Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
Hi Esther, Just a comment re SayText: I have noticed that SayText is one of the best apps at using the flash when the lighting is insufficient. Prizmo doesn't kick in till the lighting is much worse and then it doesn't work very well, because it doesn't seem to allow time for the Auto focus to work. SayText will turn the flash on and leave it on before taking the shot. Saytext is really a sweet app now that it has grown up and, although it will always require a degree of skill in lifting that bit higher and keeping the phone flat, the way it takes the shot automatically will always be worth giving it a try. I have already noticed that my free-hand skills have slipped a bit since playing with these boxes, so maybe I will need SayText's auto nature in the future. Thanks again re the heads up for Text Grabber, I tend to dismiss apps when they don't work for me at first. Also, I haven't played with the translation aspect of the app yet, any hints as to that? S. Sent from my iPhone On 15 Mar 2013, at 22:08, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Sandy and Chuck, I guess Chuck now has his answer about whether TextGrabber works well with a StandScan Pro from an actual user; I just put in my order using the viphone coupon discount. You're correct that the big problem with TextGrabber is that it doesn't have the same tolerance of skewed images that Prizmo has. It may be hard for list members who have difficulty using Prizmo to believe, but the fact that Prizmo will tolerate a bit more misalignment when you take pictures than most OCR apps, is one of the things that gives it an edge for blind users. And Prizmo does actually give some of the best OCR results -- but I think TextGrabber does a little better if you can align your pages well. You can run your tests on images you take with the StandScan Pro from the camera roll through both apps as a check. I set the Save Snapshot switch on the TextGrabber Settings page to switch button, off, since I don't want to store the image data -- only the text results. Sandy, I also wasn't too impressed by the Say Text app on my iPhone 4, and couldn't understand why you started recommending it when you got an iPhone 4S, even with the improvements under the later operating systems. It turns out that the performance of that app improves a lot on later model iPhones. While I don't get better OCR solutions than with Prizmo under normal conditions, on my iPhone 5, if the light level is too low, I can sometimes pull off a recognition with Say Text where Prizmo would not work. Go Figure. I still have to do a good job of holding the camera and alignment -- it's only an edge on my iPhone 5 if the light conditions are marginal. And I didn't see any improvement on my iPhone 4. It may be the case that ABBYY's Fine Reader Touch app will do what Matthew wants. But it requires setting up an account, and paying to upload the scans to an ABBYY web site through the app. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Mar 14, 12:29 pm, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Esther, Thank you so much! I had bought Text Grabber ages ago, but was not impressed at the time. However, I just tried it again, using my StandScan Pro and was delighted by the results and also the speed of execution. The interface is much simpler than prizmo too! I shall play with this a little more, but may well have been, finally, weened from my reliance on Prizmo. One question, under settings there is an option to save image, or something to the effect, which is on by default: do you know if it will be OK to turn that off? I hate having my camera roll filled with unnecessary junk. Thanks again, Sandy. Sent from my iPhone On 14 Mar 2013, at 21:49, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Brett, Matthew, David, Chuck, and Others, The problem is that none of the current iOS OCR programs can input from a PDF file, so the current workaround involves displaying the PDF on the screen and doing a screen capture. Then, you need to use an OCR program that lets you input from your camera roll. David gave the steps for Prizmo (appended below my post). However, if you really want to do an OCR from PDF files, I'd recommend using TextGrabber + Translator by ABBYY instead, because it will involve fewer steps, and also give you slightly better OCR results if you work from screen captures. Remember that if you are taking screen shots that your screen curtain must be turned off, and your display brightness must be turned up at least above 30 percent. Also, if you have difficulty taking a screen capture by pressing the Home and power buttons at the same time, try starting to press the Home button slightly before the power button, but make sure you do not release it until you can release both buttons, and hear the camera shutter sound that indicates a successful screen capture. TextGrabber does very good OCR,
Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
Hi Esther, Thank you so much! I had bought Text Grabber ages ago, but was not impressed at the time. However, I just tried it again, using my StandScan Pro and was delighted by the results and also the speed of execution. The interface is much simpler than prizmo too! I shall play with this a little more, but may well have been, finally, weened from my reliance on Prizmo. One question, under settings there is an option to save image, or something to the effect, which is on by default: do you know if it will be OK to turn that off? I hate having my camera roll filled with unnecessary junk. Thanks again, Sandy. Sent from my iPhone On 14 Mar 2013, at 21:49, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Brett, Matthew, David, Chuck, and Others, The problem is that none of the current iOS OCR programs can input from a PDF file, so the current workaround involves displaying the PDF on the screen and doing a screen capture. Then, you need to use an OCR program that lets you input from your camera roll. David gave the steps for Prizmo (appended below my post). However, if you really want to do an OCR from PDF files, I'd recommend using TextGrabber + Translator by ABBYY instead, because it will involve fewer steps, and also give you slightly better OCR results if you work from screen captures. Remember that if you are taking screen shots that your screen curtain must be turned off, and your display brightness must be turned up at least above 30 percent. Also, if you have difficulty taking a screen capture by pressing the Home and power buttons at the same time, try starting to press the Home button slightly before the power button, but make sure you do not release it until you can release both buttons, and hear the camera shutter sound that indicates a successful screen capture. TextGrabber does very good OCR, and can process multiple languages -- even more than Prizmo. However, it is more sensitive to exact alignment of images than Prizmo, which is why I don't recommend it if you are trying to OCR from a camera shot, and you are not practiced in taking pictures for OCR without vision. Neither Prizmo nor TextGrabber requires you to orient your images with the top of the page up, and will work with upside-down or 90 degree rotated images; they just won't give good results if you hold your camera skewed. However, if document alignment is not an issue, because you're working from a screen capture or can use an external stand to align your pages, then TextGrabber works well, and you can set it up to OCR your camera roll images faster than you can with Prizmo. Configure TextGrabber by opening the app, and then flicking to the Settings VF button at the top of the screen, and double tapping. On the Settings screen, flick right to Enable Crop, which is the second entry under the Photo heading. By default this is set with Switch button, on. If so, double tap to ensure this is set to Switch button, off. Since cropping images requires interactive sighted adjustment which you won't use, and since your PDF images should