subject:"Re\: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13"

Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-20 Thread Dave


13.1, is released on the 24th, which should fix most of the bugs.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 5:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

I agree, as with every new release there are some bugs, but the 
accessibility improvements of iOS 13 are about as major as they have been in 
a very long time. Things like Activities and more ways to customize I think 
are all worth it.
And of course nobody can continue for all that long with older iOS versions, 
sure, you could probably run iOS 12 for another year, but while I can't 
remember which app update it was the other day, but one update already 
mentioned that they now dropped support for iOS 11 with that update and that 
was only 2 years ago.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Justin Harris

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 3:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Still not entirely sure why so many people are not wanting to update. Yes 
iOS was pretty buggy in those first few betas, but is pretty stable now. 
No major bugs come to mind. Final release seems just fine. I updated all 
my devices yesterday and have not had any problems at all for what that 
may be worth.


Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 09/20/2019, a la(s) 3:36 a. m., Dave  
escribió:


If you have your automatic updates off, and say remind me later,
there used to be another option to say no.

Then i would go and remove the downloaded update from my phone.

This always worked for me.

Dave.


-Original Message- From: Karen Poulakos
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the 
terms doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the 
message, and delay it for awhile.


Karen P
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Hello Richard,

This is great info.

Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with 
the terms of service.


Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming 
out and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple 
voiceover bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather 
sneaky way of overriding your settings to install updates when you don't 
want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but 
be aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's 
another step you will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install 
now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't 
want the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. 
At this point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact 
that you have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the 
couple of days after you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go 
back into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button 
has appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You 
need to double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update 
automatically. And all of this happens even though you've got your auto 
update set to off. Apple sure are keen to get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by 
this.



Richard

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RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

I agree, as with every new release there are some bugs, but the accessibility 
improvements of iOS 13 are about as major as they have been in a very long 
time. Things like Activities and more ways to customize I think are all worth 
it.
And of course nobody can continue for all that long with older iOS versions, 
sure, you could probably run iOS 12 for another year, but while I can't 
remember which app update it was the other day, but one update already 
mentioned that they now dropped support for iOS 11 with that update and that 
was only 2 years ago.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Justin 
Harris
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 3:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

> Still not entirely sure why so many people are not wanting to update. Yes iOS 
> was pretty buggy in those first few betas, but is pretty stable now. No major 
> bugs come to mind. Final release seems just fine. I updated all my devices 
> yesterday and have not had any problems at all for what that may be worth. 
> 
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
> 
> El 09/20/2019, a la(s) 3:36 a. m., Dave  escribió:
> 
> If you have your automatic updates off, and say remind me later, 
> there used to be another option to say no.
> 
> Then i would go and remove the downloaded update from my phone.
> 
> This always worked for me.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Karen Poulakos
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the terms 
> doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the message, 
> and delay it for awhile.
> 
> Karen P
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> Hello Richard,
> 
> This is great info.
> 
> Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
> permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
> terms of service.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
> To: ViPone list
> Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> A coworker sent me this.
> 
> Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
> and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
> bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
> overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
> If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
> turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
> aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
> step you will probably need to take.
> You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
> you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" 
> or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want 
> the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this 
> point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you 
> have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days 
> after you've seen the dialogue come up.
> So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
> into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
> appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
> double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
> all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
> sure are keen to get us updating.
> Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
> 
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RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

That is because the SE is basically a smaller 6S internally, it came out in the 
spring of 2016, about 6 month after the 6S/6S Plus came out in the fall of 2015.
Main difference between a 6S and an SE is that the SE did not have 3D touch and 
it still uses a first generation Touch Id home button whereas this was improved 
on the 6S.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 3:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

How strange that the 6 won't get the update. I have and IPhone SE  and I got 
the update.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Janet, you must have an iPhone 6s since the 6 will not get iOS 13.
Glad it is working.

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.

On Sep 19, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Janet Wright 
mailto:jan...@wrighthere.net>> wrote:

every thing is working good here i lost my voice over voice that i had for my 
old i phone so i had to redownload it but it kept all settings in my i phone 6
On 9/19/2019 3:57 PM, Feliciano Godoy wrote:
Hi,
I updated my iPhone 6s  to iOS 13. Thus far, everything seems to be working 
fine. I have not tried to use the iPhone with a Braille display or keyboard.hat 
I could say that doesn’t work right now, is  text selection on the native mail 
app When reading email. Other than that, everything looks good.

