Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Frank Acland
Another typo, I'm afraid. The "hot-cat-data" file was an addendum to the validation report Rossi presented in Zurich -- the test was done on July 16, 2012. Both these files are in my Scribd account where I have uploaded various documents . On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > *

RE: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Jones Beene
From: Patrick Ellul Rossi's numbers in a spreadsheet: http://www.scribd.com/doc/109919735/Rossi-Validation There is a data file on this linked page called "hot-cat-data": http://www.scribd.com/doc/105325449/Hot-Cat-Data The assumption seems to be that this is the data in questi

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Patrick Ellul
Rossi's numbers in a spreadsheet: http://www.scribd.com/doc/109919735/Rossi-Validation On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM, David Roberson wrote: > > Eric, you mention that LENR devices tend to shut down by themselves in the >> HAD mode. Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM, David Roberson wrote: Eric, you mention that LENR devices tend to shut down by themselves in the > HAD mode. Rossi has insisted that his units only reach this state if they > run uncontrolled and self destruct by melting. I would consider this type > of operati

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM, David Roberson wrote: Eric, you mention that LENR devices tend to shut down by themselves in the > HAD mode. Rossi has insisted that his units only reach this state if they > run uncontrolled and self destruct by melting. I would consider this type > of operati

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread David Roberson
would consider this type of operation a defect that needs to be corrected. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 1:05 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error? On Oct 13, 2012, at 9:00, David Roberson wrote: I can only guess that he

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Oct 13, 2012, at 9:00, David Roberson wrote: > I can only guess that he allowed this operation to continue until stopped > with some form of heat extraction to defeat the process and allow the unit to > cool down. Assuming what Andrea Rossi is saying is basically true, there may or may not

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread David Roberson
all for another few months? A little taste of poor quality food is better than starvation. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 12:20 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Another Rossi error? Well, it’s too badthat Physics Today is giving abit of credence

RE: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Jones Beene
Well, it's too bad that Physics Today is giving a bit of credence to the field at the same time this Rossi crap comes out . It could not be called 'crap,' and would be easier to believe if Rossi had included data and did not include this warning at the top of the document (ironically labeled a

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread David Roberson
It looks as though they have taken the temperature of the device of 1050 C and subtracted the room temperature of 25 C before converting into Kelvin at 1298.15, which is inserted into the radiation equation. The non linearity of the temperature effect upon the radiation makes this not accurate.

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread David Roberson
, 2012 11:43 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:Another Rossi error? From:David Roberson It looks as though he used the conversion factor of .0001 toconvert the square centimeters to square meters which is a valid calculation. I wonder why he does not include the area of the end caps in hiscalculation

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Terry Blanton
The comments in the referenced link address these issues and more. There is also this link: http://www.physicstoday.org/daily_edition/science_and_the_media/media_outlets_consider_cold_fusion_and_low-energy_nuclear_reactions Which is a summary of LENR in the news.

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Frank Acland
I am pretty sure the decimal in the first number should be a comma. Rossi is mixing up numbering conventions. On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* David Roberson > > ** ** > > It looks as though he used the conversion factor of .0001 to convert

RE: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Jones Beene
From: David Roberson It looks as though he used the conversion factor of .0001 to convert the square centimeters to square meters which is a valid calculation. I wonder why he does not include the area of the end caps in his calculation? Do you suppose he wants to be conservative on th

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread David Roberson
to interpret as usual for Rossi, but the numbers look pretty good as a start. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 10:43 am Subject: [Vo]:Another Rossi error? Amidst all the hoopla over Rossi's recent hot-cat claims, and the

[Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Jones Beene
Amidst all the hoopla over Rossi's recent hot-cat claims, and the first retraction - and the notable lack calibration data, or lack of real data - did Rossi also make a devastating math error? Last night, in the comments - it looks like Ahern suggests that Rossi's own calculations are off by four