Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Feliciano Godoy]

I don’t know the technicalities, but based on my research, maybe the arc input 
on the television does the conversion where it strips the video from the TV. I 
just started learning on this from this thread and research.

Feliciano
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On Dec 2, 2022, at 3:38 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


If ARC only wants audio then why does the Sonos app keeps telling me I have to 
plug my Apple TV into an ARC port on my TV?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 11:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

Yes,
That’s why the apple
Tv doesn’t work. ARC only wants audio hence audio return channel. That’s why I 
think the converter I recommended will work.
Feliciano
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On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I wonder if the fact that both the TV video and audio is coming through the 
HDMI cable; if having the video signal being sent to the Sonos Beam is causing 
some kind of conflict so instead of just passing through the audio, nothing 
gets through?
This is a working theory.

Has anyone called Sonos or Apple to inquire about this?

HTH,



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 9:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

That is the interesting part, you say the Beam has an ARC input and that is 
exactly what you are supposed to connect your Apple TV to on  your TV.
I just posted a message where I explained the result I had when I hooked up my 
older Apple TV to my Sonos Amp and it is specifically requesting for the Apple 
TV to be connected to the ARC port on the TV.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with 
Sonos beam directly since beam has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You 
can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it.
avedio links 4K@60Hz HDMI 2.0b Audio Extractor with 7.1CH Atoms, HDMI to HDMI + 
HDMI 7.1CH + Optical Toslink SPDIF + 3.5mm Audio, HDMI Audio Embedder Converter 
Adapter for PS5, Xbox, Fire Stick https://a.co/d/52Q5ULw Hi,
I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with 
Sonos beam directly since Been has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You 
can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it
Feliciano
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On Dec 1, 2022, at 6:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Hi Feliciano,

That would work fine if you had a speaker which accepts either optical or 
analogue inputs, but Gary stated he has a Sonos Beam soundbar which has only a 
single input and it is also HDMI.
I didn't check, but maybe there is an audio extractor which accepts HDMI input 
and also has an HDMI output and that said HDMI output is maybe an older HDMI 
standard which the soundbar recognizes. I am actually surprised hooking the 
Apple TV 4K directly up to the Sonos Beam does not work.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results


Gary,

In the past I used an HDMI to audio extractor by this company Cablematters.

RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If ARC only wants audio then why does the Sonos app keeps telling me I have to 
plug my Apple TV into an ARC port on my TV?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 11:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

Yes,
That’s why the apple
Tv doesn’t work. ARC only wants audio hence audio return channel. That’s why I 
think the converter I recommended will work.
Feliciano
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On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I wonder if the fact that both the TV video and audio is coming through the 
HDMI cable; if having the video signal being sent to the Sonos Beam is causing 
some kind of conflict so instead of just passing through the audio, nothing 
gets through?
This is a working theory.

Has anyone called Sonos or Apple to inquire about this?

HTH,



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 9:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

That is the interesting part, you say the Beam has an ARC input and that is 
exactly what you are supposed to connect your Apple TV to on  your TV.
I just posted a message where I explained the result I had when I hooked up my 
older Apple TV to my Sonos Amp and it is specifically requesting for the Apple 
TV to be connected to the ARC port on the TV.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with 
Sonos beam directly since beam has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You 
can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it.
avedio links 4K@60Hz HDMI 2.0b Audio Extractor with 7.1CH Atoms, HDMI to HDMI + 
HDMI 7.1CH + Optical Toslink SPDIF + 3.5mm Audio, HDMI Audio Embedder Converter 
Adapter for PS5, Xbox, Fire Stick https://a.co/d/52Q5ULw Hi,
I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with 
Sonos beam directly since Been has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You 
can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it
Feliciano
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On Dec 1, 2022, at 6:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Hi Feliciano,

That would work fine if you had a speaker which accepts either optical or 
analogue inputs, but Gary stated he has a Sonos Beam soundbar which has only a 
single input and it is also HDMI.
I didn't check, but maybe there is an audio extractor which accepts HDMI input 
and also has an HDMI output and that said HDMI output is maybe an older HDMI 
standard which the soundbar recognizes. I am actually surprised hooking the 
Apple TV 4K directly up to the Sonos Beam does not work.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results


Gary,

In the past I used an HDMI to audio extractor by this company Cablematters. 
This device will allow you to utilize your apple tv headless (without a tv)



I bought it on Amazon, it was listed as Cablematters 4k HDMI to audio extractor 
at the time. This particular unit has HDMI input where you would connect the 
Apple TV and has optical and 3.5MM  output which can be connected to TV/ 
headphones/ Speakers for audio only.



Amazon basics also has a version, you just have to make sure it has the outputs 
you need.

Feliciano



>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 

Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Feliciano Godoy]

Yes,
That’s why the apple

Tv doesn’t work. ARC only wants audio hence audio return channel. That’s why I 
think the converter I recommended will work.
Feliciano
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On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:


I wonder if the fact that both the TV video and audio is coming through the 
HDMI cable; if having the video signal being sent to the Sonos Beam is causing 
some kind of conflict so instead of just passing through the audio, nothing 
gets through?
This is a working theory.

Has anyone called Sonos or Apple to inquire about this?

