Re: Using Small Braille Display Question, was Re: Braille for seniors?!
I use a 12 cell display just for reading. The smallest I ever had was 9 cell. It’s something I quickly got used to and like small displays as easier to take away on holiday etc if I want. I wouldn’t rule out using a larger one though but it was what I could afford at the time. All the best Angie > On 29 Jun 2019, at 21:45, Arnold Schmidt wrote: > > I have never used a braille display, so I hope this question is not too > silly. But for those who have one of the smaller displays, what do you use it > to do? The only reason I would invest in a braille display of any kind would > be to read books and magazines from BARD and Bookshare. But I would think it > would become really tedious to read a book with a less than 20-cell display, > being only able to read three or four words at most, then having to have it > refresh to read a few more words. Those whom I have asked say the main value > in these small displays is in their ability to write braille, or maybe to > check the spelling of a word. But I surely can buy a bunch of bluetooth > keyboards for the price of even the cheapest small braille display, or I can > use Apple Braille Screen input, as I am doing to write this message. And, I > already know how to get VoiceOver to spell that word. If I ever were to get a > display, I think it would be at least 32 cells, preferably 40, which is the > length of a line in a braille book. Those whom I know and have asked say that > they rarely use even their large displays to read books, paper braille is > much more satisfactory. I definitely believe there may be something about > this subject that I don't know. So, thanks for any enlightenment. > > Arnold Schmidt > > > Sent from Arnold's iPhone > > On Jun 29, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > The thing about Hadley is that they teach all over the world. > > Best regards, > > Carolyn > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > sherrywells1...@gmail.com > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 9:54 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Braille for seniors?! > > Hello karuna, > > Sounds like you already have a good start! I don't think there are any hard > & fast rules about age & learning. It all depends on the person. And if you > speak more than one language, I think you already have an ability to learning > a new one. Braille isn't exactly a new language but I think some of the same > learning skills apply. > > I learned Braille as an adult in my 40s. I found it was like learning to > type sort of, lots of practice. And although I can read Braille now, I am > not fast enough that I would want to try a book. I can get by with menus & > other things I need to read. > > If you have a local vocational rehab, you might be able to learn it from > someone there. If not, maybe they can at least suggest somewhere where you > could get instruction. You might also just google where to learn Braille or > something like that to see what shows up. I think you could teach yourself > if you could find a good source to learn from. And, again, you really are > already learning it via your phone! > > Good luck, > Sherry Wells > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of karuna > Chopra > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:14 AM > To: ViPhone > Subject: Braille for seniors?! > > Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? > Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the > Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how > quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! > Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? > I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. > But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets > at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? > If yes, how should I go about doing it? > Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? > Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! > K > > P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give > their age :-) > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at
RE: Braille for seniors?!
You go for it, Karuna! Best regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of karuna Chopra Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 5:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille for seniors?! OMG!! Thank you all you wonderful people! I wish I could thank everyone personally for all the great helpful advice and inputs!! I am so glad I thought of starting to learn Braille. I am even more delighted that I shrugged off my hesitancy and shyness and asked for help on this wonderful group! Thank you, thank you! Thank you!! From the bottom of my heart! I feel truly blessed to be a part of this wonderful group of wonderful people! Stay Blessed! K On 30-Jun-2019, at 12:21 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: I made a mistake on the language comparison. With a language, one can usually understand more than they can speak, and with Braille, it is easier to learn to write than to read. Best regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Wocher Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille for seniors?! Hello all, I am 43 now and I lost my sight a month before my 27th birthday. I have found it very hard to learn to read braille efficiently. I did well learning what the dot configurations were but reading is more difficult for me. It is nearly impossible for me to read paper braille unless its jumbo braille. After nearly 40 years as a type one diabetic my fingertips are just not as sensitive as others. I also struggle with feeling like I am in first grade trying to learn how to read again. My brain has problems with this. LOL. I do have an Orbit reader 20 which I purchased as soon as they became available. Braille is so important but I struggle with it all the time. Greg Wocher > On Jun 29, 2019, at 1:23 PM, kitty hevener wrote: > > Yes, it is absolutely possible. Prior to my retirement, I taught braille to > many clients who were seniors. Also, hadley institute for blind and visually > impaired offers free correspondence courses to help u learn braille. Good > luck and if I can be of any more help, yell. > > -Original Message- From: karuna Chopra > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:13 AM > To: ViPhone > Subject: Braille for seniors?! > > Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? > Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the > Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how > quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! > Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? > I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. > But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets > at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? > If yes, how should I go about doing it? > Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? > Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! > K > > P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give > their age :-) > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@goo
RE: Using Small Braille Display Question, was Re: Braille for seniors?!
