Re: Looking for accessible language learning Apps
This one sounds familiar, but I’ve tried so many… I’ll give it a try. Thank you. > On Mar 21, 2022, at 7:00 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi, > > I found one a few years ago called Flashcards Deluxe. I haven't used it in a > while, but it worked well at the time. The link is > https://apps.apple.com/us/app/flashcards-deluxe/id307840670 > > All the best, > Anna > > >> On Mar 20, 2022, at 11:26 PM, Cristobal Muñoz >> wrote: >> >> Don’t bother with Fluent Forever. The app’s not VoiceOver accessible and >> they showed no interest in trying to make it so when I reached out to them >> during my trial period. >> Another good language learning tool is a good flashcard app. The best one I >> ever used was called Flashcards++. Unfortunately, the developer seems to >> have abandoned it. It was completely accessible and had all sorts of >> features. I have yet to come across another flashcard app that can replicate >> that user experience. Both in VoiceOver accessibility and user >> functionality. >> If anyone can recommend a really good flashcard app be it free or paid, I’m >> all ears. >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of CHELA >> Robles >> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 4:38 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Looking for accessible language learning Apps >> >> Try Duolingo you can use it on the web duolingo.com or on the appstore you >> can find it and it's very accessible and has the languages you are >> interested in. I love the app and I use it on a regular basis it’s like >> playing a game except you’re learning a lot. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> On Mar 10, 2022, at 3:21 PM, May Anderson wrote: >>> >>> Oo, I would like this information as well. >>> >>> May, LD Wren and the little humans, Jay and Kal >>>> On Mar 10, 2022, at 6:12 PM, Terri Stimmel >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> >>>> I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do >>>> apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. >>>> >>>> >>>> Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a >>>> new language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and maybe >>>> one other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I just >>>> really want to try it, rather or not it works out. >>>> >>>> >>>> I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just >>>> studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. >>>> >>>> Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. >>>> But I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if >>>> possible. >>>> >>>> >>>> What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> >>>> Terri >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CH2PR04MB683996B996C624A18D4D7DA5A80B9%40CH2PR04MB6839.namprd04.prod.outlook.com. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or
RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps
Hi Traci, I installed \Memrise on my iPhone, but it is not quite clear to me how to use it. I would appreciate if you could contact me privately to give me some instructions. Best regards, Gezim -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Traci Duncan Sent: e enjte, 17 mars 2022 16:48 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Looking for accessible language learning Apps Importance: High Hi all, I’m late to this thread, but another recommendation is Memrise. A part of Memrise that is fun is native speakers. I have used the app off and on for a couple years. Give it a try. It’s a different approach from DuoLingo. They are great to have side by side. Traci > On Mar 14, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Loreal Lavigna wrote: > > Hey Mark, > > I realize I was not the intended person from whom you were hoping to hear, > but I've been using Duolingo exclusively and 99% successfully from an > assistive technological standpoint. I started with the app on my previous > phone, a Samsung. Then when I was gifted an iPad Mini 6th Edition back in > November, I put the app on that as well. Then following this, when I > upgraded from my old Samsung to my new iPhone 13 ProMax, I put the app on > this newest device. I've had no issues with using the app to successfully > learn my language of choice, Spanish as well. I also did pay for the annual > subscription to the app, so perhaps that does have something to do with this, > I'm not entirely sure. > > The only thing I would say about the app is that when you're given the > option/opportunity to do a beat-the-clock activity, or timed activity in > other words, I don't get those done as fast as say someone with sight might > do. I could probably do better with these given enough time, patience, and > practice. We'll see what happens when my almost-five-year-old daughter goes > to kindergarten in the Fall. LOL! > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of M. Taylor > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 4:24 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps > > Hello Leo, > > I find your comments intriguing and, quite frankly, enlightening. > > Not to get too far off-point, I want to ask you if you find apps like Duo > Lingo, accessible and can one truly learn a language, in your opinion using > such apps? If not, what do you recommend? > > With regard to my recent experimentation with Duo Lingo, so far, I am not > finding the app accessible. > > So, after opening the app, I did not create an account; at least not yet. > Perhaps this may have something to do with my interface experience. > > Because I have a passing acquaintance with the language, I selected Spanish > as my free language of choice. > > What I am presented with is a grid of photos upon which I can tap to hear the > Spanish word for that particular photo, a man, a woman, a chair, etc. > > As I said, my limited interface choices may have something to do with the > fact that I am using the app without providing an email address. Or, perhaps > there is a setting I have yet to discover that would make the interface work > as Chela and Dave have described. > > All replies greatly appreciated. > > Mark > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Leo Bado > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 9:19 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps > > Hello Terri, > Even though I see that other listers have already made suggestions, I would > like to say something. Indeed, what you’re looking for is called gaming in > the language-learning strategies of recent theoretical accounts. On the other > hand, decontextualized memorization and traditional approaches on language > learning are not sufficiently enough effective to reach competence in any > given spoken language. That only works for archeologists or linguists > researching on dead languages. > My suggestion is trying a holistic approach in which you can carry out > different activities related to the four basic skills in any given language. > Gaming is pretty good, but it is just a small part of the learning process. > Learning a language as an adult is a complex process that requires getting > out of one’s comfort zone. However, this doesn’t mean that it should be > boring or nerve-wracking. In short, I would suggest not letting false > expectations entice you. > > Best, > Leo Bado > > -Original Message- > From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Terri Stimmel > Sent: Thursday, M
Re: Looking for accessible language learning Apps
