Jones Beene wrote:
We are 15-25 years away from a run-away greenhouse
effect now.
Horace wrote:
Is this just a guess?
It seems to me entirely possible we may be in a runaway
mode right now. Measurements of the tundra surface show
methane release is increasing and the area of thawing
regions
At 7:12 PM 2/9/5, revtec wrote:
God stuff is considered off topic in this forum, but I'm covinced that it
is central. Our perception of threats to our existance is directly linked
to our perception of God. Our attitudes toward God sized problems are
determined by our concept of God. The
But what effect would this have on satellites and future spaceships?
If this is a good idea (and I doubt it) the orbit of the particles would
have to be limited so they are easy to steer round.
Horace Heffner wrote:
At 7:12 PM 2/9/5, revtec wrote:
God stuff is considered off topic in this
OK revtec, at least I read your posts!
you wrote "The thermal condition of this planet is
set by the output of the sun. Compared to a one or two percent fluctuation
in solar radiation, anything humans can do down here is totally
irrelevant"
The thermal condition of the planet is set by the
Horace Heffner wrote:
However, since the energy
provided by CF would for the most part *replace*
carbon based fuel consumption, it is mostly an offset . .
.
This all assumes
the efficiency of CF is similar to heat enigines, or that
waste heat is used effectively.
I think those are very safe
--- Nick Palmer wrote:
The thermal condition of the planet is set by the
output of the sun PLUS the heat retaining capacity
of the atmosphere and land. Without the natural
greenhouse effect of the atmosphere, Earth would be
an ice planet. This solar output red herring is the
latest
Jones Beene's excellent treatise on Global Warming is worthy of praise.
A Liquid Nitrogen fuel economy (as opposed to hydrogen) for Cryocars and
other LN2-powered
vehicles ranging from scooters to mail trucks would concurrently offer
a way to extract CO2 and particulate pollutants from the
From: Frederick Sparber
Jones Beene's excellent treatise on Global Warming is
worthy of praise.
A Liquid Nitrogen fuel economy (as opposed to hydrogen)
for Cryocars and other LN2-powered vehicles ranging
from scooters to mail trucks would concurrently offer
a way to extract CO2 and
At 7:45 AM 2/10/5, Jones Beene wrote:
We are 15-25 years away from a run-away greenhouse
effect now.
Is this just a guess?
It seems to me entirely possible we may be a runaway mode right now.
Measurements of the tundra surface show methane release is increasing and
the area of thawing regions
At 1:23 AM 2/11/5, John Berry wrote:
But what effect would this have on satellites and future spaceships?
If this is a good idea (and I doubt it) the orbit of the particles would
have to be limited so they are easy to steer round.
Horace Heffner wrote:
[snip]
This is really a last ditch effort,
Horace,
Is this just a guess?
There have been a number of recent computer simulations. The
number that keeps popping up, such as in this Oxford
University report, is that dangerous levels of climate
change will happen as early as 2026. Other studies how
sooner but this date of 2026 seems most
Just a few words so as to reduce your feeling of being ignored.
revtec wrote:
What is our collective goal regarding the commercialization of CF?
Is it to reduce the level of CO2 emissions to reverse global warming?
Yes, this is an important goal.
Is it to improve the quality of life by
Edmund Storms wrote:
Eventually mankind will run out
of carbon-based energy. At this point civilization will collapse unless a
substitute is found. Why not start now to solve this problem rather than
waiting until the last minute, as is the usual
approach?
Of course I agree. But this leads to an
This post from Ed has roused me to comment.
Everyone chewing on this problem should go to their bookstore and get Jared
Diamond's book Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed. Ecology,
resources, and how people react to them are very much part of the problem,
and there are no glib
Hi Mike,
you write:
Labels are dangerous:
We need some new labels, ones more descriptive rather than
prescriptive. One might imagine from some posts here that
liberals might be found sitting around the barbeque
roasting unborn children, hot waxing their black helicopters
and anxiously awaiting
Revtec, interesting questions, more to ponder than
to reply.
It depends on whether one believes in God ..or ..
whether one believes God.
Richard
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--- revtec wrote:
Perhaps
At 08:21 PM 2/9/2005 -0500, you wrote:
Jeff writes:
What is our collective goal regarding the commercialization of
CF?
Is it to reduce the level of CO2 emissions to reverse global
warming?
I think Bockris put it most succinctly: It is the basis of a way
to continue our Civilization.
I've
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