Feliciano
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On Sep 19, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Richard Turner 
<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out and 
lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover bugs, 
may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to turn 
off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be aware 
that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another step you 
will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if you 
want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" or 
"later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want the 
update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this point, 
the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have auto 
update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-20 Thread Davy Cuppens


Justin

many Belgian people lost their extended flemish voices. When just hovering 
over the screen, VO announces all the app under your finger but skips the 
first letter so: there are new apps like witter acebook nstagram and 
essages.
A lot of focus issues are reported from the mail app. VO does not announce 
any feedback for some external keyboards like f.e. mbraille. Reading mails 
by paragraphe is user independent not possible for some devices.

VO sometimes comes in very loud and weakens afterwards.
What I do not understand is why people always are so impatient nowing that 
already on september 24 a much more stable version ios13.1 will come out.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Justin Harris

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 12:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Still not entirely sure why so many people are not wanting to update. Yes 
iOS was pretty buggy in those first few betas, but is pretty stable now. 
No major bugs come to mind. Final release seems just fine. I updated all 
my devices yesterday and have not had any problems at all for what that 
may be worth.


Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 09/20/2019, a la(s) 3:36 a. m., Dave  
escribió:


If you have your automatic updates off, and say remind
me later, there used to be another option to say no.

Then i would go and remove the downloaded update from my phone.

This always worked for me.

Dave.


-Original Message- From: Karen Poulakos
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the 
terms doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the 
message, and delay it for awhile.


Karen P
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Hello Richard,

This is great info.

Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with 
the terms of service.


Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming 
out and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple 
voiceover bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather 
sneaky way of overriding your settings to install updates when you don't 
want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but 
be aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's 
another step you will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install 
now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't 
want the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. 
At this point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact 
that you have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the 
couple of days after you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go 
back into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button 
has appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You 
need to double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update 
automatically. And all of this happens even though you've got your auto 
update set to off. Apple sure are keen to get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by 
this.



Richard

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-20 Thread Shirley Baker

How would you remove the update? Would you go where it says software update and 
find it there to remove?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2019, at 3:36 AM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> If you have your automatic updates off, and say remind
> me later, there used to be another option to say no.
> 
> Then i would go and remove the downloaded update from my phone.
> 
> This always worked for me.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Karen Poulakos
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the terms 
> doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the message, 
> and delay it for awhile.
> 
> Karen P
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> Hello Richard,
> 
> This is great info.
> 
> Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
> permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
> terms of service.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
> To: ViPone list
> Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> A coworker sent me this.
> 
> Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
> and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
> bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
> overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
> If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
> turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
> aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
> step you will probably need to take.
> You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
> you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" 
> or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want 
> the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this 
> point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you 
> have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days 
> after you've seen the dialogue come up.
> So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
> into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
> appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
> double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
> all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
> sure are keen to get us updating.
> Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
> 
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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-20 Thread Gerardo Corripio

Updated my SE, and everything (including the native Mail app) working as it 
should! The phone even seems a bit snappier than with iOS11&12!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

> El 20 sep 2019, a la(s) 5:56 a. m., Justin Harris  
> escribió:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Still not entirely sure why so many people are not wanting to update. Yes 
>> iOS was pretty buggy in those first few betas, but is pretty stable now. No 
>> major bugs come to mind. Final release seems just fine. I updated all my 
>> devices yesterday and have not had any problems at all for what that may be 
>> worth. 
>> 
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>> 
>> El 09/20/2019, a la(s) 3:36 a. m., Dave  escribió:
>> 
>> If you have your automatic updates off, and say remind
>> me later, there used to be another option to say no.
>> 
>> Then i would go and remove the downloaded update from my phone.
>> 
>> This always worked for me.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Karen Poulakos
>> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:53 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
>> 
>> That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the terms 
>> doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the 
>> message, and delay it for awhile.
>> 
>> Karen P
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
>> 
>> Hello Richard,
>> 
>> This is great info.
>> 
>> Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
>> permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
>> terms of service.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
>> To: ViPone list
>> Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
>> 
>> A coworker sent me this.
>> 
>> Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
>> and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
>> bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
>> overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
>> If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
>> turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
>> aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
>> step you will probably need to take.
>> You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
>> you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install 
>> now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't 
>> want the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At 
>> this point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that 
>> you have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of 
>> days after you've seen the dialogue come up.
>> So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
>> into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
>> appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
>> double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
>> all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. 
>> Apple sure are keen to get us updating.
>> Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-20 Thread Justin Harris