I always thought I'd never want anything smaller than 32 cells. Then I got a U2 Mini, 18 cells, and now I wouldn't want anything larger than 20. It is annoying to have to refresh the line so often, since I'm rather obsessive, I've created my own shorthand system into which I translate my books. But even without that, it ends up being a better reading experience on the shorter display line. You don't have to swing the hand as far. One study from France confirmed that finding; I reported on it in Tidbits a few years ago. For new readers, I believe electronic braille will be easier to feel and read than braille on paper. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 4:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Using Small Braille Display Question, was Re: Braille for seniors?! I have never used a braille display, so I hope this question is not too silly. But for those who have one of the smaller displays, what do you use it to do? The only reason I would invest in a braille display of any kind would be to read books and magazines from BARD and Bookshare. But I would think it would become really tedious to read a book with a less than 20-cell display, being only able to read three or four words at most, then having to have it refresh to read a few more words. Those whom I have asked say the main value in these small displays is in their ability to write braille, or maybe to check the spelling of a word. But I surely can buy a bunch of bluetooth keyboards for the price of even the cheapest small braille display, or I can use Apple Braille Screen input, as I am doing to write this message. And, I already know how to get VoiceOver to spell that word. If I ever were to get a display, I think it would be at least 32 cells, preferably 40, which is the length of a line in a braille book. Those whom I know and have asked say that they rarely use even their large displays to read books, paper braille is much more satisfactory. I definitely believe there may be something about this subject that I don't know. So, thanks for any enlightenment. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone On Jun 29, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: The thing about Hadley is that they teach all over the world. Best regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 9:54 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Braille for seniors?! Hello karuna, Sounds like you already have a good start! I don't think there are any hard & fast rules about age & learning. It all depends on the person. And if you speak more than one language, I think you already have an ability to learning a new one. Braille isn't exactly a new language but I think some of the same learning skills apply. I learned Braille as an adult in my 40s. I found it was like learning to type sort of, lots of practice. And although I can read Braille now, I am not fast enough that I would want to try a book. I can get by with menus & other things I need to read. If you have a local vocational rehab, you might be able to learn it from someone there. If not, maybe they can at least suggest somewhere where you could get instruction. You might also just google where to learn Braille or something like that to see what shows up. I think you could teach yourself if you could find a good source to learn from. And, again, you really are already learning it via your phone! Good luck, Sherry Wells -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of karuna Chopra Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:14 AM To: ViPhone Subject: Braille for seniors?! Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? If yes, how should I go about doing it? Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! K P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give their age :-) -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is
Re: Using Small Braille Display Question, was Re: Braille for seniors?!
Arnold, I have a 14-cell display I use with my iPhone; it's not much Braille real estate, so to speak, but it gets the job done. I have read BARD and Bookshare books on an 18-cell display; you just keep hitting the Next button. The nice thing about a smaller display is that it fits in small spaces, like a pocket or purse, and is considerably less expensive. Susie > On Jun 29, 2019, at 3:45 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: > > I have never used a braille display, so I hope this question is not too > silly. But for those who have one of the smaller displays, what do you use it > to do? The only reason I would invest in a braille display of any kind would > be to read books and magazines from BARD and Bookshare. But I would think it > would become really tedious to read a book with a less than 20-cell display, > being only able to read three or four words at most, then having to have it > refresh to read a few more words. Those whom I have asked say the main value > in these small displays is in their ability to write braille, or maybe to > check the spelling of a word. But I surely can buy a bunch of bluetooth > keyboards for the price of even the cheapest small braille display, or I can > use Apple Braille Screen input, as I am doing to write this message. And, I > already know how to get VoiceOver to spell that word. If I ever were to get a > display, I think it would be at least 32 cells, preferably 40, which is the > length of a line in a braille book. Those whom I know and have asked say that > they rarely use even their large displays to read books, paper braille is > much more satisfactory. I definitely believe there may be something about > this subject that I don't know. So, thanks for any enlightenment. > > Arnold Schmidt > > > Sent from Arnold's iPhone > > On Jun 29, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > The thing about Hadley is that they teach all over the world. > > Best regards, > > Carolyn > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > sherrywells1...@gmail.com > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 9:54 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Braille for seniors?! > > Hello karuna, > > Sounds like you already have a good start! I don't think there are any hard > & fast rules about age & learning. It all depends on the person. And if you > speak more than one language, I think you already have an ability to learning > a new one. Braille isn't exactly a new language but I think some of the same > learning skills apply. > > I learned Braille as an adult in my 40s. I found it was like learning to > type sort of, lots of practice. And although I can read Braille now, I am > not fast enough that I would want to try a book. I can get by with menus & > other things I need to read. > > If you have a local vocational rehab, you might be able to learn it from > someone there. If not, maybe they can at least suggest somewhere where you > could get instruction. You might also just google where to learn Braille or > something like that to see what shows up. I think you could teach yourself > if you could find a good source to learn from. And, again, you really are > already learning it via your phone! > > Good luck, > Sherry Wells > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of karuna > Chopra > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:14 AM > To: ViPhone > Subject: Braille for seniors?! > > Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? > Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the > Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how > quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! > Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? > I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. > But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets > at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? > If yes, how should I go about doing it? > Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? > Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! > K > > P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give > their age :-) > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >
Re: Using Small Braille Display Question, was Re: Braille for seniors?!