HTH,



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 9:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

That is the interesting part, you say the Beam has an ARC input and that is 
exactly what you are supposed to connect your Apple TV to on  your TV.
I just posted a message where I explained the result I had when I hooked up my 
older Apple TV to my Sonos Amp and it is specifically requesting for the Apple 
TV to be connected to the ARC port on the TV.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with 
Sonos beam directly since beam has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You 
can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it.
avedio links 4K@60Hz HDMI 2.0b Audio Extractor with 7.1CH Atoms, HDMI to HDMI + 
HDMI 7.1CH + Optical Toslink SPDIF + 3.5mm Audio, HDMI Audio Embedder Converter 
Adapter for PS5, Xbox, Fire Stick https://a.co/d/52Q5ULw Hi,
I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with 
Sonos beam directly since Been has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You 
can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it
Feliciano
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On Dec 1, 2022, at 6:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Hi Feliciano,

That would work fine if you had a speaker which accepts either optical or 
analogue inputs, but Gary stated he has a Sonos Beam soundbar which has only a 
single input and it is also HDMI.
I didn't check, but maybe there is an audio extractor which accepts HDMI input 
and also has an HDMI output and that said HDMI output is maybe an older HDMI 
standard which the soundbar recognizes. I am actually surprised hooking the 
Apple TV 4K directly up to the Sonos Beam does not work.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results


Gary,

In the past I used an HDMI to audio extractor by this company Cablematters. 
This device will allow you to utilize your apple tv headless (without a tv)



I bought it on Amazon, it was listed as Cablematters 4k HDMI to audio extractor 
at the time. This particular unit has HDMI input where you would connect the 
Apple TV and has optical and 3.5MM  output which can be connected to TV/ 
headphones/ Speakers for audio only.



Amazon basics also has a version, you just have to make sure it has the outputs 
you need.

Feliciano



>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Hello all,

>>

>> Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
>> what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version 
>> which arrived last week.

>>

>> I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and 
>> the speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% 
>> faster than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a 
>> sound only system.

>

RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Richard Turner]

I wonder if the fact that both the TV video and audio is coming through the 
HDMI cable; if having the video signal being sent to the Sonos Beam is causing 
some kind of conflict so instead of just passing through the audio, nothing 
gets through?

This is a working theory.

 

Has anyone called Sonos or Apple to inquire about this?

 

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 9:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

 

That is the interesting part, you say the Beam has an ARC input and that is 
exactly what you are supposed to connect your Apple TV to on  your TV.

I just posted a message where I explained the result I had when I hooked up my 
older Apple TV to my Sonos Amp and it is specifically requesting for the Apple 
TV to be connected to the ARC port on the TV. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

 

I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with 
Sonos beam directly since beam has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You 
can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it.

avedio links 4K@60Hz HDMI 2.0b Audio Extractor with 7.1CH Atoms, HDMI to HDMI + 
HDMI 7.1CH + Optical Toslink SPDIF + 3.5mm Audio, HDMI Audio Embedder Converter 
Adapter for PS5, Xbox, Fire Stick https://a.co/d/52Q5ULw Hi, 

I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with 
Sonos beam directly since Been has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You 
can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it

Feliciano 

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do. -Steve Jobs 

 

On Dec 1, 2022, at 6:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Hi Feliciano,

 

That would work fine if you had a speaker which accepts either optical or 
analogue inputs, but Gary stated he has a Sonos Beam soundbar which has only a 
single input and it is also HDMI.

I didn't check, but maybe there is an audio extractor which accepts HDMI input 
and also has an HDMI output and that said HDMI output is maybe an older HDMI 
standard which the soundbar recognizes. I am actually surprised hooking the 
Apple TV 4K directly up to the Sonos Beam does not work.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

 

Gary,

In the past I used an HDMI to audio extractor by this company Cablematters. 
This device will allow you to utilize your apple tv headless (without a tv) 

 

I bought it on Amazon, it was listed as Cablematters 4k HDMI to audio extractor 
at the time. This particular unit has HDMI input where you would connect the 
Apple TV and has optical and 3.5MM  output which can be connected to TV/ 
headphones/ Speakers for audio only.

 

Amazon basics also has a version, you just have to make sure it has the outputs 
you need.

Feliciano 

 

>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

>> 

>> Hello all,

>> 

>> Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
>> what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version 
>> which arrived last week.

>> 

>> I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and 
>> the speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% 
>> faster than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a 
>> sound only system.

>> 

>> I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
>> Friday and will report back on what happens.

>> 

>> 

>> Gary

>> 

>> 

>> On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

>>> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
>>> only

RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is the interesting part, you say the Beam has an ARC input and that is 
exactly what you are supposed to connect your Apple TV to on  your TV.
I just posted a message where I explained the result I had when I hooked up my 
older Apple TV to my Sonos Amp and it is specifically requesting for the Apple 
TV to be connected to the ARC port on the TV.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with 
Sonos beam directly since beam has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You 
can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it.
avedio links 4K@60Hz HDMI 2.0b Audio Extractor with 7.1CH Atoms, HDMI to HDMI + 
HDMI 7.1CH + Optical Toslink SPDIF + 3.5mm Audio, HDMI Audio Embedder Converter 
Adapter for PS5, Xbox, Fire Stick https://a.co/d/52Q5ULw Hi,
I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with 
Sonos beam directly since Been has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You 
can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it
Feliciano
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On Dec 1, 2022, at 6:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Hi Feliciano,