Hi, I found one a few years ago called Flashcards Deluxe. I haven't used it in a while, but it worked well at the time. The link is https://apps.apple.com/us/app/flashcards-deluxe/id307840670 <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/flashcards-deluxe/id307840670> All the best, Anna > On Mar 20, 2022, at 11:26 PM, Cristobal Muñoz wrote: > > Don’t bother with Fluent Forever. The app’s not VoiceOver accessible and they > showed no interest in trying to make it so when I reached out to them > during my trial period. > Another good language learning tool is a good flashcard app. The best one I > ever used was called Flashcards++. Unfortunately, the developer seems to have > abandoned it. It was completely accessible and had all sorts of features. I > have yet to come across another flashcard app that can replicate that user > experience. Both in VoiceOver accessibility and user functionality. > If anyone can recommend a really good flashcard app be it free or paid, I’m > all ears. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of > CHELA Robles > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 4:38 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Looking for accessible language learning Apps > > Try Duolingo you can use it on the web duolingo.com <http://duolingo.com/> or > on the appstore you can find it and it's very accessible and has the > languages you are interested in. I love the app and I use it on a regular > basis it’s like playing a game except you’re learning a lot. > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> On Mar 10, 2022, at 3:21 PM, May Anderson > <mailto:m...@canadianlynx.ca>> wrote: >> >> Oo, I would like this information as well. >> >> May, LD Wren and the little humans, Jay and Kal >>> On Mar 10, 2022, at 6:12 PM, Terri Stimmel >> <mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> >>> I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do >>> apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. >>> >>> >>> Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a new >>> language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and maybe one >>> other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I just really >>> want to try it, rather or not it works out. >>> >>> >>> I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just >>> studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. >>> >>> Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. But >>> I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if possible. >>> >>> >>> What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> Terri >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - >>> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> >>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CH2PR04MB683996B996C624A18D4D7DA5A80B9%40CH2PR04MB6839.namprd04.prod.outlook.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CH2PR04MB683996B996C624A18D4D7DA5A80B9%40CH2PR04MB6839.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>. >>> >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>
RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps
Don’t bother with Fluent Forever. The app’s not VoiceOver accessible and they showed no interest in trying to make it so when I reached out to them during my trial period. Another good language learning tool is a good flashcard app. The best one I ever used was called Flashcards++. Unfortunately, the developer seems to have abandoned it. It was completely accessible and had all sorts of features. I have yet to come across another flashcard app that can replicate that user experience. Both in VoiceOver accessibility and user functionality. If anyone can recommend a really good flashcard app be it free or paid, I’m all ears. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of CHELA Robles Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 4:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Looking for accessible language learning Apps Try Duolingo you can use it on the web duolingo.com or on the appstore you can find it and it's very accessible and has the languages you are interested in. I love the app and I use it on a regular basis it’s like playing a game except you’re learning a lot. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2022, at 3:21 PM, May Anderson mailto:m...@canadianlynx.ca> > wrote: Oo, I would like this information as well. May, LD Wren and the little humans, Jay and Kal On Mar 10, 2022, at 6:12 PM, Terri Stimmel mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com> > wrote: Hello everyone, I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a new language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and maybe one other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I just really want to try it, rather or not it works out. I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. But I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if possible. What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? Thank you, Terri -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CH2PR04MB683996B996C624A18D4D7DA5A80B9%40CH2PR04MB6839.namprd04.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/03FDE9DA-03D6-47A7-83BD-57FF27B87A2C%40canadianlynx.ca <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/03FDE9DA-03D6-47A7-83BD-57FF27B87A2C%40canadianlynx.ca?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu.
Re: Looking for accessible language learning Apps
Hi all, I’m late to this thread, but another recommendation is Memrise. A part of Memrise that is fun is native speakers. I have used the app off and on for a couple years. Give it a try. It’s a different approach from DuoLingo. They are great to have side by side. Traci > On Mar 14, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Loreal Lavigna wrote: > > Hey Mark, > > I realize I was not the intended person from whom you were hoping to hear, > but I've been using Duolingo exclusively and 99% successfully from an > assistive technological standpoint. I started with the app on my previous > phone, a Samsung. Then when I was gifted an iPad Mini 6th Edition back in > November, I put the app on that as well. Then following this, when I > upgraded from my old Samsung to my new iPhone 13 ProMax, I put the app on > this newest device. I've had no issues with using the app to successfully > learn my language of choice, Spanish as well. I also did pay for the annual > subscription to the app, so perhaps that does have something to do with this, > I'm not entirely sure. > > The only thing I would say about the app is that when you're given the > option/opportunity to do a beat-the-clock activity, or timed activity in > other words, I don't get those done as fast as say someone with sight might > do. I could probably do better with these given enough time, patience, and > practice. We'll see what happens when my almost-five-year-old daughter goes > to kindergarten in the Fall. LOL! > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. > Taylor > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 4:24 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps > > Hello Leo, > > I find your comments intriguing and, quite frankly, enlightening. > > Not to get too far off-point, I want to ask you if you find apps like Duo > Lingo, accessible and can one truly learn a language, in your opinion using > such apps? If not, what do you recommend? > > With regard to my recent experimentation with Duo Lingo, so far, I am not > finding the app accessible. > > So, after opening the app, I did not create an account; at least not yet. > Perhaps this may have something to do with my interface experience. > > Because I have a passing acquaintance with the language, I selected Spanish > as my free language of choice. > > What I am presented with is a grid of photos upon which I can tap to hear the > Spanish word for that particular photo, a man, a woman, a chair, etc. > > As I said, my limited interface choices may have something to do with the > fact that I am using the app without providing an email address. Or, perhaps > there is a setting I have yet to discover that would make the interface work > as Chela and Dave have described. > > All replies greatly appreciated. > > Mark > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Leo > Bado > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 9:19 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps > > Hello Terri, > Even though I see