What is the cost of it and where can it be purchased? Is there a tutorial available? Live simply, Love generously, Care deeply, Speak kindly And leave the rest to God! Please join me on www.gamesgaloreandmore.com where through learning, friendship, activities, and growth, together we can build a site to be proud of. - Original Message - From: "alia robinson" To: Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 12:51 PM Subject: Re: Using Small Braille Display Question, was Re: Braille for seniors?! well as I???ve said the actilino scrolls based on the position of your finger, even on IOS. it is the best reading experience I ever had. better than a 40 cell IMO the bigger displays hurt my shoulder, continually reaching and reaching. the actilino's 16 cells, but it???s always scrolling so you don???t care or notice. On Jun 29, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: I have never used a braille display, so I hope this question is not too silly. But for those who have one of the smaller displays, what do you use it to do? The only reason I would invest in a braille display of any kind would be to read books and magazines from BARD and Bookshare. But I would think it would become really tedious to read a book with a less than 20-cell display, being only able to read three or four words at most, then having to have it refresh to read a few more words. Those whom I have asked say the main value in these small displays is in their ability to write braille, or maybe to check the spelling of a word. But I surely can buy a bunch of bluetooth keyboards for the price of even the cheapest small braille display, or I can use Apple Braille Screen input, as I am doing to write this message. And, I already know how to get VoiceOver to spell that word. If I ever were to get a display, I think it would be at least 32 cells, preferably 40, which is the length of a line in a braille book. Those whom I know and have asked say that they rarely use even their large displays to read books, paper braille is much more satisfactory. I definitely believe there may be something about this subject that I don't know. So, thanks for any enlightenment. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6E6B7024-092C-4735-AA56-F11304471E9C%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/E36DF83621EF4709AEE643825D48FF07%40magnoliasGift.
Re: Braille for seniors?!
OMG!! Thank you all you wonderful people! I wish I could thank everyone personally for all the great helpful advice and inputs!! I am so glad I thought of starting to learn Braille. I am even more delighted that I shrugged off my hesitancy and shyness and asked for help on this wonderful group! Thank you, thank you! Thank you!! From the bottom of my heart! I feel truly blessed to be a part of this wonderful group of wonderful people! Stay Blessed! K On 30-Jun-2019, at 12:21 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: I made a mistake on the language comparison. With a language, one can usually understand more than they can speak, and with Braille, it is easier to learn to write than to read. Best regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Wocher Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille for seniors?! Hello all, I am 43 now and I lost my sight a month before my 27th birthday. I have found it very hard to learn to read braille efficiently. I did well learning what the dot configurations were but reading is more difficult for me. It is nearly impossible for me to read paper braille unless its jumbo braille. After nearly 40 years as a type one diabetic my fingertips are just not as sensitive as others. I also struggle with feeling like I am in first grade trying to learn how to read again. My brain has problems with this. LOL. I do have an Orbit reader 20 which I purchased as soon as they became available. Braille is so important but I struggle with it all the time. Greg Wocher > On Jun 29, 2019, at 1:23 PM, kitty hevener wrote: > > Yes, it is absolutely possible. Prior to my retirement, I taught braille to > many clients who were seniors. Also, hadley institute for blind and visually > impaired offers free correspondence courses to help u learn braille. Good > luck and if I can be of any more help, yell. > > -Original Message- From: karuna Chopra > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:13 AM > To: ViPhone > Subject: Braille for seniors?! > > Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? > Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the > Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how > quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! > Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? > I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. > But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets > at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? > If yes, how should I go about doing it? > Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? > Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! > K > > P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give > their age :-) > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To v
Re: Using Small Braille Display Question, was Re: Braille for seniors?!
well as I’ve said the actilino scrolls based on the position of your finger, even on IOS. it is the best reading experience I ever had. better than a 40 cell IMO the bigger displays hurt my shoulder, continually reaching and reaching. the actilino's 16 cells, but it’s always scrolling so you don’t care or notice. On Jun 29, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: I have never used a braille display, so I hope this question is not too silly. But for those who have one of the smaller displays, what do you use it to do? The only reason I would invest in a braille display of any kind would be to read books and magazines from BARD and Bookshare. But I would think it would become really tedious to read a book with a less than 20-cell display, being only able to read three or four words at most, then having to have it refresh to read a few more words. Those whom I have asked say the main value in these small displays is in their ability to write braille, or maybe to check the spelling of a word. But I surely can buy a bunch of bluetooth keyboards for the price of even the cheapest small braille display, or I can use Apple Braille Screen input, as I am doing to write this message. And, I already know how to get VoiceOver to spell that word. If I ever were to get a display, I think it would be at least 32 cells, preferably 40, which is the length of a line in a braille book. Those whom I know and have asked say that they rarely use even their large displays to read books, paper braille is much more satisfactory. I definitely believe there may be something about this subject that I don't know. So, thanks for any enlightenment. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6E6B7024-092C-4735-AA56-F11304471E9C%40gmail.com.