> Still not entirely sure why so many people are not wanting to update. Yes iOS 
> was pretty buggy in those first few betas, but is pretty stable now. No major 
> bugs come to mind. Final release seems just fine. I updated all my devices 
> yesterday and have not had any problems at all for what that may be worth. 
> 
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
> 
> El 09/20/2019, a la(s) 3:36 a. m., Dave  escribió:
> 
> If you have your automatic updates off, and say remind
> me later, there used to be another option to say no.
> 
> Then i would go and remove the downloaded update from my phone.
> 
> This always worked for me.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Karen Poulakos
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the terms 
> doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the message, 
> and delay it for awhile.
> 
> Karen P
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> Hello Richard,
> 
> This is great info.
> 
> Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
> permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
> terms of service.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
> To: ViPone list
> Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> A coworker sent me this.
> 
> Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
> and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
> bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
> overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
> If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
> turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
> aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
> step you will probably need to take.
> You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
> you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" 
> or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want 
> the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this 
> point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you 
> have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days 
> after you've seen the dialogue come up.
> So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
> into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
> appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
> double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
> all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
> sure are keen to get us updating.
> Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-20 Thread Dave


If you have your automatic updates off, and say remind
me later, there used to be another option to say no.

Then i would go and remove the downloaded update from my phone.

This always worked for me.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Karen Poulakos

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the terms 
doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the 
message, and delay it for awhile.


Karen P
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Hello Richard,

This is great info.

Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
terms of service.


Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
step you will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install 
now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't 
want the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At 
this point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that 
you have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of 
days after you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. 
Apple sure are keen to get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by 
this.



Richard

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-20 Thread Dave


Hi Mark, this is true.

Also, if you find it has downloaded to your device, it used to be possible 
to delete the download from your phone. But not sure if this is still the 
case.


This would give you your space back, and also stop it installing.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: M. Taylor

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Hello Richard,

This is great info.

Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
terms of service.


Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
step you will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install 
now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't 
want the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At 
this point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that 
you have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of 
days after you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. 
Apple sure are keen to get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by 
this.



Richard

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RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-20 Thread Robert Wright

I think I must have accidently hit something because I never get any 
notifications on upgrades. I learn about them from this list.

**If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
learning start?*** 

From: M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 7:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Hello Richard,

This is great info.

Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
terms of service.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out and 
lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover bugs, 
may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them. 
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to turn 
off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be aware 
that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another step you 
will probably need to take. 
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if you 
want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" or 
"later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want the 
update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this point, 
the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have auto 
update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up. 
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating. 
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.

Richard 

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread B. J. Maynard

hi, 

I think ios updates have worked like this for  while. If you explore the screen 
after you tap later  and it prompts you to enter your pin it'll say somewhere 
(I forget if above or below the number pad)  will update between 2 and 4 am.  
If you don't explore the screen however this is not   spoken.  I agree with 
mark however if you don't wanna update just decline the terms of use and it'll 
go away for a while.  

Could this have been ios 11 or maybe 12 this feature was introdused I remmeber 
other talk about it before and updating.  

B. J. Maynardexplore after 
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  Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13


  A coworker sent me this.



  Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them. 
  If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
step you will probably need to take. 
  You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" 
or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want the 
update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this point, 
the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have auto 
update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up. 
  So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating. 
  Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.






  Richard 


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RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread Karen Poulakos

That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the terms 
doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the message, 
and delay it for awhile.

Karen P
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Hello Richard,

This is great info.

Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
terms of service.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out and 
lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover bugs, 
may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them. 
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to turn 
off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be aware 
that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another step you 
will probably need to take. 
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if you 
want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" or 
"later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want the 
update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this point, 
the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have auto 
update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up. 
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating. 
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.

Richard 

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RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread M. Taylor

Hello Richard,

This is great info.

Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
terms of service.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out and 
lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover bugs, 
may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them. 
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to turn 
off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be aware 
that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another step you 
will probably need to take. 
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if you 
want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" or 
"later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want the 
update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this point, 
the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have auto 
update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up. 
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating. 
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.
 

Richard 

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread Feliciano Godoy

The iPhone 6 released on September 2014 while the iPhone SE released on March 
2016. The iPhone 6 and the older devices  didn’t have the hardware to support 
iOS 13.


