Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth vs Inteliquent

[Alex Balashov]

No, but highly curated access to the Bandwidth API is common. I cannot confirm 
or deny that we do a lot of that, but I mean, I wouldn’t deny it per se.

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> On Jul 7, 2021, at 10:18 PM, Ross Tajvar  wrote:
> 
> 
> > I don't know of any resellers of Bandwidth that would allow you direct
> access to the Bandwidth API. The API is based on Account and you'd have
> access to the full reseller account.
> 
> I believe Bandwidth allows subaccounts.
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2021, 10:08 PM Peter Beckman  wrote:
>> I've been happy with Bandwidth. Started with them mid-2015. They handle
>> most of our inbound and outbound calling and SMS. APIs do what we need for
>> the most part (there are some limits in viewing their inventory that I'm
>> not a fan of), SMPP connections never die, tickets get addressed quickly,
>> at least when the solution is straightforward.
>> 
>> I haven't used Inteliquent directly, so I cannot speak to the true
>> differences.
>> 
>> I hear that Inteliquent wins for termination, and though I can get coverage
>> in most places for Bandwidth on-net and Level3 off-net through Bandwidth,
>> Inteliquent, with their acquisition of Onvoy/Voyant/Vitelity over the past
>> few years, has coverage in more ratecenters. It just depends if you care
>> about small rural switches or smaller cities.
>> 
>> I'm sure the APIs are probably similar, though Bandwidth has several SDKs
>> available, and I have not been able to find mention of Inteliquent SDKs on
>> the Internet, and definitely not in GitHub.
>> 
>> I don't know of any resellers of Bandwidth that would allow you direct
>> access to the Bandwidth API. The API is based on Account and you'd have
>> access to the full reseller account.
>> 
>> https://dev.bandwidth.com/
>> 
>> Beckman
>> 
>> On Wed, 7 Jul 2021, Colton Conor wrote:
>> 
>> > If you had to choose only between these two providers for wholesale
>> > services, which would you choose and why? We are only considering these two
>> > as the softswitch we are planning on using (Netsapiens) has only built out
>> > Group MMS support for these two carriers APIs, and no one else.
>> >
>> > I have used many services over the years that have utilized both of these
>> > carriers, but I have never had a direct relationship with them.
>> >
>> > Which has a better portal, API, and company overall? What are the true
>> > differences?
>> >
>> > Are there any resellers to consider where we would still have direct access
>> > to these carriers APIs?
>> >
>> 
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Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth vs Inteliquent

[Ross Tajvar]

> I don't know of any resellers of Bandwidth that would allow you direct
access to the Bandwidth API. The API is based on Account and you'd have
access to the full reseller account.

I believe Bandwidth allows subaccounts.

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021, 10:08 PM Peter Beckman  wrote:

> I've been happy with Bandwidth. Started with them mid-2015. They handle
> most of our inbound and outbound calling and SMS. APIs do what we need for
> the most part (there are some limits in viewing their inventory that I'm
> not a fan of), SMPP connections never die, tickets get addressed quickly,
> at least when the solution is straightforward.
>
> I haven't used Inteliquent directly, so I cannot speak to the true
> differences.
>
> I hear that Inteliquent wins for termination, and though I can get coverage
> in most places for Bandwidth on-net and Level3 off-net through Bandwidth,
> Inteliquent, with their acquisition of Onvoy/Voyant/Vitelity over the past
> few years, has coverage in more ratecenters. It just depends if you care
> about small rural switches or smaller cities.
>
> I'm sure the APIs are probably similar, though Bandwidth has several SDKs
> available, and I have not been able to find mention of Inteliquent SDKs on
> the Internet, and definitely not in GitHub.
>
> I don't know of any resellers of Bandwidth that would allow you direct
> access to the Bandwidth API. The API is based on Account and you'd have
> access to the full reseller account.
>
> https://dev.bandwidth.com/
>
> Beckman
>
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2021, Colton Conor wrote:
>
> > If you had to choose only between these two providers for wholesale
> > services, which would you choose and why? We are only considering these
> two
> > as the softswitch we are planning on using (Netsapiens) has only built
> out
> > Group MMS support for these two carriers APIs, and no one else.
> >
> > I have used many services over the years that have utilized both of these
> > carriers, but I have never had a direct relationship with them.
> >
> > Which has a better portal, API, and company overall? What are the true
> > differences?
> >
> > Are there any resellers to consider where we would still have direct
> access
> > to these carriers APIs?
> >
>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth vs Inteliquent

