Re: Experimenting with app thinning and copying apps from my iTunes library
I saved the post because I'l never remember it. I have a folder I call Tips and Tutorials where I keep info like this. -Original Message- From: M. Taylor Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 11:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Experimenting with app thinning and copying apps from my iTunes library Grant, Your conclusions are absolutely correct. Several times during a week when I update apps on my iOS devices, I open iTunes and update them on the computer, as well, so as to have a good backup version. I posted about this a year or so ago but I don't think it was well received as this method is somewhat counter intuitive to the classic way apps used to be handled. Regardless, an excellent post and I hope many benefit from it. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:06 PM To: Viphone List Subject: Experimenting with app thinning and copying apps from my iTunes library Hi all, I believe it’s still possible to sync apps to iDevices from your iTunes library as of iOS 10. I just successfully copied an older version of the Tile app from my Mac to my iPhone. Once the sync process began, the app showed up on my home screen and displayed “loading” just as it would if it were being downloaded from iCloud, but I’m pretty sure it was in fact copying from my local library and iTunes displayed status info to verify this. Now I’ve successfully rolled back the app to the older version. Based on this, I think we can continue to sync apps from iTunes keeping in mind the following caveats: 1. You can’t ever copy in the other direction (from an iDevice to iTunes) due to app thinning. However, from the Store tab in the iTunes preferences window you can configure your computers to download newly purchased apps automatically, thus giving you a local copy in iTunes that can be used later. 2. The auto-download feature won’t keep apps up to date. For example, if you have automatic downloads on and purchase BlindSquare for the first time, a local copy will download to your computers but future updates won’t automatically download—even if you update on your iDevice. To work around this, you can manually update from the apps section within iTunes. So, if you’ve kept your favourite reading app up to date from the apps section in iTunes and then a new version comes out that breaks accessibility, you should be able to roll back. 3. I’m not sure what the situation is for devices restored from iTunes backups and would love if someone could investigate during their next restore. I listened to Jonathan’s podcast and it certainly seemed like apps were being downloaded from iCloud so I’m not sure whether there’s a workaround there or what might have been happening. However, that would make sense if the required content wasn’t available in the iTunes library to begin with or if iTunes wasn’t configured to copy apps to the phone. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks, Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Monni, the coffee gal
RE: Experimenting with app thinning and copying apps from my iTunes library
This is good information. Thanks. What is the surest way to download all apps from the store to ones PC? Thanks. Keith From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Experimenting with app thinning and copying apps from my iTunes library Hi, Last night, I restored from an iTunes backup to my new iPhone 7. I'm pretty sure the apps were being copied from my computer rather than being downloaded, as the LCD section in iTunes said, "Copying," followed by the app name of the app being copied to my phone, and the process took less time than I think it would have if the apps were being downloaded. All the apps were on my computer, and I updated them all before backing up my old phone. Best, Anna Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote: Grant and mark, Thanks for this excellent post and for your original post about a year ago, mark. I also use iTunes to download app updates done on my iPhone to my computer shortly after the update. I've not had to do a restore since Ios 9 came out but I'm encouraged that Grant was successful in rolling back to an older version on his computer using Itunes. It sounds like those of us who have backups of these older versions will still be able to use them even with app thinning. I'll make sure to post my experience the first time I do a restore under this app thinning regime. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2016, at 11:22 AM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: Grant, Your conclusions are absolutely correct. Several times during a week when I update apps on my iOS devices, I open iTunes and update them on the computer, as well, so as to have a good backup version. I posted about this a year or so ago but I don't think it was well received as this method is somewhat counter intuitive to the classic way apps used to be handled. Regardless, an excellent post and I hope many benefit from it. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:06 PM To: Viphone List Subject: Experimenting with app thinning and copying apps from my iTunes library Hi all, I believe it’s still possible to sync apps to iDevices from your iTunes library as of iOS 10. I just successfully copied an older version of the Tile app from my Mac to my iPhone. Once the sync process began, the app showed up on my home screen and displayed “loading” just as it would if it were being downloaded from iCloud, but I’m pretty sure it was in fact copying from my local library and iTunes displayed status info to verify this. Now I’ve successfully rolled back the app to the older version. Based on this, I think we can continue to sync apps from iTunes keeping in mind the following caveats: 1. You can’t ever copy in the other direction (from an iDevice to iTunes) due to app thinning. However, from the Store tab in the iTunes preferences window you can configure your computers to download newly purchased apps automatically, thus giving you a local copy in iTunes that can be used later. 2. The auto-download feature won’t keep apps up to date. For example, if you have automatic downloads on and purchase BlindSquare for the first time, a local copy will download to your computers but future updates won’t automatically download—even if you update on your iDevice. To work around this, you can manually update from the apps section within iTunes. So, if you’ve kept your favourite reading app up to date from the apps section in iTunes and then a new version comes out that breaks accessibility, you should be able to roll back. 3. I’m not sure what the situation is for devices restored from iTunes backups and would love if someone could investigate during their next restore. I listened to Jonathan’s podcast and it certainly seemed like apps were being downloaded from iCloud so I’m not sure whether there’s a workaround there or what might have been happening. However, that would make sense if the required content wasn’t available in the iTunes library to begin with or if iTunes wasn’t configured to copy apps to the phone. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks, Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.