that other listers have already made suggestions, I would > like to say something. Indeed, what you’re looking for is called gaming in > the language-learning strategies of recent theoretical accounts. On the other > hand, decontextualized memorization and traditional approaches on language > learning are not sufficiently enough effective to reach competence in any > given spoken language. That only works for archeologists or linguists > researching on dead languages. > My suggestion is trying a holistic approach in which you can carry out > different activities related to the four basic skills in any given language. > Gaming is pretty good, but it is just a small part of the learning process. > Learning a language as an adult is a complex process that requires getting > out of one’s comfort zone. However, this doesn’t mean that it should be > boring or nerve-wracking. In short, I would suggest not letting false > expectations entice you. > > Best, > Leo Bado > > -Original Message- > From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On > Behalf Of Terri Stimmel > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 5:12 PM > To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Looking for accessible language learning Apps > > Hello everyone, > > > I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do > apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. > > > Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a > new language. I am most interested in learnin
RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps
Hey Mark, I realize I was not the intended person from whom you were hoping to hear, but I've been using Duolingo exclusively and 99% successfully from an assistive technological standpoint. I started with the app on my previous phone, a Samsung. Then when I was gifted an iPad Mini 6th Edition back in November, I put the app on that as well. Then following this, when I upgraded from my old Samsung to my new iPhone 13 ProMax, I put the app on this newest device. I've had no issues with using the app to successfully learn my language of choice, Spanish as well. I also did pay for the annual subscription to the app, so perhaps that does have something to do with this, I'm not entirely sure. The only thing I would say about the app is that when you're given the option/opportunity to do a beat-the-clock activity, or timed activity in other words, I don't get those done as fast as say someone with sight might do. I could probably do better with these given enough time, patience, and practice. We'll see what happens when my almost-five-year-old daughter goes to kindergarten in the Fall. LOL! -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 4:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps Hello Leo, I find your comments intriguing and, quite frankly, enlightening. Not to get too far off-point, I want to ask you if you find apps like Duo Lingo, accessible and can one truly learn a language, in your opinion using such apps? If not, what do you recommend? With regard to my recent experimentation with Duo Lingo, so far, I am not finding the app accessible. So, after opening the app, I did not create an account; at least not yet. Perhaps this may have something to do with my interface experience. Because I have a passing acquaintance with the language, I selected Spanish as my free language of choice. What I am presented with is a grid of photos upon which I can tap to hear the Spanish word for that particular photo, a man, a woman, a chair, etc. As I said, my limited interface choices may have something to do with the fact that I am using the app without providing an email address. Or, perhaps there is a setting I have yet to discover that would make the interface work as Chela and Dave have described. All replies greatly appreciated. Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Leo Bado Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 9:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps Hello Terri, Even though I see that other listers have already made suggestions, I would like to say something. Indeed, what you’re looking for is called gaming in the language-learning strategies of recent theoretical accounts. On the other hand, decontextualized memorization and traditional approaches on language learning are not sufficiently enough effective to reach competence in any given spoken language. That only works for archeologists or linguists researching on dead languages. My suggestion is trying a holistic approach in which you can carry out different activities related to the four basic skills in any given language. Gaming is pretty good, but it is just a small part of the learning process. Learning a language as an adult is a complex process that requires getting out of one’s comfort zone. However, this doesn’t mean that it should be boring or nerve-wracking. In short, I would suggest not letting false expectations entice you. Best, Leo Bado -Original Message- From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Terri Stimmel Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 5:12 PM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Looking for accessible language learning Apps Hello everyone, I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a new language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and maybe one other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I just really want to try it, rather or not it works out. I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. But I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if possible. What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? Thank you, Terri -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list mod
RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps
Duolingo is the top accessible app in my book; closely followed by Babble, but still Duolingo offers the best experience especially from an assistive tech perspective. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Brandon A. Olivares Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 5:54 PM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Looking for accessible language learning Apps I've used Duolingo before, and it is definitely accessible. No, personally I don't think that Duolingo, by itself, is enough to learn a language to fluency. It's always going to require real-life conversation with natives of that language. Italki is a great service for that, but I do think Duolingo is very useful. Brandon > On Mar 12, 2022, at 4:23 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Leo, > > I find your comments intriguing and, quite frankly, enlightening. > > Not to get too far off-point, I want to ask you if you find apps like Duo > Lingo, accessible and can one truly learn a language, in your opinion using > such apps? If not, what do you recommend? > > With regard to my recent experimentation with Duo Lingo, so far, I am not > finding the app accessible. > > So, after opening the app, I did not create an account; at least not yet. > Perhaps this may have something to do with my interface experience. > > Because I have a passing acquaintance with the language, I selected Spanish > as my free language of choice. > > What I am presented with is a grid of photos upon which I can tap to hear the > Spanish word for that particular photo, a man, a woman, a chair, etc. > > As I said, my limited interface choices may have something to do with the > fact that I am using the app without providing an email address. Or, perhaps > there is a setting I have yet to discover that would make the interface work > as Chela and Dave have described. > > All replies greatly appreciated. > > Mark > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Leo Bado > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 9:19 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps > > Hello Terri, > Even though I see that other listers have already made suggestions, I would > like to say something. Indeed, what