Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread James Bowery
we to find >>>> the actual Coefficient of Performance attained by today's demonstration in >>>> Italy? >>>> >>>> Chapter and verse please. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Akira Shirakawa < &g

Re: [Vo]:we're at the very beginning

2013-07-22 Thread Teslaalset
Cold fusion often is also associated with Adobe Coldfusion. For good results you need a second search item to go with it, like "rossi" etc. Op dinsdag 23 juli 2013 schreef Eric Walker (eric.wal...@gmail.com) het volgende: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Eric Walker > > > wrote: > > I suspect

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion LIVE at ICCF-18?

2013-07-22 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jed, it wold be fine if you could communicate how the Millano demo of today was seen, understood and appreciated at ICCF. The Protocol is of real help, I think. What I am a bit worried is technical problems re quality continuity of livestream transmission. Thank you in advance. Peter On Tue,

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread H Veeder
ere, exactly, are we to find >>> the actual Coefficient of Performance attained by today's demonstration in >>> Italy? >>> >>> Chapter and verse please. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Akira Shirakawa < >>> sh

Re: [Vo]:we're at the very beginning

2013-07-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Eric Walker wrote: I suspect that is not the date of something that happened, but instead > people catching up with Rossi's October 2012 demo. > Small but important detail -- 2011, not 2012. Eric

[Vo]:we're at the very beginning

2013-07-22 Thread Eric Walker
Many of you will already know about Google Trends, a service of Google that lets you get a sense of the relative frequency of searches. Here is a graph of searches for "cold fusion" and "LENR". http://goo.gl/4lBseu This graph may be a little disappointing at first, because the impression is that

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread H Veeder
2 PM, Akira Shirakawa < >> shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2013-07-23 02:04, James Bowery wrote: >>> >>>> That's not what the article says: >>>> http://it.ibtimes.com/**articles/53211/20130722/** >>>&g

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread blaze spinnaker
verse please. > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Akira Shirakawa < > shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 2013-07-23 02:04, James Bowery wrote: >> >>> That's not what the article says: >>> http://it.ibtimes.com/**articles/53211/2013

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread James Bowery
t;> That's not what the article says: >> http://it.ibtimes.com/**articles/53211/20130722/** >> fusione-fredda-defkalion-**video-streaming-presentazione.**htm<http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/53211/20130722/fusione-fredda-defkalion-video-streaming-presentazione.htm> >&g

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2013-07-23 02:04, James Bowery wrote: That's not what the article says: http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/53211/20130722/fusione-fredda-defkalion-video-streaming-presentazione.htm It says a 4:1 ratio: Gamberale is talking about the notorious scientific paper by De Ninno et al.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread James Bowery
report. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:04 PM, James Bowery wrote: > That's not what the article says: > > http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/53211/20130722/fusione-fredda-defkalion-video-streaming-presentazione.htm > > It says a 4:1 ratio: > > Luke Gamberale, after specifying th

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread James Bowery
That's not what the article says: http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/53211/20130722/fusione-fredda-defkalion-video-streaming-presentazione.htm It says a 4:1 ratio: Luke Gamberale, after specifying that were observed radiation but in very low quantities, reminiscent of the famous report of ENEA

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion LIVE at ICCF-18?

2013-07-22 Thread Axil Axil
*The difference between the Rossi mindset and the Defkalion mindset is the perceived level of development between the two systems. The Rossi system is still more primitive at this juncture because Rossi’s lack of trust in design cooperation was almost total for a very long time. One man, no matter

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion LIVE at ICCF-18?

2013-07-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Well, this looks a serious. It looks like a real technical presentation, which is what I have been hoping to see. Kudos to Defkalion. It is tough to pull of a live demonstration on a schedule like this. If it does not work I do not think anyone will blame them for trying. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:You can patent Cold Fusion

2013-07-22 Thread blaze spinnaker
"Yes, sure, as long as you prove that your device works to the analyzer." Examiner review comes *after* the patent app is visible. Patents aren't rejected before that. They do however go into DOE L&R review. That happens pretty quickly though from what I've seen and sometimes the patent is even

Re: [Vo]:You can patent Cold Fusion

2013-07-22 Thread Daniel Rocha
Yes, sure, as long as you prove that your device works to the analyzer. 2013/7/22 blaze spinnaker > I'm glad the baseline for this conversation is that cold fusion patents > are possible. A step in the right direction. > > Anyways, if Defkalion has patented anything they should have been revea

Re: [Vo]:You can patent Cold Fusion

2013-07-22 Thread blaze spinnaker
I'm glad the baseline for this conversation is that cold fusion patents are possible. A step in the right direction. Anyways, if Defkalion has patented anything they should have been revealed already or at the least, very soon. They'd be world wide patents and iirc: you can't delay those.