already be selected to maximize the content over the screen area, you don't want to use this setting. Turning it off wlll allow you to skip processing steps, which you cannot do with Prizmo. If you want to add OCR recogniztion languages, you can double tap Recognition Languages and select additional languages from the alphabetical list of languages by double tapping, then double tap the Done button in the top right corner to exit the Recognition Languages screen. Exit the Settings screen by double tapping the Done button in the top right corner. Now when you want to OCR an image, double tap the Album button on the main screen and select your image fromt the camera roll. I navigate by moving to the last element with a four finger tap on the bottom of the screen and then a flick left to Album. On the camera roll, I also usually move to the last element on the screen, and flick left, to get the last image. The nice thing about this TextGrabber configuration is that once you double tap to select an image from your camera roll, you just need to wait a few seconds, and the app immediately processes the image, and you'll hear Camera button -- i.e., the back button for returning to the camera screen -- when it's done. You can just flick right to read the OCR'd results. If the OCR process takes a while, the intermediate processing screen will say recognition if you move to the last element in the bottom right corner. With Prizmo, you have to keep double tapping the Next button in the top right corner to take it through the prcessing steps to reach the final result. After viewing the OCR results, I usually just double tap the menu button in the bottom right corner of the screen, then flick left to copy and double tap. Or, you could email the results to yourself. One final comment: ABBYY now has loads of iOS apps out
Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
Hi Sandy and Chuck, I guess Chuck now has his answer about whether TextGrabber works well with a StandScan Pro from an actual user; I just put in my order using the viphone coupon discount. You're correct that the big problem with TextGrabber is that it doesn't have the same tolerance of skewed images that Prizmo has. It may be hard for list members who have difficulty using Prizmo to believe, but the fact that Prizmo will tolerate a bit more misalignment when you take pictures than most OCR apps, is one of the things that gives it an edge for blind users. And Prizmo does actually give some of the best OCR results -- but I think TextGrabber does a little better if you can align your pages well. You can run your tests on images you take with the StandScan Pro from the camera roll through both apps as a check. I set the Save Snapshot switch on the TextGrabber Settings page to switch button, off, since I don't want to store the image data -- only the text results. Sandy, I also wasn't too impressed by the Say Text app on my iPhone 4, and couldn't understand why you started recommending it when you got an iPhone 4S, even with the improvements under the later operating systems. It turns out that the performance of that app improves a lot on later model iPhones. While I don't get better OCR solutions than with Prizmo under normal conditions, on my iPhone 5, if the light level is too low, I can sometimes pull off a recognition with Say Text where Prizmo would not work. Go Figure. I still have to do a good job of holding the camera and alignment -- it's only an edge on my iPhone 5 if the light conditions are marginal. And I didn't see any improvement on my iPhone 4. It may be the case that ABBYY's Fine Reader Touch app will do what Matthew wants. But it requires setting up an account, and paying to upload the scans to an ABBYY web site through the app. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Mar 14, 12:29 pm, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Esther, Thank you so much! I had bought Text Grabber ages ago, but was not impressed at the time. However, I just tried it again, using my StandScan Pro and was delighted by the results and also the speed of execution. The interface is much simpler than prizmo too! I shall play with this a little more, but may well have been, finally, weened from my reliance on Prizmo. One question, under settings there is an option to save image, or something to the effect, which is on by default: do you know if it will be OK to turn that off? I hate having my camera roll filled with unnecessary junk. Thanks again, Sandy. Sent from my iPhone On 14 Mar 2013, at 21:49, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Brett, Matthew, David, Chuck, and Others, The problem is that none of the current iOS OCR programs can input from a PDF file, so the current workaround involves displaying the PDF on the screen and doing a screen capture. Then, you need to use an OCR program that lets you input from your camera roll. David gave the steps for Prizmo (appended below my post). However, if you really want to do an OCR from PDF files, I'd recommend using TextGrabber + Translator by ABBYY instead, because it will involve fewer steps, and also give you slightly better OCR results if you work from screen captures. Remember that if you are taking screen shots that your screen curtain must be turned off, and your display brightness must be turned up at least above 30 percent. Also, if you have difficulty taking a screen capture by pressing the Home and power buttons at the same time, try starting to press the Home button slightly before the power button, but make sure you do not release it until you can release both buttons, and hear the camera shutter sound that indicates a successful screen capture. TextGrabber does very good OCR, and can process multiple languages -- even more than Prizmo. However, it is more sensitive to exact alignment of images than Prizmo, which is why I don't recommend it if you are trying to OCR from a camera shot, and you are not practiced in taking pictures for OCR without vision. Neither Prizmo nor TextGrabber requires you to orient your images with the top of the page up, and will work with upside-down or 90 degree rotated images; they just won't give good results if you hold your camera skewed. However, if document alignment is not an issue, because you're working from a screen capture or can use an external stand to align your pages, then TextGrabber works well, and you can set it up to OCR your camera roll images faster than you can with Prizmo. Configure TextGrabber by opening the app, and then flicking to the Settings VF button at the top of the screen, and double tapping. On the Settings screen, flick right to Enable Crop, which is the second entry under the Photo heading. By default this is set with Switch button, on. If so, double tap to ensure this is
Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
The person said scanned PDF. iBooks does not OCR scanned pages. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 15:29, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: iBooks can read most PDFs so there is no need for OCR . It is worth a try. Chuck On Mar 13, 6:49 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: iBooks does not OCR. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 14:28, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: Have you tried to open the PDFs in iBooks? I know it can read some PDFs, but I am not sure if the type you are talking about will work. Just a thought, Chuck On Mar 13, 4:19 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: You need to use an OCR package. Voice Dream Reader is not an OCR package. Prizmo can OCR images from your camera roll. For this solution to work, you need to get the PDF page image into the camera roll. 1) Open the PDF file. I do this from directly in mail. 2) Press home and power buttons at the same time to take a screen shot of the first page of the image. The screen shot will be the last photo in your photo album. If there are more than one page in the PDF file: 3) use a three finger flick up to advance the PDF image to the next page. Follow steps 2 and 3 until pictures have been captured of the entire PDF. 4) Open Prizmo and select text. 5) Select the OCR from image option. 6) Remember how many images you captured and count back that many images, or start with an empty photo book. Follow the prompts to OCR the images and save the resulting text files. You will get a separate file for each page. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 11:06, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I'm just wondering if anyone has found a way to take an image based pdf file and turn it in to text from an IOS device? I've got text books from the college that come as image based pdf files and would like to be able to read them on my iPhone 5 or iPad 2 instead of the computer. I can do this, but that requires me to use a computer first to OCR the images of the pages and then save them as text or rtf files. It'd be nice to skip this step if possible, and would allow me to study from an IOS device more effectively. Does VoiceDream maybe do this? Thanks for any opinions and suggestions. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to
Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
Yes, iBooks and mail are the best PDF readers I've ever worked with. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 17:05, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: OK, Matthew, I have had some PDFs that do not read on my desktop, so I emailed them to myself and they would read in Ibooks. I don't know why. Personally, I hate PDFs. Chuck On Mar 13, 7:47 pm, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Chuck. Sadly, iBooks will not work in this situation. It will of course display the text, but since that text is actually an image, there is no way to read it with VoiceOver. Thanks for the suggestion though. On 2013-03-13, at 10:29 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: iBooks can read most PDFs so there is no need for OCR . It is worth a try. Chuck On Mar 13, 6:49 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: iBooks does not OCR. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 14:28, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: Have you tried to open the PDFs in iBooks? I know it can read some PDFs, but I am not sure if the type you are talking about will work. Just a thought, Chuck On Mar 13, 4:19 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: You need to use an OCR package. Voice Dream Reader is not an OCR package. Prizmo can OCR images from your camera roll. For this solution to work, you need to get the PDF page image into the camera roll. 1) Open the PDF file. I do this from directly in mail. 2) Press home and power buttons at the same time to take a screen shot of the first page of the image. The screen shot will be the last photo in your photo album. If there are more than one page in the PDF file: 3) use a three finger flick up to advance the PDF image to the next page. Follow steps 2 and 3 until pictures have been captured of the entire PDF. 4) Open Prizmo and select text. 5) Select the OCR from image option. 6) Remember how many images you captured and count back that many images, or start with an empty photo book. Follow the prompts to OCR the images and save the resulting text files. You will get a separate file for each page. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 11:06, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I'm just wondering if anyone has found a way to take an image based pdf file and turn it in to text from an IOS device? I've got text books from the college that come as image based pdf files and would like to be able to read them on my iPhone 5 or iPad 2 instead of the computer. I can do this, but that requires me to use a computer first to OCR the images of the pages and then save them as text or rtf files. It'd be nice to skip this step if possible, and would allow me to study from an IOS device more effectively. Does VoiceDream maybe do this? Thanks for any opinions and suggestions. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group
Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
I wouldn't want to do it, but you could take a screen capture of every page by pressing the home and power button simultaneously. This will save an image of each page to your camera role. You could then use prismo to ocr the images. It would work, but would be quite time consuming. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 1:35 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: The original question asked about image based PDF's, so I suspect OCR will be involved, but of course, there's no harm in trying iBooks. On 03/13/2013 09:29 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: iBooks can read most PDFs so there is no need for OCR . It is worth a try. Chuck On Mar 13, 6:49 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: iBooks does not OCR. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 14:28, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: Have you tried to open the PDFs in iBooks? I know it can read some PDFs, but I am not sure if the type you are talking about will work. Just a thought, Chuck On Mar 13, 4:19 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: You need to use an OCR package. Voice Dream Reader is not an OCR package. Prizmo can OCR images from your camera roll. For this solution to work, you need to get the PDF page image into the camera roll. 1) Open the PDF file. I do this from directly in mail. 2) Press home and power buttons at the same time to take a screen shot of the first page of the image. The screen shot will be the last photo in your photo album. If there are more than one page in the PDF file: 3) use a three finger flick up to advance the PDF image to the next page. Follow steps 2 and 3 until pictures have been captured of the entire PDF. 4) Open Prizmo and select text. 5) Select the OCR from image option. 6) Remember how many images you captured and count back that many images, or start with an empty photo book. Follow the prompts to OCR the images and save the resulting text files. You will get a separate file for each page. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 11:06, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I'm just wondering if anyone has found a way to take an image based pdf file and turn it in to text from an IOS device? I've got text books from the college that come as image based pdf files and would like to be able to read them on my iPhone 5 or iPad 2 instead of the computer. I can do this, but that requires me to use a computer first to OCR the images of the pages and then save them as text or rtf files. It'd be nice to skip this step if possible, and would allow me to study from an IOS device more effectively. Does VoiceDream maybe do this? Thanks for any opinions and suggestions. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this
Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
