Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times

2009-07-10 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 9, 2009, at 4:36 PM, Jones Beene wrote: One comment on The Letter to the Editor from John Sutherland - Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. It raises a point that should be clarified. He may be unaware that we can tolerate mention of Randell Mills or Blacklight Power here. Actually,

[Vo]:Happy Birthday Alternating Current

2009-07-10 Thread Terry Blanton
Thanks, Nikola, to you and your anagrams: Alset Alokin Tinsel Koala Stone Alkali Kate Allison Stella Nokia Ollie Kastan Terry

[Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=61849page=1#Item_0 Here is an excerpt from a message in the above thread. It's actually heresay (not directly from a juror); but, it rings true: I wasn't on the jury and first got to hear of it last year through some university people. They

RE: [Vo]:New Energy Times

2009-07-10 Thread Jones Beene
Horace, * This makes no sense to me Jones. Mass Spectrometers work on ionized species. There would thus have to exist a reduced energy orbital for a D2+ dideuterino species. Further, even if such a species exists, to the degree no He is present, no mass 4 He++ species will show up in

[Vo]:OT: (politics) Americans value science, but not all of it: survey

2009-07-10 Thread OrionWorks
From Reuters. Americans value science, but not all of it: survey http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSTRE56901O20090710 http://tinyurl.com/lfgq3g Excerpt: The survey found nearly 9 in 10 scientists accept the idea of evolution by natural selection, but just a third of the public

Re: [Vo]:Repost of: Oil Glut?

2009-07-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell quoted someone: However, the fact is that as cars get older, Sha'ken [car inspection] becomes more and more expensive. It doesn't seem to be a problem with anyone I know. Eventually, if the car stops running well or reaches a certain age (even though it's still a good car), you

[Vo]:Tesla's Birthday on Google

2009-07-10 Thread Michael Foster
In case you haven't noticed it already, check out the Happy Birthday Nikola Tesla Google logo today. Nice artwork. Nice thought.

Re: [Vo]:Tesla's Birthday on Google

2009-07-10 Thread Esa Ruoho
thanks for the heads up:) it was very cute On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Michael Fostermf...@yahoo.com wrote: In case you haven't noticed it already, check out the Happy Birthday Nikola Tesla Google logo today. Nice artwork. Nice thought.

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread OrionWorks
From Terry: http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=61849page=1#Item_0 The steorn saga has been a real education for me. Whether it is naivety on my part or not, I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Steorn's engineers in assuming that they had accurately detected an

Re: [Vo]:Tesla's Birthday on Google

2009-07-10 Thread bangdon12
Thanks On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Michael Fostermf...@yahoo.com wrote: In case you haven't noticed it already, check out the Happy Birthday Nikola Tesla Google logo today. Nice artwork. Nice thought.

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: From Terry: http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=61849page=1#Item_0 The steorn saga has been a real education for me. Whether it is naivety on my part or not, I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Steorn's engineers in assuming that they

[Vo]:USPO regulations say cold fusion is wholly inoperative

2009-07-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/2100_2107_01.htm II.WHOLLY INOPERATIVE INVENTIONS; INCREDIBLE UTILITY Situations where an invention is found to be inoperative and therefore lacking in utility are rare, and rejections maintained solely on this ground by a Federal

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The Steorn engineers are not self-deluded. They're dishonest. Fraudulent. I have not been following the story. Is there evidence that they benefited financially? It isn't a fraud unless someone is defrauded. People have claimed the Mills is a fraud, but I see

Re: [Vo]:USPO regulations say cold fusion is wholly inoperative

2009-07-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: See: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/2100_2107_01.htm *II.WHOLLY INOPERATIVE INVENTIONS; INCREDIBLE UTILITY* ... , a cold fusion process for producing energy (/In re Swartz/, 232 F.3d 862, 56 USPQ2d 1703, (Fed. Cir. 2000)), But

Re: [Vo]:USPO regulations say cold fusion is wholly inoperative

2009-07-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: But also see note at end: These examples are fact specific and should _not_ be applied as a /per se/ rule. Ah, but in fact they do apply this. I don't see any other way to interpret '... should not be applied as a per se rule ...'. I would interpret that as

Re: [Vo]:USPO regulations say cold fusion is wholly inoperative

2009-07-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: But also see note at end: These examples are fact specific and should _not_ be applied as a /per se/ rule. Ah, but in fact they do apply this. I don't see any other way to interpret '... should not be applied as a per se rule

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The Steorn engineers are not self-deluded. They're dishonest. Fraudulent. I have not been following the story. Is there evidence that they benefited financially? It isn't a fraud unless someone is defrauded. They had investors. I think