you’re looking for is called gaming in > the language-learning strategies of recent theoretical accounts. On the other > hand, decontextualized memorization and traditional approaches on language > learning are not sufficiently enough effective to reach competence in any > given spoken language. That only works for archeologists or linguists > researching on dead languages. > My suggestion is trying a holistic approach in which you can carry out > different activities related to the four basic skills in any given language. > Gaming is pretty good, but it is just a small part of the learning process. > Learning a language as an adult is a complex process that requires getting > out of one’s comfort zone. However, this doesn’t mean that it should be > boring or nerve-wracking. In short, I would suggest not letting false > expectations entice you. > > Best, > Leo Bado > > -Original Message- > From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Terri Stimmel > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 5:12 PM > To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Looking for accessible language learning Apps > > Hello everyone, > > > I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do > apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. > > > Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn > a new language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and > maybe one other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But > I just really want to try it, rather or not it works out. > > > I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just > studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. > > Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. > But I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if > possible. > > > What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? > > > Thank you, > > > Terri > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mailto:mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn
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I have been using duo lingo for the past 18 months in order to learn German. It is an excellent app which I am using on my iPhone. However I have just come back from holiday where there were many Germans and I was quite disappointed as I thought I was approaching fluency and yet, although I could understand what they were talking about, I couldn't actually converse with them, not as such anyway. But it is a really good app but I agree, i probably need a German conversation group as well. Sent from my iPhone by Alison may 0777 315 8181 > On 12 Mar 2022, at 10:54 pm, Brandon A. Olivares > wrote: > > I've used Duolingo before, and it is definitely accessible. > > No, personally I don't think that Duolingo, by itself, is enough to learn a > language to fluency. It's always going to require real-life conversation with > natives of that language. Italki is a great service for that, but I do think > Duolingo is very useful. > > Brandon > >> On Mar 12, 2022, at 4:23 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Hello Leo, >> >> I find your comments intriguing and, quite frankly, enlightening. >> >> Not to get too far off-point, I want to ask you if you find apps like Duo >> Lingo, accessible and can one truly learn a language, in your opinion using >> such apps? If not, what do you recommend? >> >> With regard to my recent experimentation with Duo Lingo, so far, I am not >> finding the app accessible. >> >> So, after opening the app, I did not create an account; at least not yet. >> Perhaps this may have something to do with my interface experience. >> >> Because I have a passing acquaintance with the language, I selected Spanish >> as my free language of choice. >> >> What I am presented with is a grid of photos upon which I can tap to hear >> the Spanish word for that particular photo, a man, a woman, a chair, etc. >> >> As I said, my limited interface choices may have something to do with the >> fact that I am using the app without providing an email address. Or, >> perhaps there is a setting I have yet to discover that would make the >> interface work as Chela and Dave have described. >> >> All replies greatly appreciated. >> >> Mark >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Leo >> Bado >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 9:19 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps >> >> Hello Terri, >> Even though I see that other listers have already made suggestions, I would >> like to say something. Indeed, what you’re looking for is called gaming in >> the language-learning strategies of recent theoretical accounts. On the >> other hand, decontextualized memorization and traditional approaches on >> language learning are not sufficiently enough effective to reach competence >> in any given spoken language. That only works for archeologists or >> linguists researching on dead languages. >> My suggestion is trying a holistic approach in which you can carry out >> different activities related to the four basic skills in any given language. >> Gaming is pretty good, but it is just a small part of the learning process. >> Learning a language as an adult is a complex process that requires getting >> out of one’s comfort zone. However, this doesn’t mean that it should be >> boring or nerve-wracking. In short, I would suggest not letting false >> expectations entice you. >> >> Best, >> Leo Bado >> >> -Original Message- >> From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On >> Behalf Of Terri Stimmel >> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 5:12 PM >> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Looking for accessible language learning Apps >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> >> I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do >> apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. >> >> >> Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a >> new language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and >> maybe one other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I >> just really want to try it, rather or not it works out. >> >> >> I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just >> studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. >> >> Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. >> But I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy t
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As a learning strategy, gaming is useful because it brings about the ludic factor into the learning process, which provides a more similar approach to the way little kids learn by reacting to stimulation. However, learning a language really takes a combination of strategies, effort, motivation, and some kind of formal instruction. Of course, one may ask, to which degree do you need to dig deeper into strategies and formal instruction? The answer depends on learner’s realistic goal. If you want to hold a conversation with acquaintances or friends,, you may allow yourself to set the bar low, but you won’t be able to understand what is spoken in a different context, let say, a lecture. Learning through gaming is a powerful ally, but ineffective if learners use it as a panacea, so to speak. Best, Leo Bado -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps Hello Leo, I find your comments intriguing and, quite frankly, enlightening. Not to get too far off-point, I want to ask you if you find apps like Duo Lingo, accessible and can one truly learn a language, in your opinion using such apps? If not, what do you recommend? With regard to my recent experimentation with Duo Lingo, so far, I am not finding the app accessible. So, after opening the app, I did not create an account; at least not yet. Perhaps this may have something to do with my interface experience. Because I have a passing acquaintance with the language, I selected Spanish as my free language of choice. What I am presented with is a grid of photos upon which I can tap to hear