That would work fine if you had a speaker which accepts either optical or 
analogue inputs, but Gary stated he has a Sonos Beam soundbar which has only a 
single input and it is also HDMI.
I didn't check, but maybe there is an audio extractor which accepts HDMI input 
and also has an HDMI output and that said HDMI output is maybe an older HDMI 
standard which the soundbar recognizes. I am actually surprised hooking the 
Apple TV 4K directly up to the Sonos Beam does not work.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results


Gary,

In the past I used an HDMI to audio extractor by this company Cablematters. 
This device will allow you to utilize your apple tv headless (without a tv)



I bought it on Amazon, it was listed as Cablematters 4k HDMI to audio extractor 
at the time. This particular unit has HDMI input where you would connect the 
Apple TV and has optical and 3.5MM  output which can be connected to TV/ 
headphones/ Speakers for audio only.



Amazon basics also has a version, you just have to make sure it has the outputs 
you need.

Feliciano



>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Hello all,

>>

>> Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
>> what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version 
>> which arrived last week.

>>

>> I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and 
>> the speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% 
>> faster than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a 
>> sound only system.

>>

>> I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
>> Friday and will report back on what happens.

>>

>>

>> Gary

>>

>>

>> On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

>>> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
>>> only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the 
>>> audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, 
>>> but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these 
>>> gadgets I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, 
>>> hook it up to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has 
>>> and see if it works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund 
>>> or look into whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it 
>>> work.

>>>

>>> -Original Message-

>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf

>>> Of Matthew Bullis

>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM

>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<ma

RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Gary,



I received the new Apple TV 4K today and while I didn't try to connect it yet 
directly to my Arc, I did try to connect my old Apple TV HD (4th generation) to 
my Sonos Amp. Here is what I got when I opened the Sonos app, selected Bedroom 
(where my Sonos Amp is located) and then I selected "TV":



We detected an issue with your HDMI connection. We'll help you fix it.

Fix it button

Close button

So I double tapped on "Fix It" and the following screen came up:

Let's get your Sonos Amp connected to your TV

Continue button

I tapped on Continue and the next screen came up:

Turn on your TV, then plug the HDMI cable into the ARC port. Then I had the 
following 3 options:

Connected to ARC button

Can't find ARC button

Close button

So I tapped on "Connected to ARC" and after it said "connecting" for a few 
seconds, the next message came up:

HDMI ARC not detected. Make sure the HDMI cable is connected to the ARC port 
and your TV is on.

Try Again button

Close button

No ARC port? You need to use an optical audio adapter.



So apparently connecting an Apple TV directly to a Sonos device via HDMI simply 
won't work. One could argue that this is silly, but then again let's remember 
how extremely specialized this is to the visually impaired/blind customer base 
since I just can't see any sighted person at all wanting to do this. If they 
did and it actually worked they would have to use Voiceover in order to 
navigate their Apple TV and I really can't imagine a sighted person wanting to 
do this. In any case, all the music services are pretty much available directly 
through the Sonos app and when it comes to "listening" to TV audio I don't have 
to point out how pointless that would seem to sighted people.



If you did have or buy a Sonos Amp then you would have an optical audio input 
available and I assume if you had an "optical audio converter" as the Sonos app 
suggests, you would probably be successful in getting audio from the Apple TV 
into your Sonos system. I don't want it bad enough to go out there and buy an 
optical audio adapter to try it, but in any case, since the Sonos Beam only has 
an HDMI input that really wouldn't be an option.
I may at some point unplug the new Apple TV from my LG OLED TV and plug it 
directly into the Arc to see if I get the same message. But I am pretty sure I 
would and I don't have a lot of time until at least the beginning of the new 
year so it won't be any time soon. I guess if you really wanted to listen to 
Netflix, Disney, Prime Video or other TV channels on your Sonos Beam then you 
could always splay the content on your iPhone and then send it to the Beam via 
Airplay.





Best regards and good luck,

Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results



Well I  picked up a  SONOS Beam 2  last week and connected it to my APPLE TV 4K 
latest version.



I  set up the Beam and plugged it into the EARC port on my LG TV and it worked 
ok. I switched everything off and re-plugged the Beam into  the HDMI port on 
the APPLE TV using the SONOS cable which they confirmed supported EARC etc.



The results - nothing! I  couldn't get a sound out of the APPLE TV, needless to 
say as soon as I  re-plugged it into the back of my LG  TV it came alive with 
Voiceover etc so the APPLE TV was working fine.



I  have been doing some GOOGling around and found an APPLE support article 
which seemed to suggest that you could plug the APPLE TV into a sound bar to 
get DOLBY Audio sound.



When I had the APPLE TV plugged into the LG I had a look around the settings 
under video/sound but couldn't find any reference to immersive audio or DOLBY 
Audio.  The article suggested that if this was the case your surround equipment 
settings needed checking.  Presumably in this case this means the BEAM.



Any suggestions?





Thanks





Gary



On 20/11/2022 22:19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

> Yes, it would work because that is what receivers are made for just as HDMI 
> inputs on TV's are made for this.

