Re: Sealed Beam Tungsten-Halogen Headlamp OU Solar Collectors
Fred wrote: I pointed a 250 watt heat lamp at the sun coming through a double-pane window with a DVM hooked to the terminals. Surprisingly after a couple of minutes there wasn't any readable voltage, but there was a couple of microamps of current flow which dropped off as the filament cooled. I was skeptical of your idea, thinking there would have to be another electrode inside the envelope to receive the boiled off electrons. But I thought, what the hell, maybe if you vary the intensity of the sunlight by blocking it frequently you might be able to get something to happen. I tried both the parabolic reflectors that come with the lamps and nothing happened, no microvolts, no microamps. So then I used an F 0.7 fresnel to focus the light onto the filament from the side of a quartz-halogen lamp and you can get the filament red hot. I'm afraid I still got no reading with both analog and digital meters. I'm assuming you meant to measure across the filament itself, which is what I did. Fortunately, the whole series of attempts took no more than ten minutes, since I had everything close at hand. Your result from the heat lamp, as those filaments are fairly large, might have been a thermocouple effect from unequal heating. What do you think? Hey, an actual experiment discussed on Vortex! M. ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!
Harness Hydro Power with a Trompe
This page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, October 7, 2005 Harness Hydro Power with a Trompe Using water pressure to make free compressed air. Anyone really serious about green energy needs to know about the trompe; a compressed air producing hydropower system. A few thousand of these on our smaller rivers will produce sigificant amounts of energy from slow flowing low head hydropower. Top Articles for Friday, October 7, 2005 Green Gazette Pay Less at the Pump: The Hybrid Revolution Pellet Stoves Wood Energy For All All About Insulation Super Solar Homes Everyone can Afford Fuel Economy and Ecology: Green Means Go Making Wiser Transportation Choices: Average Gas Mileage Septic System Basics Wood-fired Central Heat Down to Earth Homes Privacy Policy | Copyright 2005 Ogden Publications, INC.
Re: Harness Hydro Power with a Trompe
Another Trompe paper, much more up to date. http://www.engineering.lancs.ac.uk/REGROUPS/LUREG/papers/WREC2005/FCT-WIDDEN.pdf While most alternative energy technologies won't compete with with cold fusion when it arrives; maintainance free systems like the trompe, roof top solar, solar windows and other set and forget power system will hold their own against the eventual cold fusion jugganaught. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, October 7, 2005 Harness Hydro Power with a Trompe http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/1977_July_August/Harness_Hydro_Power_with_a_Trompe/ Using water pressure to make free compressed air. Anyone really serious about green energy needs to know about the trompe; a compressed air producing hydropower system. A few thousand of these on our smaller rivers will produce sigificant amounts of energy from slow flowing low head hydropower. Top Articles for Friday, October 7, 2005 Green Gazette /top_articles/2003_June_July/Green_Gazette Pay Less at the Pump: The Hybrid Revolution /top_articles/2005_October_and_November/Pay-Less-at-the-Gas-Pump-Hybrid-Revolution Pellet Stoves Wood Energy For All /top_articles/1995_October_November/Pellet_Stoves_Wood_Energy_For_All All About Insulation /top_articles/2002_December_January/All_About_Insulation Super Solar Homes Everyone can Afford /top_articles/2004_December_January/Affordable_Super_Solar_Homes Fuel Economy and Ecology: Green Means Go /top_articles/2005_October_and_November/Fuel-Economy-and-Ecology-Green-Means-Go Making Wiser Transportation Choices: Average Gas Mileage /top_articles/2005_October_and_November/Making_Wiser_Transportation_Choices Septic System Basics /top_articles/2002_October_November/Septic_System_Basics Wood-fired Central Heat /top_articles/2003_Febuary_March/Wood_Fired_Central_Heat Down to Earth Homes /top_articles/2003_Febuary_March/Down_to_Earth_Homes Privacy Policy https://www.motherearthnews.com/ecom/PrivacyPolicy.htm | Copyright 2005 Ogden Publications, INC.
Re: Electrostatic Hover Cars
Title: Re: Electrostatic Hover Cars Ha la, ha la, the Baron's back. In a message dated 10/6/2005 4:49:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you mean practical? As far as I'm aware, nobody has ever demonstrated any sort of electrostatic hover effect which can lift large There was an article published in either Popular Science or Mechanics in the 1950's about the flying bed spring. It levitated itself. It worked great until it hit the end of the drop cord. Of course it consumed more power per unit of weight levitated than a rocket, I have not tested such ideas yet but John W. Keely demonstrated a hover like car in 1800's which may have worked off of vibratory acoustics.I just assumed that the If you ever figure out what Keely was talking about, and get a design for that machine Baron we'd all love to see it.
