Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-19 Thread Axil Axil
! Noble Gas Engine stock also offered at about $3. Sounds like a Variation on a Theme of Rossi. Easy, easy ... Chung --- On *Thu, 8/16/12, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-17 Thread Jojo Jaro
a Physics degree; undergraduate or otherwise? Jojo - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus At 10:37 AM 8/16/2012, MarkI-ZeroPoint

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-17 Thread Te Chung
of Rossi. Easy, easy ... Chung --- On Thu, 8/16/12, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, August 16, 2012, 6:48 PM Like most predictions of string theory; super-symmetric

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-17 Thread Mint Candy
on a Theme of Rossi. Easy, easy ... Chung --- On *Thu, 8/16/12, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, August 16, 2012, 6:48 PM Like most predictions of string theory; super

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Q.E.D. At 01:54 AM 8/17/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: So, you admit to having NOT read CE web site and a more thorough explanation of his theory. Yes. Generally, I admit the truth, regardless of how it might look. Basically, I trust the truth more than I trust myself. So, you do not really

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-17 Thread Jojo Jaro
: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus Q.E.D. At 01:54 AM 8/17/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: So, you admit to having NOT read CE web site and a more thorough explanation of his theory. Yes. Generally, I admit the truth, regardless of how it might look. Basically, I trust the truth more than I trust myself

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Jojo Jaro
. LOL ... Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:42:38 -0700 At 05:02 AM 8/15/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: I was hoping they would embrace my theory and observations but I guess it is a little too early for that. Really, CE? Were you actually that naive

RE: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Park, arXiv:1203.4683v1 [hep-ph] -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:43 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus At 05:02 AM 8/15/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: I

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Peter Gluck
. Cardoso et. al., [arXiv:1201.5118[hep-th]]. [191] Seong Chan Park, arXiv:1203.4683v1 [hep-ph] -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:43 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Theory

RE: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
be tested. ChemE, have you thought of submitting it to arXiv, or some other open peer-review site? -Mark From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:51 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus A nice theory actually

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Axil Axil
[mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:51 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus ** ** A nice theory actually, however how will we apply Galileo's Principles (the Scientific Method) to it? Suppose it is 100% true, what does this mean

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Chemical Engineer
Mark, Yes I would like to post it on arxiv, I need a sponsor in the physics area. Do you know of any? I am cleaning up the document some and want to make sure i get all of the references, etc. I do not fault Abd. He has years of frustration built up

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Jojo Jaro
stand corrected, he's definitely an expert. - Original Message - From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:37 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus well-referenced explanation BEFORE commenting on it, else

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Harry Veeder
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: No, I am not making it up and it was not a dream Physics is ultimately a work of the imagination. Over time some of those imaginings are retained and studied while others are dismissed or forgotten for lack of evidence

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Chemical Engineer
OK, you are right, it did wake me up at night. On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: No, I am not making it up and it was not a dream Physics is ultimately a work of the

RE: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus OK, you are right, it did wake me up at night.

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:06 AM 8/16/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: I had unsubscribed and never intending to repost here again but I just can't stand the pretentious verbal diarrhea of this self-appointed so called LENR Expert. Sorry, honey, I'm late for dinner, but Someone is Wrong on the Internet. I tend to write in

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: OK, you are right, it did wake me up at night. Did you start having these dreams before or after you first read about quantum singularities? harry On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Stewart Simonson
Always slept well at night On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: OK, you are right, it did wake me up at night. Did you start having these dreams before or after you first read

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
a...@lomaxdesign.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 21:36 Donnerstag, 16.August 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus At 02:06 AM 8/16/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: I had unsubscribed and never intending to repost here again but I just can't stand the pretentious verbal

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:42 PM 8/16/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: Mark, Yes I would like to post it on arxiv, I need a sponsor in the physics area. Do you know of any? I am cleaning up the document some and want to make sure i get all of the references, etc. I do not fault Abd. He has years of frustration

RE: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:37 AM 8/16/2012, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: RE: ChemEng's hypothesis, Abd, at least he backs up his hypothesis with a list of references... all *191* of them! So he is probably MORE current on the scientific underpinnings of his hypothesis than you, so I'd suggest you visit his website and

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Axil Axil
Like most predictions of string theory; super-symmetric particles, micro black holes, no one (AKA CERN) has detected them yet at any energy. CERN is way beyond any energy the cold fusion can reach or hot fusion for that matter. The prospects are grim. The string people are disappointed.

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-16 Thread Stewart Simonson
I wish I were as sure of my theory as you guys sound. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.3208v2.pdf On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Like most predictions of string theory; super-symmetric particles, micro black holes, no one (AKA CERN) has detected them yet at any

[Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-15 Thread Peter Gluck
After watching -with some interruptions due to local conditions- the Theory Panel at ICCF-17, my first reaction was to go to the Merriam Webster dictionary and to search for the best antinomy of Consensus. It is Dissensus. Perhaps reading the text will be more encouraging. Peter -- Dr. Peter

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-15 Thread Chemical Engineer
I was hoping they would embrace my theory and observations but I guess it is a little too early for that. If everyone could get on the same page this fledgling industry can generate some serious revenue and transform the World! My theory explains the following observations: Ed Storms, well

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-15 Thread Chemical Engineer
I forgot one: Embrittlement. On-going Hawking radiation within a structure will gradually decay its integrity due to local heat effects as well as further collapse and transmutations of local atomic structures. This has been witnessed in Mr. Celani's wire. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:02 AM,

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-15 Thread Harry Veeder
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Conductivity inversion effects in a metal wire/lattice. It is well understood that a singularity carries charge, angular momentum and radius like any other particle. It is also understood that when they evaporate

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-15 Thread Chemical Engineer
No, I am not making it up and it was not a dream A *charged black hole* is a black holehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole that possesses electric charge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge. Since the electromagnetic repulsion in compressing an electrically charged mass is

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-15 Thread Chemical Engineer
No, I am not making it up: A *charged black hole* is a black holehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole that possesses electric charge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge. Since the electromagnetic repulsion in compressing an electrically charged mass is dramatically greater than the

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-15 Thread Chemical Engineer
The mass sets the radius On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote: No, I am not making it up: A *charged black hole* is a black holehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole that possesses electric charge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge. Since

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:46 AM 8/15/2012, you wrote: After watching -with some interruptions due to local conditions- the Theory Panel at ICCF-17, my first reaction was to go to the Merriam Webster dictionary and to search for the best antinomy of Consensus. It is Dissensus. Perhaps reading the text will be more

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:02 AM 8/15/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: I was hoping they would embrace my theory and observations but I guess it is a little too early for that. Really, CE? Were you actually that naive? Here is the situation. PdD cold fusion was discovered -- or rediscovered -- over twenty years