Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-17 Thread James Bowery
Is that Oriani paper the draft that Oriani testifies the US editors of "Nature" rejected, despite it passing peer Nature's own peer review? On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Foks0904 . wrote: > Well Mr. Franks bailed preemptively. For anyone else whose interested: > > Oriani, Excess Heat, Fusio

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-17 Thread Foks0904 .
James, Yes it is. It was then published in Fusion Technology, which I believe George Miley was editing at the time. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:40 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Is that Oriani paper the draft that Oriani testifies the US editors of > "Nature" rejected, despite it passing peer Nature'

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-17 Thread Brad Lowe
This image shows the RAR Energia device moving at its maximum rotational velocity: http://rarenergia.com.br/imagem51a.JPG (I'm not sneering, I'm snarking!) - Brad On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Foks0904 . wrote: > Well Mr. Franks bailed preemptively. For anyone else whose interested: > > Orian

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-17 Thread Foks0904 .
Well Mr. Franks bailed preemptively. For anyone else whose interested: Oriani, Excess Heat, Fusion Technology: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/OrianiRAcalorimetr.pdf Morrison-Fleischman debate about Fleischman's published calorimetry in Physics Letters: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Fleischmanrep

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-17 Thread Foks0904 .
Please don't unsubscribe Mr. Franks. Your tact is unparalleled and would surely be missed. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:40 AM, John Franks wrote: > >> What is "wrong with the data" Mr. Franks? Specifically the Excess Heat >> data. What artifacts are present in the calorimetry? Point out to me the

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-17 Thread John Franks
> > > What is "wrong with the data" Mr. Franks? Specifically the Excess Heat > data. What artifacts are present in the calorimetry? Point out to me the > peer reviewed critiques of researchers' calorimetry that have stood the > test of time. > Wow! Was it you claiming one group had 100% repeatabil

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-17 Thread Foks0904 .
* It doesn't get past first base as there is no data and when there is claims of data, that data is flawed. There is no theory base too to make the real scientific community *suspect* that anything will come out of it.* What is "wrong with the data" Mr. Franks? Specifically the Excess Heat data. W

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-17 Thread John Franks
What has hope got to do with science? Your assertion below is incorrect. We know that physical diseases have a biochemical basis, so we are correct to apply the scientific method and *suspect* that greater knowledge and/or a cure will result. This is why people fund the science of cancer research.

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-17 Thread Nigel Dyer
It was, and is the hope that we will find cures for cancer that provides the funds for many people such as myself to do the research that I am doing. In a number of cases there was no scientific basis for the hope when the research was started, but it funded the scientific research, and scienc

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-17 Thread John Franks
>>> Foks0904 : Obviously I hope it performs as advertised. What has hope got to do with science? Do you believe in mind matter effects and magical thinking? Nature (excuse the pun) just does what it bloody well wants to. CF *is* like RAR where grown ups keep telling them to read the proper litera

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-17 Thread Foks0904 .
Obviously I hope it performs as advertised. So I do "care" in that respect. My point is it is novel and inspired enough to be interesting and worth paying attention to no matter what. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Foks0904 . wro

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Foks0904 . wrote: > Truly bizarre, and I could care less as to its usefulness. > ". . . could *not* care less . . ."

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-17 Thread Nigel Dyer
It will make a brilliant centre peice for a museum looking at all the attempts, both successful and unsucessful, to find alternative energy sources. I guess the problem is that we dont yet know which of the two sections of the museum which should put this (and many other current projects) into

RE: [Vo]: RAR Energia update

2013-12-16 Thread Jones Beene
Like this 4 cylinder Stirling which I was hoping that Santa would deliver http://cdn.homemodelenginemachinist.com/images/1/5/2/7/8/dsc-0004-2.jpg Running on Nickel-hydrogen of course . From: Foks0904 And the P-F cell perhaps? Jed Rothwell wrote: Yes. "If". And by "Art

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-16 Thread Foks0904 .
And the P-F cell perhaps? On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Foks0904 . wrote: > > Yes. "If". And by "Art" I don't necessarily mean lacking in utility. I >> mean its a damn fine piece of craftsmanship whatever the hell it can or >> cannot do. >> > > I agree. It does look wo

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Foks0904 . wrote: Yes. "If". And by "Art" I don't necessarily mean lacking in utility. I mean > its a damn fine piece of craftsmanship whatever the hell it can or cannot > do. > I agree. It does look wonderful. Retro and steampunk, too. Many experimental machines and scientific instruments have

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-16 Thread Foks0904 .
Yes. "If". And by "Art" I don't necessarily mean lacking in utility. I mean its a damn fine piece of craftsmanship whatever the hell it can or cannot do. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:32 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Well, actually, if they are demonstrating an energy technology as > radically differe

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-16 Thread James Bowery
Well, actually, if they are demonstrating an energy technology as radically different as they claim, I'd think twice about comparing its value as "art". On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Foks0904 . wrote: > Just the sheer imagination and brazenness that went into this design > brings a smile to

Re: [Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-16 Thread Foks0904 .
Just the sheer imagination and brazenness that went into this design brings a smile to my face. Truly bizarre, and I could care less as to its usefulness. It is an inspiring piece of art regardless of its technological utility. Brings a smile to my face. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:56 PM, a.ashfiel

[Vo]: RAR energia update

2013-12-16 Thread a.ashfield
RAR continues to post new photos at their site http://rarenergia.com.br/ I also see they claim to have posted five newspaper adverts in the Gilman IL area saying: The generator is driven by a mechanical system that is fed exclusively from the Earth's gravity. It will be the first equipment w