the Spanish word for that particular photo, a man, a woman, a chair, etc. As I said, my limited interface choices may have something to do with the fact that I am using the app without providing an email address. Or, perhaps there is a setting I have yet to discover that would make the interface work as Chela and Dave have described. All replies greatly appreciated. Mark From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com < <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Leo Bado Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 9:19 AM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps Hello Terri, Even though I see that other listers have already made suggestions, I would like to say something. Indeed, what you’re looking for is called gaming in the language-learning strategies of recent theoretical accounts. On the other hand, decontextualized memorization and traditional approaches on language learning are not sufficiently enough effective to reach competence in any given spoken language. That only works for archeologists or linguists researching on dead languages. My suggestion is trying a holistic approach in which you can carry out different activities related to the four basic skills in any given language. Gaming is pretty good, but it is just a small part of the learning process. Learning a language as an adult is a complex process that requires getting out of one’s comfort zone. However, this doesn’t mean that it should be boring or nerve-wracking. In short, I would suggest not letting false expectations entice you. Best, Leo Bado -Original Message- From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com < <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Terri Stimmel Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 5:12 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Looking for accessible language learning Apps Hello everyone, I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a new language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and maybe one other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I just really want to try it, rather or not it works out. I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. But I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if possible. What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? Thank you, Terri -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contac
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I've used Duolingo before, and it is definitely accessible. No, personally I don't think that Duolingo, by itself, is enough to learn a language to fluency. It's always going to require real-life conversation with natives of that language. Italki is a great service for that, but I do think Duolingo is very useful. Brandon > On Mar 12, 2022, at 4:23 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Leo, > > I find your comments intriguing and, quite frankly, enlightening. > > Not to get too far off-point, I want to ask you if you find apps like Duo > Lingo, accessible and can one truly learn a language, in your opinion using > such apps? If not, what do you recommend? > > With regard to my recent experimentation with Duo Lingo, so far, I am not > finding the app accessible. > > So, after opening the app, I did not create an account; at least not yet. > Perhaps this may have something to do with my interface experience. > > Because I have a passing acquaintance with the language, I selected Spanish > as my free language of choice. > > What I am presented with is a grid of photos upon which I can tap to hear the > Spanish word for that particular photo, a man, a woman, a chair, etc. > > As I said, my limited interface choices may have something to do with the > fact that I am using the app without providing an email address. Or, perhaps > there is a setting I have yet to discover that would make the interface work > as Chela and Dave have described. > > All replies greatly appreciated. > > Mark > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Leo > Bado > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 9:19 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps > > Hello Terri, > Even though I see that other listers have already made suggestions, I would > like to say something. Indeed, what you’re looking for is called gaming in > the language-learning strategies of recent theoretical accounts. On the other > hand, decontextualized memorization and traditional approaches on language > learning are not sufficiently enough effective to reach competence in any > given spoken language. That only works for archeologists or linguists > researching on dead languages. > My suggestion is trying a holistic approach in which you can carry out > different activities related to the four basic skills in any given language. > Gaming is pretty good, but it is just a small part of the learning process. > Learning a language as an adult is a complex process that requires getting > out of one’s comfort zone. However, this doesn’t mean that it should be > boring or nerve-wracking. In short, I would suggest not letting false > expectations entice you. > > Best, > Leo Bado > > -Original Message- > From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On > Behalf Of Terri Stimmel > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 5:12 PM > To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Looking for accessible language learning Apps > > Hello everyone, > > > I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do > apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. > > > Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a > new language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and > maybe one other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I > just really want to try it, rather or not it works out. > > > I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just > studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. > > Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. > But I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if > possible. > > > What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? > > > Thank you, > > > Terri > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mailto:mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
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Are you using voice over or are you using zoom? If using voice over everything reads out very well I’ve had no issues in setting up an account of course I did this a long time ago like back in 2014 I’m now in the Emerald league in Spanish because I want to brush up on it. So far so good. By the way I use voice over and I’m totally blind. Plus if you want to ever try to chat with anybody in Spanish I think for plus members that have certain audio classes to sign up for but I’ve never done that nor do I wish to do so but they do have stories to listen to that you can actually unlock it’s like reading comprehension they have a series of questions after that. There’s even a Spanish podcast with Duolingo. Anyway back to your set up, how did you choose a language without setting up an account first? Did you press like a skip button maybe that’s why? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 12, 2022, at 1:23 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Leo, > > I find your comments intriguing and, quite frankly, enlightening. > > Not to get too far off-point, I want to ask you if you find apps like Duo > Lingo, accessible and can one truly learn a language, in your opinion using > such apps? If not, what do you recommend? > > With regard to my recent experimentation with Duo Lingo, so far, I am not > finding the app accessible. > > So, after opening the app, I did not create an account; at least not yet. > Perhaps this may have something to do with my interface experience. > > Because I have a passing acquaintance with the language, I selected Spanish > as my free language of choice. > > What I am presented with is a grid of photos upon which I can tap to hear the > Spanish word for that particular photo, a man, a woman, a chair, etc. > > As I said, my limited interface choices may have something to do with the > fact that I am using the app without providing an email address. Or, perhaps > there is a setting I have yet to discover that would make the interface work > as Chela and Dave have described. > > All replies greatly appreciated. > > Mark > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Leo > Bado > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 9:19 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps > > Hello Terri, > Even though I see that other listers have already made suggestions, I would > like to say something. Indeed, what you’re looking for is called gaming in > the language-learning strategies of recent theoretical accounts. On the other > hand, decontextualized memorization and traditional approaches on language > learning are not sufficiently enough effective to reach competence in any > given spoken language. That only works for archeologists or linguists > researching on dead languages. > My suggestion is trying a holistic approach in which you can carry out > different activities related to the four basic skills in any given language. > Gaming is pretty good, but it is just a small part of the learning process. > Learning a language as an adult is a complex process that requires getting > out of one’s comfort zone. However, this doesn’t mean that it should be > boring or nerve-wracking. In short, I would suggest not letting false > expectations entice you. > > Best, > Leo Bado > > -Original Message- > From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On > Behalf Of Terri Stimmel > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 5:12 PM > To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Looking for accessible language learning Apps > > Hello everyone, > > > I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do > apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. > > > Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a > new language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and > maybe one other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I > just really want to try it, rather or not it works out. > > > I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just > studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. > > Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. > But I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if > possible. > > > What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? > > > Thank you, > > > Terri > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly
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Hello Leo, I find your comments intriguing and, quite frankly, enlightening. Not to get too far off-point, I want to ask you if you find apps like Duo Lingo, accessible and can one truly learn a language, in your opinion using such apps? If not, what do you recommend? With regard to my recent experimentation with Duo Lingo, so far, I am not finding the app accessible. So, after opening the app, I did not create an account; at least not yet. Perhaps this may have something to do with my interface experience. Because I have a passing acquaintance with the language, I selected Spanish as my free language of choice. What I am presented with is a grid of photos upon which I can tap to hear the Spanish word for that particular photo, a man, a woman, a chair, etc. As I said, my limited interface choices may have something to do with the fact that I am using the app without providing an email address. Or, perhaps there is a setting I have yet to discover that would make the interface work as Chela and Dave have described. All replies greatly appreciated. Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Leo Bado Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 9:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps Hello Terri, Even though I see that other listers have already made suggestions, I would like to say something. Indeed, what you’re looking for is called gaming in the language-learning strategies of recent theoretical accounts. On the other hand, decontextualized memorization and traditional approaches on language learning are not sufficiently enough effective to reach competence in any given spoken language. That only works for archeologists or linguists researching on dead languages. My suggestion is trying a holistic approach in which you can carry out different activities related to the four basic skills in any given language. Gaming is pretty good, but it is just a small part of the learning process. Learning a language as an adult is a complex process that requires getting out of one’s comfort zone. However, this doesn’t mean that it should be boring or nerve-wracking. In short, I would suggest not letting false expectations entice you. Best, Leo Bado -Original Message- From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Terri Stimmel Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 5:12 PM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Looking for accessible language learning Apps Hello everyone, I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a new language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and maybe one other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I just really want to try it, rather or not it works out. I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. But I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if possible. What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? Thank you, Terri -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mailto:mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CH2PR04MB683996B996C624A18D4D7DA5A80B9%40CH2PR04MB6839.namprd04.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mailto:mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscrib
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Hello Terri, Even though I see that other listers have already made suggestions, I would like to say something. Indeed, what you’re looking for is called gaming in the language-learning strategies of recent theoretical accounts. On the other hand, decontextualized memorization and traditional approaches on language learning are not sufficiently enough effective to reach competence in any given spoken language. That only works for archeologists or linguists researching on dead languages. My suggestion is trying a holistic approach in which you can carry out different activities related to the four basic skills in any given language. Gaming is pretty good, but it is just a small part of the learning process. Learning a language as an adult is a complex process that requires getting out of one’s comfort zone. However, this doesn’t mean that it should be boring or nerve-wracking. In short, I would suggest not letting false expectations entice you. Best, Leo Bado -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Terri Stimmel Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 5:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Looking for accessible language learning Apps Hello everyone, I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a new language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and maybe one other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I just really want to try it, rather or not it works out. I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. But I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if possible. What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? Thank you, Terri -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CH2PR04MB683996B996C624A18D4D7DA5A80B9%40CH2PR04MB6839.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CH2PR04MB683996B996C624A18D4D7DA5A80B9%40CH2PR04MB6839.namprd04.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/043f01d83635%2454fa3540%24feee9fc0%24%40myself.com.
