Re: [Vo]:The problem with things like kludged cameras

2009-09-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: How are you going to judge the results? I assume that from a whole swag of test kits, the results will vary from no tracks / cm^2 to perhaps 100 or more / cm^2. If you get no tracks, you did the etching wrong. When you do it right there are always some tracks from

Re: [Vo]:The problem with things like kludged cameras

2009-09-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:24 PM 9/8/2009, Mike Carrell wrote: Several investigators have tried IR cameras, including the SPARWARS group. The video is posted on several siites, but I don't have the URLs at hand. The video is of codeposition on a nickel screen and is fascinating to watch, but I'm not sure what it

Re: [Vo]:The problem with things like kludged cameras

2009-09-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
I should add that the etchant is toxic, like the electrolyte. You don't want unsupervised kids working with it. For that matter, I have doubts about the wisdom of letting certain 70-year-old electrochemists work with this stuff. Mizuno I watched Ohmori work with boiling electrolyte in a

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-09 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/9/8 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com: At 09:08 AM 9/8/2009, you wrote: Yes indeed, codeposition + looking for tracks in CR-39 are the keys to low cost (very low material cost, very low equipment cost), the question is, as I asked recently in another thread where I got no answer,

[Vo]:Why do old experiments again and again?

2009-09-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michel Jullian wrote: That a chemical attack of the CR-39 occurs in those cells is not debatable, see . . . However, this problem was fixed by putting plastic film between the CR-39 and the electrolyte. I find it unfortunate that the most recent /less verified CF experiments always seem

[Vo]:Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment finally done correctly?

2009-09-09 Thread Jones Beene
An unfolding story- and elegant and convincing demo (of something) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0d7o8X2-E Rotatable Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment. Possible implications: 1) An optical gravitometer? 2) the mirrors and/or the beamsplitter experience a torque 3)

Re: [Vo]:Why do old experiments again and again?

2009-09-09 Thread Alexander Hollins
isnt designing and refining experiments, removing uncontrolled variables, and then repeating hte hell out of something until you stop getting new data, a major part of science? On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Jed Rothwelljedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Michel Jullian wrote: That a chemical attack

RE: [Vo]:Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment finally done correctly?

2009-09-09 Thread Jones Beene
I should add as possible implications: 1)An optical gravitometer? .. one that may detect virtual photons (i.e. as an indicator of gravitons). If the mainstream is correct on gravitons, then detection of individual gravitons, although not prohibited by any fundamental law, would be

RE: [Vo]:Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment finally done correctly?

2009-09-09 Thread Roarty, Francis X
[Snip] 4) A 4th dimension interface is measureable perpendicular to gravity vector? [Reply] The research by Di Fiore et all proposes opposite to gravity vector not perpendicular. An equivalent acceleration first considered by Italian researchers Di Fiore et all in a 2002 paper Vacuum

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Another Tinsley story

2009-09-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
I decided to clean up and improve the EPRI NSF conference proceedings. I asked Ed if he has a better photo of some equipment shown on p. 13-14, an automated sample changer. He said you might find something like that in a museum. That brought to mind a story about our late friend Chris Tinsley

Re: [Vo]:The problem with things like kludged cameras

2009-09-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:04 AM 9/9/2009, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:58:43 -0400: Hi, [snip] How are you going to judge the results? I assume that from a whole swag of test kits, the results will vary from no tracks / cm^2 to perhaps 100 or more /

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Another Tinsley story

2009-09-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
And that reminds me of yet another story! Along similar lines . . . The Smithsonian museum of History and Technology opened in 1964 and not long after my father took me there. We went straight for the section with trains and ships, which has both models and actual steam locomotives and the

Re: [Vo]:The problem with things like kludged cameras

2009-09-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:22 PM 9/8/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Consider a clear piece of CR-39 on the flat bottom of a glass cell. The CR-39 has distinctive marks on the bottom. On top of it is a coiled-up gold wire, resting on it. Co-deposition. Underneath the cell, looking up, is a

Re: [Vo]:The problem with things like kludged cameras

2009-09-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I have no idea what the results will look like. They will look like a Rorschach test. And people will interpret them along similar lines. I'm not interested in whether or not there is a CF reaction. Then I see no point to this project. The only reason to an

Re: [Vo]:Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment finally done correctly?

2009-09-09 Thread Harry Veeder
nice video. - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net 2)the mirrors and/or the beamsplitter experience a torque If that is the cause wouldn't you expect the fringe shift to occur four times in a revolution rather than the two shifts observed? harry

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Another Tinsley story

2009-09-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Incidentally, the Smithsonian gets the story of the first computer bug right, unlike many sources. The term long predates computers. See:] There was a bug in the fantastic movie Pi: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138704/

Re: [Vo]:The problem with things like kludged cameras

2009-09-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Underneath the cell, looking up, is a microscope, focused, through the CR-39, on the wire. The assembly is in a light-tight box. What will the microscope camera see while the cell is operating? Nothing? It will see nothing. The CR-39 has to be removed from the cell

Re: [Vo]:Uh....Wait a minute Jack

2009-09-09 Thread Chris Zell
You mentioned a cure for cancer that worked in your case.  I think you should elaborate on this.  Much as I like abduction stories, I think cures for dread disease get the priority. Thanks

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Another Tinsley story

2009-09-09 Thread albedo5
I miss Chris and Soo. :(

Re: [Vo]:Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment finally done correctly?

