RE: [Vo]:More delusional scientists, and over 60,000 publications!

2013-05-29 Thread DJ Cravens
xperimenter. Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 22:54:15 +1200 Subject: Re: [Vo]:More delusional scientists, and over 60,000 publications! From: berry.joh...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reproducibility is indeed the crux of most alt/fringe science technologies. Conventional science is not so willi

Re: [Vo]:More delusional scientists, and over 60,000 publications!

2013-05-29 Thread Alain Sepeda
maye be they could change their position because a board of physicist did not publish a Fatwa claiming tha HTSC was pseudo-science and crook job, and because it was easier to reproduce... the pattern of thing that are accepted are qite clear : - fact should be so huge that it is stupid to deny - t

Re: [Vo]:More delusional scientists, and over 60,000 publications!

2013-05-29 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote: > that point merit some correction > > http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?815-Celani-discovery-of-High-Temp-Superconduction-rejected

Re: [Vo]:More delusional scientists, and over 60,000 publications!

2013-05-29 Thread Alain Sepeda
that point merit some correction http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?815-Celani-discovery-of-High-Temp-Superconduction-rejected Celani found HTSC as an anomaly

Re: [Vo]:More delusional scientists, and over 60,000 publications!

2013-05-29 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: > > But excess heat is certain in the > 2011 series of experiments and this test of the Professors too. > You mean *you* are certain. Others are not. To say "something is certain" should mean that certainty represents some kind of consensus, an

Re: [Vo]:More delusional scientists, and over 60,000 publications!

2013-05-29 Thread John Berry
Reproducibility is indeed the crux of most alt/fringe science technologies. Conventional science is not so willing to accept hard to reproduce effects as real, effects where not all of the requirements for reproducibility are known or readily controllable. This does not mean that these effects ca

Re: [Vo]:More delusional scientists, and over 60,000 publications!

2013-05-29 Thread Peter Gluck
It was parallel thinking, I well know each field has its own characteristics and fate. Cold Fusion had the problem of reproducibility from the very start this is the real cause of its bad reputation. Theoretical weakness has just added to the problem- it seems to be so intellectual. I understand yo

Re: [Vo]:More delusional scientists, and over 60,000 publications!

2013-05-29 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: > Both HTSC and CF were discovered before their time both > are very different from what was thought in the moments > of discovery and both need new tools, concepts and ideas > in order to be understood.. > The validity of the HTSC evidence say

Re: [Vo]:More delusional scientists, and over 60,000 publications!

2013-05-29 Thread Peter Gluck
Both HTSC and CF were discovered before their time both are very different from what was thought in the moments of discovery and both need new tools, concepts and ideas in order to be understood.. For LENR I recommend you to watch very carefully and without prejudices what our colleague Axil says.

Re: [Vo]:More delusional scientists, and over 60,000 publications!

2013-05-29 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: > "There have been more than 60,000 papers published on high-temperature > superconductive material since its discovery in 1986," said Jak Chakhalian, > professor of physics at the University of Arkansas. "Unfortunately, as of > today we have **

RE: [Vo]:More delusional scientists, and over 60,000 publications!

2013-05-28 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
mg: I've responded offlist. -mi From: mark.gi...@gmail.com [mailto:mark.gi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Mark Gibbs Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:07 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:More delusional scientists, and over 60,000 publications! Mark, If I get a chance may I

Re: [Vo]:More delusional scientists, and over 60,000 publications!

2013-05-28 Thread Mark Gibbs
Mark, If I get a chance may I quote you? [mg] On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: > "There have been more than 60,000 papers published on high-temperature > superconductive material since its discovery in 1986," said Jak Chakhalian, > professor of physics at the University of

[Vo]:More delusional scientists, and over 60,000 publications!

2013-05-28 Thread Mark Iverson
"There have been more than 60,000 papers published on high-temperature superconductive material since its discovery in 1986," said Jak Chakhalian, professor of physics at the University of Arkansas. "Unfortunately, as of today we have *zero theoretical understanding* of the mechanism behind this en