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Hello Mark, That is not the case with Duolingo. There aren’t any photos they display the words both in English and the language that you’re learning say English in Spanish for example and you have to match the Spanish word with the English word no pictures involved there are tabs per options and when I mean tap the pairs, you just double tap like you would since you’re using voiceover. When you’ve gotten it all correct you’ll hear a little chime telling you that it’s done and that you’ve successfully matched each foreign word with English for example. I have never tried Pimsleur before I mean I’ve heard their audio tapes but that was way back in the day lol! Didn’t know they had an app and as for dual lingo plus which is the subscription the cheapest one is $9.99 a month. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2022, at 7:22 PM, Dave Clement wrote: > > Hi, > > This is not the way the current app works. I haven't encountered any such > questions in the over 60 lessons I've done so far. Give it a try and see. > > Dave Clement > Winnipeg MB > > > On Mar 10, 2022, at 9:17 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Dave, Chela, et al: > > The last time I explored Duo Lingo, there were a great deal of photos that > one had to name in order to begin the learning process. > > For example, in order to practice vocabulary, the app would display a grid of > photos, and the student had to match a word with the photo. Is this no > longer a problem? > > Mark > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dave > Clement > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 6:38 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Looking for accessible language learning Apps > > Hello, > > I am currently using the Duo Lingo app to study some French. I find it > totally accessible so far. The app does have a subscription version that will > remove ads and some other usage limits but I am not certain of the cost as I > am just working with the free part of the app. The app does have some "listen > and speak" capabilities along with introducing reading, writing, and grammar. > It is fun and effective. > > I have also used the Pimsleur language learning app. This app teaches > conversational languages and does not get into reading and writing and > grammar very much. It is an audio based system, listen and repeat. It is a > subscription app asking $18.xx per month for a 3-language option or $25 per > month cost for full access to all 51 languages they support. I have found the > app fully accessible so far and I have used the Pimsleur courses in the past > to pick up a basic intro to languages for foreign countries that I have > visited. For me, this system has been very successful. > > Good luck learning a language and have fun with it. > > Dave Clement > Winnipeg MB > > > On Mar 10, 2022, at 6:37 PM, CHELA Robles <mailto:cdrobles...@gmail.com> > wrote: > Try Duolingo you can use it on the web duolingo.com or on the appstore you > can find it and it's very accessible and has the languages you are interested > in. I love the app and I use it on a regular basis it’s like playing a game > except you’re learning a lot. > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 10, 2022, at 3:21 PM, May Anderson <mailto:m...@canadianlynx.ca> wrote: > Oo, I would like this information as well. > > May, LD Wren and the little humans, Jay and Kal > On Mar 10, 2022, at 6:12 PM, Terri Stimmel > <mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do > apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. > > > Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a new > language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and maybe one > other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I just really > want to try it, rather or not it works out. > > > I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just > studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. > > Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. But I > would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if possible. > > > What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? > > > Thank you, > > > Terri > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderato
Re: Looking for accessible language learning Apps
Hi, This is not the way the current app works. I haven't encountered any such questions in the over 60 lessons I've done so far. Give it a try and see. Dave Clement Winnipeg MB On Mar 10, 2022, at 9:17 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Dave, Chela, et al: The last time I explored Duo Lingo, there were a great deal of photos that one had to name in order to begin the learning process. For example, in order to practice vocabulary, the app would display a grid of photos, and the student had to match a word with the photo. Is this no longer a problem? Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dave Clement Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 6:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Looking for accessible language learning Apps Hello, I am currently using the Duo Lingo app to study some French. I find it totally accessible so far. The app does have a subscription version that will remove ads and some other usage limits but I am not certain of the cost as I am just working with the free part of the app. The app does have some "listen and speak" capabilities along with introducing reading, writing, and grammar. It is fun and effective. I have also used the Pimsleur language learning app. This app teaches conversational languages and does not get into reading and writing and grammar very much. It is an audio based system, listen and repeat. It is a subscription app asking $18.xx per month for a 3-language option or $25 per month cost for full access to all 51 languages they support. I have found the app fully accessible so far and I have used the Pimsleur courses in the past to pick up a basic intro to languages for foreign countries that I have visited. For me, this system has been very successful. Good luck learning a language and have fun with it. Dave Clement Winnipeg MB On Mar 10, 2022, at 6:37 PM, CHELA Robles <mailto:cdrobles...@gmail.com> wrote: Try Duolingo you can use it on the web duolingo.com or on the appstore you can find it and it's very accessible and has the languages you are interested in. I love the app and I use it on a regular basis it’s like playing a game except you’re learning a lot. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2022, at 3:21 PM, May Anderson <mailto:m...@canadianlynx.ca> wrote: Oo, I would like this information as well. May, LD Wren and the little humans, Jay and Kal On Mar 10, 2022, at 6:12 PM, Terri Stimmel <mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com> wrote: Hello everyone, I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a new language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and maybe one other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I just really want to try it, rather or not it works out. I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. But I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if possible. What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? Thank you, Terri -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mailto:mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CH2PR04MB683996B996C624A18D4D7DA5A80B9%40CH2PR04MB6839.namprd04.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mailto:mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving
RE: Looking for accessible language learning Apps