2009-09-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:10:58 -0400: Hi, [snip] nice video. Indeed. Typical German gründlichkeit. It's one of the best short science videos I have ever seen, and I find it very convincing. Analogous to the discovery that the electric and magnetic fields are

Re: [Vo]:The problem with things like kludged cameras

2009-09-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: If it were easy, everyone would have done it years ago and we would have cold fusion powered cars by now. The political opposition could not have stalled it this long if it were easy to reproduce. Has there been any

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Another Tinsley story

2009-09-09 Thread Terry Blanton
You can still chat with Soo. I have run across her online recently. NT On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:48 PM, albedo5 albe...@gmail.com wrote: I miss Chris and Soo.  :(

Re: [Vo]:Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment finally done correctly?

2009-09-09 Thread Terry Blanton
I have always considered mass to be an aether sink. This experiment needs to be performed on the space station. Terry On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: An unfolding story- and elegant and convincing demo (of something) :

Re: [Vo]:The problem with things like kludged cameras

2009-09-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:23:11 -0400: Hi, [snip] A chip outside the cell, as I said. This is a crucial issue. Another difficulty is ensuring that you etch both the control and the sample with the same procedures and concentration of etchant. The concentration

[Vo]:Johnson-Matthey Type A palladium

2009-09-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: Has there been any progress on the Matthey Pd? As far as I know they stopped working on it after the IMRA project in France collapsed. The collapse was mainly caused by a fight over who would control the intellectual property rights to the palladium. I have no idea

Re: [Vo]:The problem with things like kludged cameras

2009-09-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Surely both control and sample can be etched concurrently in the same solution? That would remove any difference in processing. That is the usual procedure. I believe problems arise when they do one blank and multiple readings in the cell. Another issue arises

Re: [Vo]:Johnson-Matthey Type A palladium

2009-09-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: Has there been any progress on the Matthey Pd? As far as I know they stopped working on it after the IMRA project in France collapsed. Considering Abd's goals, this gives us a lot to think about.

RE: [Vo]:Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment finally done correctly?

2009-09-09 Thread Frank
MM expected the ether to be standing still relative to the earth orbiting around the sun hence their horizontal experiment but if this new vertical experiment is validated then what? Could we consider this a 90 degree shift like current through a coil that expands a magnetic field at 90 degrees to

Re: [Vo]:Johnson-Matthey Type A palladium

2009-09-09 Thread Terry Blanton
Pd is FCC at 389 pm. Pd atom radius is 137 pm (interesting number :-). This leaves 115 pm which allows the 102 pm NH3 molecule ideal for structuring but is challenging for the 188 pm Ar. I'm gonna sleep on this. BTW, what is the Van der Waals radius of deuterium? (too lazy to look it up now.)

Re: [Vo]:Johnson-Matthey Type A palladium

2009-09-09 Thread Terry Blanton
I would bet, if you could grow single crystal Pd ( in a NH3 atmosphere), it would load quickly. And if you modulate it with a 26 Mhz signal (lambda = unit cell length), you could have controlled CF. Or not. Terry On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Pd is

Re: [Vo]:Johnson-Matthey Type A palladium

2009-09-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Let me add a post-script. Since 2000, the ENEA researchers have put a lot of effort into understanding and fabricating palladium. They have done a good job. I have not made a rigorous comparison, but I think their material now rivals the best J-M material from the IMRA program. It puts out about

Re: [Vo]:Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment finally done correctly?

2009-09-09 Thread Harry Veeder
Please elabourate. What differences do you expect? Harry - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 6:06 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment finally done correctly? I have always considered mass to be an

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:56 AM 9/9/2009, Michel Jullian wrote: I also recall an old SPAWAR codeposition experiment claiming to produce tritium, which they mentioned in a recent review of their work. If that was not bogus, tritium being very easy to detect unmistakably, what else is needed to prove CF is

Re: [Vo]:The problem with things like kludged cameras

2009-09-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:54 PM 9/9/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I have no idea what the results will look like. They will look like a Rorschach test. And people will interpret them along similar lines. Great. The kids will learn a lot about science. I'm not interested in whether or

Re: [Vo]:The problem with things like kludged cameras

2009-09-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:45 PM 9/9/2009, you wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Underneath the cell, looking up, is a microscope, focused, through the CR-39, on the wire. The assembly is in a light-tight box. What will the microscope camera see while the cell is operating? Nothing? It will see nothing. The

Re: [Vo]:The problem with things like kludged cameras

2009-09-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:15 PM 9/9/2009, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Surely both control and sample can be etched concurrently in the same solution? That would remove any difference in processing. My concept is that we would etch many chips at the same time, not only for uniformity, but also for efficiency.