Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-15 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:40 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: This is the sort of thing that makes me think that the primary energy release mode is via fast particles, e.g. protons, alphas, or even heavier nuclei (from a clean fission reaction). These don't usually produce much in the way of

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-15 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: What are ways, known or hypothesized, to preferentially get fast particles? Sorry about this question -- this is sort of the big one, I suppose. There's catalysis of helium by way of fractional hydrogen, for example. You may have even already answered this question. Eric

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:43:52 -0700: Hi, [snip] On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:40 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: This is the sort of thing that makes me think that the primary energy release mode is via fast particles, e.g. protons, alphas, or even heavier nuclei

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:27 PM 7/11/2012, David Roberson wrote: Abd, do you have information concerning the relative magnitude of the power input drop relative to the nominal value in its absence? Are we speaking of a large percentage change? The change is significant. I saw this in certain data, and

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:00 PM 7/11/2012, Rich Murray wrote: maybe, the cathode becomes coated with many micro and nano bubbles, raising its surface electrical resistance -- then micro and nano explosions on the surface, which quickly becomes much more rugged with tractal geometry, expose the metal directly to the

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:44 PM 7/11/2012, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Could this be an indication of the onset of ballistic conduction in some micro-/nano-channels? I first want to know what this is before going much into possible explanations! The proposed explanation here seems overly complex to me,

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:07 PM 7/11/2012, Axil Axil wrote: Could this be an indication of the establishment of entangled electron states resulting in mass increase related to heavy electrons? Recently, heavy electrons have been shown to be an indicator of an onset of superconductive conditions. Axil Gee,

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:19 PM 7/11/2012, Nigel Dyer wrote: I would agree that looking at the physical state of the water/bubbles at the surface of the electrode is a good idea. There was some work done many years ago on the sound of various chemical reactions. The sound of jelly setting was particularly odd

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:29 PM 7/11/2012, David Roberson wrote: A thought occurred to me concerning the drop in equivalent resistance that this thread covers. It would be quite important if the drop were due to a reverse voltage generated by the LENR mechanism that could be improved in such a manner as to act

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-12 Thread Axil Axil
Here is a way to test my guess. One indicator that the alpha particles come from fusion is a lack of light nuclear transmutation products; products with an atomic number less than the cathode material. From the begining, the assumption has always been that helium is a product of deuterium

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-12 Thread David Roberson
An alternative to fusion is the lowering of the coulomb barrier which increases the probability of alpha particle emissions from the heavy element nucleus. I must not understand your point here. If the barrier is lowered then it would seem that an alpha particle would exhibit less of a

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-12 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:59:54 -0700: Hi, [snip] Ed Storms has estimated that to generate 1 watt of power, a typical output, by way of helium production, you would need on the order of 10^12 reactions per second. (I think this is probably for a 1 cm^3 volume, but

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-12 Thread Axil Axil
The coulomb barrier is symmetric. It is just as hard to get a proton out of the nucleus as it is to get a proton into a it. In 1928, George Gamow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gamow had solved the theory of the alpha decay via tunneling. The alpha particle is trapped in a potential well

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:49 PM 7/12/2012, Axil Axil wrote: Here is a way to test my guess. One indicator that the alpha particles come from fusion is a lack of light nuclear transmutation products; products with an atomic number less than the cathode material. The indicator that helium is coming from fusion

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-12 Thread Axil Axil
*The indicator that helium is coming from fusion is that it is correlated to anomalous heat, in the FPHE, at approximately the deuterium fusion ratio. * This assumption must be tested. If the precise composition of the reaction ash from the reaction is studied in detail, assumptions about the

[Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-11 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
(this was also posted to the private list for CMNS researchers.) It's come to my attention that some researchers have frequently observed a sudden drop in resistance of electrolytic cells associated with the onset of XP bursts. I'm seeking to document this. In experiments where there is

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-11 Thread David Roberson
Abd, do you have information concerning the relative magnitude of the power input drop relative to the nominal value in its absence? Are we speaking of a large percentage change? Dave -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-11 Thread pagnucco
Could this be an indication of the onset of ballistic conduction in some micro-/nano-channels? Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: (this was also posted to the private list for CMNS researchers.) It's come to my attention that some researchers have frequently observed a sudden drop in resistance of

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-11 Thread Rich Murray
maybe, the cathode becomes coated with many micro and nano bubbles, raising its surface electrical resistance -- then micro and nano explosions on the surface, which quickly becomes much more rugged with tractal geometry, expose the metal directly to the electrolyte, with reduced average

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-11 Thread Axil Axil
Could this be an indication of the establishment of entangled electron states resulting in mass increase related to heavy electrons? Recently, heavy electrons have been shown to be an indicator of an onset of superconductive conditions. Axil On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:44 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-11 Thread Nigel Dyer
I would agree that looking at the physical state of the water/bubbles at the surface of the electrode is a good idea. There was some work done many years ago on the sound of various chemical reactions. The sound of jelly setting was particularly odd (another situation where water is

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: It's come to my attention that some researchers have frequently observed a sudden drop in resistance of electrolytic cells associated with the onset of XP bursts. I'm seeking to document this. I skimmed over

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-11 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: What I like about strong magnetic fields is that they bring gamma quenching just a little bit more into the realm of possibility. They could, for instance, lead to synchrotron radiation, although synchrotron radiation might imply a 511 keV peak. I omitted the important point

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-11 Thread David Roberson
Eric, I see that you are looking into gamma quenching as a method to control the dangerous gammas which are expected to be released by the reactions. Do you think that the process is virtually perfect such that there are essentially no gammas escaping to the outside world? I might accept

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-11 Thread Eric Walker
You wrote: Eric, I see that you are looking into gamma quenching as a method to control the dangerous gammas which are expected to be released by the reactions. Yes, unfortunately. It took me a little while to move away from neutron production, so there's still hope that I'll give up on

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-11 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: In my ignorance I am not able to get from p+p or p+D to tritium or helium-3, a decay product of tritium, without electron capture or something even more mysterious. I should clarify that what I'm hoping to find is an aneutronic reaction to get to tritium or helium-3. If you allow

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-11 Thread David Roberson
Eric Walker wrote: Yes, unfortunately. It took me a little while to move away from neutron production, so there's still hope that I'll give up on gamma quenching as well at some point. I think that we should give consideration to every possible concept that arises until Rossi or some of the

Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect

2012-07-11 Thread David Roberson
Eric, I think that tritium naturally undergoes beta decay to form helium-3. This process does not release any neutrons but it has a very slow decay rate which might not demonstrate much helium-3 during our time frame. Helium-4 is a strange acting element. It has an incredible amount of