> Anyways, I have a feeling with the secondor third generation Apple TV 4K you 
> will be able to plug it straight into a Sonos Beam or Arc, but hopefully Gary 
> will report back once he has picked up his Beam and tried it.

>

>

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of

> Kelly Ford

> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 1:43 PM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

>

> Hi,

>

> For what it is worth, I do have my Apple TV

Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

['Gary Robinson' via VIPhone]

Hi Feliciano,

I  already know that the APPLE TV does not need to be connected to a  TV 
as such since it works perfectly well plugged into my Meridian HDMI 
switch which fronts my surround processor regardless of whether the TV 
is on or off. I  think it just needs to be able to "see" a  device 
capable of handling a video signal at the other end.


I've ordered one  of the HDMI audio extractors and will give it a try 
with my NAIM  MUSO which supports analogue and optical digital inputs.


Thanks for your efforts as you say APPLE don't necessarily know all the 
answers especially when it comes to connecting to third party equipment.


I'll let you know when I get the converter this weekend what happens.


Gary

  when 01/12/2022 19:53, Feliciano Godoy wrote:


Hi,
Just because Apple does not  have  a solution does not mean that there 
isn’t one. People have achieved many solutions with hex like 
converters. You can try the one that I mentioned in the email prior to 
this.


Feliciano
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On Dec 1, 2022, at 10:49 AM, Joney Owen  wrote:


Hi all:
I spoke with people at Apple Accessibility yesterday. She was 
extremely kind. We went through all of the information they have, and 
everything, absolutely everything, is based on having the TV in line. 
Some of them have a TV which can sleep and just streams through it 
and others set ups Have the TV on picture now. They have no settings 
that allow you to go without the TV. :-( That doesn’t mean I won’t 
keep looking, but so far, everything requires a TV. :-(


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2022, at 12:04 PM, Feliciano Godoy 
 wrote:


 I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not 
supported with Sonos beam directly since beam has arc input. Maybe 
this device will work. You can always try it, and if it doesn’t work 
out, return it.
avedio links 4K@60Hz HDMI 2.0b Audio Extractor with 7.1CH Atoms, 
HDMI to HDMI + HDMI 7.1CH + Optical Toslink SPDIF + 3.5mm Audio, 
HDMI Audio Embedder Converter Adapter for PS5, Xbox, Fire Stick 
https://a.co/d/52Q5ULw Hi,
I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not 
supported with Sonos beam directly since Been has arc input. Maybe 
this device will work. You can always try it, and if it doesn’t work 
out, return it


Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
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those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are 
the ones who do. -Steve Jobs



On Dec 1, 2022, at 6:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:



Hi Feliciano,

That would work fine if you had a speaker which accepts either 
optical or analogue inputs, but Gary stated he has a Sonos Beam 
soundbar which has only a single input and it is also HDMI.


I didn't check, but maybe there is an audio extractor which accepts 
HDMI input and also has an HDMI output and that said HDMI output is 
maybe an older HDMI standard which the soundbar recognizes. I am 
actually surprised hooking the Apple TV 4K directly up to the Sonos 
Beam does not work.


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On 
Behalf Of *Feliciano Godoy

*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2022 11:52 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

Gary,

In the past I used an HDMI to audio extractor by this company 
Cablematters. This device will allow you to utilize your apple tv 
headless (without a tv)


I bought it on Amazon, it was listed as Cablematters 4k HDMI to 
audio extractor at the time. This particular unit has HDMI input 
where you would connect the Apple TV and has optical and 3.5MM 
output which can be connected to TV/ headphones/ Speakers for audio 
only.


Amazon basics also has a version, you just have to make sure it has 
the outputs you need.


Feliciano

>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


>> 


>> Hello all,

>> 

>> Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with 
its some what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very 
latest 4K version which arrived last week.


>> 

>> I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out 
remote and the speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in 
this unit is some 30% faster than the older 4K unit, that I decided 
to see if I could create a sound only system.


>> 

>> I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals 
this Black Friday and will report back on what happens.


>> 

>> 


>> Gary

>> 

>> 


>> On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

>>> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar 
which have only HDMI inpu

Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Feliciano Godoy]

Hi,
Just because Apple does not  have  a solution does not mean that there isn’t 
one. People have achieved many solutions with hex like converters. You can try 
the one that I mentioned in the email prior to this.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
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do. -Steve Jobs

On Dec 1, 2022, at 10:49 AM, Joney Owen  wrote:


Hi all:
I spoke with people at Apple Accessibility yesterday. She was extremely kind. 
We went through all of the information they have, and everything, absolutely 
everything, is based on having the TV in line. Some of them have a TV which can 
sleep and just streams through it and others set ups Have the TV on picture 
now. They have no settings that allow you to go without the TV. :-( That 
doesn’t mean I won’t keep looking, but so far, everything requires a TV. :-(

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2022, at 12:04 PM, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:

 I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with 
Sonos beam directly since beam has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You 
can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it.
avedio links 4K@60Hz HDMI 2.0b Audio Extractor with 7.1CH Atoms, HDMI to HDMI + 
HDMI 7.1CH + Optical Toslink SPDIF + 3.5mm Audio, HDMI Audio Embedder Converter 
Adapter for PS5, Xbox, Fire Stick https://a.co/d/52Q5ULw Hi,
I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with 
Sonos beam directly since Been has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You 
can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
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those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who 
do. -Steve Jobs

