next time they can connect an espesso machine. Everyone will enjoy a
great coffee: the little metallic flawor from Cu should give a great
result ;-)
mic
2011/4/17 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net:
Hey Alan,
All this talk about ways to fake the Rossi experiment got me to thinking
about a
Hey Alan,
All this talk about ways to fake the Rossi experiment got me to thinking
about a clever way which may not have been mentioned - or maybe I overlooked
it if it was covered already.
Was hydrogen peroxide mentioned? And/or did anyone actually *taste the
water* in the first test ?
BTW I
At 06:17 PM 4/14/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.com
wrote:
I'll say it, Rossi is probably real.
I would say almost certainly real.
But I and everyone else can, sometimes, be fooled. The only way to
totally avoid being fooled would be to believe nobody, and
Two major claims about Rossi's must be verified (cause and effect):
1. It is nuclear (the cause)
2. It gives far more thermal energy than consumed electrical energy
so there is a commercial viability (the effect)
An experiment should focus only on calorimetry since the claimed
effect would be
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
Since the claim is a 200 ratio for out/in the following simple
components could be used besides the E-cat, H2 gas tank and control
box:
1) a (sealed) room without power outlet.
2) a number of car batteries that can provide the necessary
It is physically impossible for the wire used in this device to conduct more
than ~3 kW. The wire would melt. Years ago, plug in electric heaters drew ~3
kW and the wires became very hot. Those were thick wires. Heaters nowadays
are limited to 1.5 kW, or 12.5 amps.
Jed I agree with you ... but
At 03:22 PM 4/15/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Michele Comitini
michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
Since the claim is a 200 ratio for out/in the following
simple
components could be used besides the E-cat, H2 gas tank
and control
box:
1) a (sealed) room without power outlet.
2) a number of
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Power meters can NOT be relied on.
Bull$hit! The right instruments used correctly provide accurate results.
T
At 05:28 PM 4/15/2011, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 8:15 PM,
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Power meters can NOT be relied on.
Bull$hit! The right instruments used correctly provide accurate
results.
I'll raise you TWO bullshits :
At 05:50 PM 4/15/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 05:28 PM 4/15/2011, Terry
Blanton wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 8:15 PM,
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Power meters can NOT be relied on.
Bull$hit! The right instruments used correctly provide accurate
results.
I'll raise you TWO
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
I'll raise you TWO bullshits :
You'll lose. Give me a good digital oscilloscope with current and
voltage probes that outputs CSV data to an Excel spreadsheet and I'll
give you power measurements within the sampling error per
At 05:59 PM 4/15/2011, you wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
I'll raise you TWO bullshits :
You'll lose. Give me a good digital oscilloscope with current and
voltage probes that outputs CSV data to an Excel spreadsheet and I'll
give you power
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
I win because THEY used the wrong equipment, despite specific warnings.
No, you lose because you did not read what I said:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Power meters can NOT be
Hey, let's agree that most experimenters measure power incorrectly.
T
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 6:13 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tarallo Water Diversion Fake
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
I win because THEY used the wrong equipment
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/docs/2010Levi-Report-RossiDemo.pdf
Power from the 220V line was monitor and logged by a “WATTUP?” Pro Es
power meter.
Plus a clamp-on ammeter.
So you think that a watt meter can be wrong by a factor of 200 (16
I've answered some of the arguments to the Torello fake in the latest
version :
http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_frames_v318.php
The Jan/Feb experiment reports say they did NOT check the end of the
outlet pipe.
The March experiment says they DID make a visual check.
I did the calculations
At 09:09 PM 4/12/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
I've updated http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_frames_v317.php
to include a fake which was actually proposed back in February :
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg42228.html
Although not likely I rate it as NOT ELIMINATED by
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
I'll say it, Rossi is probably real.
I would say almost certainly real.
But I and everyone else can, sometimes, be fooled. The only way to totally
avoid being fooled would be to believe nobody, and even then, we'd fool
ourselves, and we'd
I think it is a great way to fake it.
harry
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 9:22:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tarallo Water Diversion Fake
I rate this fake as preposterous. Has this person done any tests to prove that
it can be done
Harry Veeder wrote:
I think it is a great way to fake it.
Okay, what insulator would you use inside the pipe? You need something
thin enough to allow the water through and yet effective at 1 L/s with a
31°C temperature difference for the apparent 130 kW heat in the Feb. 10
test.
Why
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tue, April 12, 2011 9:22:17 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Tarallo Water Diversion Fake
I rate this fake as preposterous. Has this person done any tests
to prove that it can be done in the first place?
If you include every half-baked notion
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
- Finally, if the probe is actually in a backwash, dead zone, or side
channel, isolated from the main flow . . .
In the Feb. 10 test, at 1 L/s there can be no such thing as a backwash or
dead zone. This test also had a Delta-T as much as
Whoa! The D18 model has an electric generator and light, and they have a
movie of it running! See:
http://www.toysteam.net/wid18final.wmv
You can hear the sound change as the RPMs change. The thing runs much
smoother with fewer vibrations than the D6 model. The D2 will vibrate itself
off a table
On 04/13/2011 03:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Whoa! The D18 model has an electric generator and light, and they have
a movie of it running! See:
http://www.toysteam.net/wid18final.wmv
You can hear the sound change as the RPMs change. The thing runs much
smoother with fewer vibrations than
I know where the excess heat comes from ! Are all those *warm *regards in
his blog ?
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:
On 04/13/2011 03:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Whoa! The D18 model has an electric generator and light, and they have
a movie of it
From Stephen:
...
http://www.toysteam.net/wid15final.wmv
Great stuff!
Rossi should get a 4 kW steam engine for his next demo.
Hey, if he does that, he can close the loop, and get rid of the external
power supply for the heater!
...
Oh, the irony of it all!
Granted, to prove that OU
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Hey, if he does that, he can close the loop, and get rid of the external
power supply for the heater!
sigh You clearly are not paying attention. He cannot. A candle
needs a match.
T
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
sigh You clearly are not paying attention. He cannot. A candle
needs a match.
A minor detail. They could jump start it with mains electricity and then
after the water boils and the steam engine begins turning, disconnect the
mains and go to generator
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Harry Veeder wrote:
I think it is a great way to fake it.
Okay, what insulator would you use inside the pipe? You need something thin
enough to allow the water through and yet effective at 1 L/s with a 31°C
temperature difference for the apparent 130 kW heat in the Feb. 10
Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 2:48:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tarallo Water Diversion Fake
After seeing Harry's comment, I finally went and read the proposed mechanism.
I
have a couple comments on it.
* It's totally ruled out if the effluent is observed to be steam and the
output
temperature
I've updated http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_frames_v317.php to
include a fake which was actually proposed back in February :
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg42228.html
Although not likely I rate it as NOT ELIMINATED by ANY of the
experiments or reports.
I rate this fake as preposterous. Has this person done any tests to prove
that it can be done in the first place?
If you include every half-baked notion that skeptics come up with, you can
easily prove that the earth is flat, evolution did not occur, and Newton's
Laws are wrong. You need to be a
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