OK Thanks.
I find the geometry and orientation of the magnets appealling. It is reminds me
of my all mechanical concept
for a self powering machine. The design is based on my philosophy of motion
which is inspired
by the curling motion of a curling stone on ice.
Harry
From: John Berry
Its money; the profit motive. The difference between science and engineering
is the pursuit of money.
The pursuit of money made the internet what it is today. Science goes slow
because only ego is at stake.
If science developed the internet, it would still be two cans and a string.
On
about the ideas of this thread:
An analogy: Why lowly apples have obtained such wonderful results in
genetic engineering, while oranges despite of billions of $ of funding had
not achieved a single usable result?
The answer a bit tautologic is - because apples are apples and oranges are
oranges.
Yes, dear Axil- Piantelli has also emphasized this aspect.
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the distinction involves the fermion-boson nature of the negative
hydrogen ion between deuterium and protium.
Because protium can form a clustered
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 2:01:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi beat all the scientists because . . .
Its money; the profit motive. The difference between science and engineering
is
the pursuit of money.
The pursuit of money made the
money is the difference between science and entrepreneurship, engineeering
is about technology
engineering is not only schooling- some essential things
(for life and for professions) are not taught at school- as realistic,
critical, creative thinking
and you learn much more from errors,
Nice, will use it in the next issue of the next issue,of INFORMAVORE's
SUNDAY with thanks to you, Harry
Peter
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 2:01:29 AM
Subject: Re:
Dear Robin.
in more practical terms- in your understanding how much
energy can be squeezed out of. say, a gram of hydrogen?
Compared to burning, or to what Rossi has suceeded to obtain in the February
demo at Bologna?
Peter
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:57 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply
Rossi has declared: My process has NOTHING to do with
the process of Piantelli. The proof is that I have operating reactors and he
not. He has not said - for example I made an radical improvement of the
existing system- and brought energy from the tens of Watts to the kilowatts
level. No, he made
Let's be realistic- the Internet- as Reiigion for example- is just a new
Amplifier- makes smart people smarter and stupid ones\
more dumb. (informed people better informed, disinformed ones more and
more confused). As almost always- the negative effect is much stronger than
the positive one; I
Lidmotor is romeroUK'ing too:
Muller Dynamo--- my kitchen table learning
tool.ASFhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mniWYLz8AV4
my Muller Dynamo with all the
coils.ASFhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZAIfk_ppoA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZAIfk_ppoAMuller Dynamo with electronic
circuit.ASF
See:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece
Original-Nachricht
Datum: Sun, 15 May 2011 18:21:23 -0400
Von: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:hydrogen pressure pulsation
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
By pulsating the hydrogen pressure
I wonder how pulsating hydrogen pressure got into Rossi's patent?
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Angela Kemmler angela.kemm...@gmx.dewrote:
Original-Nachricht
Datum: Sun, 15 May 2011 18:21:23 -0400
Von: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Peter Gluck wrote:
Rossi has declared: My process has NOTHING to do with
the process of Piantelli. The proof is that I have operating reactors
and he not. He has not said - for example I made an radical
improvement of the existing system . . .
Well, it does not matter what he claims, or
From: Esa Ruoho
* Would love to see any comments from this list on the Lidmotor builds! :)
My bet is on skycollection. His handiwork is superb going back many years.
However, there is so little theoretical way to harness ZPE with this type of
device that a self-runner seems unlikely.
Original-Nachricht
Datum: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:51:34 -0400
Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Betreff: [Vo]:Rossi\'s U.S. partner revealed in NyTeknik
See:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece
citation:
I agree- the essence is that the process works- at high intensity- and very
probably all the other conditions will be solved - we will see with what
price.
The difference between the Piantelli and the Rossi process is the possible
basis of patenting.
As I see the future developments rather soon we
-Original Message-
From: Angela Kemmler
It was Piantelli who first talked about pulsating hydrogen pressure. It
was not Andrea Rossi.
Are you certain Piantelli was first for gas phase ?