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I have never used a braille display, so I hope this question is not too silly. But for those who have one of the smaller displays, what do you use it to do? The only reason I would invest in a braille display of any kind would be to read books and magazines from BARD and Bookshare. But I would think it would become really tedious to read a book with a less than 20-cell display, being only able to read three or four words at most, then having to have it refresh to read a few more words. Those whom I have asked say the main value in these small displays is in their ability to write braille, or maybe to check the spelling of a word. But I surely can buy a bunch of bluetooth keyboards for the price of even the cheapest small braille display, or I can use Apple Braille Screen input, as I am doing to write this message. And, I already know how to get VoiceOver to spell that word. If I ever were to get a display, I think it would be at least 32 cells, preferably 40, which is the length of a line in a braille book. Those whom I know and have asked say that they rarely use even their large displays to read books, paper braille is much more satisfactory. I definitely believe there may be something about this subject that I don't know. So, thanks for any enlightenment. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone On Jun 29, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: The thing about Hadley is that they teach all over the world. Best regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 9:54 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Braille for seniors?! Hello karuna, Sounds like you already have a good start! I don't think there are any hard & fast rules about age & learning. It all depends on the person. And if you speak more than one language, I think you already have an ability to learning a new one. Braille isn't exactly a new language but I think some of the same learning skills apply. I learned Braille as an adult in my 40s. I found it was like learning to type sort of, lots of practice. And although I can read Braille now, I am not fast enough that I would want to try a book. I can get by with menus & other things I need to read. If you have a local vocational rehab, you might be able to learn it from someone there. If not, maybe they can at least suggest somewhere where you could get instruction. You might also just google where to learn Braille or something like that to see what shows up. I think you could teach yourself if you could find a good source to learn from. And, again, you really are already learning it via your phone! Good luck, Sherry Wells -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of karuna Chopra Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:14 AM To: ViPhone Subject: Braille for seniors?! Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? If yes, how should I go about doing it? Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! K P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give their age :-) -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather tha
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I made a mistake on the language comparison. With a language, one can usually understand more than they can speak, and with Braille, it is easier to learn to write than to read. Best regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Wocher Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille for seniors?! Hello all, I am 43 now and I lost my sight a month before my 27th birthday. I have found it very hard to learn to read braille efficiently. I did well learning what the dot configurations were but reading is more difficult for me. It is nearly impossible for me to read paper braille unless its jumbo braille. After nearly 40 years as a type one diabetic my fingertips are just not as sensitive as others. I also struggle with feeling like I am in first grade trying to learn how to read again. My brain has problems with this. LOL. I do have an Orbit reader 20 which I purchased as soon as they became available. Braille is so important but I struggle with it all the time. Greg Wocher > On Jun 29, 2019, at 1:23 PM, kitty hevener wrote: > > Yes, it is absolutely possible. Prior to my retirement, I taught braille to > many clients who were seniors. Also, hadley institute for blind and visually > impaired offers free correspondence courses to help u learn braille. Good > luck and if I can be of any more help, yell. > > -Original Message- From: karuna Chopra > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:13 AM > To: ViPhone > Subject: Braille for seniors?! > > Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? > Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the > Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how > quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! > Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? > I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. > But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets > at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? > If yes, how should I go about doing it? > Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? > Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! > K > > P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give > their age :-) > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6BCB69BF568745DF956A8AAECA045740%40kittyHP. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you ca
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Greg, a lot of people can understand a second language with greater proficiency than they can speak it. I believe that it is common for output to be easier than input. Best regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Wocher Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille for seniors?! Hello all, I am 43 now and I lost my sight a month before my 27th birthday. I have found it very hard to learn to read braille efficiently. I did well learning what the dot configurations were but reading is more difficult for me. It is nearly impossible for me to read paper braille unless its jumbo braille. After nearly 40 years as a type one diabetic my fingertips are just not as sensitive as others. I also struggle with feeling like I am in first grade trying to learn how to read again. My brain has problems with this. LOL. I do have an Orbit reader 20 which I purchased as soon as they became available. Braille is so important but I struggle with it all the time. Greg Wocher > On Jun 29, 2019, at 1:23 PM, kitty hevener wrote: > > Yes, it is absolutely possible. Prior to my retirement, I taught braille to > many clients who were seniors. Also, hadley institute for blind and visually > impaired offers free correspondence courses to help u learn braille. Good > luck and if I can be of any more help, yell. > > -Original Message- From: karuna Chopra > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:13 AM > To: ViPhone > Subject: Braille for seniors?! > > Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? > Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the > Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how > quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! > Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? > I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. > But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets > at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? > If yes, how should I go about doing it? > Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? > Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! > K > > P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give > their age :-) > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6BCB69BF568745DF956A8AAECA045740%40kittyHP. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Ca
RE: Braille for seniors?!
The thing about Hadley is that they teach all over the world. Best regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 9:54 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Braille for seniors?! Hello karuna, Sounds like you already have a good start! I don't think there are any hard & fast rules about age & learning. It all depends on the person. And if you speak more than one language, I think you already have an ability to learning a new one. Braille isn't exactly a new language but I think some of the same learning skills apply. I learned Braille as an adult in my 40s. I found it was like learning to type sort of, lots of practice. And although I can read Braille now, I am not fast enough that I would want to try a book. I can get by with menus & other things I need to read. If you have a local vocational rehab, you might be able to learn it from someone there. If not, maybe they can at least suggest somewhere where you could get instruction. You might also just google where to learn Braille or something like that to see what shows up. I think you could teach yourself if you could find a good source to learn from. And, again, you really are already learning it via your phone! Good luck, Sherry Wells -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of karuna Chopra Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:14 AM To: ViPhone Subject: Braille for seniors?! Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? If yes, how should I go about doing it? Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! K P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give their age :-) -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005e01d52e82%241f8ce050%245ea6a0f0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vip
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It will require time and patience to redirect the pathway of reading intake to the brain from eyes to fingers. Just keep on keeping on, unless, like Joshua mentioned, there is finger nerve damage. Best regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 2:00 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille for seniors?! I don't see why not. As long as the person has a lot of determination and there hands are in good shape. I mean, as long as they don't have any nerve damage in there hand and there sense of touch works fine. I'm not sure about the best training materials. On 6/29/19, karuna Chopra wrote: > Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? > Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon > the Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed > at how quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! > Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? > > I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. > But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into > alphabets at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? > If yes, how should I go about doing it? > Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? > Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! > K > > P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to > give their age :-) > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. > -- Joshua Hendrickson Joshua Hendrickson -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CADUoy9u_OAqXMwb7gjvLSCP_yRhhX0qTONS8gNcHPWbi9zr2wA%40mail.gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000e01d52ea8%2452512250%24f6f366f0%24%40windstream.net.
