RE: [Vo]:The good, the bad and the ugly

2015-06-13 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jack Cole Ø Ø Jones, It would be relatively easy to set a boil off calorimeter on top of one of those induction heating plates. That would certainly be a lot easier than anything else we've tried. Yes. “Easy” is good when we desire to get decent data coming in from many

Re: [Vo]:The good, the bad and the ugly

2015-06-13 Thread David Roberson
Getting the power into the load is the key to making one of these devices operate efficiently. If a small amount of the magnetic flux from the drive coil intercepts the fuel pellet then the reflected resistance appearing across the resonate load is going to be quite large. The voltage swing

RE: [Vo]:The good, the bad and the ugly

2015-06-13 Thread Jones Beene
Dave, Although I agree with what you say in principle about reflected resistance and leakage flux, the advantages of an efficient, inexpensive inductive power source (the cooktop) which is easily adaptable to boil-off calorimetry is so impressive that it could swing the decision the other

Re: [Vo]:The good, the bad and the ugly

2015-06-13 Thread Jack Cole
Jones, It would be relatively easy to set a boil off calorimeter on top of one of those induction heating plates. That would certainly be a lot easier than anything else we've tried. Jack On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 7:55 PM Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Dave, Although I agree with

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-13 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Was that not Al Gore? The Internet, which is the most important computer application yet invented, was designed and implemented by U.S. government programmers, and paid for entirely by the government, until very late in its development.

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-13 Thread Alain Sepeda
Sine I watch LENR I follow also entrepreneurship subject. first of all i disagree with the vision that all job will disapear, as I rather see that it will change and we only see what will disapear and not what will appear. second I see that the problem is not technology but the lack of risk

[Vo]:short special issue of my blog

2015-06-13 Thread Peter Gluck
See please: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/06/a-short-special-issue-for-lenr.html and a last appeal to 6 people to enter the Arena and fight! No news yet just a theory and an opinion, idea Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-13 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
It's also somewhat correct. THe only point he is missing out is that AI will obviate the need for most software engineers. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The way things are going,

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-13 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
This isn't anything to do with the luddite movement. Please! This has to do with the fact that we need to revamp our economic system to facilitate this change. Minimum income, that sort of thing. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: I see nothing

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-13 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Frank Znidarsic fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Was that not Al Gore? The Internet, which is the most important computer application yet invented, was designed and implemented by U.S. government programmers, and paid for entirely by the government, until very late

[Vo]:The good, the bad and the ugly

2015-06-13 Thread Jones Beene
As Peter laments, there are two extremes in the recent LENR news. Thomas Clark's report lucidly states exactly what many of us having been saying for months about the flawed Lugano report. The good news in the provocative site: http://tet.in.ua/index.php/en/ Which is the Laboratory of

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-13 Thread Lennart Thornros
OK Axil maybe my writing was a little abbreviated. I said programmers, I really meant government initiated education in general. It is of course possible you are right that if everyone has programming skills we will soon have more software than we need. The scenario you describe is not a future I

Re: [Vo]:The good, the bad and the ugly

2015-06-13 Thread Axil Axil
For the weekend inventor, high efficiency induction heating(93 %) is expensive. The cheap equipment is energy wasteful(40 %). But this efficiency question is only important in a COTS product. For the weekend experimenter, the energy wasted by the electronics can be ignored if the experiment is

RE: [Vo]:The good, the bad and the ugly

2015-06-13 Thread Jones Beene
Bob, There is a pretty good article on Wiki for induction cookers, but a look at the patents turns up more than meets the eye in a superficial account. The obvious part is that there is a Litz wire copper pancake coil inside the cooktop, driven by silicon to low to mid kilohertz range –

Re: [Vo]:The good, the bad and the ugly

2015-06-13 Thread Axil Axil
Eddy currents work to produce heat in a metal or an metal oxide insolator on the micro level which still exists in a metal or oxide over it curie point. http://www.asminternational.org/documents/10192/3451119/ACFAA5C.pdf/98899692-8a69-446d-ac9a-38b8fab3a160 Hysteresis goes away beyond the Curie

RE: [Vo]:The good, the bad and the ugly

2015-06-13 Thread Jones Beene
From: Axil Axil Ø Ø For the weekend inventor, high efficiency induction heating(93 %) is expensive. The cheap equipment is energy wasteful(40 %). Here is cooktop from Amazon which is 84% efficient for about $60.

Re: [Vo]:Re: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-13 Thread Axil Axil
Your idea sounds like the soviet union a few years back. On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: The Govt is good at U separation, hydro energy production in the Northwest, marine ferry transportation by many states, electric power in Tenn. Valley, Tax

Re: [Vo]:Re: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-13 Thread Lennart Thornros
Bob - I have to agree with Axil sounds like the SSSR! I say if government could stay out of all the examples you gave it would be good. I mean totally out. However, they always get in there and then they make allowances for already established (large) organizations and finally government get

Re: [Vo]:The good, the bad and the ugly

2015-06-13 Thread Axil Axil
Research has shown a relationship between the frequency of the alternating current and the heating depth of penetration: the higher the frequency, the shallower the heating in the part. Frequencies of 100 to 400 kHz produce relatively high-energy heat, ideal for quickly heating small parts or the

Re: [Vo]:The good, the bad and the ugly

2015-06-13 Thread Bob Cook
The good, the bad and the uglyJones-- You are correct about induction heating. My youngest daughter recently bought a new induction heating stove. Nothing gets hot but the bottom of the pot, and the water in the pot starts boiling almost immediately. There is very fast and efficient energy

[Vo]:Re: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-13 Thread Bob Cook
The Govt is good at U separation, hydro energy production in the Northwest, marine ferry transportation by many states, electric power in Tenn. Valley, Tax collection etc., etc., etc. They should get into banking for individuals, LENR electricity production, LENR for making fresh water,