hi, would this be what you are talking about?  I found it in a message from 
Tony Sweeney.
> VoiceOver Quiz + Answers in iOS 16: Rita’s iDevice Advice for December 
> 61. What is "Voice isolation mode and how do you enable it when on > FaceTime 
> calls?
>
> Answer: Voice isolation in FaceTime uses Machine Learning to block 
> unwanted background noise in FaceTime video/voice calls. It’s not 
> limited to FaceTime calls only. Apple will allow third-party apps to 
> utilize the tech for seamless audio calls.
> When on a call, go to the Control Center (on newer phones, swipe down 
> from the top-right corner) and hold down on the Mic. There you can 
> turn on voice isolation, which will decrease background noise, such as 
> a dog barking or other environmental sounds. This will work in other 
> video-calling apps, too, and will help even if you're wearing AirPods.
> The Voice Isolation mode for your microphone, separates your voice 
> from any distracting background noise that might be on the call • 
> Launch the FaceTime app and initiate a video call.
> • Open Control Center with a diagonal swipe down from the top-right 
> corner of your screen.
> • Tap the Mic Mode button, top-right.
> • Tap Voice Isolation to enable it.
> • Swipe up from the bottom of the screen to dismiss Control Center and 
> return to the call There are two other Voice Isolation Modes: Standard 
> or Wide Spectrum To disable Voice Isolation and use Standard or Wide 
> Spectrum mode, simply repeat the above steps and choose one of the 
> different Voice Isolation modes for the Mic.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2023 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different 
than on other Apps

Hello Everyone,

I have noticed that when making Facetime calls on my 14, via wired Apple 
Earpods, the audio output is different than it is when I am listening to audio 
anywhere else in the OS.  The audio sounds is kind of spacial, or something.  

This is not the case when making Facetime calls on my beloved 8 Plus running 
iOS 15.x.

Has anyone else noticed this and, if so, is there a way to disable it?  I am 
not a huge fan of spacial audio, at least, not at this point.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different than on other Apps

2023-01-01 Thread Marilyn and Don Bilderback
Hi, would this be what you are talking about?  I found it in a message from 
Tony Sweeney.
> VoiceOver Quiz + Answers in iOS 16: Rita’s iDevice Advice for December
> 61. What is "Voice isolation mode and how do you enable it when on > FaceTime 
> calls?
>
> Answer: Voice isolation in FaceTime uses Machine Learning to block 
> unwanted background noise in FaceTime video/voice calls. It’s not 
> limited to FaceTime calls only. Apple will allow third-party apps to 
> utilize the tech for seamless audio calls.
> When on a call, go to the Control Center (on newer phones, swipe down 
> from the top-right corner) and hold down on the Mic. There you can 
> turn on voice isolation, which will decrease background noise, such as 
> a dog barking or other environmental sounds. This will work in other 
> video-calling apps, too, and will help even if you're wearing AirPods.
> The Voice Isolation mode for your microphone, separates your voice 
> from any distracting background noise that might be on the call
> • Launch the FaceTime app and initiate a video call.
> • Open Control Center with a diagonal swipe down from the top-right 
> corner of your screen.
> • Tap the Mic Mode button, top-right.
> • Tap Voice Isolation to enable it.
> • Swipe up from the bottom of the screen to dismiss Control Center and 
> return to the call
> There are two other Voice Isolation Modes: Standard or Wide Spectrum
> To disable Voice Isolation and use Standard or Wide Spectrum mode, 
> simply repeat the above steps and choose one of the different Voice 
> Isolation modes for the Mic.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2023 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different 
than on other Apps

Hello Everyone,

I have noticed that when making Facetime calls on my 14, via wired Apple 
Earpods, the audio output is different than it is when I am listening to audio 
anywhere else in the OS.  The audio sounds is kind of spacial, or something.  

This is not the case when making Facetime calls on my beloved 8 Plus running 
iOS 15.x.

Has anyone else noticed this and, if so, is there a way to disable it?  I am 
not a huge fan of spacial audio, at least, not at this point.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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A Question about Facetime Audio Output in iOS16.2: It is Different than on other Apps

2023-01-01 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Everyone,

I have noticed that when making Facetime calls on my 14, via wired Apple
Earpods, the audio output is different than it is when I am listening to
audio anywhere else in the OS.  The audio sounds is kind of spacial, or
something.  

This is not the case when making Facetime calls on my beloved 8 Plus running
iOS 15.x.

Has anyone else noticed this and, if so, is there a way to disable it?  I am
not a huge fan of spacial audio, at least, not at this point.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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