Re: Experimenting with app thinning and copying apps from my iTunes library
Hi all, I appreciate the replies. Looks like nothing has changed since iOS 9 and that we can continue to use iTunes to copy apps to our devices. Again, we’ll just need to make sure they’re kept up to date in two places now (update on your iDevice first, make sure the update is accessible, then update in iTunes). Provided we do that there should be no issue with restoring local copies of apps nor with rolling back to older versions of apps. Thanks! Grant > On Saturday September 17, 2016, at 11:15:52 AM, Woody Anna Dresner > wrote: > > Hi, > > Last night, I restored from an iTunes backup to my new iPhone 7. I'm pretty > sure the apps were being copied from my computer rather than being > downloaded, as the LCD section in iTunes said, "Copying," followed by the app > name of the app being copied to my phone, and the process took less time > than I think it would have if the apps were being downloaded. All the apps > were on my computer, and I updated them all before backing up my old phone. > > Best, > Anna > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 17, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Alan Lemly <mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Grant and mark, >> >> Thanks for this excellent post and for your original post about a year ago, >> mark. I also use iTunes to download app updates done on my iPhone to my >> computer shortly after the update. I've not had to do a restore since Ios 9 >> came out but I'm encouraged that Grant was successful in rolling back to an >> older version on his computer using Itunes. >> >> It sounds like those of us who have backups of these older versions will >> still be able to use them even with app thinning. >> >> I'll make sure to post my experience the first time I do a restore under >> this app thinning regime. >> >> Alan Lemly >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 11:22 AM, M. Taylor >> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>> >>> Grant, >>> >>> Your conclusions are absolutely correct. >>> >>> Several times during a week when I update apps on my iOS devices, I open >>> iTunes and update them on the computer, as well, so as to have a good >>> backup version. >>> >>> I posted about this a year or so ago but I don't think it was well received >>> as this method is somewhat counter intuitive to the classic way apps used >>> to be handled. >>> >>> Regardless, an excellent post and I hope many benefit from it. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On >>> Behalf Of Grant >>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:06 PM >>> To: Viphone List >>> Subject: Experimenting with app thinning and copying apps from my iTunes >>> library >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I believe it’s still possible to sync apps to iDevices from your iTunes >>> library as of iOS 10. I just successfully copied an older version of the >>> Tile app from my Mac to my iPhone. Once the sync process began, the app >>> showed up on my home screen and displayed “loading” just as it would if it >>> were being downloaded from iCloud, but I’m pretty sure it was in fact >>> copying from my local library and iTunes displayed status info to verify >>> this. Now I’ve successfully rolled back the app to the older version. >>> >>> Based on this, I think we can continue to sync apps from iTunes keeping in >>> mind the following caveats: >>> >>> 1. You can’t ever copy in the other direction (from an iDevice to iTunes) >>> due to app thinning. However, from the Store tab in the iTunes preferences >>> window you can configure your computers to download newly purchased apps >>> automatically, thus giving you a local copy in iTunes that can be used >>> later. >>> 2. The auto-download feature won’t keep apps up to date. For example, if >>> you have automatic downloads on and purchase BlindSquare for the first >>> time, a local copy will download to your computers but future updates won’t >>> automatically download—even if you update on your iDevice. To work around >>> this, you can manually update from the apps section within iTunes. So, if >>> you’ve kept your favourite reading app up to date from the apps section in >>> iTunes an
Re: Experimenting with app thinning and copying apps from my iTunes library
Hi, Last night, I restored from an iTunes backup to my new iPhone 7. I'm pretty sure the apps were being copied from my computer rather than being downloaded, as the LCD section in iTunes said, "Copying," followed by the app name of the app being copied to my phone, and the process took less time than I think it would have if the apps were being downloaded. All the apps were on my computer, and I updated them all before backing up my old phone. Best, Anna Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Alan Lemly wrote: > > Grant and mark, > > Thanks for this excellent post and for your original post about a year ago, > mark. I also use iTunes to download app updates done on my iPhone to my > computer shortly after the update. I've not had to do a restore since Ios 9 > came out but I'm encouraged that Grant was successful in rolling back to an > older version on his computer using Itunes. > > It sounds like those of us who have backups of these older versions will > still be able to use them even with app thinning. > > I'll make sure to post my experience the first time I do a restore under this > app thinning regime. > > Alan Lemly > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 17, 2016, at 11:22 AM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Grant, >> >> Your conclusions are absolutely