RE: ATT as service provider
NOT true. It is not FUD I am setting there with the same connection with two different pieces of equipment. In addition, Apple has stated so much and conversations with ATT also confirmed. The iPhone DOES NOT support a flash player plug in. Therefore flash CANNOT run on the iPhone. While a Mac / PC sitting there side by side with the same connection works fine. Indeed, but I read it as you implying that the lack of Flash functionality on the iPhone would affect the device's ability to connect to the data service. I've never, ever seen a tethered cellular access setup where I have to log in through a Flash portal - as far as the network's concerned, whether it's your handset or your handset bridging the connection to an external device via Bluetooth or sync cable, the network just sees the traffic as coming from the device itself. There should be no additional login steps required as the handset has already done that (and is de facto authenticated as it's a registered device on the network). No Flash support required. (certainly when I use my own device for tethering, I run the generic Windows Mobile Connection Sharing app (which DOESN'T authenticate with anything) on my phone, set it up to share via USB and then hit Connect - it establishes the data connection and I plug my computer in, and the phone appears as a network interface. I'm up and running without any other logins almost immediately. I suspect the iPhone is treated differently by ATT from its other standard handset range; I would still wager that the iPhone data plan doesn't allow for nonstandard ports to be used (i.e., VNC et al) whereas the regular ATT data bolt-on package allows for more unrestricted usage. YGWYPF is valid here :) ___ VNC-List mailing list VNC-List@realvnc.com To remove yourself from the list visit: http://www.realvnc.com/mailman/listinfo/vnc-list
java pages do not show
When I connect to my PC at work and then try to download fixes from IBM on my work computer, their website uses java for the login and download pages, but I cannot see anything on those java web pages via VNC. Any ideas? ___ VNC-List mailing list VNC-List@realvnc.com To remove yourself from the list visit: http://www.realvnc.com/mailman/listinfo/vnc-list
RE: ATT as service provider
Ah, well, if one is using a wifi hotspot then that's a different matter entirely I absolutely agree. However as far as I remember the OP never mentioned wifi hotspots, only using the iPhone's data connection, so I understood the question to implicitly involve using the device for its tethered 3G connection. Chris _ From: Dale Eshelman [mailto:eshelm...@gmail.com] Sent: 10 January 2010 19:00 To: Christopher Woods (CustomMade) Cc: 'Nancy'; vnc-list@realvnc.com Subject: Re: ATT as service provider It is correct that flash CAN effect the ability of one to connect to the data service on the iPhone. Here is how. When you use the iPhone to log in to a WIFI connection and the login uses flash the login cannot be completed on the iPhone. The selection list to select your ISP to continue log in using the iPhone screens in the Safari browser is written in flash at many WIFI connection login screens. There is no way past this on an iPhone. It is the Wayport WIFI connections (US) which have been the primary culprits. The whole portal is NOT flash. Only the list of ISPs in the drop down menu. Since the iPhone does not support flash, the list does not appear on the iPhone screen to select. It cannot be typed in; only selected from a list (ex. @sbcglobal.net or @ATT.net). So if you have VNC app on your iPhone, you will need to login at a WIFI spot which does not require flash to login. If you are using tethering, that is a different scenario. That means using the iPhone as a modem (so to speak) instead of using the iPhone directly. Tethering through ATT on the iPhone has been a rough road. ATT did not allow it to happen for a long time through the iPhone. I have not tried it recently but I believe it is now functional. On Jan 9, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Christopher Woods (CustomMade) wrote: NOT true. It is not FUD I am setting there with the same connection with two different pieces of equipment. In addition, Apple has stated so much and conversations with ATT also confirmed. The iPhone DOES NOT support a flash player plug in. Therefore flash CANNOT run on the iPhone. While a Mac / PC sitting there side by side with the same connection works fine. Indeed, but I read it as you implying that the lack of Flash functionality on the iPhone would affect the device's ability to connect to the data service. I've never, ever seen a tethered cellular access setup where I have to log in through a Flash portal - as far as the network's concerned, whether it's your handset or your handset bridging the connection to an external device via Bluetooth or sync cable, the network just sees the traffic as coming from the device itself. There should be no additional login steps required as the handset has already done that (and is de facto authenticated as it's a registered device on the network). No Flash support required. (certainly when I use my own device for tethering, I run the generic Windows Mobile Connection Sharing app (which DOESN'T authenticate with anything) on my phone, set it up to share via USB and then hit Connect - it establishes the data connection and I plug my computer in, and the phone appears as a network interface. I'm up and running without any other logins almost immediately. I suspect the iPhone is treated differently by ATT from its other standard handset range; I would still wager that the iPhone data plan doesn't allow for nonstandard ports to be used (i.e., VNC et al) whereas the regular ATT data bolt-on package allows for more unrestricted usage. YGWYPF is valid here :) Dale Eshelman eshelm...@gmail.com MonaVie (Distr ID 1316953) http://www.monavie.com/Web/US/en/product_overview.dhtml The closer I get to the pain of glass in Windoz, the farther I can see and I see a Mac on the horizon. ___ VNC-List mailing list VNC-List@realvnc.com To remove yourself from the list visit: http://www.realvnc.com/mailman/listinfo/vnc-list