Hi Brett, Matthew, David, Chuck, and Others, The problem is that none of the current iOS OCR programs can input from a PDF file, so the current workaround involves displaying the PDF on the screen and doing a screen capture. Then, you need to use an OCR program that lets you input from your camera roll. David gave the steps for Prizmo (appended below my post). However, if you really want to do an OCR from PDF files, I'd recommend using TextGrabber + Translator by ABBYY instead, because it will involve fewer steps, and also give you slightly better OCR results if you work from screen captures. Remember that if you are taking screen shots that your screen curtain must be turned off, and your display brightness must be turned up at least above 30 percent. Also, if you have difficulty taking a screen capture by pressing the Home and power buttons at the same time, try starting to press the Home button slightly before the power button, but make sure you do not release it until you can release both buttons, and hear the camera shutter sound that indicates a successful screen capture. TextGrabber does very good OCR, and can process multiple languages -- even more than Prizmo. However, it is more sensitive to exact alignment of images than Prizmo, which is why I don't recommend it if you are trying to OCR from a camera shot, and you are not practiced in taking pictures for OCR without vision. Neither Prizmo nor TextGrabber requires you to orient your images with the top of the page up, and will work with upside-down or 90 degree rotated images; they just won't give good results if you hold your camera skewed. However, if document alignment is not an issue, because you're working from a screen capture or can use an external stand to align your pages, then TextGrabber works well, and you can set it up to OCR your camera roll images faster than you can with Prizmo. Configure TextGrabber by opening the app, and then flicking to the Settings VF button at the top of the screen, and double tapping. On the Settings screen, flick right to Enable Crop, which is the second entry under the Photo heading. By default this is set with Switch button, on. If so, double tap to ensure this is set to Switch button, off. Since cropping images requires interactive sighted adjustment which you won't use, and since your PDF images should already be selected to maximize the content over the screen area, you don't want to use this setting. Turning it off wlll allow you to skip processing steps, which you cannot do with Prizmo. If you want to add OCR recogniztion languages, you can double tap Recognition Languages and select additional languages from the alphabetical list of languages by double tapping, then double tap the Done button in the top right corner to exit the Recognition Languages screen. Exit the Settings screen by double tapping the Done button in the top right corner. Now when you want to OCR an image, double tap the Album button on the main screen and select your image fromt the camera roll. I navigate by moving to the last element with a four finger tap on the bottom of the screen and then a flick left to Album. On the camera roll, I also usually move to the last element on the screen, and flick left, to get the last image. The nice thing about this TextGrabber configuration is that once you double tap to select an image from your camera roll, you just need to wait a few seconds, and the app immediately processes the image, and you'll hear Camera button -- i.e., the back button for returning to the camera screen -- when it's done. You can just flick right to read the OCR'd results. If the OCR process takes a while, the intermediate processing screen will say recognition if you move to the last element in the bottom right corner. With Prizmo, you have to keep double tapping the Next button in the top right corner to take it through the prcessing steps to reach the final result. After viewing the OCR results, I usually just double tap the menu button in the bottom right corner of the screen, then flick left to copy and double tap. Or, you could email the results to yourself. One final comment: ABBYY now has loads of iOS apps out there that sound as though they might be the one you want, so it's very confusing. The correct app to use for this is: • TextGrabber + Translator (currently $4.99) by ABBYY https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/textgrabber/id438475005?mt=8 The other thing is that the price for the TextGrabber app has been bouncing around like crazy in recent months, with high values of $14.99, and a few occasional low values of $0.99. Just two days ago this was $5.99. It has been as high as $19.99. I no longer bother to announce when this app goes down in price, since most people won't use this app. Maybe this will change with the StandScan Pro. There's an earlier write-up of this information in my comment to an AppleVis forum post: • Re: Prizmo Question
Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
Hi Esther, Once again I have to thank you for your incredible knowledge of the iPhone and its workings. I also prefer Text Grabber and I have asked for a StandScan Pro for my birthday, which is two weeks from tomorrow. No need to send presents. :) Have you tried Text Grabber with the StandScan Pro? Chuck On Mar 14, 2:49 pm, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Brett, Matthew, David, Chuck, and Others, The problem is that none of the current iOS OCR programs can input from a PDF file, so the current workaround involves displaying the PDF on the screen and doing a screen capture. Then, you need to use an OCR program that lets you input from your camera roll. David gave the steps for Prizmo (appended below my post). However, if you really want to do an OCR from PDF files, I'd recommend using TextGrabber + Translator by ABBYY instead, because it will involve fewer steps, and also give you slightly better OCR results if you work from screen captures. Remember that if you are taking screen shots that your screen curtain must be turned off, and your display brightness must be turned up at least above 30 percent. Also, if you have difficulty taking a screen capture by pressing the Home and power buttons at the same time, try starting to press the Home button slightly before the power button, but make sure you do not release it until you can release both buttons, and hear the camera shutter sound that indicates a successful screen capture. TextGrabber does very good OCR, and can process multiple languages -- even more than Prizmo. However, it is more sensitive to exact alignment of images than Prizmo, which is why I don't recommend it if you are trying to OCR from a camera shot, and you are not practiced in taking pictures for OCR without vision. Neither Prizmo nor TextGrabber requires you to orient your images with the top of the page up, and will work with upside-down or 90 degree rotated images; they just won't give good results if you hold your camera skewed. However, if document alignment is not an issue, because you're working from a screen capture or can use an external stand to align your pages, then TextGrabber works well, and you can set it up to OCR your camera roll images faster than you can with Prizmo. Configure TextGrabber by opening the app, and then flicking to the Settings VF button at the top of the screen, and double tapping. On the Settings screen, flick right to Enable Crop, which is the second entry under the Photo heading. By default this is set with Switch button, on. If so, double tap to ensure this is set to Switch button, off. Since cropping images requires interactive sighted adjustment which you won't use, and since your PDF images should already be selected to maximize the content over the screen area, you don't want to use this setting. Turning it off wlll allow you to skip processing steps, which you cannot do with Prizmo. If you want to add OCR recogniztion languages, you can double tap Recognition Languages and select additional languages from the alphabetical list of languages by double tapping, then double tap the Done button in the top right corner to exit the Recognition Languages screen. Exit the Settings screen by double tapping the Done button in the top right corner. Now when you want to OCR an image, double tap the Album button on the main screen and select your image fromt the camera roll. I navigate by moving to the last element with a four finger tap on the bottom of the screen and then a flick left to Album. On the camera roll, I also usually move to the last element on the screen, and flick left, to get the last image. The nice thing about this TextGrabber configuration is that once you double tap to select an image from your camera roll, you just need to wait a few seconds, and the app immediately processes the image, and you'll hear Camera button -- i.e., the back button for returning to the camera screen -- when it's done. You can just flick right to read the OCR'd results. If the OCR process takes a while, the intermediate processing screen will say recognition if you move to the last element in the bottom right corner. With Prizmo, you have to keep double tapping the Next button in the top right corner to take it through the prcessing steps to reach the final result. After viewing the OCR results, I usually just double tap the menu button in the bottom right corner of the screen, then flick left to copy and double tap. Or, you could email the results to yourself. One final comment: ABBYY now has loads of iOS apps out there that sound as though they might be the one you want, so it's very confusing. The correct app to use for this is: • TextGrabber + Translator (currently $4.99) by ABBYYhttps://itunes.apple.com/us/app/textgrabber/id438475005?mt=8 The other thing is that the price for the TextGrabber app has been bouncing around like crazy in recent months, with
Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
You need to use an OCR package. Voice Dream Reader is not an OCR package. Prizmo can OCR images from your camera roll. For this solution to work, you need to get the PDF page image into the camera roll. 1) Open the PDF file. I do this from directly in mail. 2) Press home and power buttons at the same time to take a screen shot of the first page of the image. The screen shot will be the last photo in your photo album. If there are more than one page in the PDF file: 3) use a three finger flick up to advance the PDF image to the next page. Follow steps 2 and 3 until pictures have been captured of the entire PDF. 4) Open Prizmo and select text. 5) Select the OCR from image option. 6) Remember how many images you captured and count back that many images, or start with an empty photo book. Follow the prompts to OCR the images and save the resulting text files. You will get a separate file for each page. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 11:06, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I'm just wondering if anyone has found a way to take an image based pdf file and turn it in to text from an IOS device? I've got text books from the college that come as image based pdf files and would like to be able to read them on my iPhone 5 or iPad 2 instead of the computer. I can do this, but that requires me to use a computer first to OCR the images of the pages and then save them as text or rtf files. It'd be nice to skip this step if possible, and would allow me to study from an IOS device more effectively. Does VoiceDream maybe do this? Thanks for any opinions and suggestions. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
Have you tried to open the PDFs in iBooks? I know it can read some PDFs, but I am not sure if the type you are talking about will work. Just a thought, Chuck On Mar 13, 4:19 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: You need to use an OCR package. Voice Dream Reader is not an OCR package. Prizmo can OCR images from your camera roll. For this solution to work, you need to get the PDF page image into the camera roll. 1) Open the PDF file. I do this from directly in mail. 2) Press home and power buttons at the same time to take a screen shot of the first page of the image. The screen shot will be the last photo in your photo album. If there are more than one page in the PDF file: 3) use a three finger flick up to advance the PDF image to the next page. Follow steps 2 and 3 until pictures have been captured of the entire PDF. 4) Open Prizmo and select text. 5) Select the OCR from image option. 6) Remember how many images you captured and count back that many images, or start with an empty photo book. Follow the prompts to OCR the images and save the resulting text files. You will get a separate file for each page. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 11:06, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I'm just wondering if anyone has found a way to take an image based pdf file and turn it in to text from an IOS device? I've got text books from the college that come as image based pdf files and would like to be able to read them on my iPhone 5 or iPad 2 instead of the computer. I can do this, but that requires me to use a computer first to OCR the images of the pages and then save them as text or rtf files. It'd be nice to skip this step if possible, and would allow me to study from an IOS device more effectively. Does VoiceDream maybe do this? Thanks for any opinions and suggestions. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
iBooks does not OCR. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 14:28, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: Have you tried to open the PDFs in iBooks? I know it can read some PDFs, but I am not sure if the type you are talking about will work. Just a thought, Chuck On Mar 13, 4:19 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: You need to use an OCR package. Voice Dream Reader is not an OCR package. Prizmo can OCR images from your camera roll. For this solution to work, you need to get the PDF page image into the camera roll. 1) Open the PDF file. I do this from directly in mail. 2) Press home and power buttons at the same time to take a screen shot of the first page of the image. The screen shot will be the last photo in your photo album. If there are more than one page in the PDF file: 3) use a three finger flick up to advance the PDF image to the next page. Follow steps 2 and 3 until pictures have been captured of the entire PDF. 4) Open Prizmo and select text. 5) Select the OCR from image option. 6) Remember how many images you captured and count back that many images, or start with an empty photo book. Follow the prompts to OCR the images and save the resulting text files. You will get a separate file for each page. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 11:06, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I'm just wondering if anyone has found a way to take an image based pdf file and turn it in to text from an IOS device? I've got text books from the college that come as image based pdf files and would like to be able to read them on my iPhone 5 or iPad 2 instead of the computer. I can do this, but that requires me to use a computer first to OCR the images of the pages and then save them as text or rtf files. It'd be nice to skip this step if possible, and would allow me to study from an IOS device more effectively. Does VoiceDream maybe do this? Thanks for any opinions and suggestions. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
iBooks can read most PDFs so there is no need for OCR . It is worth a try. Chuck On Mar 13, 6:49 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: iBooks does not OCR. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 14:28, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: Have you tried to open the PDFs in iBooks? I know it can read some PDFs, but I am not sure if the type you are talking about will work. Just a thought, Chuck On Mar 13, 4:19 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: You need to use an OCR package. Voice Dream Reader is not an OCR package. Prizmo can OCR images from your camera roll. For this solution to work, you need to get the PDF page image into the camera roll. 1) Open the PDF file. I do this from directly in mail. 2) Press home and power buttons at the same time to take a screen shot of the first page of the image. The screen shot will be the last photo in your photo album. If there are more than one page in the PDF file: 3) use a three finger flick up to advance the PDF image to the next page. Follow steps 2 and 3 until pictures have been captured of the entire PDF. 4) Open Prizmo and select text. 5) Select the OCR from image option. 6) Remember how many images you captured and count back that many images, or start with an empty photo book. Follow the prompts to OCR the images and save the resulting text files. You will get a separate file for each page. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 11:06, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I'm just wondering if anyone has found a way to take an image based pdf file and turn it in to text from an IOS device? I've got text books from the college that come as image based pdf files and would like to be able to read them on my iPhone 5 or iPad 2 instead of the computer. I can do this, but that requires me to use a computer first to OCR the images of the pages and then save them as text or rtf files. It'd be nice to skip this step if possible, and would allow me to study from an IOS device more effectively. Does VoiceDream maybe do this? Thanks for any opinions and suggestions. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