On Dec 1, 2022, at 6:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Hi Feliciano,

That would work fine if you had a speaker which accepts either optical or 
analogue inputs, but Gary stated he has a Sonos Beam soundbar which has only a 
single input and it is also HDMI.
I didn't check, but maybe there is an audio extractor which accepts HDMI input 
and also has an HDMI output and that said HDMI output is maybe an older HDMI 
standard which the soundbar recognizes. I am actually surprised hooking the 
Apple TV 4K directly up to the Sonos Beam does not work.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results


Gary,

In the past I used an HDMI to audio extractor by this company Cablematters. 
This device will allow you to utilize your apple tv headless (without a tv)



I bought it on Amazon, it was listed as Cablematters 4k HDMI to audio extractor 
at the time. This particular unit has HDMI input where you would connect the 
Apple TV and has optical and 3.5MM  output which can be connected to TV/ 
headphones/ Speakers for audio only.



Amazon basics also has a version, you just have to make sure it has the outputs 
you need.

Feliciano



>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Hello all,

>>

>> Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
>> what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version 
>> which arrived last week.

>>

>> I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and 
>> the speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% 
>> faster than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a 
>> sound only system.

>>

>> I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
>> Friday and will report back on what happens.

>>

>>

>> Gary

>>

>>

>> On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

>>> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
>>> only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the 
>>> audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, 
>>> but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these 
>>> gadgets I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, 
>>> hook it up to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has 
>>> and see if it works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund 
>>> or look into whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it 
>>> work.

>>>

>>> -Original Message-

>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com

Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Joney Owen]

Hi all:I spoke with people at Apple Accessibility yesterday. She was extremely kind. We went through all of the information they have, and everything, absolutely everything, is based on having the TV in line. Some of them have a TV which can sleep and just streams through it and others set ups Have the TV on picture now. They have no settings that allow you to go without the TV. :-( That doesn’t mean I won’t keep looking, but so far, everything requires a TV. :-(Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 1, 2022, at 12:04 PM, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:




I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with Sonos beam directly since beam has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it.
avedio links 4K@60Hz HDMI 2.0b Audio Extractor with 7.1CH Atoms, HDMI to HDMI + HDMI 7.1CH + Optical Toslink SPDIF + 3.5mm Audio, HDMI Audio Embedder Converter Adapter for PS5, Xbox, Fire Stick https://a.co/d/52Q5ULw Hi,
I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with Sonos beam directly since Been has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates: 
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On Dec 1, 2022, at 6:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:






 

Hi Feliciano,
 
That would work fine if you had a speaker which accepts either optical or analogue inputs, but Gary stated he has a Sonos Beam soundbar which has only a single input and it is also HDMI.
I didn't check, but maybe there is an audio extractor which accepts HDMI input and also has an HDMI output and that said HDMI output is maybe an older HDMI standard which the soundbar
 recognizes. I am actually surprised hooking the Apple TV 4K directly up to the Sonos Beam does not work.
 
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results


 
Gary,
In the past I used an HDMI to audio extractor by this company Cablematters. This device will allow you to utilize your apple tv headless (without a tv)

 
I bought it on Amazon, it was listed as Cablematters 4k HDMI to audio extractor at the time. This particular unit has HDMI input where you would connect the Apple TV and has optical and 3.5MM  output which can be connected
 to TV/ headphones/ Speakers for audio only.
 
Amazon basics also has a version, you just have to make sure it has the outputs you need.
Feliciano 
 
>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version which arrived last week.
>> 
>> I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and the speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% faster than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could
 create a sound only system.
>> 
>> I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black Friday and will report back on what happens.
>> 
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> 
>> On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is
 possible, but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these gadgets I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, hook it up to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has and see if it works. If not
 he can either return the Apple TV for a refund or look into whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it work.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 
viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf

>>> Of Matthew Bullis
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM
>>> To: 
viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>>> 
>>> Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You connect an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your audio out through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs
 or gaming consoles don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have them for some external speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:
>>> ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +... 

>>> 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=p

Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Feliciano Godoy]

I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with 
Sonos beam directly since beam has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You 
can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it.
avedio links 4K@60Hz HDMI 2.0b Audio Extractor with 7.1CH Atoms, HDMI to HDMI + 
HDMI 7.1CH + Optical Toslink SPDIF + 3.5mm Audio, HDMI Audio Embedder Converter 
Adapter for PS5, Xbox, Fire Stick https://a.co/d/52Q5ULw Hi,
I did a bit of research on this. Looks like Apple TV is not supported with 
Sonos beam directly since Been has arc input. Maybe this device will work. You 
can always try it, and if it doesn’t work out, return it

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who 
do. -Steve Jobs

On Dec 1, 2022, at 6:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Hi Feliciano,

That would work fine if you had a speaker which accepts either optical or 
analogue inputs, but Gary stated he has a Sonos Beam soundbar which has only a 
single input and it is also HDMI.
I didn't check, but maybe there is an audio extractor which accepts HDMI input 
and also has an HDMI output and that said HDMI output is maybe an older HDMI 
standard which the soundbar recognizes. I am actually surprised hooking the 
Apple TV 4K directly up to the Sonos Beam does not work.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results


Gary,

In the past I used an HDMI to audio extractor by this company Cablematters. 
This device will allow you to utilize your apple tv headless (without a tv)



I bought it on Amazon, it was listed as Cablematters 4k HDMI to audio extractor 
at the time. This particular unit has HDMI input where you would connect the 
Apple TV and has optical and 3.5MM  output which can be connected to TV/ 
headphones/ Speakers for audio only.