Re: [Vo]:You can patent Cold Fusion

2013-07-22 Thread Alain Sepeda
I doubt they did not patent something, but like fire, it is hard to patent cold fusion... however every year there are patent about engine... Defkalion claim to have filed 6 patents, and only one for the fuel... You should ask JP Biberian about patents subtleties, he is experienced too, about pri

Re: [Vo]:You can patent Cold Fusion

2013-07-22 Thread blaze spinnaker
Absolutely! And that's what I want to hear as an answer. :) On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Teslaalset wrote: > They may have filed some already. Keep in mind that Patent Applications > remain invisible for at least 18 months after their filing date. > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:16 PM, bl

Re: [Vo]:You can patent Cold Fusion

2013-07-22 Thread Teslaalset
They may have filed some already. Keep in mind that Patent Applications remain invisible for at least 18 months after their filing date. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:16 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: > > It is this which makes me question why Rossi / Defkalion have not filed > for patents to protect the

[Vo]:You can patent Cold Fusion

2013-07-22 Thread blaze spinnaker
>From a presentation at ICCF from someone who clearly is very credible (and backs up everything I know / read): http://coldfusionnow.org/message-from-iccf-18-sunday-basic-course/ My message was simple: think of something useful, describe how others can > make it happen and stipulate a feature tha

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread Alan Fletcher
IBT report on the demonstration : http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/53211/20130722/fusione-fredda-defkalion-video-streaming-presentazione.htm (google translate looks OK) Several quotes -- I presume off the video, not by an IBT reporter at the event. Implies that tomorrow's test will be in

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion LIVE at ICCF-18?

2013-07-22 Thread Alan Fletcher
The ICCF agenda has been updated to include the Defkalion test protocol http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/files/day2/Protocol_and_test_results.pdf

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gone with the wind

2013-07-22 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Jones put the concept into a generic form that still demonstrated how the argument hinges on COE. IMHO the mainstream wrongly assumed that the generic case for random motion of gas expands into a law. I am convinced that this energy source can be exploited by changes in Casimir geometry forming

[Vo]:Anomalous Doppler Echos and Red Tide/Fish Kills/Waterspouts/Sinkholes

2013-07-22 Thread ChemE Stewart
Guys, Some of you might be interested, I have linked a Google Earth screenshot from this morning which shows a fairly strong correlation between anomalous, persistent Doppler Echos in 4 areas over Florida and Red Tide (Karenia Brevis) positive tests, waterspouts and sinkholes. http://darkmattersa

[Vo]:Gone with the wind

2013-07-22 Thread Jones Beene
A modern miracle of ancient technology is happening as we speak. This feat was witnessed on the SF Bay a few days ago - in winds of 15.8 knots. The New Zealand catamaran, their entry in the America's Cup, hit a speed of 44.15 knots - 50.8 mph in this modest wind. Amazing! for a wind-powered device

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread H Veeder
All the commentary was in Italian, but the guy with the microphone spoke briefly in English and said tomorrow's demo will be in English and it is scheduled to begin at 4pm in Italy (10am EST) Harry On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Charles Francis wrote: > There’s recordings below in various par

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread Charles Francis
There's recordings below in various parts - sound not working at first. From: Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 July 2013 14:26 To: John Milstone Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo It's offline... 2013/7/22 Charles Francis http://new.live

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread Daniel Rocha
It's offline... 2013/7/22 Charles Francis > http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita > > > -Original Message- > From: Craig [mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com] > Sent: 22 July 2013 13:49 > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo > > Ca

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread Charles Francis
http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita -Original Message- From: Craig [mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 July 2013 13:49 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo Can you provide a link? I don't have the link to the demo. Crai

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread Craig
Can you provide a link? I don't have the link to the demo. Craig On 07/22/2013 07:13 AM, Charles Francis wrote: > > Shows COP of 5 > > >

[Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread Charles Francis
Shows COP of 5