The original question asked about image based PDF's, so I suspect OCR will be involved, but of course, there's no harm in trying iBooks. On 03/13/2013 09:29 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: iBooks can read most PDFs so there is no need for OCR . It is worth a try. Chuck On Mar 13, 6:49 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: iBooks does not OCR. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 14:28, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: Have you tried to open the PDFs in iBooks? I know it can read some PDFs, but I am not sure if the type you are talking about will work. Just a thought, Chuck On Mar 13, 4:19 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: You need to use an OCR package. Voice Dream Reader is not an OCR package. Prizmo can OCR images from your camera roll. For this solution to work, you need to get the PDF page image into the camera roll. 1) Open the PDF file. I do this from directly in mail. 2) Press home and power buttons at the same time to take a screen shot of the first page of the image. The screen shot will be the last photo in your photo album. If there are more than one page in the PDF file: 3) use a three finger flick up to advance the PDF image to the next page. Follow steps 2 and 3 until pictures have been captured of the entire PDF. 4) Open Prizmo and select text. 5) Select the OCR from image option. 6) Remember how many images you captured and count back that many images, or start with an empty photo book. Follow the prompts to OCR the images and save the resulting text files. You will get a separate file for each page. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 11:06, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I'm just wondering if anyone has found a way to take an image based pdf file and turn it in to text from an IOS device? I've got text books from the college that come as image based pdf files and would like to be able to read them on my iPhone 5 or iPad 2 instead of the computer. I can do this, but that requires me to use a computer first to OCR the images of the pages and then save them as text or rtf files. It'd be nice to skip this step if possible, and would allow me to study from an IOS device more effectively. Does VoiceDream maybe do this? Thanks for any opinions and suggestions. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
I am also assuming that he has the PDF files and not the print out. Chuck On Mar 13, 7:35 pm, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: The original question asked about image based PDF's, so I suspect OCR will be involved, but of course, there's no harm in trying iBooks. On 03/13/2013 09:29 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: iBooks can read most PDFs so there is no need for OCR . It is worth a try. Chuck On Mar 13, 6:49 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: iBooks does not OCR. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 14:28, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: Have you tried to open the PDFs in iBooks? I know it can read some PDFs, but I am not sure if the type you are talking about will work. Just a thought, Chuck On Mar 13, 4:19 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: You need to use an OCR package. Voice Dream Reader is not an OCR package. Prizmo can OCR images from your camera roll. For this solution to work, you need to get the PDF page image into the camera roll. 1) Open the PDF file. I do this from directly in mail. 2) Press home and power buttons at the same time to take a screen shot of the first page of the image. The screen shot will be the last photo in your photo album. If there are more than one page in the PDF file: 3) use a three finger flick up to advance the PDF image to the next page. Follow steps 2 and 3 until pictures have been captured of the entire PDF. 4) Open Prizmo and select text. 5) Select the OCR from image option. 6) Remember how many images you captured and count back that many images, or start with an empty photo book. Follow the prompts to OCR the images and save the resulting text files. You will get a separate file for each page. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 11:06, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I'm just wondering if anyone has found a way to take an image based pdf file and turn it in to text from an IOS device? I've got text books from the college that come as image based pdf files and would like to be able to read them on my iPhone 5 or iPad 2 instead of the computer. I can do this, but that requires me to use a computer first to OCR the images of the pages and then save them as text or rtf files. It'd be nice to skip this step if possible, and would allow me to study from an IOS device more effectively. Does VoiceDream maybe do this? Thanks for any opinions and suggestions. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
Hello Chuck. Sadly, iBooks will not work in this situation. It will of course display the text, but since that text is actually an image, there is no way to read it with VoiceOver. Thanks for the suggestion though. On 2013-03-13, at 10:29 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: iBooks can read most PDFs so there is no need for OCR . It is worth a try. Chuck On Mar 13, 6:49 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: iBooks does not OCR. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 14:28, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: Have you tried to open the PDFs in iBooks? I know it can read some PDFs, but I am not sure if the type you are talking about will work. Just a thought, Chuck On Mar 13, 4:19 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: You need to use an OCR package. Voice Dream Reader is not an OCR package. Prizmo can OCR images from your camera roll. For this solution to work, you need to get the PDF page image into the camera roll. 1) Open the PDF file. I do this from directly in mail. 2) Press home and power buttons at the same time to take a screen shot of the first page of the image. The screen shot will be the last photo in your photo album. If there are more than one page in the PDF file: 3) use a three finger flick up to advance the PDF image to the next page. Follow steps 2 and 3 until pictures have been captured of the entire PDF. 4) Open Prizmo and select text. 5) Select the OCR from image option. 6) Remember how many images you captured and count back that many images, or start with an empty photo book. Follow the prompts to OCR the images and save the resulting text files. You will get a separate file for each page. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 11:06, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I'm just wondering if anyone has found a way to take an image based pdf file and turn it in to text from an IOS device? I've got text books from the college that come as image based pdf files and would like to be able to read them on my iPhone 5 or iPad 2 instead of the computer. I can do this, but that requires me to use a computer first to OCR the images of the pages and then save them as text or rtf files. It'd be nice to skip this step if possible, and would allow me to study from an IOS device more effectively. Does VoiceDream maybe do this? Thanks for any opinions and suggestions. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit
Re: OCR of PDFs on my iDevice. Can this be done?