Amazon basics also has a version, you just have to make sure it has the outputs 
you need.

Feliciano



>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Hello all,

>>

>> Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
>> what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version 
>> which arrived last week.

>>

>> I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and 
>> the speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% 
>> faster than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a 
>> sound only system.

>>

>> I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
>> Friday and will report back on what happens.

>>

>>

>> Gary

>>

>>

>> On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

>>> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
>>> only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the 
>>> audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, 
>>> but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these 
>>> gadgets I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, 
>>> hook it up to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has 
>>> and see if it works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund 
>>> or look into whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it 
>>> work.

>>>

>>> -Original Message-

>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf

>>> Of Matthew Bullis

>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM

>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

>>> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

>>>

>>> Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You 
>>> connect an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your 
>>> audio out through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or 
>>> gaming consoles don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have 
>>> them for some external speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:

>>> ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +...

>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

>>> Matthew

>>>

>>>

>>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joney Owen 
>>> mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com>> wrote:

&

RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Feliciano,

That would work fine if you had a speaker which accepts either optical or 
analogue inputs, but Gary stated he has a Sonos Beam soundbar which has only a 
single input and it is also HDMI.
I didn't check, but maybe there is an audio extractor which accepts HDMI input 
and also has an HDMI output and that said HDMI output is maybe an older HDMI 
standard which the soundbar recognizes. I am actually surprised hooking the 
Apple TV 4K directly up to the Sonos Beam does not work.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results


Gary,

In the past I used an HDMI to audio extractor by this company Cablematters. 
This device will allow you to utilize your apple tv headless (without a tv)



I bought it on Amazon, it was listed as Cablematters 4k HDMI to audio extractor 
at the time. This particular unit has HDMI input where you would connect the 
Apple TV and has optical and 3.5MM  output which can be connected to TV/ 
headphones/ Speakers for audio only.



Amazon basics also has a version, you just have to make sure it has the outputs 
you need.

Feliciano



>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Hello all,

>>

>> Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
>> what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version 
>> which arrived last week.

>>

>> I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and 
>> the speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% 
>> faster than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a 
>> sound only system.

>>

>> I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
>> Friday and will report back on what happens.

>>

>>

>> Gary

>>

>>

>> On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

>>> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
>>> only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the 
>>> audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, 
>>> but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these 
>>> gadgets I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, 
>>> hook it up to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has 
>>> and see if it works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund 
>>> or look into whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it 
>>> work.

>>>

>>> -Original Message-

>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf

>>> Of Matthew Bullis

>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM

>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

>>> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

>>>

>>> Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You 
>>> connect an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your 
>>> audio out through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or 
>>> gaming consoles don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have 
>>> them for some external speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:

>>> ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +...

>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

>>> Matthew

>>>

>>>

>>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joney Owen 
>>> mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>> I asked this question when I was in a class for Apple TV a year or so ago. 
>>> We scuffed at a bit, because they couldn’t understand why the TV was not 
>>> wanted. However, I don’t believe it works without the TV. If you find out 
>>> differently, please let me know.

>>>

>>> Sent from my iPhone

>>>

>>>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Richard Turner 
>>>> mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 at 877-204-3930

>>>>

>>>> I suspect the answer is that the Apple TV won't care, but short of just 
>>>> trying it, the good folks at Apple could answer your question quickly.

>>>>

>>>> I don't have a physical Apple TV, I just use the app on my iPhone or our 
>>>> Smart TV in our living room...

RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Feliciano Godoy]

Gary,

In the past I used an HDMI to audio extractor by this company Cablematters. 
This device will allow you to utilize your apple tv headless (without a tv)



I bought it on Amazon, it was listed as Cablematters 4k HDMI to audio extractor 
at the time. This particular unit has HDMI input where you would connect the 
Apple TV and has optical and 3.5MM  output which can be connected to TV/ 
headphones/ Speakers for audio only.



Amazon basics also has a version, you just have to make sure it has the outputs 
you need.

Feliciano



>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Hello all,

>>

>> Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
>> what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version 
>> which arrived last week.

>>

>> I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and 
>> the speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% 
>> faster than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a 
>> sound only system.

>>

>> I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
>> Friday and will report back on what happens.

>>

>>

>> Gary

>>

>>

>> On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

>>> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
>>> only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the 
>>> audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, 
>>> but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these 
>>> gadgets I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, 
>>> hook it up to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has 
>>> and see if it works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund 
>>> or look into whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it 
>>> work.

>>>

>>> -Original Message-

>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf

>>> Of Matthew Bullis

>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM

>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com

>>> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

>>>

>>> Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You 
>>> connect an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your 
>>> audio out through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or 
>>> gaming consoles don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have 
>>> them for some external speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:

>>> ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +...