correct. >> >> Several times during a week when I update apps on my iOS devices, I open >> iTunes and update them on the computer, as well, so as to have a good backup >> version. >> >> I posted about this a year or so ago but I don't think it was well received >> as this method is somewhat counter intuitive to the classic way apps used to >> be handled. >> >> Regardless, an excellent post and I hope many benefit from it. >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Grant >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:06 PM >> To: Viphone List >> Subject: Experimenting with app thinning and copying apps from my iTunes >> library >> >> Hi all, >> >> I believe it’s still possible to sync apps to iDevices from your iTunes >> library as of iOS 10. I just successfully copied an older version of the >> Tile app from my Mac to my iPhone. Once the sync process began, the app >> showed up on my home screen and displayed “loading” just as it would if it >> were being downloaded from iCloud, but I’m pretty sure it was in fact >> copying from my local library and iTunes displayed status info to verify >> this. Now I’ve successfully rolled back the app to the older version. >> >> Based on this, I think we can continue to sync apps from iTunes keeping in >> mind the following caveats: >> >> 1. You can’t ever copy in the other direction (from an iDevice to iTunes) >> due to app thinning. However, from the Store tab in the iTunes preferences >> window you can configure your computers to download newly purchased apps >> automatically, thus giving you a local copy in iTunes that can be used later. >> 2. The auto-download feature won’t keep apps up to date. For example, if you >> have automatic downloads on and purchase BlindSquare for the first time, a >> local copy will download to your computers but future updates won’t >> automatically download—even if you update on your iDevice. To work around >> this, you can manually update from the apps section within iTunes. So, if >> you’ve kept your favourite reading app up to date from the apps section in >> iTunes and then a new version comes out that breaks accessibility, you >> should be able to roll back. >> 3. I’m not sure what the situation is for devices restored from iTunes >> backups and would love if someone could investigate during their next >> restore. I listened to Jonathan’s podcast and it certainly seemed like apps >> were being downloaded from iCloud so I’m not sure whether there’s a >> workaround there or what might have been happening. However, that would make >> sense if the required content wasn’t available in the iTunes library to >> begin with or if iTunes wasn’t configured to copy apps to the phone. >> >> Would love to hear your thoughts. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Grant >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderator
Re: Experimenting with app thinning and copying apps from my iTunes library
Grant and mark, Thanks for this excellent post and for your original post about a year ago, mark. I also use iTunes to download app updates done on my iPhone to my computer shortly after the update. I've not had to do a restore since Ios 9 came out but I'm encouraged that Grant was successful in rolling back to an older version on his computer using Itunes. It sounds like those of us who have backups of these older versions will still be able to use them even with app thinning. I'll make sure to post my experience the first time I do a restore under this app thinning regime. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2016, at 11:22 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Grant, > > Your conclusions are absolutely correct. > > Several times during a week when I update apps on my iOS devices, I open > iTunes and update them on the computer, as well, so as to have a good backup > version. > > I posted about this a year or so ago but I don't think it was well received > as this method is somewhat counter intuitive to the classic way apps used to > be handled. > > Regardless, an excellent post and I hope many benefit from it. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Grant > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:06 PM > To: Viphone List > Subject: Experimenting with app thinning and copying apps from my iTunes > library > > Hi all, > > I believe it’s still possible to sync apps to iDevices from your iTunes > library as of iOS 10. I just successfully copied an older version of the Tile > app from my Mac to my iPhone. Once the sync process began, the app showed up > on my home screen and displayed “loading” just as it would if it were being > downloaded from iCloud, but I’m pretty sure it was in fact copying from my > local library and iTunes displayed status info to verify this. Now I’ve > successfully rolled back the app to the older version. > > Based on this, I think we can continue to sync apps from iTunes keeping in > mind the following caveats: > > 1. You can’t ever copy in the other direction (from an iDevice to iTunes) due > to app thinning. However, from the Store tab in the iTunes preferences window > you can configure your computers to download newly purchased apps > automatically, thus giving you a local copy in iTunes that can be used later. > 2. The auto-download feature won’t keep apps up to date. For example, if you > have automatic downloads on and purchase BlindSquare for the first time, a > local copy will download to your computers but future updates won’t > automatically download—even if you update on your iDevice. To work around > this, you can manually update from the apps section within iTunes. So, if > you’ve kept your favourite reading app up to date from the apps section in > iTunes and then a new version comes out that breaks accessibility, you should > be able to roll back. > 3. I’m not sure what the situation is for devices restored from iTunes > backups and would love if someone could investigate during their next > restore. I listened to Jonathan’s podcast and it certainly seemed like apps > were being downloaded from iCloud so I’m not sure whether there’s a > workaround there or what might have been happening. However, that would make > sense if the required content wasn’t available in the iTunes library to begin > with or if iTunes wasn’t configured to copy apps to the phone. > > Would love to hear your thoughts. > > Thanks, > > Grant > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or i
