Re: [Vo]:New electric car to compete with Tesla? -recharge stations

2013-03-11 Thread fznidarsic
I rode my electric bike today. I looked at various brands, Izuma, and ebike. They cost about $2K with a lithium ion battery. I purchased for the 1KW Magic Pie kit. It was about $400 for the motor and about $400 for the LiPo 36 volt 10 amp hr. battery. It runs well but it will never compete

Re: [Vo]:RE: Proton radius in question, after 3 years the textbooks may need to be corrected...

2013-03-11 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, wrote: > How about +1/2 + -1/2 = 0? Is negative spin spatial orientation?

Re: [Vo]:New electric car to compete with Tesla? -recharge stations

2013-03-11 Thread Brad Lowe
Its a great car. My lease is ~$230 a month, 36 months, but we traded a car in and ended up with a $2500 rebate. So the math is a bit fuzzy.. Better to try to get a quote for a no-money down lease. For a while you could get the lease to under $200/mo if you didn't want the 440VAC charge capability

Re: [Vo]:New electric car to compete with Tesla? -recharge stations

2013-03-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Brad Lowe wrote: My 2 cents on electric cars... One, I don't think we have to wait for > "quick charging" to be invented for electric cars to be a good value as a > second car. I've been driving a Nissan Leaf for about 3 months. My wife > uses it to go to work and I use it when I can. > I am je

Re: [Vo]:RE: Proton radius in question, after 3 years the textbooks may need to be corrected...

2013-03-11 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:43:43 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Well this is obviously above my pay scale. How is spin conserved when the >particle is formed from the collision of 2 protons? > >Silly me, I forgot that 1/2 plus 1/2 equals zero when you can throw 9 zero$ >at it. >

Re: [Vo]:The Methuselah star

2013-03-11 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > > are not known with a great deal of imprecision double negative Harry

Re: [Vo]:The Methuselah star

2013-03-11 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Harry Veeder > >>> Astronomers refined the star's age down to about 14.5 billion years > (which >>> is still older than the universe), from the original data showing 16 > billion >>> years old. In either event

RE: [Vo]:RE: Proton radius in question, after 3 years the textbooks may need to be corrected...

2013-03-11 Thread Jones Beene
Well this is obviously above my pay scale. How is spin conserved when the particle is formed from the collision of 2 protons? Silly me, I forgot that 1/2 plus 1/2 equals zero when you can throw 9 zero$ at it. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton > Well, since it is a boson, in Vegas

Re: [Vo]:RE: Proton radius in question, after 3 years the textbooks may need to be corrected...

2013-03-11 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Jones Beene wrote: >> Well, since it is a boson, in Vegas the smart money sez it is an integer >> which excludes 0. > > But, grasshopper, to be Higgs, it's mass, color and spin must all be zero: > > http://en

Re: [Vo]:RE: Proton radius in question, after 3 years the textbooks may need to be corrected...

2013-03-11 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Well, since it is a boson, in Vegas the smart money sez it is an integer > which excludes 0. But, grasshopper, to be Higgs, it's mass, color and spin must all be zero: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

RE: [Vo]:RE: Proton radius in question, after 3 years the textbooks may need to be corrected...

2013-03-11 Thread Jones Beene
Well, since it is a boson, in Vegas the smart money sez it is an integer which excludes 0. Seriously, all elementary particles which are thought of as carrying forces are said to be spin-1. Is there any reason to suspect otherwise? An interesting question is - if a particle exists in all dimensio

RE: [Vo]:The Methuselah star

2013-03-11 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder >> Astronomers refined the star's age down to about 14.5 billion years (which >> is still older than the universe), from the original data showing 16 billion >> years old. In either event it is way older then the Milky Way - yet there it >> is - not t

Re: [Vo]:Speculation on Rossi from OILPRICE.com

2013-03-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell wrote: > > but let's see the practical implementaion of LENR before we get too > visionary. This thing is getting too long in the tooth already. > Yup. > > I wanna see a whole practical demo as a TED lecture which ends with Monty > Python style taunts addressed to the oil companie

Re: [Vo]:RE: Proton radius in question, after 3 years the textbooks may need to be corrected...

2013-03-11 Thread Harry Veeder
why doesn't anyone ask about the origin of energy? Harry

Re: [Vo]:RE: Proton radius in question, after 3 years the textbooks may need to be corrected...