[Peter Beckman]

I've been happy with Bandwidth. Started with them mid-2015. They handle
most of our inbound and outbound calling and SMS. APIs do what we need for
the most part (there are some limits in viewing their inventory that I'm
not a fan of), SMPP connections never die, tickets get addressed quickly,
at least when the solution is straightforward.

I haven't used Inteliquent directly, so I cannot speak to the true
differences.

I hear that Inteliquent wins for termination, and though I can get coverage
in most places for Bandwidth on-net and Level3 off-net through Bandwidth,
Inteliquent, with their acquisition of Onvoy/Voyant/Vitelity over the past
few years, has coverage in more ratecenters. It just depends if you care
about small rural switches or smaller cities.

I'm sure the APIs are probably similar, though Bandwidth has several SDKs
available, and I have not been able to find mention of Inteliquent SDKs on
the Internet, and definitely not in GitHub.

I don't know of any resellers of Bandwidth that would allow you direct
access to the Bandwidth API. The API is based on Account and you'd have
access to the full reseller account.

https://dev.bandwidth.com/

Beckman

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021, Colton Conor wrote:


If you had to choose only between these two providers for wholesale
services, which would you choose and why? We are only considering these two
as the softswitch we are planning on using (Netsapiens) has only built out
Group MMS support for these two carriers APIs, and no one else.

I have used many services over the years that have utilized both of these
carriers, but I have never had a direct relationship with them.

Which has a better portal, API, and company overall? What are the true
differences?

Are there any resellers to consider where we would still have direct access
to these carriers APIs?



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Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth vs Inteliquent

[Matthew Crocker]

We use clearip.com for our fraud protection along with our Inteliquent trunks.  
ClearIP also handles our STIR/SHAKEN, LCR and CNAM

-Matt


From: VoiceOps  on behalf of Colton Conor 

Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 4:26 PM
To: Carlos Alvarez 
Cc: VoiceOps 
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth vs Inteliquent
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Do either Bandwidth or Inteliquent have any fraud / overspending limits you can 
put in place? I have looked at something like thinQ in the past, and was 
impressed that their platform could put limits in place, like if international 
calls exceed $1,000 in a day, block all calls. I know this is more a function 
of the SBC / Softswitch, but a nice to have option.

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 12:31 PM Carlos Alvarez 
mailto:caalva...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We moved all of our services off of Inteliquent.  The support was absolute 
garbage, and they constantly raised rates a little at a time.  We took 20% off 
our costs going to Bandwidth, and support is lightning fast.  Coverage is 
identical as far as we can see in the US.  Most of our term and origination are 
with Bandwidth, and a bit with thinQ for a variety of reasons.  I'm considering 
porting all that to Bandwidth.  They say it's dangerous to have all your eggs 
in one basket, but BW has simply been 100% for us in every measure.  We'd 
probably still use thinQ as backup term.


On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 6:17 AM Colton Conor 
mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If you had to choose only between these two providers for wholesale services, 
which would you choose and why? We are only considering these two as the 
softswitch we are planning on using (Netsapiens) has only built out Group MMS 
support for these two carriers APIs, and no one else.

I have used many services over the years that have utilized both of these 
carriers, but I have never had a direct relationship with them.

Which has a better portal, API, and company overall? What are the true 
differences?

Are there any resellers to consider where we would still have direct access to 
these carriers APIs?
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Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth vs Inteliquent

[Colton Conor]

Do either Bandwidth or Inteliquent have any fraud / overspending limits you
can put in place? I have looked at something like thinQ in the past, and
was impressed that their platform could put limits in place, like if
international calls exceed $1,000 in a day, block all calls. I know this is
more a function of the SBC / Softswitch, but a nice to have option.