Re: Harness Hydro Power with a Trompe
Third trombe paper. More details on the trombe and siphon systems being designed by the Engineering Department at Lancaster University. http://www.engineering.lancs.ac.uk/REGROUPS/LUREG/Research%20Home.htm http://www.engineering.lancs.ac.uk/REGROUPS/LUREG/papers/EcononicLowHeadHydroWidden2004.pdf Their doing excellent wave power work. I've studied several hundred wave power systems the frog looks good. A good history of the wave power work is on their site. http://www.engineering.lancs.ac.uk/REGROUPS/LUREG/Research%20Home.htm The 1970's Lancaster Flexible Bag was a very good power technology but I happen to know that someone in the British Department of Energy rewrote a positive Scientific Review Summery to make it negative. By the time the sabotage was detected the men responsible were representing British nuclear fuels in the Caribbean. Funny thing was the Caribbeans had no nuclear power systems! But it also lacked extradition treaties. ;-) If you send somthing to a govenment department that has skeptics in it make sure you hand a hard copy to the minister not a departmental lacky. Word and PDF files can be made to say anything with a few hours of editing. My source for the story was 1980's Habatat magazine. Then one of the better environment journals.
Re: Sealed Beam Tungsten-Halogen Headlamp OU Solar Collectors
Michael Foster wrote: Fortunately, the whole series of attempts took no more than ten minutes, since I had everything close at hand. Your result from the heat lamp, as those filaments are fairly large, might have been a thermocouple effect from unequal heating. What do you think? I think that the effect definitely was a W filament -Nickel support wire, thermoelectric "thermocouple effect" due to uneven heating of the W filament. Since the filament resistance change from ~5.2 ohms cold to ~ 6.0 ohms "warm" is a long way from the ~57.00 ohms hot resistance of a 250 watt 120 volt heat lamp the femtowatt power 4.0e-6^2 * 2e-4 = 3.2e-15 watts developed. ain't much to brag about. IOW, the W-Ni junctions are symmetrical and would cancel each other out with even heating of the filament. Would a diode get around this cancelation ?? Hey, an actual experiment discussed on Vortex! Must be the weather. :-) Too bad there isn't a way to connect to the aluminum reflector coating to see if there is a Thermionic Converter effect going on. This is why I want to see if the W-Halogen flood lamps PAR 38 120 watt-120 volt do better, even though this bulb size (4.75 inch dia) can only focus about 12 watts of sun energy. Frederick
RE: Robert Green steam engine vs Hero's Engine
John Steck wrote: Could just be how I am looking at it, but aren't these rotary to linear designs? Don't see how it would the other direction (unless the piston axis were at an angle to the rotation shaft). That looks to be the Green patent, bi-axial force tied to a rotating member. The ones I recall are called "Pneumatic Piston" or "Rotary Plate" motors, John. Frederick
Re: Sealed Beam Tungsten-Halogen Headlamp OU Solar Collectors
I posted earlier: Too bad there isn't a way to connect to the aluminum reflector coating to see if there is a Thermionic Converter effect going on. This is why I want to see if the W-Halogen flood lamps PAR 38 120 watt-120 volt do better, even though this bulb size (4.75 inch dia) can only focus about 12 watts of sun energy. Astute calculations show that dissociation of an Iodine moleculeat the filament, with uptake and subsequent discharge of an electron attached to an Iodine atom at the bulb (internal) reflector coating could yield up to 20 amperes at ~ 0.5 volts from the 12 watts of solar energy focused on a filament of 1 square cm area. Frederick
Re: Sealed Beam Tungsten-Halogen Headlamp OU Solar Collectors
Fred wrote: Astute calculations show that dissociation of an Iodine molecule at the filament, with uptake and subsequent discharge of an electron attached to an Iodine atom at the bulb (internal) reflector coating could yield up to 20 amperes at ~ 0.5 volts from the 12 watts of solar energy focused on filament of 1 square cm area. But here's the problem. The quartz halogen bulbs are usually small quartz tubes isolated from the reflectors, as opposed to something like the heat lamp you tried where there is a partial vacuum within the entire bulb including the outer envelope and the reflector. Usually, such bulbs have no halogens, but are simply argon filled at low pressure. You wouldn't want to use a floodlamp anyway, because by definition, their reflectors are not parabolic, but elliptical, and usually include some diffusion besides. Not a particularly good candidate for solar concentration. Please pardon me for being excessively punctilious about this, but I've actually played around with this basic idea for years. However, I never thought of a Langmuir type dissociation, but was merely entranced with the idea of solar driven vacuum tube thermo- electricity. I have in fact used old radio amplifier vacuum tubes, externally heating the filaments with focused sunlight. This produced encouraging but not useful results. The filaments are never really the right shape to get the desired concentration. Ditto lightbulbs. You would probably need a custom built tube to take advantage of the effect you would like to demonstrate. It wouldn't be a bad idea to resurrect Philo Farnsworth and ask him how to do it. The guy probably knew more about the practical aspects of vacuum tube thermo- electrics than anyone before or since. Anyone out there channeling Philo? ;-) Here's an odd possiblity, though. If you want to try to extract a charge from the internal reflector, you could try attaching aluminum foil to the outside of the bulb and then vary the exposure to sunlight. This would give a time varying charge to the reflector and then the capacitive coupling the the external foil might result in an accessible AC current. Just a thought. M. ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!