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On Sep 19, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Vicki W.  wrote:


How strange that the 6 won't get the update. I have and IPhone SE  and I got 
the update.
- Original Message -
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Janet, you must have an iPhone 6s since the 6 will not get iOS 13.
Glad it is working.


Richard

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On Sep 19, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Janet Wright 
mailto:jan...@wrighthere.net>> wrote:



every thing is working good here i lost my voice over voice that i had for my 
old i phone so i had to redownload it but it kept all settings in my i phone 6

On 9/19/2019 3:57 PM, Feliciano Godoy wrote:
Hi,
I updated my iPhone 6s  to iOS 13. Thus far, everything seems to be working 
fine. I have not tried to use the iPhone with a Braille display or keyboard.hat 
I could say that doesn’t work right now, is  text selection on the native mail 
app When reading email. Other than that, everything looks good.


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On Sep 19, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Richard Turner 
<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:


A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out and 
lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover bugs, 
may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to turn 
off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be aware 
that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another step you 
will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if you 
want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" or 
"later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want the 
update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this point, 
the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have auto 
update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.


Richard

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread Dave

The SE, is a later phone, than the iPhone 6.

Dave.

From: Vicki W. 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

How strange that the 6 won't get the update. I have and IPhone SE  and I got 
the update. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 3:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

  Janet, you must have an iPhone 6s since the 6 will not get iOS 13. 
  Glad it is working.

  Richard 

  Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 

On Sep 19, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Janet Wright  wrote:

every thing is working good here i lost my voice over voice that i had for 
my old i phone so i had to redownload it but it kept all settings in my i phone 
6 

On 9/19/2019 3:57 PM, Feliciano Godoy wrote:

  Hi, 
  I updated my iPhone 6s  to iOS 13. Thus far, everything seems to be 
working fine. I have not tried to use the iPhone with a Braille display or 
keyboard.hat I could say that doesn’t work right now, is  text selection on the 
native mail app When reading email. Other than that, everything looks good.

  Feliciano 
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On Sep 19, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com wrote:

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming 
out and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them. 
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button 
to turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
step you will probably need to take. 
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking 
if you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install 
now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want 
the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this 
point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have 
auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up. 
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go 
back into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating. 
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by 
this.

Richard 

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread Mike B.

Hi Richard,

Thank you very much for this tip.  Sure sounds like Microsoft when they were 
trying to sneak Windows 10 past Windows 7 users through their update 
process.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that 
somebody screwed up.
- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: ViPone list
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13


A coworker sent me this.



Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
step you will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install 
now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't 
want the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At 
this point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that 
you have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of 
days after you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. 
Apple sure are keen to get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by 
this.






Richard


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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread Wayne Scott

O 6 won’t support update. The SE will. 

Wayne Scott "Everything happens in God's chime." 
 

> On Sep 19, 2019, at 4:34 PM, Vicki W.  wrote:
> 
> How strange that the 6 won't get the update. I have and IPhone SE  and I got 
> the update.
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 3:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> Janet, you must have an iPhone 6s since the 6 will not get iOS 13.
> Glad it is working.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Janet Wright  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> every thing is working good here i lost my voice over voice that i had for 
>> my old i phone so i had to redownload it but it kept all settings in my i 
>> phone 6 
>> 
>>> On 9/19/2019 3:57 PM, Feliciano Godoy wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I updated my iPhone 6s  to iOS 13. Thus far, everything seems to be working 
>>> fine. I have not tried to use the iPhone with a Braille display or 
>>> keyboard.hat I could say that doesn’t work right now, is  text selection on 
>>> the native mail app When reading email. Other than that, everything looks 
>>> good.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Feliciano
>>> For tech tips and updates: 
>>> LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
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>>> who do. -Steve Jobs 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 19, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A coworker sent me this.
>>>> 
>>>> Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming 
>>>> out and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple 
>>>> voiceover bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather 
>>>> sneaky way of overriding your settings to install updates when you don't 
>>>> want them. 
>>>> If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
>>>> turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but 
>>>> be aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's 
>>>> another step you will probably need to take. 
>>>> You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
>>>> you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install 
>>>> now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't 
>>>> want the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. 
>>>> At this point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact 
>>>> that you have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the 
>>>> couple of days after you've seen the dialogue come up. 
>>>> So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go 
>>>> back into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button 
>>>> has appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You 
>>>> need to double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update 
>>>> automatically. And all of this happens even though you've got your auto 
>>>> update set to off. Apple sure are keen to get us updating. 
>>>> Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by 
>>>> this.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
>>>> 
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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread Robin


that's NOT strange at all, as the iPhoneSE was Released in the Spring  of 2016
&
Apple's iPhone6 & iPhone6+  were Released in the Fall of 2014
At 03:34 PM 9/19/2019, you wrote:
How strange that the 6 won't get the update. I 
have and IPhone SE  and I got the update.