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 12:31 PM Carlos Alvarez  wrote:

> We moved all of our services off of Inteliquent.  The support was absolute
> garbage, and they constantly raised rates a little at a time.  We took 20%
> off our costs going to Bandwidth, and support is lightning fast.  Coverage
> is identical as far as we can see in the US.  Most of our term and
> origination are with Bandwidth, and a bit with thinQ for a variety of
> reasons.  I'm considering porting all that to Bandwidth.  They say it's
> dangerous to have all your eggs in one basket, but BW has simply been 100%
> for us in every measure.  We'd probably still use thinQ as backup term.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 6:17 AM Colton Conor 
> wrote:
>
>> If you had to choose only between these two providers for wholesale
>> services, which would you choose and why? We are only considering these two
>> as the softswitch we are planning on using (Netsapiens) has only built out
>> Group MMS support for these two carriers APIs, and no one else.
>>
>> I have used many services over the years that have utilized both of these
>> carriers, but I have never had a direct relationship with them.
>>
>> Which has a better portal, API, and company overall? What are the true
>> differences?
>>
>> Are there any resellers to consider where we would still have direct
>> access to these carriers APIs?
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Re: [VoiceOps] interconnect directly with a PSAP?

[Mike Hammett]

In Illinois, it's both, with a strong preference to SIP. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Paul Timmins"  
To: "Rob Verk" , "Mike Hammett"  
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 2:16:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] interconnect directly with a PSAP? 



INDigital's system they built with Penninsula FiberNet in Michigan is SIP, with 
private ethernet connectivity to PFN's switches (not public IP networks). Not 
sure about other states. 





From: VoiceOps  on behalf of Rob Verk 
 
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 2:55 PM 
To: Mike Hammett 
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org 
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] interconnect directly with a PSAP? 


Is the interconnection TDM or IP? I did not see much on their site. I did see 
they provide services in a few States. 


From: Mike Hammett  
Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 3:15 PM 
To: Rob Verk  
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org  
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] interconnect directly with a PSAP? 


You'll It'll likely vary state-by-state. 


Here in Illinois, we're migrating from a traditional model to an NG911 platform 
by INDigital. You can only interconnect with INDigital at a few locations, none 
of them in-LATA. 




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From: "Rob Verk"  
To: voiceops@voiceops.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 4, 2021 6:01:58 PM 
Subject: [VoiceOps] interconnect directly with a PSAP? 



I have been out of the game for about 20 years and now I am back. I have a lot 
to catch up on but I'm hoping this listserv can help me out. I have a few 
questions 


* Is it possible to interconnect directly with a PSAP? 
* Is a CLEC license/agreement still required? 
* Is this interconnection still only offered via TDM or is IP/SIP an 
option? 



Thanks for your help. 

Rob 

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Re: [VoiceOps] interconnect directly with a PSAP?

[Paul Timmins]

INDigital's system they built with Penninsula FiberNet in Michigan is SIP, with 
private ethernet connectivity to PFN's switches (not public IP networks). Not 
sure about other states.



From: VoiceOps  on behalf of Rob Verk 

Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 2:55 PM
To: Mike Hammett
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] interconnect directly with a PSAP?

Is the interconnection TDM or IP?  I did not see much on their site.  I did see 
they provide services in a few States.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 3:15 PM
To: Rob Verk 
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org 
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] interconnect directly with a PSAP?

You'll It'll likely vary state-by-state.

Here in Illinois, we're migrating from a traditional model to an NG911 platform 
by INDigital. You can only interconnect with INDigital at a few locations, none 
of them in-LATA.



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From: "Rob Verk" 
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
Sent: Sunday, July 4, 2021 6:01:58 PM
Subject: [VoiceOps] interconnect directly with a PSAP?


I have been out of the game for about 20 years and now I am back.  I have a lot 
to catch up on but I'm hoping this listserv can help me out.   I have a few 
questions



  *   Is it possible to interconnect directly with a PSAP?
  *   Is a CLEC license/agreement still required?
  *   Is this interconnection still only offered via TDM or is IP/SIP an option?





Thanks for your help.



Rob


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Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth vs Inteliquent

[Jared Geiger]

For termination, I'd say Inteliquent wins for full coverage and we haven't
had any tickets with them. They pass my manual dial tests for hard to reach
areas with low PDD and excellent audio quality. Bandwidth's OnNet partial
coverage is solid but I've not had good luck with their full coverage
routes.