Re: ATT as service provider
NOT true. It is not FUD I am setting there with the same connection with two different pieces of equipment. In addition, Apple has stated so much and conversations with ATT also confirmed. The iPhone DOES NOT support a flash player plug in. Therefore flash CANNOT run on the iPhone. While a Mac / PC sitting there side by side with the same connection works fine. On Jan 4, 2010, at 04:57 AM, Christopher Woods wrote: -Original Message- From: vnc-list-boun...@realvnc.com [mailto:vnc-list-boun...@realvnc.com] On Behalf Of Dale Eshelman Sent: 17 December 2009 17:02 To: Nancy Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com Subject: Re: ATT as service provider Likely you are not getting all the information on the screen to make the ATT connection. I have run into these situations. It seems ATT (or partner) many times uses flash for login to connections (why I don't know). So when I compare the screen on my laptop to the screen on my iPhone / iPod touch, they are not the same. The ability to select the provider (for example) from a list does not show up on the iPhone / iPod Touch. Apple tells me it is because ATT is using flash. The iPhone / iPod Touch does not support Flash. It is a hog on memory and battery life. So this may be the reason. ATT after 3 years of conversations with them, has yet to fix it. As I have told Apple and ATT, this makes the iPhone / iPod Touch worthless - and I told both of them so much. Most of the time I cannot use them because of this issue. So I am guessing this might be the issue. However, the way to tell is to use a laptop and look at the same screen. I must disagree; imho all of that is FUD. Whether or not a device supports Flash is irrelevant in this case - if the iPhone is on ATT, and has the standard iPhone ATT data connection, I would stake money on it being that nonstandard ports are restricted to HTTP and a handful of others by ATT to manage their network usage, and VNC traffic ports fall outside of the scope of allowed ports. The iPhone still fails, but for more and different reasons ;) /flame I've encountered this exact same problem (but with FTP and email traffic as opposed to VNC) on an old mobile provider in the UK - I was using my handset's 3G connection as a tethered mobile broadband connection. I had to upgrade my package to unblock the required ports, no two ways about it. Chris Dale Eshelman eshelm...@gmail.com MonaVie (Distr ID 1316953) http://www.monavie.com/Web/US/en/product_overview.dhtml The closer I get to the pain of glass in Windoz, the farther I can see and I see a Mac on the horizon. ___ VNC-List mailing list VNC-List@realvnc.com To remove yourself from the list visit: http://www.realvnc.com/mailman/listinfo/vnc-list
Re: ATT as service provider
It is correct that flash CAN effect the ability of one to connect to the data service on the iPhone. Here is how. When you use the iPhone to log in to a WIFI connection and the login uses flash the login cannot be completed on the iPhone. The selection list to select your ISP to continue log in using the iPhone screens in the Safari browser is written in flash at many WIFI connection login screens. There is no way past this on an iPhone. It is the Wayport WIFI connections (US) which have been the primary culprits. The whole portal is NOT flash. Only the list of ISPs in the drop down menu. Since the iPhone does not support flash, the list does not appear on the iPhone screen to select. It cannot be typed in; only selected from a list (ex. @sbcglobal.net or @ATT.net). So if you have VNC app on your iPhone, you will need to login at a WIFI spot which does not require flash to login. If you are using tethering, that is a different scenario. That means using the iPhone as a modem (so to speak) instead of using the iPhone directly. Tethering through ATT on the iPhone has been a rough road. ATT did not allow it to happen for a long time through the iPhone. I have not tried it recently but I believe it is now functional. On Jan 9, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Christopher Woods (CustomMade) wrote: NOT true. It is not FUD I am setting there with the same connection with two different pieces of equipment. In addition, Apple has stated so much and conversations with ATT also confirmed. The iPhone DOES NOT support a flash player plug in. Therefore flash CANNOT run on the iPhone. While a Mac / PC sitting there side by side with the same connection works fine. Indeed, but I read it as you implying that the lack of Flash functionality on the iPhone would affect the device's ability to connect to the data service. I've never, ever seen a tethered cellular access setup where I have to log in through a Flash portal - as far as the network's concerned, whether it's your handset or your handset bridging the connection to an external device via Bluetooth or sync cable, the network just sees the traffic as coming from the device itself. There should be no additional login steps required as the handset has already done that (and is de facto authenticated as it's a registered device on the network). No Flash support required. (certainly when I use my own device for tethering, I run the generic Windows Mobile Connection Sharing app (which DOESN'T authenticate with anything) on my phone, set it up to share via USB and then hit Connect - it establishes the data connection and I plug my computer in, and the phone appears as a network interface. I'm up and running without any other logins almost immediately. I suspect the iPhone is treated differently by ATT from its other standard handset range; I would still wager that the iPhone data plan doesn't allow for nonstandard ports to be used (i.e., VNC et al) whereas the regular ATT data bolt-on package allows for more unrestricted usage. YGWYPF is valid here :) Dale Eshelman eshelm...@gmail.com MonaVie (Distr ID 1316953) http://www.monavie.com/Web/US/en/product_overview.dhtml The closer I get to the pain of glass in Windoz, the farther I can see and I see a Mac on the horizon. ___ VNC-List mailing list VNC-List@realvnc.com To remove yourself from the list visit: http://www.realvnc.com/mailman/listinfo/vnc-list
