RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
-Mark From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Nope, let

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > Nope, let me look into it... thx. > > > I meant google. Have you heard of google. Don't bother looking in to the particular resonant collisions. It's just an example of where collision energy can be tailo

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Nope, let me look into it... thx. -Mark From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Mark Iverson

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > ** ** > > “Collisions can be resonant too…” > > ** ** > > Please explain… > > ** > Here's an abstract from PRL, which I found with 10 seconds of google. Have you heard of it? Resonant collisional ene

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
"Collisions can be resonant too." Please explain. -Mark From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:01 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit On Tue, D

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > The END RESULT is brute force smashing things together… there is NO > resonance in that! That is, and always has been, my point. The actual > interaction of the particles is by brute force, NOT RESONANCE. >

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
mber 06, 2011 10:32 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: JC: Thx for the explanations, relevant or not, however, I still think that the discussion wa

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > JC: > > Thx for the explanations, relevant or not, however, I still think that the > discussion wandered from my initial point, which was, given proper > conditions, one can disrupt the natural balance wi

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
ubject: Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:35 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: I would have thought with my clear statements about using extremely intense magnetic fields and smashing particles head on at extremely high v

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:35 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > > I would have thought with my clear statements about using extremely > intense magnetic fields and smashing particles head on at extremely high > velocities, it would have been obvious that I was referring to

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
ance to overcome electrostatic repulsion? -mark From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:13 AM, Mark Iv

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:13 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > I never said it was ‘exotic’… > > And I never attempted to explain something as simply claiming it was a > resonant phenomenon… > > Stop putting words in my mouth. > > This whole discussion started with

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
In what way? Explain. -Mark From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 11:56 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint w

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > > The simple fact is, that given the SAME amount of ‘push’ at regular > intervals, a resonant system will achieve what appears to be extreme > amplitudes whereas the non-resonant push of the SAME amount of for

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Cude replied with the following 'reasonable sounding' rebuttal, but it is faulty at a fundamental level. It is not a valid comparison... I think he was just accusing someone else of that same thing. > I guess it depends what you mean by brute force physics. To me, when I > push a child on a

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint > wrote: >> >> >> >> I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement, >> >> “Resonance is very much a part of brute force physics.” >> >> >> >> I think I need to explain resonance to you…

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Robert Lynn wrote: > It is clearly demonstrable that there exist mechanisms (of unknown type) > in room temperature condensed matter to create at least 10's of keV, check > out the rather fascinating following video: > > I wouldn't say that's a mechanism *in* cond

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > ** ** > > I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement, > > “Resonance is very much a part of brute force physics.” > > ** ** > > I think I need to explain resonance to you… > > Resonance is an in

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Thx for taking time to post that reference Axil. I'm visually oriented, so some of the charts do look familiar. -m From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:32 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny,

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement, "Resonance is very much a part of brute force physics." I think I need to explain resonance to you. Resonance is an interesting phenomenon where SMALL INputs of force or energy into a system results in VERY LARGE OUTputs. There is nothing res

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Roarty, Francis X
um energy density that discounts the disassociation threshold of dihydrinos but allows hydrino motion unopposed. Fran From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 11:58 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Jose

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 05.12.2011 19:50, schrieb Robert Lynn: It is clearly demonstrable that there exist mechanisms (of unknown type) in room temperature condensed matter to create at least 10's of keV, check out the rather fascinating following video: http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/10588/X_Rays_from_Sello

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Robert Lynn
It is clearly demonstrable that there exist mechanisms (of unknown type) in room temperature condensed matter to create at least 10's of keV, check out the rather fascinating following video: http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/10588/X_Rays_from_Sellotape/ On 5 December 2011 15:52, Joshua Cude

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Axil Axil
> > ** ** > > -m > > ** ** > > *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, December 05, 2011 9:31 AM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley > Research Center Edit > > ** ** >

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
xil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:31 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint posted a study on Rydberg matter a few weeks ago which stated that this special f

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Axil Axil
Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint posted a study on Rydberg matter a few weeks ago which stated that this special form of exotic hydrogen (alkali matter) can amplify quantum mechanical properties of atoms by some 11 orders of magnitude; that is 10 to the 11th power. The Coulomb barrier cannot protect the nucl

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > Joshua wrote: > > “So, random atomic motion representing a fraction of an eV per atom is > somehow supposed to be concentrated by a factor of much more than a million > by some resonant phenomenon.” >

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Joshua wrote: "So, random atomic motion representing a fraction of an eV per atom is somehow supposed to be concentrated by a factor of much more than a million by some resonant phenomenon." ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE. You are reasoning from the physics of brute force, which is all that nuclear

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:17 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > JC wrote: > > “Say what? That's just gibberish. I seriously doubt that Zawodny has any > idea what that sentence means, if it means anything at all. A physical > effect is allowed by a breakdown in a mathe

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
JC wrote: "Say what? That's just gibberish. I seriously doubt that Zawodny has any idea what that sentence means, if it means anything at all. A physical effect is allowed by a breakdown in a mathematical approximation? What that sentence does is make people's eyes glaze over, and think it sounds

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-04 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > The only set of slide notes in the presentation said the following about > WLT: > > “The theory makes specific, testable predictions. Predictions that can be > inexpensively verified.” > > > Well, one

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-04 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > Interesting. Long on theory. Short on data. > Long on obfuscation. A few things that struck me about that presentation: Slide 13: Zawodny is up front about the energy needed for electron capture by a proton, which is more tha

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-04 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
The only set of slide notes in the presentation said the following about WLT: "The theory makes specific, testable predictions. Predictions that can be inexpensively verified." -mark

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-04 Thread Mary Yugo
Interesting. Long on theory. Short on data.

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-04 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-12-05 01:44, ecat builder wrote: I just posted a slideshow from Dr. Joseph M. Zawodny of NASA Langley Research Center from the September 22 LENR Workshop. http://www.ecatplanet.net/content.php?133-LENR-Presentation-by-Joseph-Zawodny-2011 Its a 35 page PowerPoint presentation that covers