Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-06 Thread Michel Jullian
that one might expect 50 milliseconds or more would elapse before current comes out the bottom of the pan. Michel - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-05 Thread William Beaty
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Michel Jullian wrote: 1/ Is there any possibility that the dimple you inferred from your laser reflection could in fact be a (field-generated) goose pimple? Convex pimples make dark spots in the light reflected from the water surface to a screen, while concave depressions

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-05 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 5, 2007, at 12:02 PM, William Beaty wrote: It is possible that all these phenomena are created by Electrospray, where a droplet clinging to a charged surface begins emitting a series of microscopic charged droplets. An older form of ink-jet printer was based on this type of

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-05 Thread Michel Jullian
)= 77*10^3 V/m, so the mobility would be 2.6/77*10^3 = 3.4*10^-5 m/s per V/m which would be ~ 6 times less mobile than air ions. Michel - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:ion currents

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-05 Thread Horace Heffner
A definitive test for thread vs drops would be the ability to instantly transmit an AC signal or fast pulse chain along the thread. You have already determined the thread velocity to be 5 to 10 MPH. It would take a couple isolation transformers T1 and T2, one with primary in series with

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-05 Thread Horace Heffner
A definitive test for thread vs drops would be the ability to instantly transmit an AC signal or fast pulse chain along the thread. You have already determined the thread velocity to be 5 to 10 MPH. It would take a couple isolation transformers T1 and T2, one with primary in series with

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-05 Thread Michel Jullian
between the armatures. Michel - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls A definitive test for thread vs drops would be the ability to instantly transmit

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-05 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: William Beaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Michel Jullian wrote: 1/ Is there any possibility that the dimple you inferred from your

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-05 Thread Horace Heffner
. Regards, Horace Heffner - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls A definitive test for thread vs drops would be the ability to instantly transmit

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-03 Thread Michel Jullian
I also think the bends must be important. Michel - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls On Jun 2, 2007, at 4:09 PM, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-03 Thread Michel Jullian
Hi Bill, - Original Message - From: William Beaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:55 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls On Sat, 2 Jun 2007, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: About to go on some travels, will get some incense while I

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-03 Thread William Beaty
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007, Horace Heffner wrote: It seems to me the ion stream momentum *eventually* has to be converted into broad air momentum - provided the opposed electrode is far enough away. But far enough is typically several feet! For 10KV, the filaments remain coherent over a couple of

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-03 Thread William Beaty
On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Michel Jullian wrote: Only they are not filamentary in the monopolar drift area (most of their path), Says who? I hope you're not suggesting that, since theory predicts that they spread around, therefore they DO spread around, and no experimental verification is needed?

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-03 Thread Michel Jullian
: William Beaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Michel Jullian wrote: Only they are not filamentary in the monopolar drift area (most of their path), Says who? I hope

[Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-02 Thread William Beaty
But... there would be no ion flows near the rotor if the pingpong balls were truely insulating. A cloud of opposite ions would just gather around the pingpong balls, then all air flows (ion flows) would stop. So I bet the pingpong balls are terrible insulators, and electrons are going through

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-02 Thread Kyle R. Mcallister
William Beaty wrote: But... there would be no ion flows near the rotor if the pingpong balls were truely insulating. A cloud of opposite ions would just gather around the pingpong balls, then all air flows (ion flows) would stop. So I bet the pingpong balls are terrible insulators, and

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-02 Thread Michel Jullian
2:09 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls William Beaty wrote: But... there would be no ion flows near the rotor if the pingpong balls were truely insulating. A cloud of opposite ions would just gather around the pingpong balls, then all air flows (ion flows) would stop. So

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-02 Thread William Beaty
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: About to go on some travels, will get some incense while I am out, preferably something that smells nice and not like a house of ill repute. :) Y'know, I think incense smoke might give misleading results. Here's a weird phenomenon: Aim a HV

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-02 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 2, 2007, at 4:09 PM, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: William Beaty wrote: But... there would be no ion flows near the rotor if the pingpong balls were truely insulating. A cloud of opposite ions would just gather around the pingpong balls, then all air flows (ion flows) would stop. So

Re: [Vo]:ion currents in pingpong balls

2007-06-02 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 2, 2007, at 4:55 PM, William Beaty wrote: On Sat, 2 Jun 2007, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: About to go on some travels, will get some incense while I am out, preferably something that smells nice and not like a house of ill repute. :) Y'know, I think incense smoke might give