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: I have not been following the story. Is there evidence that they benefited financially? It isn't a fraud unless someone is defrauded. They had investors. I think that says it all. Not necessarily. As I said, it depends on how they spent the money. (I have no

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread OrionWorks
Occam's razor suggests to me that the most likely explanation of what happened is that the engineers and researchers at Steorn simply deluded themselves. It's easy to do, I know from personal experience – even with the best intentions, especially if you believe you are interpreting and/or applying

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Craig Haynie
It reminds me of Greg Watson. We never could figure out what his motive was. He claimed to have found an anomaly in magnetic fields that he could exploit. He claimed to have built a magnetic track which would move a ball around the track indefinitely. But it could never be looked at independently.

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Fraud: 2. (Law) An intentional perversion of truth for the purpose of obtaining some valuable thing or promise from another. Valuable a. 1. Having value or worth; possessing qualities which are useful and esteemed; precious; costly; as, a valuable horse; valuable land; a valuable cargo.

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: Perhaps it's time to move on. D'accord. I'm too much of a cynic anyway. I shall stop venting here.

[Vo]:DARPA Creates Rothwell's Chickens!

2009-07-10 Thread Terry Blanton
The only problem is they are not fueled by cold fusion. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/09/eatr_beta/ Robot land-steamers to consume all life on Earth as fuel Autonom-nom-nom-nomous technology By Lewis Page Posted in Science, 9th July 2009 12:06 GMT News has emerged of a milestone

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread OrionWorks
From Mr. Lawrence: ... I don't know why he didn't run. ... Shoot! I'm still alive! I thought I'd surely die in my bed of silken sheets before everything unraveled. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:DARPA Creates Rothwell's Chickens!

2009-07-10 Thread OrionWorks
Terry sez: The only problem is they are not fueled by cold fusion. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/09/eatr_beta/ Robot land-steamers to consume all life on Earth as fuel Autonom-nom-nom-nomous technology By Lewis Page Posted in Science, 9th July 2009 12:06 GMT News has emerged

Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times

2009-07-10 Thread Horace Heffner
I wrote: So, in the absence of a continuous catalytic process of some kind, one which provides energy from some source other than dropping to the fractional state (e.g. from ZPE expansion of the orbital), the two processes should be readily sorted out by energy production alone, without

Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times

2009-07-10 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 10, 2009, at 4:55 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Horace, Ø This makes no sense to me Jones. Mass Spectrometers work on ionized species. There would thus have to exist a reduced energy orbital for a D2+ dideuterino species. Further, even if such a species exists, to the degree no

[Vo]:CF in the Public Realm

2009-07-10 Thread Terry Blanton
I'm sitting here watching Discovery Channel's Cash Cab, a trivia game show which occurs in a NYC taxi, when they ask the following question: A fusion reaction which occurs at room temperature and pressure is called what? Sadly, they missed it, even with their shout out, by responding fission.

[Vo]:Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate and Cold Fusion

2009-07-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Takahashi's theory of the formation of a Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate by, as I understand it, two deuterium molecules, i.e., four deuterons and the four electrons, which if they arrange with each deuteron at a vertex of a tetrahedron, which is what would be optimal packing into the cubic

[Vo]:Another mystery: Vyosotskii and biological transmutation.

2009-07-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I can understand why biological transmutation makes some people edgy. When I first came across this, I was edgy too. Ah, well, I thought, cold fusion being so widely rejected, the conferences have to be open to new ideas. Then I read the actual papers. Storms reports it pretty well. I happen

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Cost of Japanese car inspection

2009-07-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
I looked up the cost and frequency of Japanese mandatory car inspections (shaken in Japanese). Here is a QA page in Japanese from the Min. of Land, Infrastructure and Transport: http://www.mlit.go.jp/jidosha/kensatoroku/question/index.htm The first question is: Is is true that in America they

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Cost of Japanese car inspection

2009-07-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Google maps are astounding. This link puts Ukashima in the middle of the page and opens a photo of the village:

RE: [Vo]:Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate and Cold Fusion

2009-07-10 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax So why does Takahashi not mention the words Bose-Einstein condensate, which is what the TSC seems to be? ... not cold enough ? And why does Kim not mention Takahashi, his prior experimental work, and his theory? ... professional

Re: [Vo]:Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate and Cold Fusion

2009-07-10 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 10, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Takahashi's theory ... it seems to me that it predicts most known CF phenomena: 1. No direct neutrons. 2. Surface reaction, since deuterium dissociates on entering the lattice. 3. Takahashi predicts from quantum theory that if the