RE: Braille for seniors?!
As someone who learned to use the iPhone at 81, I'd suggest you give Braille a try. Check with your state rehabilitation office and Hadley to see if you can get some instruction assistance. Just keep in mind, that it is a learning curve; you have no dealine; so if it is slow, what the heck? Best regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of karuna Chopra Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:14 AM To: ViPhone Subject: Braille for seniors?! Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? If yes, how should I go about doing it? Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! K P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give their age :-) -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000c01d52ea8%2426e198c0%2474a4ca40%24%40windstream.net.
Re: Braille for seniors?!
Hi Fred, I can sympathize. I learned braille when I was 50. My best advice is to practice, practice, practice! Find a book or choose a braille magazine that you simply can't put down. What you need is a real page-turner, and then read it in braille. After that, choose another! Keep records in braille, either using an electronic braille display/input device or a Perkins, and refer to your notes whenever you need to find an address, identify a spice jar, etc. The more you use braille, the easier it will be. Hadley's courses are wonderful and their teachers kind, encouraging, and non-judgmental! Use the lightest touch you can, that will definitely help with identifying the letters and contractions and help you to increase your reading speed. Good luck, and don't give up! Penny On 6/29/19, Greg Wocher wrote: > Hello all, > I am 43 now and I lost my sight a month before my 27th birthday. I have > found it very hard to learn to read braille efficiently. I did well learning > what the dot configurations were but reading is more difficult for me. It is > nearly impossible for me to read paper braille unless its jumbo braille. > After nearly 40 years as a type one diabetic my fingertips are just not as > sensitive as others. I also struggle with feeling like I am in first grade > trying to learn how to read again. My brain has problems with this. LOL. I > do have an Orbit reader 20 which I purchased as soon as they became > available. Braille is so important but I struggle with it all the time. > > Greg Wocher > > >> On Jun 29, 2019, at 1:23 PM, kitty hevener >> wrote: >> >> Yes, it is absolutely possible. Prior to my retirement, I taught braille >> to many clients who were seniors. Also, hadley institute for blind and >> visually impaired offers free correspondence courses to help u learn >> braille. Good luck and if I can be of any more help, yell. >> >> -Original Message- From: karuna Chopra >> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:13 AM >> To: ViPhone >> Subject: Braille for seniors?! >> >> Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? >> Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the >> Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how >> quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! >> Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read >> Braille? >> I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. >> But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into >> alphabets at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? >> If yes, how should I go about doing it? >> Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? >> Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! >> K >> >> P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give >> their age :-) >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6BCB69BF568745DF956A8AAECA045740%40kittyHP. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post
Re: Braille for seniors?!
Hello all, I am 43 now and I lost my sight a month before my 27th birthday. I have found it very hard to learn to read braille efficiently. I did well learning what the dot configurations were but reading is more difficult for me. It is nearly impossible for me to read paper braille unless its jumbo braille. After nearly 40 years as a type one diabetic my fingertips are just not as sensitive as others. I also struggle with feeling like I am in first grade trying to learn how to read again. My brain has problems with this. LOL. I do have an Orbit reader 20 which I purchased as soon as they became available. Braille is so important but I struggle with it all the time. Greg Wocher > On Jun 29, 2019, at 1:23 PM, kitty hevener wrote: > > Yes, it is absolutely possible. Prior to my retirement, I taught braille to > many clients who were seniors. Also, hadley institute for blind and visually > impaired offers free correspondence courses to help u learn braille. Good > luck and if I can be of any more help, yell. > > -Original Message- From: karuna Chopra > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:13 AM > To: ViPhone > Subject: Braille for seniors?! > > Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? > Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the > Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how > quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! > Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? > I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. > But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets > at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? > If yes, how should I go about doing it? > Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? > Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! > K > > P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give > their age :-) > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6BCB69BF568745DF956A8AAECA045740%40kittyHP. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ABE27FE7-3CF7-4D62-830C-6A7F6C0FE3E8%40gwocher.com.
Re: Braille for seniors?!
Yes, it is absolutely possible. Prior to my retirement, I taught braille to many clients who were seniors. Also, hadley institute for blind and visually impaired offers free correspondence courses to help u learn braille. Good luck and if I can be of any more help, yell. -Original Message- From: karuna Chopra Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:13 AM To: ViPhone Subject: Braille for seniors?! Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? If yes, how should I go about doing it? Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! K P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give their age :-) -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6BCB69BF568745DF956A8AAECA045740%40kittyHP.
RE: Braille for seniors?!