The more general topic of 'pulsation' in LENR goes back many years to
sonoluminescence
In reply to Mauro Lacy's message of Sun, 15 May 2011 19:02:45 -0300:
Hi,
[snip]
On 05/15/2011 06:14 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Mauro Lacy's message of Sat, 14 May 2011 15:49:13 -0300:
Hi,
[snip]
Most probably, the reason is comets are charged bodies. The electric
field of
Yes this was not all that mysterious, as I predicted over a month ago.
It was discernible from the public record, if you dig deep enough (I did
misspell it back then as 'Ampenerco', instead of 'Ampenergo' but the
principal people involved were all known for some time.
From Peter:
...
I think it is outrigth logical fallacy to compare
Mills' hyperchemistry to Rossi's nuclear jiu-jitsu.
Why not? The fact that both processes appear to use nickel powder,
hydrogen, a mystery catalyst, and heat certainly suggests there may
very well exist linkage.
Mills has
FYI- Piantelli's process is called: FASEC i.e.
*fusione anarmonica stimolata con emisione di calore.*
Peter
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Angela Kemmler
It was Piantelli who first talked about pulsating hydrogen
1- as far I know Ni is not a reactant in the Catalyst Induced hydrino
Transition Process.
In judging Mills reaction to the E-cat we have to consider how busy is he
now- and that in this stage he has to solve many engineering
not scientific problems. The proof is in the...CIHT, it works this year
Regarding:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece
Excerpts:
Do you have any doubt that this doesn’t work in the end?
Cassarino: We did three demonstrations here in the US, and
these were non public. We did have a group of scientists
here that understood
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
greed, greed, greed… is Gordon Gekko really correct that it ‘greed is good’?
Hell, yes. I already bought ampenerego.us (someone beat me to com org
etc); but, .biz is still available if you want it, Jones.
eg
T
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
As to how ... pulsation can happen in a way that the inventor is unaware
or only mildly aware, and assuming that we are not bound to strict
definitions of sound - then the most likely mechanism is via phonons at
Jones Beene wrote:
greed, greed, greed... is Gordon Gekko really correct that it 'greed
is good'?
If you are asking seriously, the answer is yes, of course greed is good.
You can't have capitalism without it, and without capitalism wealth
would hardly exist.
Greed is good when it is
Terry,
Miniscule displacement yes, BUT at Casimir geometries those miniscule
displacements effect force at 1/a^4 -so where change in plate separation is
concerned miniscule displacement can result in huge changes in Casimir force.
This could put so much stress on a covalent bond that
http://people.uncw.edu/moyerc/QMTools/live_documents/prob_11.16.htm
This is only half the story (or less) for anomalous energy from hydrogen.
Some time ago, a paper turned up on a particular alloy for spillover
catalysis (Romanowski) in which a catalyst was identified in a simulation
which can
Jones,
Well said, I agree totally with the door remaining open for subsequent nuclear
effects once the energy is derived from asymmetric chemistry.
Regards
Fran
_
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:12 AM
To:
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Jones Beene
jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
greed, greed, greed… is Gordon Gekko really correct that it
‘greed is good’?
Hell, yes. I already bought ampenerego.us (someone beat me to
com org etc); but, .biz is still available if you want it, Jones.
If you are asking seriously, the answer is yes, of course greed is good.
In my opinion, this is not the main question. The question is: why does he want
us to believe something else? He said several time, that he did not receive
money so far, that he financed everything himself and that
Joseph Fine
May 16th, 2011 at 5:45 AM
Dr. Rossi,
1) How many E-Cats are operating now?
AR: 1- We have completed all the 330 modules of the 1 MW plant.
2) If you have a number of E-Cats operating together in a power plant and
want to turn some of them on or off, can you do that remotely (
I'd love to see a picture at least of one of them.
Just to see if they looks like the drunk plumbing job as in the last demo.
:)
2011/5/16 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com
Joseph Fine
May 16th, 2011 at 5:45
AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473cpage=10#comment-39284
Dr. Rossi,
Angela Kemmler angela.kemm...@gmx.de wrote:
In my opinion, this is not the main question. The question is: why does he
[Rossi] want us to believe something else? He said several time, that he did
not receive money so far, that he financed everything himself and that he
wants to wait until
The original comment was not made clear enough, it seems - and it was not
intended as criticism for Rossi. Greed is a perfectly acceptable motivation for
an inventor. No problem there.