I can't speak to origination or messaging for either vendor.

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 10:30 AM Carlos Alvarez  wrote:

> We moved all of our services off of Inteliquent.  The support was absolute
> garbage, and they constantly raised rates a little at a time.  We took 20%
> off our costs going to Bandwidth, and support is lightning fast.  Coverage
> is identical as far as we can see in the US.  Most of our term and
> origination are with Bandwidth, and a bit with thinQ for a variety of
> reasons.  I'm considering porting all that to Bandwidth.  They say it's
> dangerous to have all your eggs in one basket, but BW has simply been 100%
> for us in every measure.  We'd probably still use thinQ as backup term.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 6:17 AM Colton Conor 
> wrote:
>
>> If you had to choose only between these two providers for wholesale
>> services, which would you choose and why? We are only considering these two
>> as the softswitch we are planning on using (Netsapiens) has only built out
>> Group MMS support for these two carriers APIs, and no one else.
>>
>> I have used many services over the years that have utilized both of these
>> carriers, but I have never had a direct relationship with them.
>>
>> Which has a better portal, API, and company overall? What are the true
>> differences?
>>
>> Are there any resellers to consider where we would still have direct
>> access to these carriers APIs?
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Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth vs Inteliquent

[Carlos Alvarez]

We moved all of our services off of Inteliquent.  The support was absolute
garbage, and they constantly raised rates a little at a time.  We took 20%
off our costs going to Bandwidth, and support is lightning fast.  Coverage
is identical as far as we can see in the US.  Most of our term and
origination are with Bandwidth, and a bit with thinQ for a variety of
reasons.  I'm considering porting all that to Bandwidth.  They say it's
dangerous to have all your eggs in one basket, but BW has simply been 100%
for us in every measure.  We'd probably still use thinQ as backup term.


On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 6:17 AM Colton Conor  wrote:

> If you had to choose only between these two providers for wholesale
> services, which would you choose and why? We are only considering these two
> as the softswitch we are planning on using (Netsapiens) has only built out
> Group MMS support for these two carriers APIs, and no one else.
>
> I have used many services over the years that have utilized both of these
> carriers, but I have never had a direct relationship with them.
>
> Which has a better portal, API, and company overall? What are the true
> differences?
>
> Are there any resellers to consider where we would still have direct
> access to these carriers APIs?
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Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth vs Inteliquent

[Jeff Waddell]

I have used both - Inteliquent, by far, has better coverage and support
(should you need it) - Bandwidth also sends a lot of their outbound traffic
to Inteliquent... So if you have an issue with outbound calls, they
typically have to open a ticket with Inteliquent.

If I have an urgent issue, I can open a ticket with Inteliquent and then
email the person responsible and get it resolved quickly.

Portal wise, they are both on par with each other -

While Inteliquent is a large company, it doesn't feel that way when you
talk or interact with them

YMMV though...

Jeff

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 9:59 AM Oren Yehezkely  wrote:

> Bandwidth by far is a much better company and service provider IMHO.
> Much better API, much better portal, much better service, much better
> management and culture.
> I know that Inteliquent may have better coverage and we do have a partner
> that says a lot of good things about them.
> However, from my point of view as a company looking for the latest APIs
> and tools, the best customer service and so on
> Bandwidth will be my selection.
> Feel free to contact me in private with any questions.
>
> Good luck with your endeavor.
>
> Oren
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 9:17 AM Colton Conor 
> wrote:
>
>> If you had to choose only between these two providers for wholesale
>> services, which would you choose and why? We are only considering these two
>> as the softswitch we are planning on using (Netsapiens) has only built out
>> Group MMS support for these two carriers APIs, and no one else.
>>
>> I have used many services over the years that have utilized both of these
>> carriers, but I have never had a direct relationship with them.
>>
>> Which has a better portal, API, and company overall? What are the true
>> differences?
>>
>> Are there any resellers to consider where we would still have direct
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Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth vs Inteliquent

[Oren Yehezkely]

Bandwidth by far is a much better company and service provider IMHO.
Much better API, much better portal, much better service, much better
management and culture.
I know that Inteliquent may have better coverage and we do have a partner
that says a lot of good things about them.
However, from my point of view as a company looking for the latest APIs and
tools, the best customer service and so on
Bandwidth will be my selection.
Feel free to contact me in private with any questions.

