Re: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread Jones Beene
Jed, So computers are already within a factor of 1 million. Perhaps they will have to come within a 3 to 5 orders of magnitude before they begin to look intelligent to us. Wait a second. I hate to harp on a silly toy, and a hyped-up news story, largely overlooked in its ultimate impact, but

Re: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread Ron Wormus
A nice overview (~200pages) of the brain and the emerging science of consciousness is: Stairway to the mind By Alwyn Scott; 1995 Copernicus in which he discusses the non-linear emergance of the mind from brain function. paraphrasing... ...How is the observed activity of the brain related

Re: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - From: Ron Wormus, A nice overview (~200pages) of the brain and the emerging science of consciousness is: Stairway to the mind By Alwyn Scott; 1995 Copernicus Here is a much more optimistic assessment (from the perspective of the AI advocate), where the writer

Re: Re: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread Terry Blanton
From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] The SciAm article says that Synaptic activity is staggering: 10 quadrillion (10^16) neural connections a second. These types of comparisons with electronics are meaningless. Each neuron has over 100 dendrites and each dendrite might touch a different

Re: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread Terry Blanton
From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no way to compare a brain to a computer: http://www.cochrane.org.uk/opinion/articles/intelligenceandlife.php There is an ironic error in the cited article: Micro-machines and nano-technology will most likely create the next major advance

Re: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread Jones Beene
Terry, These types of comparisons with electronics are meaningless. ...Hmm... meaning like beauty... may exist in the mind of the beholder, and several intelligent perspectives on this subject can coexist while differing markedly on the meaning each assigns to these efforts at cross-comparison.

RE: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread Keith Nagel
happen if you got the right circumstances and enough time. K. -Original Message- From: Ron Wormus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:02 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SciAm article on brain A nice overview (~200pages) of the brain and the emerging science

Re: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread Terry Blanton
From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eloquent; however, IMO, we will not recognize the world 100, even 50 years from now. Damn. I was so engrossed trying to figure out how much to pay Jonesee that I left off my DNA quote (you noticed he was born the year Crick, Watson, et.al.

Re: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread orionworks
From: Terry Blanton ... I've been pondering whether to renew my SciAm subscription. Hmmm, maybe not. There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more

Re: Re: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread Terry Blanton
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds like something Douglas Adams would have said. ;-) Uh, like, yeah, Douglas Noel Adams, DNA.

Re: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread orionworks
From: Terry Blanton ... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds like something Douglas Adams would have said. ;-) Uh, like, yeah, Douglas Noel Adams, DNA. Learn somthing new every day! Thanks for the DNA clarification. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com

Re: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread orionworks
From: Jones Beene ... From other posts on Slashdot: The idea of storing and transmitting information via DNA was also proposed by Jaron Lanier in the Y2K issue of the NYT magazine. The NYT was running a contest to come up with a time capsule that would last till Y3K and asked various

Re: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread Terry Blanton
From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Plus this query caused a blinding flash of remembrance about a prior typically long-winded probably boring posting (boring to the non-Illuminated, shall we say) - which was actually a DNA obit (or is that orbit): You'll love Salmon. It begins

Re: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread Jones Beene
From: Terry Blanton Damn. I was so engrossed trying to figure out how much to pay Jonesee that I left off my DNA quote (you noticed he was born the year Crick, Watson, et.al. determined the double helix structure, right?): Excellent quote. Plus this query caused a blinding flash of

RE: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread Keith Nagel
. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:27 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SciAm article on brain From: Terry Blanton Damn. I was so engrossed trying to figure out how much to pay Jonesee that I left off my DNA quote (you

RE: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread Terry Blanton
From: Keith Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Needless to say, the aptly named Jones has eschewed my cautionary advice and eaten a whole handful of those delicious chocolate espresso beans. http://www.google.com/search?num=100hl=enlr=q=%22chocolate+covered+coffee+beans%22 14,000 hits on the exact

Re: SciAm article on brain

2005-05-17 Thread Harry Veeder
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