Dave, Chela, et al: The last time I explored Duo Lingo, there were a great deal of photos that one had to name in order to begin the learning process. For example, in order to practice vocabulary, the app would display a grid of photos, and the student had to match a word with the photo. Is this no longer a problem? Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dave Clement Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 6:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Looking for accessible language learning Apps Hello, I am currently using the Duo Lingo app to study some French. I find it totally accessible so far. The app does have a subscription version that will remove ads and some other usage limits but I am not certain of the cost as I am just working with the free part of the app. The app does have some "listen and speak" capabilities along with introducing reading, writing, and grammar. It is fun and effective. I have also used the Pimsleur language learning app. This app teaches conversational languages and does not get into reading and writing and grammar very much. It is an audio based system, listen and repeat. It is a subscription app asking $18.xx per month for a 3-language option or $25 per month cost for full access to all 51 languages they support. I have found the app fully accessible so far and I have used the Pimsleur courses in the past to pick up a basic intro to languages for foreign countries that I have visited. For me, this system has been very successful. Good luck learning a language and have fun with it. Dave Clement Winnipeg MB On Mar 10, 2022, at 6:37 PM, CHELA Robles <mailto:cdrobles...@gmail.com> wrote: Try Duolingo you can use it on the web duolingo.com or on the appstore you can find it and it's very accessible and has the languages you are interested in. I love the app and I use it on a regular basis it’s like playing a game except you’re learning a lot. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2022, at 3:21 PM, May Anderson <mailto:m...@canadianlynx.ca> wrote: Oo, I would like this information as well. May, LD Wren and the little humans, Jay and Kal On Mar 10, 2022, at 6:12 PM, Terri Stimmel <mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com> wrote: Hello everyone, I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a new language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and maybe one other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I just really want to try it, rather or not it works out. I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. But I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if possible. What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? Thank you, Terri -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mailto:mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CH2PR04MB683996B996C624A18D4D7DA5A80B9%40CH2PR04MB6839.namprd04.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mailto:mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/03FDE9DA-03D6-47A7-83BD-57FF27B87A2C%40canadianlynx.ca?utm_medium=em
Re: Looking for accessible language learning Apps
Hello, I am currently using the Duo Lingo app to study some French. I find it totally accessible so far. The app does have a subscription version that will remove ads and some other usage limits but I am not certain of the cost as I am just working with the free part of the app. The app does have some "listen and speak" capabilities along with introducing reading, writing, and grammar. It is fun and effective. I have also used the Pimsleur language learning app. This app teaches conversational languages and does not get into reading and writing and grammar very much. It is an audio based system, listen and repeat. It is a subscription app asking $18.xx per month for a 3-language option or $25 per month cost for full access to all 51 languages they support. I have found the app fully accessible so far and I have used the Pimsleur courses in the past to pick up a basic intro to languages for foreign countries that I have visited. For me, this system has been very successful. Good luck learning a language and have fun with it. Dave Clement Winnipeg MB On Mar 10, 2022, at 6:37 PM, CHELA Robles wrote: Try Duolingo you can use it on the web duolingo.com or on the appstore you can find it and it's very accessible and has the languages you are interested in. I love the app and I use it on a regular basis it’s like playing a game except you’re learning a lot. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2022, at 3:21 PM, May Anderson wrote: > > Oo, I would like this information as well. > > May, LD Wren and the little humans, Jay and Kal >> On Mar 10, 2022, at 6:12 PM, Terri Stimmel >> wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> >> I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do >> apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. >> >> >> Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a new >> language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and maybe one >> other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I just really >> want to try it, rather or not it works out. >> >> >> I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just >> studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. >> >> Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. But >> I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if possible. >> >> >> What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> >> Terri >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CH2PR04MB683996B996C624A18D4D7DA5A80B9%40CH2PR04MB6839.namprd04.prod.outlook.com. >> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/03FDE9DA-03D6-47A7-83BD-57FF27B87A2C%40canadianlynx.ca. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:
Re: Looking for accessible language learning Apps
Try Duolingo you can use it on the web duolingo.com or on the appstore you can find it and it's very accessible and has the languages you are interested in. I love the app and I use it on a regular basis it’s like playing a game except you’re learning a lot. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2022, at 3:21 PM, May Anderson wrote: > > Oo, I would like this information as well. > > May, LD Wren and the little humans, Jay and Kal >> On Mar 10, 2022, at 6:12 PM, Terri Stimmel >> wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> >> I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do >> apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. >> >> >> Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a new >> language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and maybe one >> other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I just really >> want to try it, rather or not it works out. >> >> >> I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just >> studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. >> >> Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. But >> I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if possible. >> >> >> What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> >> Terri >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CH2PR04MB683996B996C624A18D4D7DA5A80B9%40CH2PR04MB6839.namprd04.prod.outlook.com. >> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/03FDE9DA-03D6-47A7-83BD-57FF27B87A2C%40canadianlynx.ca. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/0374025C-E5A3-4D8E-9568-8750804BF8BC%40gmail.com.
Re: Looking for accessible language learning Apps
Oo, I would like this information as well. May, LD Wren and the little humans, Jay and Kal > On Mar 10, 2022, at 6:12 PM, Terri Stimmel > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do > apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. > > > Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a new > language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and maybe one > other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I just really > want to try it, rather or not it works out. > > > I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just > studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. > > Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. But I > would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if possible. > > > What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? > > > Thank you, > > > Terri > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CH2PR04MB683996B996C624A18D4D7DA5A80B9%40CH2PR04MB6839.namprd04.prod.outlook.com. > -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/03FDE9DA-03D6-47A7-83BD-57FF27B87A2C%40canadianlynx.ca.
Looking for accessible language learning Apps
Hello everyone, I can't remember if this was recently asked here, or not. If so, I do apologize. I know I saw similar questions somewhere. Anyway, I am looking for an accessible App, to help me possibly learn a new language. I am most interested in learning Chinese, Spanish, and maybe one other as well. I don't know how possible any of this is. But I just really want to try it, rather or not it works out. I want an App where the learning is done through interaction. Not just studying, or trying to do a lot of memorizing. Also, I don't mind purchasing an App. Or paying to learn the languages. But I would like the App to be quite accessible, and easy to use, if possible. What do you all think? Does what I am looking for, even exist? Thank you, Terri -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CH2PR04MB683996B996C624A18D4D7DA5A80B9%40CH2PR04MB6839.namprd04.prod.outlook.com.