If you think you might want to read much, including books, then a refreshable braille display makes reading easier and gives you access to all sorts of electronic material. I'm blind from birth, and I am probably a bit more radical about this than many people, but I haven't used paper braille for years. I am in the midst of creating a free braille course for users of refreshable braille devices, especially the Orbit Reader, though not necessarily. You listen to audio files with explanations, and use braille files on the SD card for your device. The course is for the motivated learner. We learn contracted braille from the beginning. 21 lessons are available so far. The course is based loosely on the ideas of Sally Mangold, but otherwise, I am no expert at all. If interested, write to me at top...@gmail.com. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of karuna Chopra Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:14 AM To: ViPhone Subject: Braille for seniors?! Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? If yes, how should I go about doing it? Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! K P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give their age :-) -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/091c01d52e8e%242c1512f0%24843f38d0%24%40gmail.com.
RE: Braille for seniors?!
Not only is it possible, but learning something new is good for your brain. I second the suggestion of signing up with Hadley. Their courses are free. Susie -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of TaraPrakash Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 6:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille for seniors?! Oh of course. All you need to learn is The positioning of six dots or six fingers in the case of typing. Reading braille fluently could be a challenge at that age but not what you’re trying to achieve. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 29, 2019, at 1:13 AM, karuna Chopra wrote: > > Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? > Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the > Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how > quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! > Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? > I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. > But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets > at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? > If yes, how should I go about doing it? > Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? > Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! > K > > P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give > their age :-) > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A22E7F2C-E1D9-427B-B40A-4116D0DDE605%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/017901d52e8c%242ce03d10%2486a0b730%24%40gmail.com.
NFB article on Braille training--was, RE: Braille for seniors?!
Braille MonitorFebruary 2013 ( Methodology for Teaching Braille to Adults by Emily Wharton and Ryan Strunk >From the Editor: Emily Wharton and Ryan Strunk are both employed by BLIND, >Incorporated, the NFB training center located in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Emily >is the Braille instructor, Ryan the technology instructor. Both are dedicated >to helping blind people graduate as literate adults. For a long time complaints about materials for teaching Braille to adults have been a topic of discussion between blind adults and their instructors. Emily has tried to address this by creating a new system for teaching Braille. The system includes a textbook, but it is far more than just another book on teaching Braille. Because using new technology is a part of this system, Ryan's role has been critical. For the benefit of those who are not familiar with Braille, here are some pointers and definitions. Words in Braille can be written letter by letter, as they are in print, or can be represented by contractions and short forms. Some commonly used words are represented by dot combinations that are not already used for numbers, letters, or punctuation. Words such as with, of, for, were, and was are represented in this way and are called contractions. A short form is a letter standing by itself that represents a word. The letter b standing by itself is the word but, the letter c the word can, and the letter d the word do. Every letter represents a word. If a letter standing by itself is not intended to be a word, it is preceded by a special symbol called a letter sign. This makes it possible to represent a list in which a is the first item, b the second, and z the twenty-sixth. A peg slate is used to introduce students to Braille. Pegs are inserted into the holes of a board to make the shapes of the Braille symbols. Here is the written version of the remarks presented by Ryan and Emily at the Braille Symposium on September 28, 2012: Introduction When I began teaching Braille in the adult comprehensive program at BLIND, Incorporated, in March 2009, our students had a generally negative attitude about Braille and were performing below expectation in Braille reading and writing proficiency. They complained that Braille was hard and not useful for them in their daily lives. These adults complained of feeling like a first grader and acted as if using a slate and stylus was a punishment. They were also taking five months or more to learn the Braille code and budgeting very little time to work on building speed and fluency before they completed the program. In short, we had a bad Braillitude going on, and we needed to turn it around. Reflecting on my own experiences as an adult Braille learner and consulting with other Braille enthusiasts who learned Braille as a teenager or adult, I [Emily] began work on a new method for teaching Braille to adults. In order to address the problems I was seeing, I needed for this method to incorporate the following elements: decrease stress and increase enjoyment, make studying outside class easy, show how useful Braille is, teach to the student's learning style, focus on "sight words" and context to increase fluency, leverage the power and promise of technology, foster mastery motivation, and customize material to the student's interests. I was teaching Braille using this method by the fall of 2009. I completed the first version of the Code Master textbook around this time, and we have been using it as our primary teaching text since then. In January of 2010 we combined Braille and technology into a single class called Communications, and I instructed my colleague Ryan Strunk on implementing this method. Ryan and I have been using it since with all Braille learners in the general adult comprehensive program. Overview of the Method The Code Master Adult Learning System consists of five components: 1) the Code Master Adult Learning System manual, 2) a three-ring binder for customized notes, 3) an audio CD or MP3 files for textbook tutorial, 4) instructions for customizing the curriculum for students, and 5) methods for incorporating technology into Braille instruction. The following sections explain these components more completely. When students begin the program knowing no Braille, they start by learning the dot configurations. They work on this orally and using a peg slate. On day one they learn the first ten letters. Students are given textbooks, peg slates, and audio materials. They receive instruction in reading technique and are encouraged to work on reading the textbook and touch pages outside class, but the method and overall class structure are discussed so that students understand the process and know that reading technique will not become a focus of lessons until later in the course. Generally, within the first two weeks students know the alphabet, numbers, basic punctuation,
RE: Braille for seniors?!