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>Richard Turner
To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Janet, you must have an iPhone 6s since the 6 will not get iOS 13.
Glad it is working.


Richard

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On Sep 19, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Janet Wright 
<<mailto:jan...@wrighthere.net>jan...@wrighthere.net> wrote:


ï»¿

every thing is working good here i lost my 
voice over voice that i had for my old i phone 
so i had to redownload it but it kept all settings in my i phone 6

On 9/19/2019 3:57 PM, Feliciano Godoy wrote:

Hi,
I updated my iPhone 6s  to iOS 13. Thus far, 
everything seems to be working fine. I have 
not tried to use the iPhone with a Braille 
display or keyboard.hat I could say that 
doesnâ€™t work right now, is  text selection 
on the native mail app When reading email. 
Other than that, everything looks good.



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On Sep 19, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Richard Turner 
<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:


ï»¿
A coworker sent me this.


Info from another group worth noteing - Hello 
group! With iOS 13 coming out and lots of us 
not wanting to download it because of the 
multiple voiceover bugs, may I take this 
opportunity to warn you of apples rather 
sneaky way of overriding your settings to 
install updates when you don't want them.
If you go into settings, general, software 
update, you'll find a button to turn off 
automatic software updates. Go ahead and 
switch that to off, but be aware that it may 
not stop the update from being installed. 
There's another step you will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime 
in the next few days asking if you want to 
install iOS 13. The two options you'll be 
given are "install now" or "later". You'll 
assume you need to choose "later", since you 
don't want the update at all, and then you'll 
be asked to enter your passcode. At this 
point, the phone is ready to install the 
update, despite the fact that you have auto 
update set to off, and it will do it sometime 
in the couple of days after you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've 
chosen the later option, go back into 
settings, general, software update and you'll 
see another button has appeared, called 
"Cancel auto install" or something like that. 
You need to double tap that button to stop 
the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got 
your auto update set to off. Apple sure are keen to get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want 
anyone to get caught out by this.




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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread Vicki W.

How strange that the 6 won't get the update. I have and IPhone SE  and I got 
the update. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 3:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

  Janet, you must have an iPhone 6s since the 6 will not get iOS 13. 
  Glad it is working.

  Richard 

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On Sep 19, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Janet Wright  wrote:

every thing is working good here i lost my voice over voice that i had for 
my old i phone so i had to redownload it but it kept all settings in my i phone 
6 

On 9/19/2019 3:57 PM, Feliciano Godoy wrote:

  Hi, 
  I updated my iPhone 6s  to iOS 13. Thus far, everything seems to be 
working fine. I have not tried to use the iPhone with a Braille display or 
keyboard.hat I could say that doesn’t work right now, is  text selection on the 
native mail app When reading email. Other than that, everything looks good.

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On Sep 19, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming 
out and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them. 
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button 
to turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
step you will probably need to take. 
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking 
if you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install 
now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want 
the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this 
point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have 
auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up. 
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go 
back into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating. 
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by 
this.

Richard 

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread Dave

I thought the iPhone 6, wasn’t getting the iOS 13 update.

Are you sure, your iPhone is a 6, and not the 6s?

Dave.

From: Janet Wright 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 11:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

every thing is working good here i lost my voice over voice that i had for my 
old i phone so i had to redownload it but it kept all settings in my i phone 6 

On 9/19/2019 3:57 PM, Feliciano Godoy wrote:

  Hi, 
  I updated my iPhone 6s  to iOS 13. Thus far, everything seems to be working 
fine. I have not tried to use the iPhone with a Braille display or keyboard.hat 
I could say that doesn’t work right now, is  text selection on the native mail 
app When reading email. Other than that, everything looks good.