However, the situation is far different when you are from top management of the
Department of Energy, and
FWIW:
As of Monday morning googling Ampenegro does not bring up any relevant links.
The link to the State of Ohio certificate is interesting, however.
Perhaps even promising.
See:
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3179056.ece/BINARY/Ampenergo+Certificate+of+Organization--.pdf
Regards
Jones Beene wrote:
However, the situation is far different when you are from top management of the
Department of Energy, and have used taxpayer money and inside political
connections for gain. . . .
Sure. It that is what happened, it is another example of what we saw at
Enron. Unethical
Agree with Jones' statement that greed can be good for society when there's a
level playing field,
and I wouldn't doubt if that's part of the impetus for this quote:
Without morality in our actions, there is no hope for mankind.
A.Einstein
Unfortunately, the motivation to gain some kind
Will this event start a greed epidemics? Tens of teams working seriously for
Ni-H LENR? The stampede predicted by Ed Storms? Will mainstream media write
about this contract? Positively about Ni-H LENR?
For the time given, no reaction at Google News or Bing News only Yahoo News
gives one hit re Ny
I forgot: Google BLOG Search for Ampenergo gives 4 hits.
I think these numbers will increase fast. When will New York Times, Wall
Street Journal Washington Post and Christian Science Monitor write about
AMPENERGO?
I will try to convince one of my favorites, FastCompany to publish
something.
And
Peter Gluck wrote:
And now I will let Bob Park to know about the deal
I predict he will say nothing.
I also predict there will be no mainstream mass media coverage. At this
point, I do not think it matters. These events have become, in the
jargon of cold fusion, a self-sustaining reaction.
Bob will not answer now I think. But I also think that the mass media will
embrace NI-H LENR, soon. Let's see.
It matters for John Jane Doe who have problems with energy, lack of,
price, scarry news from the ecologists, wars
Fukushima etc.
Peter
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Jed Rothwell
When this deal was signed, to the best of my knowledge there was no
intellectual property protection to protect the investments of the systems
integrator. Is anyone at risk here in any way?
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I do not know whether these
Peter Gluck wrote:
Bob will not answer now I think. But I also think that the mass media
will embrace NI-H LENR, soon. Let's see.
It matters for John Jane Doe who have problems with energy, lack of,
price, scarry news from the ecologists, wars
Fukushima etc.
I do not think so. Again
Axil Axil wrote:
When this deal was signed, to the best of my knowledge there was no
intellectual property protection to protect the investments of the
systems integrator.
I expect the investors took this into account. I suppose that in their
judgment, robust intellectual property
As of 4:25 PM Monday Morning (Central Standard Time) googling
Ampenergo is now beginning to point me to links that seem more
relevant, such as:
E-Cat World
Getting Ready for the Rossi Energy Catalyzer - A Low Energy Nuclear Reactor
http://www.e-catworld.com/tag/ampenergo/
May 16 2011
Interview
In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Mon, 16 May 2011 09:11:34 +0300:
Hi,
[snip]
I think it is outrigth logical fallacy to compare Mills' hyperchemistry to
Rossi's nuclear jiu-jitsu. Mills has told me that his process has nothing to
do with Rossi's and he is not interested in what Ross has done.
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:57 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
The link to the State of Ohio certificate is interesting, however.
Perhaps even promising..
Filed in 2009?
T
At 03:51 PM 5/16/2011, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
One other point bears mentioning. The output was much too low for a
pure fusion
reaction. That implies that Hydrogen was consumed while generating
less energy
that from a fusion reaction, or perhaps it was just absorbed by the Ni, and
never
On 11-05-11 07:12 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 9 May 2011 16:25:38 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Rossi has clearly lost that bet.
There is NO SUCH THING as stable copper-62 !!
Obviously another typo.
Indeed -- if you add a proton to nickel-62, don't you
Thank you, Robin. It seems we have to wait for reallly reliable analytical
data in order to know what happens. And an answer to the great question-
does CIHT work and what are the performances.
Peter
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
At 03:51 PM 5/16/2011,
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