Re: [Vo]:Casimir effect and SR to explain fractional states

2010-01-10 Thread Frank
David, I can't help you with the math description of virtual particles giving rise to Casimir effect as you put it, but, as to your final question Is their ground state determined by the zero point energy? I am convinced that YES, the ground state is determined by zero point energy

Re: [Vo]:Casimir effect and SR to explain fractional states

2010-01-09 Thread Mauro Lacy
Jones Beene wrote: ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superluminal_motion Hi The referenced paper in Note 9 Lunar Laser Ranging Test of the Invariance of c. D Gezari. NASA. Dec '09.[2] http://arxiv.org/abs/0912.3934v2 is a very interesting paper. Thanks again, Jones. It provides a

RE: [Vo]:Casimir effect and SR to explain fractional states

2010-01-09 Thread Jones Beene
No, I cannot see the flaw, but I do find the conclusions very provocative - and, given the extreme minority conclusion - there is a great incentive for everyone who disagrees to assert a flaw: 1) This is an apparent first-order violation of local Lorentz invariance; light propagates in an

Re: [Vo]:Casimir effect and SR to explain fractional states

2010-01-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: No, I cannot see the flaw, but I do find the conclusions very provocative – and, given the extreme minority conclusion - there is a great incentive for everyone who disagrees to assert a flaw: From my POV, the speed of

Re: [Vo]:Casimir effect and SR to explain fractional states

2010-01-09 Thread Mauro Lacy
Jones Beene wrote: No, I cannot see the flaw, but I do find the conclusions very provocative – and, given the extreme minority conclusion - there is a great incentive for everyone who disagrees to assert a flaw: Indeed. 1) This is an apparent first-order violation of local Lorentz

Re: [Vo]:Casimir effect and SR to explain fractional states

2010-01-09 Thread David Jonsson
Can someone tell me how to describe the virtual particles giving rise to the Casimir effect? I assume it can be described in simple terms like densities of electron positron pairs and other particles. Would one way to determine them be to calculate what electron positron densities gives rise to

[Vo]:Casimir effect and SR to explain fractional states

2010-01-07 Thread froarty572
I read an interesting post and comments on Casimir effect that has me considering how SR and spatial confinement might explain fractional quantum states in a Casimir cavity. The post was from 2007 and I don’t know if my comment will ever be added but I brought it here because I think it may

RE: [Vo]:Casimir effect and SR to explain fractional states

2010-01-07 Thread Jones Beene
...@comcast.net Subject: [Vo]:Casimir effect and SR to explain fractional states I read an interesting post and comments on Casimir https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=22973357postID=6789751066575862953page=1token

Re: [Vo]:Casimir effect and SR to explain fractional states

2010-01-07 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/07/2010 11:57 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Fran, On the other hand, to wax a bit impolite spatially - the closest giant elliptical galaxy to Earth and usually the brightest radio sources in the sky is called M87. In 1999 astronomers were interested in a jet of particles being emitted,

RE: [Vo]:Casimir effect and SR to explain fractional states

2010-01-07 Thread Jones Beene
Problem is Stephen, you did not read the part where it explains that the narrow-angle model does not apply when the jet is more than 19° from our line-of-sight. In the case of M87, the best evidence (from Hubble, and it was not available before that) suggests that the jet is in fact about 43° to

Re: [Vo]:Casimir effect and SR to explain fractional states

2010-01-07 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/07/2010 03:08 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Problem is Stephen, you did not read the part where it explains that the narrow-angle model does not apply when the jet is more than 19° from our line-of-sight. In the case of M87, the best evidence (from Hubble, and it was not available before

RE: [Vo]:Casimir effect and SR to explain fractional states

2010-01-07 Thread Jones Beene
Stephen, What makes you think they're spinning it, rather than merely looking for what seems the most likely explanation given what is currently known? That is a bit idealistic, since there is a direct physical observation, and the spinners are trying to deny the validity of observation by

Re: [Vo]:Casimir effect and SR to explain fractional states

2010-01-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: That is the nature of spin, isn't it? What goes around, comes around. Spinning implies torsion, eh? Terry Vortex is definitely NOT a no-spin zone.