OK, Matthew, I have had some PDFs that do not read on my desktop, so I emailed them to myself and they would read in Ibooks. I don't know why. Personally, I hate PDFs. Chuck On Mar 13, 7:47 pm, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Chuck. Sadly, iBooks will not work in this situation. It will of course display the text, but since that text is actually an image, there is no way to read it with VoiceOver. Thanks for the suggestion though. On 2013-03-13, at 10:29 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: iBooks can read most PDFs so there is no need for OCR . It is worth a try. Chuck On Mar 13, 6:49 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: iBooks does not OCR. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 14:28, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: Have you tried to open the PDFs in iBooks? I know it can read some PDFs, but I am not sure if the type you are talking about will work. Just a thought, Chuck On Mar 13, 4:19 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: You need to use an OCR package. Voice Dream Reader is not an OCR package. Prizmo can OCR images from your camera roll. For this solution to work, you need to get the PDF page image into the camera roll. 1) Open the PDF file. I do this from directly in mail. 2) Press home and power buttons at the same time to take a screen shot of the first page of the image. The screen shot will be the last photo in your photo album. If there are more than one page in the PDF file: 3) use a three finger flick up to advance the PDF image to the next page. Follow steps 2 and 3 until pictures have been captured of the entire PDF. 4) Open Prizmo and select text. 5) Select the OCR from image option. 6) Remember how many images you captured and count back that many images, or start with an empty photo book. Follow the prompts to OCR the images and save the resulting text files. You will get a separate file for each page. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 11:06, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I'm just wondering if anyone has found a way to take an image based pdf file and turn it in to text from an IOS device? I've got text books from the college that come as image based pdf files and would like to be able to read them on my iPhone 5 or iPad 2 instead of the computer. I can do this, but that requires me to use a computer first to OCR the images of the pages and then save them as text or rtf files. It'd be nice to skip this step if possible, and would allow me to study from an IOS device more effectively. Does VoiceDream maybe do this? Thanks for any opinions and suggestions. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visithttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving
Re: OCR for PDFs
Ester Have you tried Abbyy Fine reader? I'm just asking because it works well on PDFs on the Mac. There is an app for iPad and iPhone but I haven't tried it yet. Nancy Nancy Badger, Ph.D Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors. On Feb 4, 2013, at 11:45 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Jodie and Holly, Short of using a web upload service that returns results to you at a later time, and which is easier to use from a desktop computer, my experience is the same as Jodie's. None of the current iOS OCR apps will work with PDF files -- it has to be a jpg or png image files. You have to take a screen capture of the page, and then run an OCR on the image from your camera roll with an app that lets you do this instead of taking a picture with your camera. I've had the best results with Prizmo and TextGrabber. Actually, the results doing it this way have been slightly better and faster with TextGrabber than with Prizmo, provided you turn off the switch for interactive crop in the TextGrabber settings. You do have to make sure that the screen's display brightness is turned up, and that your screen curtain is not on. You also have to process this page by page. Apart from this, if you have printed output, and are on the same wifi network as a wireless scanner or all-in-one printer with a scanner, the VueScan Mobile app by Hamrick software will let you command a scan in high resolution from your iPhone and save the results to your camera roll. You the have to run a separate OCR app again. but you could distribute the OCR'd text from the printed page(s) you scanned to a number to a number of people. VueScan Mobile also lets you work with wireless or AirPrint scanners with page feeders. I wrote a recent reply to this question in the AppleVis forums that gives details: http://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ios-app-discussion/prizmo-question HTH. Cheers, Esther On Feb 4, 3:34 pm, Jodie Hoger jodieho...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Holly. The only way I have been able to do this with an image of text emailed to me is to take a screen shot of the page which then saves it to the last item on my camera role. From here I can open my preferred ocr app - had best outcomes with prismo, and open the last item on the camera role and it will perform the ocr for me. it is a bit tricky and time consuming and you can only do one page at a time however it is the only work around for this issue for us at this moemnt in time. To take a screen shot of your iphone you hold the home key and power button at the same time. You will hear the camera shutter sound so you know you have taken the shot. Hope this is somewhat useful. Jo Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 7:34 AM, Holly thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know of an app that will allow me to import a PDF that is a scanned immage and perform OCR on it? Some of my school articles are like this, and I'd like a way to access them on my phone. Perhaps I'll send the Devs of Text Detective a request to add this feature. Thanks. Holly and Ajax -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: OCR for PDFs
Hello Nancy, TextGrabber, the program that I said worked slightly better and faster than Prizmo on screen captures, is actually ABBYY's OCR program for iOS devices. The full name is TextGrabber + Translator by ABBYY, but you get better search results in the app store if you just type in TextGrabber (one word with no spaces). It'sa bit confusing, because ABBYY has a number of apps that sound similar. For example, there's an ABBYY Business Card Reader that is specifically for OCR of business cards and creating entries in your contacts, an ABBYY Fine Reader Touch that lets you take pictures and create PDFs and documents by uploading your pictures to their on-line server. (But there's no immediate feedback through OCR to let you train your picture taking if you have no vision). And there's an ABBYY Finereader for the iPhone that lets you take pictures with your camera and create image documents as PDFs or JPGs (again, not readable by the visually impaired.) Also, the price of the TextGrabber app has been bouncing around a lot. It's gone down to $0.99 several times, but has been as high as $14.99, and was $9.99 for a while. right now it's $3.99. Prizmo is still better if you have to take a picture by hand, without any vision, because it will tolerate slightly more skewed pictures, and still work. But for screen captures, you don't need to worry about aligning the camera for the documents. Both Prizmo and TextGrabber work for other languages, too. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Feb 5, 2:55 am, Nancy Wyman nancywyma...@gmail.com wrote: Ester Have you tried Abbyy Fine reader? I'm just asking because it works well on PDFs on the Mac. There is an app for iPad and iPhone but I haven't tried it yet. Nancy Nancy Badger, Ph.D Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors. On Feb 4, 2013, at 11:45 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Jodie and Holly, Short of using a web upload service that returns results to you at a later time, and which is easier to use from a desktop computer, my experience is the same as Jodie's. None of the current iOS OCR apps will work with PDF files -- it has to be a jpg or png image files. You have to take a screen capture of the page, and then run an OCR on the image from your camera roll with an app that lets you do this instead of taking a picture with your camera. I've had the best results with Prizmo and TextGrabber. Actually, the results doing it this way have been slightly better and faster with TextGrabber than with Prizmo, provided you turn off the switch for interactive crop in the TextGrabber settings. You do have to make sure that the screen's display brightness is turned up, and that your screen curtain is not on. You also have to process this page by page. Apart from this, if you have printed output, and are on the same wifi network as a wireless scanner or all-in-one printer with a scanner, the VueScan Mobile app by Hamrick software will let you command a scan in high resolution from your iPhone and save the results to your camera roll. You the have to run a separate OCR app again. but you could distribute the OCR'd text from the printed page(s) you scanned to a number to a number of people. VueScan Mobile also lets you work with wireless or AirPrint scanners with page feeders. I wrote a recent reply to this question in the AppleVis forums that gives details: http://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ios-app-discussion/prizmo-question HTH. Cheers, Esther On Feb 4, 3:34 pm, Jodie Hoger jodieho...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Holly. The only way I have been able to do this with an image of text emailed to me is to take a screen shot of the page which then saves it to the last item on my camera role. From here I can open my preferred ocr app - had best outcomes with prismo, and open the last item on the camera role and it will perform the ocr for me. it is a bit tricky and time consuming and you can only do one page at a time however it is the only work around for this issue for us at this moemnt in time. To take a screen shot of your iphone you hold the home key and power button at the same time. You will hear the camera shutter sound so you know you have taken the shot. Hope this is somewhat useful. Jo Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 7:34 AM, Holly thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know of an app that will allow me to import a PDF that is a scanned immage and perform OCR on it? Some of my school articles are like this, and I'd like a way to access them on my phone. Perhaps I'll send the Devs of Text Detective a request to add this feature. Thanks. Holly and Ajax -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive,
Re: OCR for PDFs
Hi Holly. The only way I have been able to do this with an image of text emailed to me is to take a screen shot of the page which then saves it to the last item on my camera role. From here I can open my preferred ocr app - had best outcomes with prismo, and open the last item on the camera role and it will perform the ocr for me. it is a bit tricky and time consuming and you can only do one page at a time however it is the only work around for this issue for us at this moemnt in time. To take a screen shot of your iphone you hold the home key and power button at the same time. You will hear the camera shutter sound so you know you have taken the shot. Hope this is somewhat useful. Jo Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 7:34 AM, Holly thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know of an app that will allow me to import a PDF that is a scanned immage and perform OCR on it? Some of my school articles are like this, and I'd like a way to access them on my phone. Perhaps I'll send the Devs of Text Detective a request to add this feature. Thanks. Holly and Ajax -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Amy Buetron.vcf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: OCR for PDFs
Hi Jodie and Holly, Short of using a web upload service that returns results to you at a later time, and which is easier to use from a desktop computer, my experience is the same as Jodie's. None of the current iOS OCR apps will work with PDF files -- it has to be a jpg or png image files. You have to take a screen capture of the page, and then run an OCR on the image from your camera roll with an app that lets you do this instead of taking a picture with your camera. I've had the best results with Prizmo and TextGrabber. Actually, the results doing it this way have been slightly better and faster with TextGrabber than with Prizmo, provided you turn off the switch for interactive crop in the TextGrabber settings. You do have to make sure that the screen's display brightness is turned up, and that your screen curtain is not on. You also have to process this page by page. Apart from this, if you have printed output, and are on the same wifi network as a wireless scanner or all-in-one printer with a scanner, the VueScan Mobile app by Hamrick software will let you command a scan in high resolution from your iPhone and save the results to your camera roll. You the have to run a separate OCR app again. but you could distribute the OCR'd text from the printed page(s) you scanned to a number to a number of people. VueScan Mobile also lets you work with wireless or AirPrint scanners with page feeders. I wrote a recent reply to this question in the AppleVis forums that gives details: http://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ios-app-discussion/prizmo-question HTH. Cheers, Esther On Feb 4, 3:34 pm, Jodie Hoger jodieho...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Holly. The only way I have been able to do this with an image of text emailed to me is to take a screen shot of the page which then saves it to the last item on my camera role. From here I can open my preferred ocr app - had best outcomes with prismo, and open the last item on the camera role and it will perform the ocr for me. it is a bit tricky and time consuming and you can only do one page at a time however it is the only work around for this issue for us at this moemnt in time. To take a screen shot of your iphone you hold the home key and power button at the same time. You will hear the camera shutter sound so you know you have taken the shot. Hope this is somewhat useful. Jo Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 7:34 AM, Holly thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know of an app that will allow me to import a PDF that is a scanned immage and perform OCR on it? Some of my school articles are like this, and I'd like a way to access them on my phone. Perhaps I'll send the Devs of Text Detective a request to add this feature. Thanks. Holly and Ajax -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
