On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:36:57 +0200, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Applications of EHD to aircraft aerodynamics has been a subject of
intense research recently, lookup e.g. OAUGDP.
Why _piezo_ ceramic tiles BTW?
Suppose that polyethelene-covered conductors at AC high frequency
you were
simply referring to metallized ceramic?
Michel
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From: William Beaty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Filament ion jets
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:36:57 +0200, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Horace Heffner wrote:
I just got around to reading the experimental results at:
http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/airexp.html
I was surprised to see: - I can't see any effects from a 3/4
neodymium magnet. At 10nA, the magnetism around each thread must be
incredibly small.
to turn on. Do you agree with this?
Regards,
Michel
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From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:09 PM
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On Jun 6, 2007, at 5:01 AM, Michel Jullian wrote:
Hi Horace,
Sorry
On Jun 7, 2007, at 4:57 AM, Michel Jullian wrote:
Hi Horace,
Let's try to agree on simple things, in a simple example. Say at
t=0 the HV is turned on instantly and the +ve anode's tip starts
emitting a dotted line of slow-flying +ve ions
I'm curious - why do you use the notation +ve?
currents, or do you expect a delay
allowing for the flight time?
Michel
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From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Filament ion jets
On Jun 7, 2007, at 4:57 AM, Michel Jullian wrote:
Hi
.
Michel
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From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Filament ion jets
On Jun 7, 2007, at 4:57 AM, Michel Jullian wrote:
Hi Horace,
Let's try to agree on simple things, in a simple example. Say
On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:08 AM, Michel Jullian wrote:
No mix-up (I knew you meant the filaments) but a misunderstanding
about what you want to measure probably.
Your use of the word armature in this context was confusing.
I had understood from your expression the ability to instantly
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From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Filament ion jets
On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:08 AM, Michel Jullian wrote:
No mix-up (I knew you meant the filaments) but a misunderstanding
if what I wrote previously makes
sense in this light, otherwise I can explain.
Michel
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From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Filament ion jets
On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:08 AM, Michel
On Jun 6, 2007, at 5:01 AM, Michel Jullian wrote:
Hi Horace,
Sorry for the empty reply, my finger slipped.
There will be no such delay, that was my point, except of course
the subnanosecond speed of light delay for Coulomb forces to act
across a few tens of cm, even if it takes 50
Horace Heffner wrote:
On Jun 4, 2007, at 6:16 PM, thomas malloy wrote:
Horace's post motivated me to visit Kiril's website. H says that
he's restricting information, so he must be making progress.
Who is H?
Regards,
Horace Heffner
Oops, I ment to type He.
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A definitive test for thread vs drops would be the ability to
instantly transmit an AC signal or fast pulse chain along the
thread. You have already determined the thread velocity to be 5 to
10 MPH. It would take a couple isolation transformers T1 and T2, one
with primary in series with
On Jun 3, 2007, at 1:23 PM, William Beaty wrote:
How are these filament-shaped
flows even possible?
I have a hypothesis. Suppose the ion jet sustains a mostly neutral
current, with positive ions and electrons (or possibly some negative
ions formed by air molecules taking on an extra
I just got around to reading the experimental results at:
http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/airexp.html
I was surprised to see: - I can't see any effects from a 3/4
neodymium magnet. At 10nA, the magnetism around each thread must be
incredibly small. That's an indication the ratio of q/m is
though.
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From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Filament ion jets
I just got around to reading the experimental results at:
http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/airexp.html
I was surprised
I suspect the threads are nearly 100 percent polar molecules, CO2 and/
or water. This could be checked by eliminating CO2 and water from
the air - provided a foolproof means exists for seeing the threads,
or at least determining their existence through the current
readings. If the threads
]:Filament ion jets
I suspect the threads are nearly 100 percent polar molecules, CO2 and/
or water. This could be checked by eliminating CO2 and water from
the air - provided a foolproof means exists for seeing the threads,
or at least determining their existence through the current
readings
On Jun 4, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Michel Jullian wrote:
The place to start may be eliminating water...
Would the phenomenon occur on a dry cathode?
Well, you can't have a dry cathode if the air provides the water to
the needle for the molecular stream. Bill's experiments were carried
out
A post from 6 years ago ... dejas vous...
At 9:12 AM 12/24/0, Horace Heffner wrote:
Since the water molecule is an electrostatic dipole, it seems
possible,
especially in the presence of a strong electrostatic gradient, to
get a
chain of the form:
H H H H H H H H H H
Nice idea, and perhaps it is still ahead of its proper time.
Now if one can arrange the vector of multiple ion jets of water vapor to
go vertically up a 400 ft cooling tower, and with a mass flow of ~1000
kg/sec, then ... got any ballpark figure on how much current can be carried?
Jones
On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
Nice idea, and perhaps it is still ahead of its proper time.
Now if one can arrange the vector of multiple ion jets of water
vapor to go vertically up a 400 ft cooling tower, and with a mass
flow of ~1000 kg/sec, then ... got any ballpark
Horace Heffner wrote:
Wild speculation: by magnetically putting corkscrew kinks in the jet,
before throwing the switch, using a nearly longitudinally directed B,
and using a really big C1, it might even be possible to generate ball
lightning.
I have previously posted about the research
On Jun 4, 2007, at 6:16 PM, thomas malloy wrote:
Horace's post motivated me to visit Kiril's website. H says that
he's restricting information, so he must be making progress.
Who is H?
Regards,
Horace Heffner
On Jun 3, 2007, at 1:23 PM, William Beaty wrote:
How are these filament-shaped
flows even possible?
I have a hypothesis. Suppose the ion jet is essentially neutral,
with positive ions and electrons (or possibly negative ions formed by
air molecules taking on an extra electron) flowing
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