Good luck with your endeavor.

Oren

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 9:17 AM Colton Conor  wrote:

> If you had to choose only between these two providers for wholesale
> services, which would you choose and why? We are only considering these two
> as the softswitch we are planning on using (Netsapiens) has only built out
> Group MMS support for these two carriers APIs, and no one else.
>
> I have used many services over the years that have utilized both of these
> carriers, but I have never had a direct relationship with them.
>
> Which has a better portal, API, and company overall? What are the true
> differences?
>
> Are there any resellers to consider where we would still have direct
> access to these carriers APIs?
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Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth vs Inteliquent

[Mike Hammett]

I would expect Inteliquent to have a much greater coverage. 




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From: "Colton Conor"  
To: "VoiceOps"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 8:15:08 AM 
Subject: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth vs Inteliquent 


If you had to choose only between these two providers for wholesale services, 
which would you choose and why? We are only considering these two as the 
softswitch we are planning on using (Netsapiens) has only built out Group MMS 
support for these two carriers APIs, and no one else. 


I have used many services over the years that have utilized both of these 
carriers, but I have never had a direct relationship with them. 


Which has a better portal, API, and company overall? What are the true 
differences? 


Are there any resellers to consider where we would still have direct access to 
these carriers APIs? 
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[VoiceOps] Bandwidth vs Inteliquent

[Colton Conor]

If you had to choose only between these two providers for wholesale
services, which would you choose and why? We are only considering these two
as the softswitch we are planning on using (Netsapiens) has only built out
Group MMS support for these two carriers APIs, and no one else.

I have used many services over the years that have utilized both of these
carriers, but I have never had a direct relationship with them.

Which has a better portal, API, and company overall? What are the true
differences?

Are there any resellers to consider where we would still have direct access
to these carriers APIs?
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Re: [VoiceOps] Connecting to Remote Tandems

[Mike Hammett]

At the suggestion of this mailing list, I started pursuing the IVP/IPES route 
instead of trying to do my expansions via CLEC authority. 


I've had conversations with a few companies to enable the IPES services, 
Verizon, Inteliquent, Intrado (West), and Peerless. I haven't talked to Wide 
Voice because their stated coverage is inadequate. I haven't talked to Level 3 
because they never answered me. 




* One of the conversations went nowhere because while they knew what I was 
talking about, they didn't think they had a product for that. Their rates for 
adjacent services were actually reasonable. 
* One had it productized, but had a 5 figure minimum monthly commit. The 
stated reason was that the LECs are a pain and they wanted to make sure they 
had a decent return before they committed resources. 
* One had only part of the solution, still requiring me to build out the 
tandems myself for the ILEC interconnection. 
* One had it productized and had no monthly minimum. 


Okay, so four very different responses from four companies. The one seems like 
the a slam dunk, but being a slam drunk in the face of such difficulty, I 
become skeptical. We're coming from a TDM, voice CLEC background, not a retail 
SIP provider background. Is there something I'm underestimating in this 
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- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "VoiceOps"  
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 2:42:37 PM 
Subject: [VoiceOps] Connecting to Remote Tandems 


I'm evaluating methods of extending our footprint. I purposely left out company 
names. 


One of the companies we talked to was really only interested in getting us the 
inbound long distance calls, not the local ones. Well, they would, but the 
terms were vastly different. 


Given that I still need to build out to connect to the local tandem, what's the 
point in using a third party to connect to long distance? 


Are the terms for connecting to the local tandems different because the access 
tandem is simpler, whereas the local tandem could potentially involve 
connections to a bunch of other switches, once volume dictated I needed direct 
connections... and they don't want to deal with that? 


Are there third parties that don't have vastly different terms for local tandem 
services? 


Also, is it likely that I just don't understand what's going on? I went circles 
with the sales rep to make sure I understood what he was saying, but I could be 
wrong. 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



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