RE: Experimenting with app thinning and copying apps from my iTunes library
Grant, Your conclusions are absolutely correct. Several times during a week when I update apps on my iOS devices, I open iTunes and update them on the computer, as well, so as to have a good backup version. I posted about this a year or so ago but I don't think it was well received as this method is somewhat counter intuitive to the classic way apps used to be handled. Regardless, an excellent post and I hope many benefit from it. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:06 PM To: Viphone List Subject: Experimenting with app thinning and copying apps from my iTunes library Hi all, I believe it’s still possible to sync apps to iDevices from your iTunes library as of iOS 10. I just successfully copied an older version of the Tile app from my Mac to my iPhone. Once the sync process began, the app showed up on my home screen and displayed “loading” just as it would if it were being downloaded from iCloud, but I’m pretty sure it was in fact copying from my local library and iTunes displayed status info to verify this. Now I’ve successfully rolled back the app to the older version. Based on this, I think we can continue to sync apps from iTunes keeping in mind the following caveats: 1. You can’t ever copy in the other direction (from an iDevice to iTunes) due to app thinning. However, from the Store tab in the iTunes preferences window you can configure your computers to download newly purchased apps automatically, thus giving you a local copy in iTunes that can be used later. 2. The auto-download feature won’t keep apps up to date. For example, if you have automatic downloads on and purchase BlindSquare for the first time, a local copy will download to your computers but future updates won’t automatically download—even if you update on your iDevice. To work around this, you can manually update from the apps section within iTunes. So, if you’ve kept your favourite reading app up to date from the apps section in iTunes and then a new version comes out that breaks accessibility, you should be able to roll back. 3. I’m not sure what the situation is for devices restored from iTunes backups and would love if someone could investigate during their next restore. I listened to Jonathan’s podcast and it certainly seemed like apps were being downloaded from iCloud so I’m not sure whether there’s a workaround there or what might have been happening. However, that would make sense if the required content wasn’t available in the iTunes library to begin with or if iTunes wasn’t configured to copy apps to the phone. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks, Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Experimenting with app thinning and copying apps from my iTunes library
Hi all, I believe it’s still possible to sync apps to iDevices from your iTunes library as of iOS 10. I just successfully copied an older version of the Tile app from my Mac to my iPhone. Once the sync process began, the app showed up on my home screen and displayed “loading” just as it would if it were being downloaded from iCloud, but I’m pretty sure it was in fact copying from my local library and iTunes displayed status info to verify this. Now I’ve successfully rolled back the app to the older version. Based on this, I think we can continue to sync apps from iTunes keeping in mind the following caveats: 1. You can’t ever copy in the other direction (from an iDevice to iTunes) due to app thinning. However, from the Store tab in the iTunes preferences window you can configure your computers to download newly purchased apps automatically, thus giving you a local copy in iTunes that can be used later. 2. The auto-download feature won’t keep apps up to date. For example, if you have automatic downloads on and purchase BlindSquare for the first time, a local copy will download to your computers but future updates won’t automatically download—even if you update on your iDevice. To work around this, you can manually update from the apps section within iTunes. So, if you’ve kept your favourite reading app up to date from the apps section in iTunes and then a new version comes out that breaks accessibility, you should be able to roll back. 3. I’m not sure what the situation is for devices restored from iTunes backups and would love if someone could investigate during their next restore. I listened to Jonathan’s podcast and it certainly seemed like apps were being downloaded from iCloud so I’m not sure whether there’s a workaround there or what might have been happening. However, that would make sense if the required content wasn’t available in the iTunes library to begin with or if iTunes wasn’t configured to copy apps to the phone. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks, Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
