RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Jones Beene
From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson Jones, please correct me if I've misinterpreted your premise, but it's my understanding that you are speculating that the BLP SunCell process is based primarily on a Ti - plus- O oxidation process that Mills doesn't want

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
oxidized as per your conjecture. If it can not, then it is clear another mechanism is at work. Jojo - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 11:10 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? From

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Jojo Iznart Have you or anyone else done the math on whether the burning (oxidation) of Titanium could account for the energy release, which by one account here in vortex says has about a COP of 100. Can such miniscule amounts of nano powder actually account

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
- Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 1:34 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? -Original Message- From: Jojo Iznart Have you or anyone else done the math on whether the burning

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: I for one can use 2 or 3 of these units to produce 2-3kw of electricity which would be sufficient for my home. Only if you use a large battery. Average demand is around 3 kW in the US. Peak demand at most houses is well above 3 kW just about anywhere

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Peak demand at most houses is well above 3 kW just about anywhere in the world, for example at night when you turn on a clothes dryer. Some examples of heavy duty appliances: Toaster oven or coffee maker, 1.5 kW Clothes dryer 4.4 to 5.6 kW Vacuum cleaner 1.1 kW Central air

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
, sometimes Americans don't realize how good they've got it there. Jojo - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 4:44 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? I wrote: Peak demand at most houses is well

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: 1. My home electricity consumption is less than 3KW. That is why I said my home. I use less than 300kwh of electricity a month. But what is the peak demand? As I said, if you turn on the coffee maker, a toaster and one light, you exceed 3 kW. I

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Daniel Rocha
Jojo? There was a guy with this name that was banned and lived in the Philippines. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
This is the kinder gentler Jojo. Smart guy, we should let him stay. On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Jojo? There was a guy with this name that was banned and lived in the Philippines. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Mr. Rothwell finally makes an unexpected appearance on this subject thread. I was hoping he would! Jed, if it is at all within the capacity of your busy schedule would you be willing to view the June 25 video demos posted out at the BLP web site: Part 1: http://youtu.be/zGTUd68hu5M

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jones, Jojo already beat me to questioning some of your prior conclusions. Nevertheless, let me approach the matter from my own perspective. It seems to me that when you employ phrases like .deceit, if there is any and especially .active avoidance these strike me, personally, as implying

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
appreciates us hijacking his thread. I'll be glad to carry on a conversation with you on something more relevant to Vortex topics. Jojo - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
Yes, same guy. Be nice to me and I'll be nice to you and we'll get along just fine. Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? Jojo? There was a guy

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Jones Beene
From: Orionworks It seems to me that when you employ phrases like .deceit, if there is any and especially .active avoidance these strike me, personally, as implying Mills is deliberately performing a bait and switch campaign to entice DOD into forking over vast amounts of additional RD

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Daniel Rocha
Alright. I also called Abd to check it out. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
I certainly do not dispute the long list of prior BLP predictions that failed to come to fruition. I think where I'm coming from is that, at least from my perception, it looks to me as if Mills senses something much more substantial with the SunCell technology working in tandem with the CIHT

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Jones Beene
Here is what appears to be the Russian counterpart to BLP. To which most of us would say “враки” assuming we could say it… ☺ http://www.grantstroy.net/en/vodorod-nulevoj-valentnosti.html This is the first time I have run across the term “zero-valence hydrogen”. Best I can tell, it would be the

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Bob Higgins
If Mills' water detonations for the SunCell are so energetic that he has a rumored COP of 100, then why did the previous demonstration in a calorimeter (which would have captured all of the radiant energy) only show a COP of ~2? I even think this was in error (the calorimetry) for failure to

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Axil Axil
How about this... The calorimeter only measures the heat (infrared portion of the emission spectrum). The visible and EUV portion of the emissions spectrum carry the majority of the reaction energy. There is the plasma blast energy that is lost which could be substantial. The majority of the

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Bob Higgins
That explanation is completely faulty. Did the visible spectrum escape the calorimeter? If not, it was all converted to heat and should have been measured. On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: How about this... The calorimeter only measures the heat

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-25 Thread Axil Axil
The Visible spectrum could have passed unaffected through the water of the calorimeter and produced free electrons in the metal structure, Those electrons could have been lost to grounded area of the structure. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 12:26 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: That

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-24 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
I believe BLP has been using something akin to industrial arc welders for some of the demonstrations they videoed last June 25. However BLP seems to be using the units in an unusual power configuration. On page 57 of the PDF file we see: Ignition current: 10,000 A to

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-24 Thread Roarty, Francis X
at all.[/snip] _ From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:34 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? HI Jones, Regarding the July 22, 2014

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-24 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:44 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? I believe BLP has been using something akin to industrial arc welders for some of the demonstrations they videoed last June 25

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-24 Thread Jones Beene
From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson That would suggest to me that a triggered portion of Titanium powder mixture would not be capable of oxidizing since the enclosure would be totally immersed within an inert gas mixture. That is not exactly the purpose of the argon (which is

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-24 Thread Jones Beene
One detail worth adding... Titanium is unique in Mills' CQM insofar as he has identified the parameters of catalysis. It has 3 potential Rydberg holes, but notably at IP2, the ionization happens at 13.58 eV. As a metal which is insoluble in water, the multiple atoms and valence electrons of

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-24 Thread Jones Beene
One more detail worth adding... As mentioned, ferrotitanium - which is the standard commercial way that titanium is bought and sold -is nominally 30% iron and 70% titanium, and is actually cheaper than nickel, whereas pure titanium is rather dear... but can ferrotitanium be used in this device

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-24 Thread Mike Carrell
@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? I believe BLP has been using something akin to industrial arc welders for some of the demonstrations they videoed last June 25. However BLP seems to be using the units in an unusual power configuration. On page 57 of the PDF file we see

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-24 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jones, please correct me if I've misinterpreted your premise, but it's my understanding that you are speculating that the BLP SunCell process is based primarily on a Ti - plus- O oxidation process that Mills doesn't want potential financial backers catch on to, at least not right away. Granted, it

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-24 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.amazingrust.com/Experiments/how_to/Thermite.html Speaking of the oxygen in water, are any of these thermite reactions a candidate for Mills chemistry? Titanium oxide? On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Jones, please

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-24 Thread Axil Axil
The arc voltage is increased significantly, and the temperature of the arc increases radically—up to 20,000°-30,000°C when combined with plasma, The blackbody spectrum of such an arc will be bluer that that of the sun. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-23 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
HI Jones, Regarding the July 22, 2014, PDF documents: http://tinyurl.com/poj7ga5 - 215 megabytes, with embedded video. http://tinyurl.com/q28bn4w - Abbreviated version, no video. I am less cynical in my perception of BLP's chances of pulling the magic rabbit out of the hat than you appear to

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

2014-07-23 Thread Jones Beene
From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson What I find interesting is that according to Mills there is no known chemical reaction that is capable of generating soft X-Rays. Are you aware of any chemical reaction that can? X-rays show up in

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