Re: [Vo]:Buffett Boosts BYD Basis

2009-09-15 Thread Michel Jullian
They say it's "lithium ion ferrous phosphate" in this Fortune article reproduced on their site: http://www.byd.com/buzz/media-reproduced/warren-buffett-takes-charge/ BYD LiPO4 batteries equip OLPC (one laptop per child) laptops, see: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Laptop_Batteries#BYD_LiFePO4 so the

Re: [Vo]:Buffett Boosts BYD Basis

2009-09-14 Thread mixent
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Mon, 14 Sep 2009 04:44:30 -0800: Hi, [snip] >The specs state or imply the e6 uses about 18 kWh per 100 km, has a >range of 400 km, and can "quick charge" to 50 percent of capacity in >10 minutes. > >The e6 thus requires 72 kWh for a complete fill up. At

Re: [Vo]:Buffett Boosts BYD Basis

2009-09-14 Thread mixent
In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:19:30 +0200: Hi Michel, [snip] >Hi Robin, see here: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechargeable_battery#Table_of_rechargeable_battery_technologies > Thanks, that's very useful. :) However how do you know that the Fe ion technology menti

Re: [Vo]:Buffett Boosts BYD Basis

2009-09-14 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 13, 2009, at 3:08 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: While browsing the net looking for info on their battery technology I noticed that they plan to build a network of quick charging stations. Otherwise one is obviously stuck with a slow charge using normal household power. However IMO t

Re: [Vo]:Buffett Boosts BYD Basis

2009-09-14 Thread Michel Jullian
Hi Robin, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechargeable_battery#Table_of_rechargeable_battery_technologies Energy density of LiFePO4 is not as good as Li ion (0.1 kWh/Kg vs 0.16 kWh/Kg), which means their 72 kWh battery must weigh 720Kg --which may not be much of a problem since EVs have re

Re: [Vo]:Buffett Boosts BYD Basis

2009-09-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sun, 13 Sep 2009 05:43:11 -0800: Hi, [snip] >Yes. That's bad news and good news. It means some kind of permanent >home energy storage system is needed if quick charging is a >necessity. Wide use of such a system, combined with smart meters, >could pr

Re: [Vo]:Buffett Boosts BYD Basis

2009-09-13 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 13, 2009, at 3:29 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: Horace and Terry, if you read carefully, they say: ""- Normal charge: Household electric power socket - Quick charge: 50% capacity in 10mins " It's the normal charge which can be done through a 220V outlet, not the quick charge. The typical

Re: [Vo]:Buffett Boosts BYD Basis

2009-09-13 Thread Michel Jullian
Horace and Terry, if you read carefully, they say: ""- Normal charge: Household electric power socket - Quick charge: 50% capacity in 10mins " It's the normal charge which can be done through a 220V outlet, not the quick charge. However Horace's calculations made me realize that the kind of grid

Re: [Vo]:Buffett Boosts BYD Basis

2009-09-12 Thread Terry Blanton
On 9/12/09, Horace Heffner wrote: > > On Sep 12, 2009, at 6:34 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > > > > Here are the E6 specs: > > > > http://www.byd.com/showroom.php?car=e6&index=2 > > > > The specifications in the above look totally bogus! Yes, there seems to be something "lost in translation". You mi

Re: [Vo]:Buffett Boosts BYD Basis

2009-09-12 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 12, 2009, at 6:34 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: Here are the E6 specs: http://www.byd.com/showroom.php?car=e6&index=2 The specifications in the above look totally bogus! The fact they don't use proper capitalization in the physical units might be expected, but either the specs were "de

Re: [Vo]:Buffett Boosts BYD Basis

2009-09-12 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 12, 2009, at 6:34 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: Here are the E6 specs: http://www.byd.com/showroom.php?car=e6&index=2 The specifications look totally bogus! The fact they don't use proper capitalization in the physical units might be expected, but either the specs were "developed" by

RE: [Vo]:Buffett Boosts BYD Basis

2009-09-12 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE57U1NI20090831 China's BYD says Buffett wants to raise stake This car is essentially the Chinese version of the Chevy "Volt" and because it is improved in many ways over the volt - they (with Buff

[Vo]:Buffett Boosts BYD Basis

2009-09-12 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE57U1NI20090831 China's BYD says Buffett wants to raise stake By Joanne Chiu HONG KONG (Reuters) - U.S. billionaire Warren Buffett intends to raise his stake in Chinese electric car and battery maker BYD Co Ltd (1211.HK), BYD's chairman said on M