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On Sep 19, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com wrote:

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them. 
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
step you will probably need to take. 
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" 
or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want the 
update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this point, 
the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have auto 
update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up. 
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go 
back into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating. 
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by 
this.

Richard 

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread Richard Turner

Janet, you must have an iPhone 6s since the 6 will not get iOS 13.
Glad it is working.


Richard

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On Sep 19, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Janet Wright  wrote:



every thing is working good here i lost my voice over voice that i had for my 
old i phone so i had to redownload it but it kept all settings in my i phone 6

On 9/19/2019 3:57 PM, Feliciano Godoy wrote:
Hi,
I updated my iPhone 6s  to iOS 13. Thus far, everything seems to be working 
fine. I have not tried to use the iPhone with a Braille display or keyboard.hat 
I could say that doesn’t work right now, is  text selection on the native mail 
app When reading email. Other than that, everything looks good.


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On Sep 19, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:


A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out and 
lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover bugs, 
may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to turn 
off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be aware 
that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another step you 
will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if you 
want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" or 
"later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want the 
update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this point, 
the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have auto 
update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.



Richard

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread Janet Wright

every thing is working good here i lost my voice over voice that i had
for my old i phone so i had to redownload it but it kept all settings in
my i phone 6

On 9/19/2019 3:57 PM, Feliciano Godoy wrote:

Hi,
I updated my iPhone 6s to iOS 13. Thus far, everything seems to be
working fine. I have not tried to use the iPhone with a Braille
display or keyboard.hat I could say that doesn’t work right now, is
text selection on the native mail app When reading email. Other than
that, everything looks good.

Feliciano
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On Sep 19, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Richard Turner
wrote:

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13
coming out and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the
multiple voiceover bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of
apples rather sneaky way of overriding your settings to install
updates when you don't want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a
button to turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch
that to off, but be aware that it may not stop the update from being
installed. There's another step you will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days
asking if you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given
are "install now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose
"later", since you don't want the update at all, and then you'll be
asked to enter your passcode. At this point, the phone is ready to
install the update, despite the fact that you have auto update set to
off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after you've
seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option,
go back into settings, general, software update and you'll see
another button has appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or
something like that. You need to double tap that button to stop the
phone doing the update automatically. And all of this happens even
though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple sure are keen to
get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out
by this.**

Richard

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread Feliciano Godoy

Hi,
I updated my iPhone 6s  to iOS 13. Thus far, everything seems to be working 
fine. I have not tried to use the iPhone with a Braille display or keyboard.hat 
I could say that doesn’t work right now, is  text selection on the native mail 
app When reading email. Other than that, everything looks good.


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On Sep 19, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:


A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out and 
lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover bugs, 
may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to turn 
off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be aware 
that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another step you 
will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if you 
want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" or 
"later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want the 
update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this point, 
the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have auto 
update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.



Richard

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread Vicki W.

There used to be a button right after the later button in that dialogue that 
says remind me later. That prevented the download from taking place, although 
you would get another reminder at some point. I always selected remind me later 
and never had anything update without my permission. Is that button gone?

Vicki

  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
  Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

  A coworker sent me this.

  Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them. 
  If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
step you will probably need to take. 
  You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" 
or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want the 
update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this point, 
the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have auto 
update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up. 
  So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating. 
  Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.

  Richard 

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread Jenifer Barr

Thanks for this Richard! I appreciate it.
Jen 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> A coworker sent me this.
> 
> Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
> and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
> bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
> overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them. 
> If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
> turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
> aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
> step you will probably need to take. 
> You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
> you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" 
> or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want 
> the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this 
> point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you 
> have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days 
> after you've seen the dialogue come up. 
> So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
> into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
> appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
> double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
> all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
> sure are keen to get us updating. 
> Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.
>  
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread Holly

Thanks Richard.

I am sure that most of us didn’t know this.

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

2019-09-19 Thread Mary Otten

Thanks, richard. Very useful. Fortunately, 13.1 is coming out next week, on the 
24th.


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> On Sep 19, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Richard Turner  
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> 
> A coworker sent me this.
> 
> Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
> and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
> bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
> overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them. 
> If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
> turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
> aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
> step you will probably need to take. 
> You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
> you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" 
> or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want 
> the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this 
> point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you 
> have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days 
> after you've seen the dialogue come up. 
> So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
> into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
> appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
> double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
> all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
> sure are keen to get us updating. 
> Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.
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