Hello karuna, Sounds like you already have a good start! I don't think there are any hard & fast rules about age & learning. It all depends on the person. And if you speak more than one language, I think you already have an ability to learning a new one. Braille isn't exactly a new language but I think some of the same learning skills apply. I learned Braille as an adult in my 40s. I found it was like learning to type sort of, lots of practice. And although I can read Braille now, I am not fast enough that I would want to try a book. I can get by with menus & other things I need to read. If you have a local vocational rehab, you might be able to learn it from someone there. If not, maybe they can at least suggest somewhere where you could get instruction. You might also just google where to learn Braille or something like that to see what shows up. I think you could teach yourself if you could find a good source to learn from. And, again, you really are already learning it via your phone! Good luck, Sherry Wells -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of karuna Chopra Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:14 AM To: ViPhone Subject: Braille for seniors?! Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? If yes, how should I go about doing it? Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! K P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give their age :-) -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005e01d52e82%241f8ce050%245ea6a0f0%24%40gmail.com.
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Absolutely! One of the people I had the privilege of teaching was around 70. There are secrets to the code, really logical keys, that make it easier to learn than is commonly believed. Unless you have severe physical or cognitive issues that would preclude being able to use it (advanced diabetes with lack of finger sensitivity, dementia. E.g.), it's worth giving it the old college try. I would check with the NFB, since they are doing some innovative things to help folks learn it; also, the Hadley Institute courses are great, self-paced options. I tried to paste their YouTube link in, but for whatever reason, Outlook wouldn't let it be inserted as a link, so you'll have to type it into your browser--sorry. HTH, anyway. https://www.hadley.edu https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRe7-7jGsk642SHgh-LOtOg Sandra Something is wrong, I know it, if I don't keep my attention on eternity. May I be the tiniest nail in the house of the universe, tiny but useful. (Mary Oliver) -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of karuna Chopra Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:14 AM To: ViPhone Subject: Braille for seniors?! Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? If yes, how should I go about doing it? Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! K P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give their age :-) -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00eb01d52e7e%247dc5ce10%2479516a30%24%40gmail.com.
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Oh of course. All you need to learn is The positioning of six dots or six fingers in the case of typing. Reading braille fluently could be a challenge at that age but not what you’re trying to achieve. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 29, 2019, at 1:13 AM, karuna Chopra wrote: > > Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? > Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the > Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how > quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! > Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? > I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. > But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets > at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? > If yes, how should I go about doing it? > Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? > Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! > K > > P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give > their age :-) > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A22E7F2C-E1D9-427B-B40A-4116D0DDE605%40gmail.com.
RE: Braille for seniors?!
Also, it sounds like you would be more interested in learning braille in order to write it and not so much to read it. Yes, in a way reading and writing braille go hand in hand, but as somebody who had perfect vision until the age of almost 17 I learned braille later on in life and while any learning is easier when you are younger, some of the challenges are the same. I am sure you could learn the braille alphabet and move on to grade 2 braille which are the abbreviations, most of that is memory work. When I used braille a lot which was back at the German Secondary School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany back in the late 80's and even during my University days after I immigrated to Canada in the early to mid 90's, I found that I could type braille much more easily and especially faster than I could read it. I should mention that when I lost my sight I also lost the index and middle fingers on each hand and I read braille with my right thumb, but while I used to be competent reading braille, I could never even get close to the speed some of my friends had who were blind from birth. But like reading aloud, reading braille is not the same for everybody and I read just as well and fast as a few others who were blind from birth just like some people are great at reading aloud and others are not. Unfortunately braille input on an iPhone or for that matter any touch screen device is not possible for me. On my left hand I also lost my thumb and while it was replaced with my second toe which allows me to have an opposing digit, I don't have the fine motor skills on my left hand to press dots 1, 2 and 3 together on a screen, on a mechanical keyboard like that on a Perkins brailler I can use one finger across 2 keys to press them. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: 'Gail Selfridge' via VIPhone Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 12:00 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille for seniors?! I should have added that the Hadley school is a correspondence school and they offer instructors for each class they take. If you took a braille course from them, they would give you an instructor and lessons in braille and it is a one on one type of situation. You could go at your own pace and get guidance on the way. I think this would be the best way for you to do it. Gail Sent from Gail’s iPhone On Jun 29, 2019, at 12:47 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via VIPhone wrote: The Hadley school for the blind, 700 Space Elm St., Winnetka, Illinois has very good training materials for braille and it is free. But you have to be very determined to learn braille really at any age but especially if you are older. You sound very determined and that’s the biggest part. If you stick with it you can do it. Gail Sent from Gail’s iPhone On Jun 29, 2019, at 12:00 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: I don't see why not. As long as the person has a lot of determination and there hands are in good shape. I mean, as long as they don't have any nerve damage in there hand and there sense of touch works fine. I'm not sure about the best training materials. > On 6/29/19, karuna Chopra wrote: > Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? > Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon > the Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed > at how quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! > Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? > > I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. > But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into > alphabets at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? > If yes, how should I go about doing it? > Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? > Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! > K > > P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to > give their age :-) > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://gro
