Re: [Vo]:cannon balls and curling stones

2020-01-25 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
Thanks Andrew This is exactly what happens when a photon for a short time follows a (1x1) orbit. The optimal coupling happens if the polarization is 90/180 degrees depending on what effect you like. Photons basically have 1x1 orbits with a varying angle. This photon coupling is also

Re: [Vo]:cannon balls and curling stones

2020-01-25 Thread Andrew Meulenberg
Harry, I'm glad that people are reexamining models of the motion of trapped "bodies" on the surface of a "sphere". Your comment about the varying weight density of the stone may touch on the explanation of the Goos-Hanchen and Imbert-Federov effects on total internal reflection at the optical

Re: [Vo]:cannon balls and curling stones

2020-01-24 Thread H LV
Andrew, Andrew, This is amazing. I have been pondering what puts the curl into a curling stone for over 15 years and this week my intuition has been bolstered by letting the entire surface of a planet be a curling rink and reading about the work of Eötvös. The physics of curling is a

Re: [Vo]:cannon balls and curling stones

2020-01-24 Thread Andrew Meulenberg
Harry, You are touching on an important area that I am also contemplating. Your frictionless, smooth, planet provides a constraint to the motion of a disk on its surface. It is a real (physical) constraint, independent of frame of reference and disk velocity. What about the nuclear hard core or

Re: [Vo]:cannon balls and curling stones

2020-01-23 Thread H LV
On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 5:40 PM Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: > Unluckily the earth is not flat even in the curved sense as it is an > ellipsoid with at least a delta north-south/east-west in radius of about > 10km. > > Even more unluckily gravitation is not a constant it slightly depends on > the

Re: [Vo]:cannon balls and curling stones

2020-01-23 Thread H LV
I don`t think it matters if the planet is rotating since the surface is frictionless. Of course measuring a change of weight in the real world that is exclusively due to the rotation of earth is complicated by many variables. The link you provided on the reactive centrifugal force could be one

RE: [Vo]:cannon balls and curling stones

2020-01-23 Thread JonesBeene
Speaking of unusual thought experiments involving centripetal force, later found to be real products - here is a surprising old electrical device which explores the intersection of charge and mechanical spin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3EpyjATE48 It is a rotating anode tube (valve to

Re: [Vo]:cannon balls and curling stones

2020-01-23 Thread Andrew Meulenberg
Harry, For your ice covered planet, you may need to indicate if it is rotating or not and then, depending on your frame of reference, address Coriolis forces. This link addresses the weight at poles vs that at the equator.

Re: [Vo]:cannon balls and curling stones

2020-01-22 Thread H LV
On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 4:46 PM H LV wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 12:21 PM H LV wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:15 AM H LV wrote: >> >>> This is an illustration from Newton's Principia of his famous cannon >>> thought experiment. It shows how a cannonball fired

Re: [Vo]:cannon balls and curling stones

2020-01-22 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
Unluckily the earth is not flat even in the curved sense as it is an ellipsoid with at least a delta north-south/east-west in radius of about 10km. Even more unluckily gravitation is not a constant it slightly depends on the density of matter. And last but not least gravity is a force and not

Re: [Vo]:cannon balls and curling stones

2020-01-22 Thread H LV
On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 12:21 PM H LV wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:15 AM H LV wrote: > >> This is an illustration from Newton's Principia of his famous cannon >> thought experiment. It shows how a cannonball fired horizontally from a >> mountain top (assuming no air resistance) will

Re: [Vo]:cannon balls and curling stones

2020-01-13 Thread H LV
On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:15 AM H LV wrote: > This is an illustration from Newton's Principia of his famous cannon > thought experiment. It shows how a cannonball fired horizontally from a > mountain top (assuming no air resistance) will orbit the Earth without > falling to the ground if it is