>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

>>> Matthew

>>>

>>>

>>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joney Owen 
>>> mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>> I asked this question when I was in a class for Apple TV a year or so ago. 
>>> We scuffed at a bit, because they couldn’t understand why the TV was not 
>>> wanted. However, I don’t believe it works without the TV. If you find out 
>>> differently, please let me know.

>>>

>>> Sent from my iPhone

>>>

 On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Richard Turner 
 mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:



 Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 at 877-204-3930



 I suspect the answer is that the Apple TV won't care, but short of just 
 trying it, the good folks at Apple could answer your question quickly.



 I don't have a physical Apple TV, I just use the app on my iPhone or our 
 Smart TV in our living room...







 Richard, USA.

 “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch

 with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in

 the Universe



 My web site: https://www.turner42.com



 -Original Message-

 From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

 Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:58 AM

 To: viphone@googlegroups.com

 Subject: Apple TV without a physical screen?



 Hi all,



 Does anyone know if the Apple TV will work if it is plugged directly into 
 a  soundbar such as one of the Sonos devices rather than into a  tv and 
 thence to a soundbar?



 I am trying to create a TV sound receiver for a small bedroom and don't 
 want a  full sized TV screen as I can't see it anyway.



 I am suspicious that the Apple TV box will complain because it can't see a 
 display device..



 Thanks



 Gary



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RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Both Beam and Arc have only an HDMI input, the older Sonos Playbar and I 
believe the Playbase connected to the TV with an optical cable and I believe 
the small Sonos Ray soundbar also has an optical input.

I should get my new Apple TV 4K this week so I'll also play around with it 
hooking it up directly to our Arc, but in our case it doesn't really matter 
since I practically never watch or listen to the TV unless it's with my sighted 
wife and then of course the TV is on as well.

If a direct connection between the Apple TV and the Sonos Beam really doesn't 
work without a TV in between then the only option might be to have some sort of 
splitter which extracts the audio but then you still have to have something you 
can direct this audio stream to and unless you have another splitter on the 
Beam which allows you to hook up an optical cable from the first splitter then 
you may have to have a Sonos Port. The Port has rCA analogue inputs and outputs 
as well as a Coax digital input and output, but as long as you could get the 
audio into the Port, you could then group it with your Beam and play the audio 
from the Apple TV that way.

But it would involve a significant amount of gadgets and fiddling around and to 
me it would not be worth it.

Alternatively one could try to find out if a Sonos Amp which has an HDMI input 
could receive audio from an Apple TV if it were directly connected. Then Gary 
could put a Sonos Amp with either bookshelf speakers or in-wall or in-ceiling 
speakers into the bedroom.

I can also test this since we have a Sonos Amp and in-wall speakers in our 
bedroom so before I put my new Apple TV in its final resting place inside my 
entertainment cabinet, I could certainly hook it up to the Sonos Amp and see 
what happens. Fort hat matter, I could try this also with our older first 
generation Apple TV HD, I believe they called it the fourth generation Apple TV 
and it came out in 2015 after the Apple TV third Gen was discontinued. I 
thought we already had the first generation Apple TV 4K, but when I checked the 
model number which is A1625 and I looked it up I realized we bought it in 2015 
and it's just the apple TV HD.

I now ordered the latest Apple TV 4K with 128 Gb of RAM simply because the 
price difference to the 64 Gb is not a lot and only the 128 Gb has support for 
thread networking which is the new standard necessary for Matter support. For 
those who don't know what Matter is they can read the below article from 
9to5MAAC:



Apple drops smart-home feature from base Apple 
TV<https://9to5mac.com/2022/10/18/apple-tv-4k-thread-support/>



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results



When we first got our Apple TV 3rd generation, I had to get an optical audio 
converter to get the sound to go through our then stereo receiver and not the 
TV speaker only.  This was before we got Sonos products and a Smart TV and 
stopped using the physical Apple TV.



I wonder if you need something like that to direct the audio through the 
soundbar?



Though, I don't know what inputs the Beam2 has, if it is just the HDMI port, 
then that idea may not work.



Best of luck,







Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe



My web site: https://www.turner42.com



-Original Message-

From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:28 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results



Well I  picked up a  SONOS Beam 2  last week and connected it to my APPLE TV 4K 
latest version.



I  set up the Beam and plugged it into the EARC port on my LG TV and it worked 
ok. I switched everything off and re-plugged the Beam into  the HDMI port on 
the APPLE TV using the SONOS cable which they confirmed supported EARC etc.



The results - nothing! I  couldn't get a sound out of the APPLE TV, needless to 
say as soon as I  re-plugged it into the back of my LG  TV it came alive with 
Voiceover etc so the APPLE TV was working fine.



I  have been doing some GOOGling around and found an APPLE support article 
which seemed to suggest that you could plug the APPLE TV into a sound bar to 
get DOLBY Audio sound.



When I had the APPLE TV plugged into the LG I had a look around the settings 
under video/sound but couldn't find any reference to immersive audio or DOLBY 
Audio.  The article suggested that if this was the case your surround equipment 
settings needed checking.  Presumably in this case this means the BEAM.