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One more advantage of taking any Hadley course, is that you can get a bookshare membership for free if that is something you also are interested in. On 6/29/19, 'Gail Selfridge' via VIPhone wrote: > I should have added that the Hadley school is a correspondence school and > they offer instructors for each class they take. If you took a braille > course from them, they would give you an instructor and lessons in braille > and it is a one on one type of situation. You could go at your own pace and > get guidance on the way. I think this would be the best way for you to do > it. > > Gail > > Sent from Gail’s iPhone > > On Jun 29, 2019, at 12:47 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via VIPhone > wrote: > > The Hadley school for the blind, 700 Space Elm St., Winnetka, Illinois has > very good training materials for braille and it is free. But you have to be > very determined to learn braille really at any age but especially if you are > older. You sound very determined and that’s the biggest part. If you stick > with it you can do it. > > Gail > > Sent from Gail’s iPhone > > On Jun 29, 2019, at 12:00 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > > I don't see why not. As long as the person has a lot of determination > and there hands are in good shape. I mean, as long as they don't have > any nerve damage in there hand and there sense of touch works fine. > I'm not sure about the best training materials. > >> On 6/29/19, karuna Chopra wrote: >> Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? >> Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the >> Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how >> quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! >> Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read >> Braille? >> >> I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. >> But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into >> alphabets >> at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? >> If yes, how should I go about doing it? >> Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? >> Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! >> K >> >> P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to >> give >> their age :-) >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >> or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. >> > > > -- > Joshua Hendrickson > > Joshua Hendrickson > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CADUoy9u_OAqXMwb7gjvLSCP_yRhhX0qTONS8gNcHPWbi9zr2wA%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe
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I should have added that the Hadley school is a correspondence school and they offer instructors for each class they take. If you took a braille course from them, they would give you an instructor and lessons in braille and it is a one on one type of situation. You could go at your own pace and get guidance on the way. I think this would be the best way for you to do it. Gail Sent from Gail’s iPhone On Jun 29, 2019, at 12:47 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via VIPhone wrote: The Hadley school for the blind, 700 Space Elm St., Winnetka, Illinois has very good training materials for braille and it is free. But you have to be very determined to learn braille really at any age but especially if you are older. You sound very determined and that’s the biggest part. If you stick with it you can do it. Gail Sent from Gail’s iPhone On Jun 29, 2019, at 12:00 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: I don't see why not. As long as the person has a lot of determination and there hands are in good shape. I mean, as long as they don't have any nerve damage in there hand and there sense of touch works fine. I'm not sure about the best training materials. > On 6/29/19, karuna Chopra wrote: > Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? > Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the > Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how > quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! > Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? > > I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. > But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets > at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? > If yes, how should I go about doing it? > Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? > Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! > K > > P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give > their age :-) > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. > -- Joshua Hendrickson Joshua Hendrickson -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CADUoy9u_OAqXMwb7gjvLSCP_yRhhX0qTONS8gNcHPWbi9zr2wA%40mail.gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/AC556639-AE8F-4EBC-8277-484767118D59%40icloud.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or
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The Hadley school for the blind, 700 Space Elm St., Winnetka, Illinois has very good training materials for braille and it is free. But you have to be very determined to learn braille really at any age but especially if you are older. You sound very determined and that’s the biggest part. If you stick with it you can do it. Gail Sent from Gail’s iPhone On Jun 29, 2019, at 12:00 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: I don't see why not. As long as the person has a lot of determination and there hands are in good shape. I mean, as long as they don't have any nerve damage in there hand and there sense of touch works fine. I'm not sure about the best training materials. > On 6/29/19, karuna Chopra wrote: > Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? > Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the > Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how > quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! > Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? > > I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. > But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets > at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? > If yes, how should I go about doing it? > Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? > Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! > K > > P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give > their age :-) > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. > -- Joshua Hendrickson Joshua Hendrickson -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CADUoy9u_OAqXMwb7gjvLSCP_yRhhX0qTONS8gNcHPWbi9zr2wA%40mail.gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/AC556639-AE8F-4EBC-8277-484767118D59%40icloud.com.
Re: Braille for seniors?!
I don't see why not. As long as the person has a lot of determination and there hands are in good shape. I mean, as long as they don't have any nerve damage in there hand and there sense of touch works fine. I'm not sure about the best training materials. On 6/29/19, karuna Chopra wrote: > Is it possible for someone over the age of 65 to learn braille? > Exploring the accessibility features of my new iPhone, I chanced upon the > Braille entry option on the rotor. I tried using it and was amazed at how > quickly I could start typing in Braille! It was also fun and fast! > Therefore my question-can someone over the age of 65 learn to read Braille? > > I know that with practice I could learn to type in Braille. > But reading braille?? Learning to interpret those raised dots into alphabets > at a reasonably fast speed! Is it possible for me? > If yes, how should I go about doing it? > Should I be buying a refreshable Braille display? > Help, guidance or any indication about this would be wonderful! > K > > P.S. I am actually many years over 65! But ladies are not supposed to give > their age :-) > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F49EFEF2-C769-4D7B-BF5B-F44C45EAB52C%40chopra.us. > -- Joshua Hendrickson Joshua Hendrickson -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CADUoy9u_OAqXMwb7gjvLSCP_yRhhX0qTONS8gNcHPWbi9zr2wA%40mail.gmail.com.
