Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
leaking pen wrote: > my laptop coming back from a hibernate function, 2 gigs of ram, takes > about twice as long as the initial boot. i dont use hibernate > anymore, i just shutdown and then restart. Well, *when it works*, it is fast. That's my point. It seems to work okay with Windows Vista. I

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-31 Thread Terry Blanton
Agreed. My Compaq laptop which cost over a grand never comes back from hib. right. Often, the keyboard does not work. I always shutdown. Bootstrapping with XP is much quicker on that laptop. Terry On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 3:08 PM, leaking pen wrote: > my laptop coming back from a hibernate fu

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-31 Thread leaking pen
my laptop coming back from a hibernate function, 2 gigs of ram, takes about twice as long as the initial boot. i dont use hibernate anymore, i just shutdown and then restart. and, nothing ever works right after coming back from hibernate. Again, ive not used newer macs, but both my classic II an

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Years ago, Toyota issued a recall for Prius computers that were locking up > and crashing while the vehicle was underway at high speed. I bet they used a word other than "crash". :-) Happy New Year, Vorts! Terry

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: > My point is that nothing happens between system clock pulses. The state of > a computer remains unchanged. With fast and cheap NV memory, you could > build a PC that could literally suspend its state between processor pulses > and instantly restore the PC to the state be

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-31 Thread Terry Blanton
My point is that nothing happens between system clock pulses. The state of a computer remains unchanged. With fast and cheap NV memory, you could build a PC that could literally suspend its state between processor pulses and instantly restore the PC to the state before suspension. Many believe t

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: ". . . whether the RAM saves its content or not, during startup it is entirely rewritten anyway. In fact, this is exactly what happens during recovery from sleep or hibernation: the RAM contents are loaded from the disk. This takes practically no time." It is the same process as a virtua

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-31 Thread Edmund Storms
Apparently, the time a Mac takes to load depends on what it has to load. When my iMac was new using OS10.4, it took about a minute to load, which was immediately impressive. Now after switching to OS10.5 and adding many programs, it takes 6 minutes. As a result, I don't start from complet

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: What happens during start-up of a PC? Various things happen, such as looking around for plug-and-play components (as Hoyt Stearns noted). You can see this happen as the CD-ROM starts up and stops. The important point about nonvolatile RAM is that whether the RAM saves its c

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-31 Thread Terry Blanton
What happens during start-up of a PC? Terry On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > David Jonsson wrote: > >> Why don't you use the sleep or hibernate functions? > > It doesn't work very well. You have to clear out the RAM garbage at least > once a day, in my experience. > > For

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Jonsson wrote: Why don't you use the sleep or hibernate functions? It doesn't work very well. You have to clear out the RAM garbage at least once a day, in my experience. For the same reason, the nonvolatile memory such as the Memristor will not help PC start-up speeds much. Solid state

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
leaking pen wrote: as for speed, the intel 80286 chip, released in 1982 was 6 mhz. high end pcs these days are 3 ghz. about 500 times faster. It is much more than that! I measured an increase of ~500 times between 1980 and 1995. The clock speed is not the only factor. CPUs were converted

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-31 Thread Terry Blanton
There is a new innovation in electronics which will renew the computing industry: http://www.hpl.hp.com/news/2008/apr-jun/memristor.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memristor This two port device is "written" by a voltage and duration (fixing its resistance) and "read" by a much lower voltage.

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-31 Thread David Jonsson
Why don't you use the sleep or hibernate functions? David On 12/31/08, Jim Dickenson wrote: > Hi, > > And MS networking is still very slow if something is not out there or > dies on the network - it sits in some sort of tight loop eating all > the cpu cycles until a timeout occurs. I don't thin

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-30 Thread Jim Dickenson
Hi, And MS networking is still very slow if something is not out there or dies on the network - it sits in some sort of tight loop eating all the cpu cycles until a timeout occurs. I don't think things there changed much since the early W9X/NT days (it's suprising how much of the code behind the

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-30 Thread mixent
In reply to leaking pen's message of Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:31:49 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Its saving things, turning off individual processes that do not take >kindly to just shutting down, and making sure the disk is no longer in >use. > >as for speed, > >the intel 80286 chip, released in 1982 was 6 mhz.

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-30 Thread leaking pen
really? i havent used the new ones, but a performa, mac II, and power pc mac all took longer to boot up than comparable pc's that i owned at the same time. (and double checking with a friend with a g5, it takes 4 minutes, 25 seconds to load. My work comp, loaded with software, running xp sp 2 wi

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-30 Thread Edmund Storms
You might be surprised to know that the Mac fast to turn off and on, yet it is just as fast and just as advanced as the Windows machines. The flaw is Microsoft. My iMac runs both operating systems so I can do most of the real work using a friendly environment and switch to Windows only whe

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-30 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:56 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers It is common knowledge that in the not so distant future hard disks will be replaced with solid state memory, and MPP a

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-30 Thread leaking pen
Its saving things, turning off individual processes that do not take kindly to just shutting down, and making sure the disk is no longer in use. as for speed, the intel 80286 chip, released in 1982 was 6 mhz. high end pcs these days are 3 ghz. about 500 times faster. On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC A prediction about future computers

2008-12-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
It is common knowledge that in the not so distant future hard disks will be replaced with solid state memory, and MPP architecture will become commonplace. No doubt computers will run thousands of times faster than they do now, just as today's computers run anywhere from 1000 to 100,000 times f