An

RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Richard Turner]

When we first got our Apple TV 3rd generation, I had to get an optical audio 
converter to get the sound to go through our then stereo receiver and not the 
TV speaker only.  This was before we got Sonos products and a Smart TV and 
stopped using the physical Apple TV.

I wonder if you need something like that to direct the audio through the 
soundbar?

Though, I don't know what inputs the Beam2 has, if it is just the HDMI port, 
then that idea may not work.

Best of luck,



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

Well I  picked up a  SONOS Beam 2  last week and connected it to my APPLE TV 4K 
latest version.

I  set up the Beam and plugged it into the EARC port on my LG TV and it worked 
ok. I switched everything off and re-plugged the Beam into  the HDMI port on 
the APPLE TV using the SONOS cable which they confirmed supported EARC etc.

The results - nothing! I  couldn't get a sound out of the APPLE TV, needless to 
say as soon as I  re-plugged it into the back of my LG  TV it came alive with 
Voiceover etc so the APPLE TV was working fine.

I  have been doing some GOOGling around and found an APPLE support article 
which seemed to suggest that you could plug the APPLE TV into a sound bar to 
get DOLBY Audio sound.

When I had the APPLE TV plugged into the LG I had a look around the settings 
under video/sound but couldn't find any reference to immersive audio or DOLBY 
Audio.  The article suggested that if this was the case your surround equipment 
settings needed checking.  Presumably in this case this means the BEAM.

Any suggestions?


Thanks


Gary

On 20/11/2022 22:19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Yes, it would work because that is what receivers are made for just as HDMI 
> inputs on TV's are made for this.
> Anyways, I have a feeling with the secondor third generation Apple TV 4K you 
> will be able to plug it straight into a Sonos Beam or Arc, but hopefully Gary 
> will report back once he has picked up his Beam and tried it.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Ford
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 1:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>
> Hi,
>
> For what it is worth, I do have my Apple TV plugged into the HDMI port of my 
> receiver.  This is a Marantz receiver.  This works fine with the Apple device 
> and does not require my TV to be connected or on for the Apple device to 
> work.  The Apple device is the newest 4K unit.
>
>
>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
>> what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version 
>> which arrived last week.
>>
>> I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and 
>> the speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% 
>> faster than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a 
>> sound only system.
>>
>> I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
>> Friday and will report back on what happens.
>>
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
>>> only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the 
>>> audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, 
>>> but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these 
>>> gadgets I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, 
>>> hook it up to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has 
>>> and see if it works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund 
>>> or look into whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it 
>>> work.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Matthew Bullis
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>>>
>>> Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You 
>>> connect an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your 
>>&g

Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

['Gary Robinson' via VIPhone]

Well I  picked up a  SONOS Beam 2  last week and connected it to my 
APPLE TV 4K latest version.


I  set up the Beam and plugged it into the EARC port on my LG TV and it 
worked ok. I switched everything off and re-plugged the Beam into  the 
HDMI port on the APPLE TV using the SONOS cable which they confirmed 
supported EARC etc.


The results - nothing! I  couldn't get a sound out of the APPLE TV, 
needless to say as soon as I  re-plugged it into the back of my LG  TV 
it came alive with Voiceover etc so the APPLE TV was working fine.


I  have been doing some GOOGling around and found an APPLE support 
article which seemed to suggest that you could plug the APPLE TV into a  
sound bar to get DOLBY Audio sound.


When I had the APPLE TV plugged into the LG I had a look around the 
settings under video/sound but couldn't find any reference to immersive 
audio or DOLBY Audio.  The article suggested that if this was the case 
your surround equipment settings needed checking.  Presumably in this 
case this means the BEAM.


Any suggestions?


Thanks


Gary

On 20/11/2022 22:19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Yes, it would work because that is what receivers are made for just as HDMI 
inputs on TV's are made for this.
Anyways, I have a feeling with the secondor third generation Apple TV 4K you 
will be able to plug it straight into a Sonos Beam or Arc, but hopefully Gary 
will report back once he has picked up his Beam and tried it.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Ford
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 1:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Hi,

For what it is worth, I do have my Apple TV plugged into the HDMI port of my 
receiver.  This is a Marantz receiver.  This works fine with the Apple device 
and does not require my TV to be connected or on for the Apple device to work.  
The Apple device is the newest 4K unit.



On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

Hello all,

Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version which 
arrived last week.

I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and the 
speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% faster 
than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a sound only 
system.

I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
Friday and will report back on what happens.


Gary


On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have only 
HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the audio 
coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, but 
whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these gadgets I 
would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, hook it up to 
my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has and see if it 
works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund or look into 
whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it work.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Matthew 
Bullis
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You connect 
an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your audio out 
through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or gaming consoles 
don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have them for some external 
speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:
ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +... 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Matthew


On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joney Owen  wrote:

I asked this question when I was in a class for Apple TV a year or so ago. We 
scuffed at a bit, because they couldn’t understand why the TV was not wanted. 
However, I don’t believe it works without the TV. If you find out differently, 
please let me know.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 at 877-204-3930

I suspect the answer is that the Apple TV won't care, but short of just trying 
it, the good folks at Apple could answer your question quickly.

I don't have a physical Apple TV, I just use the app on my iPhone or our Smart 
TV in our living room...



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Hi all,

Does anyone know if