Dear Vos,
My general understanding with respect to Vortex
[1] One does not clog up BW with repeat of repeat;;;
[2] This contributor would be greatly heartened should contributors augment experimental physics
[3] Please
On 5/13/06, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robin and Jones.
There's a SNAP Generator with potassium and argon filled heat pipes sitting
on the Moon, also in Pioneer-10, Voyagers 1 2 and other long term
space probes.
The potassium I used for testing the heat pipes came in steel
containers sealed under Argon pressure.
Also, I used
ect: Re: Heavy Argon, was: The Pappajo engine
Robin and Jones.
There's a SNAP Generator with potassium and argon filled heat pipes sitting
on the Moon, also in Pioneer-10, Voyagers 1 2 and other long term
space probes.
The potassium I used for testing the heat pipes came in steel
container
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 12 May 2006 08:50:50
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Negative muons orbit at the Bohr radius (BR) * electron mass /
muon mass. Hence hydrinohydride should try to do the same,
Not necessarily, Robin. There is some evidence that leptons
experience inertia (and
... subtitled, where's the 'blip'?
A blip being defined as a presumed insignificant phenomenon,
especially a brief departure from the normal trend or curve -
especially in statistical analysis and charting.
- Original Message -
From: Robin van Spaandonk
Negative muons orbit at
Jones Beene sez:
...
[side note] For those who are not older Americans,
this phrase would be much more meaningful, if you had
this mental image of an older lady, a grandmother
perhaps (Clara Peeler), standing in line at a
Wendy's-competitors hamburger joint, yelling where's the
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 10 May 2006 07:21:33
-0700 (PDT):
Hi Jones,
[snip]
Yes, as I was about to say g hydrinos are
likely to be involved but as an agent for an Auger
cascade methodology, and perhaps not in the way you
are suggesting, based on Mills' published
In reply to Frederick Sparber's message of Wed, 10 May 2006
09:33:52 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
Robin did an inventory of atmospheric Argon-40 based on
the earth's lithosphere-hydrosphere Potassium abundance and the numbers
suggest (to me) that Electronium (*e-) formed in K-40 decay (even in rocks)
is in
--- Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978nasa.reptVL
Note that when they recycle the Argon, they also
recycle any hydrinos that were created in the engine
and still happen to be loose (i.e. not bound to the
water).
Yes, as I was about to say g hydrinos are
Jones Beene wrote:
...
Best part of this scenario - falsifiability. Argon
Auger cascades have a spectral signature which is so
recognizable that it cannot be denied, if
demonstrated. And there is a sound (to me) theoretical
basis for this whole complicated scenario, including
Steven Vincent Johnson wrote.
Gee Jones! You make it sound so plausible! ;-)
Yes, Steven, at expense of about 4 half-lives (~ 1.25 billion years)
of Potassium-40 left here mixed with Potassium-39 when the earth formed
about5 Billion years back if my memory serves.
There goes
--- OrionWorks wrote:
Best part of this scenario - falsifiability. Argon
Auger cascades have a spectral signature which is so
recognizable that it cannot be denied, if
demonstrated. And there is a sound (to me) theoretical
basis for this whole complicated scenario, including
Puthoff's ZPE
Jones sez:
...
Of course, this work could all have been
done previously - at JPL/CalTech, but not
available to the public.
By next week, things may change of course,
as this is a house-of-cards which is all
premised on a handful of real (but older)
experiments which may not tie
OrionWorks WROTE:
Speaking of Aurora, see:
http://www.orionworks.com/artgal/svj/MayEncounters_M.htm
Allegedly, this scene transpired back in the mid 1980s, approximately 15
miles north west of Madison, Wisconsin. A witness commissioned me to paint
what he saw.
Your tax dollars at
--- Mark Goldes wrote:
There was a remarkable engine developed at JPL by
E.A Laumann, about 1976, that ran on Hydrogen and
Argon.
Turns out the abstract is online:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978nasa.reptVL
This adds a whole new wrinkle to many concepts ...
even to solar
Forgot to add that the patent is online (and expired
of course):
http://tinyurl.com/ru6vs
--- Mark Goldes wrote:
There was a remarkable engine developed at JPL by
E.A Laumann, about 1976, that ran on Hydrogen and
Argon.
Turns out the abstract is online:
At 07:18 am 09/05/2006 -0700, you wrote:
Forgot to add that the patent is online (and expired
of course):
http://tinyurl.com/ru6vs
When I clicked on the above tinyurl, that appeared
to have expired likewise. 8-)
Frank
has the right idea, hobby engines
would make for a good test bed.
K.
-Original Message-
From: Grimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:46 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: The Pappajo engine
At 07:18 am 09/05/2006 -0700, you wrote:
Forgot to add
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene
Turns out the abstract is online:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978nasa.reptVL
It's also been tested in an engine dear to you:
Keystone structures were observed for all mixtures. Mixtures with
argon dilution showed much more regular
Sorry for the mixup on the patent number as I am away
from home and feel like being in a straight-jacket -
trying to compose posts in one-quarter-time on a
borrowed Mac (much slower than any PC) and the world's
slowest Wi-Fi. Oh well, what can one expect from
Star-yucks, for free?
---Terry
--- Keith Nagel wrote:
Interesting idea; I like the closed loop nature of
the
system although carrying around the extra O2 would
be a problem, yes?
For the best use, you would not need or want to carry
around any extra fuel, and particularly NOT either H2
nor O2 in principle...
... as the
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 9 May 2006 07:15:16
-0700 (PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978nasa.reptVL
[snip]
Note that when they recycle the Argon, they also recycle any
hydrinos that were created in the engine and still happen to be
loose (i.e. not bound to the
From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: The Pappajo engine
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:28:37 -0700 (PDT)
Is the following Satyr, or Satire ?
Here is a suggestion for an engine which purports to
operate somewhat in the manner of the both the Papp
In reply to Mark Goldes's message of Mon, 08 May 2006 09:22:13
-0700:
Hi Mark,
[snip]
I am very interested.
was Performance of a Hydrogen-Oxygen-Noble Gas Engine. A copy is in our
files.
Does the paper mention the patent number? Is it a paper paper,
or in electronic form? If the latter,
Robin,
The paper is too large to scan, but if you provide a snail mail address, we
will mail a copy.
The Laumann NASA Patent is # 4,112,875.
Mark
From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: The Pappajo engine
Date: Tue, 09
Is the following Satyr, or Satire ?
Here is a suggestion for an engine which purports to
operate somewhat in the manner of the both the Papp
engine and also the no-Joe variant (non-orgone) which
has been suggested to use an
exploding-plasma-capacitor modality.
The plumbing is somewhat
Why would a water-based capacitor would store a large
enough charge such that a real aether breakdown
results?
Capacitor
MaterialRelative permittivity (dielectric
constant)
=
Vacuum- 1.
Air
At 09:04 am 05/05/2006 -0700, you wrote:
Why would a water-based capacitor store a large
enough charge such that a real aether breakdown
results?
Capacitor
MaterialRelative permittivity (dielectric
constant)
=
Vacuum- 1.
--- Grimer wrote:
distilled water 80.0
I certainly never realised that water had such a
high permittivity.
The key there is distilled - as even ppm quatities
of ions change the situation drastically - so it is
not that simple in practice to pull it off [plasma
ultra-capacitor].
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