2013-03-11 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Let’s say the historic “value” is/was abound 125 GeV. I'm glad you find value in their value; but, there are two values involved (although some might say spin zero is a non value.) They have not yet determined the spin of the particle whose

RE: [Vo]:RE: Proton radius in question, after 3 years the textbooks may need to be corrected...

2013-03-11 Thread Jones Beene
A cynic would say that there has been a "value" floating around, almost as a meme. maybe for 30 years, and this value keeps coming up in models, and is hinted at in beam-line data from time to time, and its getting more and more precise over time - but it is a high value and the means to "see it" h

Re: [Vo]:The Methuselah star

2013-03-11 Thread Harry Veeder
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > >> Astronomers refined the star's age down to about 14.5 billion years (which >> is still older than the universe), from the original data showing 16 billion >> years old. In either event it is way older then the Milky Way - yet there it >> is

Re: [Vo]:RE: Proton radius in question, after 3 years the textbooks may need to be corrected...

2013-03-11 Thread David Roberson
The Higgs is getting ahead of the horse. Just because a particle within this mass range has been discovered does not prove that it is a special one. Perhaps someone should show that the discovery actually performs a function before they jump too high and far. I have to be skeptical in this ca

Re: [Vo]:RE: Proton radius in question, after 3 years the textbooks may need to be corrected...

2013-03-11 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > Hmm ... don't be so quick to write Puthoff off wrt Higgs. It may not have > been a "former requirement" but things change. Well, we don't yet have a five sigma horse to put before the cart yet. The alleged Higgs might have a different spin

RE: [Vo]:RE: Proton radius in question, after 3 years the textbooks may need to be corrected...

2013-03-11 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com in reply to Terry Blanton's message: >>> The idea is that the ZPE is the provider of *all* mass to all things. >> Is this an elaboration of or a replacement for the Higgs field? > I don't think Higgs is a requirement for the Puthoff theory. Co

Re: [Vo]:Speculation on Rossi from OILPRICE.com

2013-03-11 Thread Teslaalset
A bit LERN bypassed story. Have look at this for a better reason to divest in Oil: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/05/usa-energy-independence-renewable/1749073/ On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Chris Zell wrote: > ** > Yeah, LENR could make depolymerization cheap eventually..

RE: [Vo]:Speculation on Rossi from OILPRICE.com

2013-03-11 Thread Chris Zell
Yeah, LENR could make depolymerization cheap eventually...but let's see the practical implementaion of LENR before we get too visionary. This thing is getting too long in the tooth already. I wanna see a whole practical demo as a TED lecture which ends with Monty Python style taunts addres

RE: [Vo]:Anecdotes about teaching catalytic theory

2013-03-11 Thread Jones Beene
I don't remember an anecdote, but the prime piece of "basic" physics information for understanding a catalyst effect is the EM near-field. Many profs do not understand this very well either, since it is multi-disciplinary. The profs who are not polymaths are often relegating to teaching undergrad

Re: [Vo]:Speculation on Rossi from OILPRICE.com

2013-03-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > I predict that eventually this process will produce oil more cheaply than > digging it out of the ground and shipping it long distances. It will also > be safer. > I do not mean right away, or even 10 years after cold fusion becomes common. I suppose it will be gradual. After decades

Re: [Vo]:Speculation on Rossi from OILPRICE.com

2013-03-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell wrote: ** > If LENR became practical, I think oil would sink to a level of value > consistent with the need for lubricants and petrochemicals such as plastic. > The value of oil would sink lower than than. I think people would soon find ways to synthesize lubricants and petrochemicals

RE: [Vo]:Speculation on Rossi from OILPRICE.com

2013-03-11 Thread Chris Zell
If LENR became practical, I think oil would sink to a level of value consistent with the need for lubricants and petrochemicals such as plastic.

[Vo]:RE: Boeing battery and NTSB report

2013-03-11 Thread francis
Hi Keng, I am trying to locate an Anecdote regarding the current state of catalytic theory in physics with a little help from vortex, I will forward it to you if someone finds the link. I can understand NTSB use of the term short circuit but I agree it is misleading. Regards F

[Vo]:Anecdotes about teaching catalytic theory

2013-03-11 Thread francis
I recall reading an Anecdote about 2 professors arguing over catalytic action and how to teach it to 3rd years when they suddenly realize they are unable to teach even a simple basic theory that freshman could understand.does anyone recall having read same or possibly have a link to it? Fran