[Vo]:What was that cut-off sine wave diagram on Rossi's desk about?

2014-12-15 Thread Axil Axil
Regarding: "Applying an abruptly alternating magnetic field -- the cut-off sine wave on Rossi's desk -- adds further to the chaos." If a Bose Einstein Condensate (BEC) is formed in a gas, Quantum vortexes will form in the gas where dispersion is matched by non linear amplification inherent in the

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-15 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: That does not include Social Security, $0.7 T. The plans I have seen > eliminate Social Security and also welfare. > >From a tactical perspective, any plan in the US that eliminates Social Security will be doomed from the start. There is a g

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-15 Thread John Berry
Jed, your system would seriously incentivise crime. People aren't getting enough to really live on unless they live very hard, there are fewer jobs so crime is very tempting, you get the extra money/stuff you need and if you get caught you get to save the money you couldn't live on anyway so that

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
David L. Babcock wrote: What average family? Our household (2 people) gets $3000/month and we are > on the edge of disaster! > The plans we are discussing are not intended to provide enough for a person to live on without any other source of income. Not in the initial phase in the present day.

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-15 Thread David L. Babcock
What average family? Our household (2 people) gets $3000/month and we are on the edge of disaster! Ol" Bab On 12/15/2014 1:50 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Ken Deboer mailto:barlaz...@gmail.com>> wrote: My calculations (as an amateur) are based on about $2000/month per household. Assuming

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson wrote: The thought of giving money to prisoners brings up the discussion of crime > itself. Why would someone go to the trouble of stealing from others if > anything they need can be obtained for virtually nothing? I predict there will be no more crimes such as theft of material

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-15 Thread David Roberson
The thought of giving money to prisoners brings up the discussion of crime itself. Why would someone go to the trouble of stealing from others if anything they need can be obtained for virtually nothing? Would the black market for drugs and other illegal substances that are banned from product

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-15 Thread John Berry
Pay money to ex-prisoners, yes, definitely a good idea. Pay money to people who have already got food, clothes, housing because they are currently in prison??? It only makes sense if they are charged for those things while away. While the cost of prison per inmate I am pretty sure runs higher tha

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
John Berry wrote: Give money to people in prison??? > > Why? They can't really spend it, unless they are then charged for their > accommodation. > They would be charged. They would have to pay taxes if their income is high enough. People in prison often have sources of income. I say, no means t

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-15 Thread John Berry
Give money to people in prison??? Why? They can't really spend it, unless they are then charged for their accommodation. Instead it would just build up. Heck, sounds like a saving scheme, just commit a crime to get into a white collar prison and when you get out you have a nice nest egg built up

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is another article about this subject: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/upshot/as-robots-grow-smarter-american-workers-struggle-to-keep-up.html

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson wrote: Of course as soon as money is freely handed out the games will begin. If > it is distributed per household then a lot of current households will break > up to increase the allotment. Good point. It should be per capita. > Is it fair to take away the social security p

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-15 Thread David Roberson
Of course as soon as money is freely handed out the games will begin. If it is distributed per household then a lot of current households will break up to increase the allotment. Is it fair to take away the social security payments of those that paid into the system have earned? Do you give m

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Ken Deboer wrote: > My calculations (as an amateur) are based on about $2000/month per > household. Assuming 90 percent of 115 million US households would need it, > that would amount to roughly $2.5 trillion needed annually. At present, > direct Government outlay for basic 'welfare' programs is

Re: Replications. Formerly [Vo]:LENR a gateway into the theory of everything.

2014-12-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kevin O'Malley wrote: Joshua Cude managed to dismantle the claim of 14,720 replications. > > http://ecatnews.com/?p=2669&cpage=14#comment-76884 > > popeye Reply > > > December 15, 2014 at 4:43 pm > > Kevmo wrote: > > JT He of the Chi

Re: Replications. Formerly [Vo]:LENR a gateway into the theory of everything.

2014-12-15 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Joshua Cude managed to dismantle the claim of 14,720 replications. http://ecatnews.com/?p=2669&cpage=14#comment-76884 popeye Reply December 15, 2014 at 4:43 pm Kevmo wrote: JT He of the Chinese Academy of Sciences says 14,720 time

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-15 Thread Ken Deboer
Dave, This is an important thread and one I touch on in a book I am finishing up, called "Mind from Matter". I think a basic income is inevitable and could be relatively painless, as I think you have overestimated the outlay required and underestimated the return. My calculations (as an amateur)

[Vo]:today's LENR urgencies

2014-12-15 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear friends I have just published http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/12/daily-shared-lenr-urgencies-december.html I think if this could be known in 1989 and the proper action would have been taken today the number of LENR based home heaters would have been similar to the numbers of PCs and mo

RE: [Vo]:Could the flow of time cause LENR?

2014-12-15 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Axil, We may have arrived from different directions but we are both on the same page wrt “time”, patents for catalytic remediation of radioactive gases, anomalous values for s