Re: Sealed Beam Tungsten-Halogen Headlamp OU Solar Collectors
Michael Foster wrote: Fred wrote: Astute calculations show that dissociation of an Iodine molecule at the filament, with uptake and subsequent discharge of an electron attached to an Iodine atom at the bulb (internal) reflector coating could yield up to 20 amperes at ~ 0.5 volts from the 12 watts of solar energy focused on filament of 1 square cm area. But here's the problem. The quartz halogen bulbs are usually small quartz tubes isolated from the reflectors, A PAR (PARABOLIC ALUMINIZED REFLECTOR) Tungsten-Iodine flood lamp has the filament exposed to the iodine atmosphere. I used a millitorr for the calculations. as opposed to something like the heat lamp you tried where there is a partial vacuum within the entire bulb including the outer envelope and the reflector. Correct. I used that flood type heat lamp to see if I could get the filament to warm up some. Usually, such bulbs have no halogens, but are simply argon filled at low pressure. Of Course. You wouldn't want to use a floodlamp anyway, because by definition, their reflectors are not parabolic, Go back. Please pardon me for being excessively punctilious about this, but I've actually played around with this basic idea for years. However, I never thought of a Langmuir type dissociation, but was merely entranced with the idea of solar driven vacuum tube thermo- electricity. I have in fact used old radio amplifier vacuum tubes, externally heating the filaments with focused sunlight. This produced encouraging but not useful results. The filaments are never really the right shape to get the desired concentration. Ditto lightbulbs. Right. But, the principle stands, and can be applied to the right emitter configuration. You would probably need a custom built tube to take advantage of the effect you would like to demonstrate. Or put a tungsten plate in a millitorr of iodine vapor, and a collector plate, and use your Fresnel concentrator on it. It wouldn't be a bad idea to resurrect Philo Farnsworth and ask him how to do it. Not practical. The guy probably knew more about the practical aspects of vacuum tube thermo- electrics than anyone before or since. Anyone out there channeling Philo? ;-) Here's an odd possibility, though. If you want to try to extract a charge from the internal reflector, you could try attaching aluminum foil to the outside of the bulb and then vary the exposure to sunlight. This would give a time varying charge to the reflector and then the capacitive coupling the external foil might result in an accessible AC current. Just a thought. Sounds reasonable, but, for minimal effort I only do thought experiments. Frederick M. ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!
Control of the Scientific Mind
Who said vortex isn't way ahead of American Science?...or at least Scientific American. This month they are featuring a story on "mind control," Delgado, MKULTRA etc. written by (usually) the most-misinformed science journalist of recent memory - at least the most misinformed one knocking down a big paycheck (eliminating me from contention). Only this time Horgan wrote a fairly decent story. That is probably due to the fact that he has had 7 months to study the vortex archives, including the post excerpts below (which is where he could be getting more than a few of his better ideas for stories, not to mention some of his disinformation). It started with on Vo back on March 8:- Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" Oh come now. That's a huge stretch! There is no proof that you can control minds with this method, and even if you could it might take centuries to achieve such results.My response:Au contraire, not only good evidence, but "old" good evidence from classified RD which indicates that there is much more to the story than what is available publicly. There is even a dedicated site for monitoring this research:http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/ Forty years ago Yale professor Dr. Jose Delgado's secret work was funded by the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). directed towards the creation of a "psycho-civilized" society by use of a "stimoceiver." He later went public with some of it and lost his contracts as a result.Delgado's work was seminal, and his experiments on humans and animals demonstrated that electronic stimulation can excite extreme emotions including rage, lust and fatigue. In his paper "Intra-cerebral Radio Stimulation and recording in Completely Free Patients," Delgado observed that: "Radio Stimulation on different points in the amygdala and hippocampus in the four patients produced a variety of effects, including pleasant sensations, elation, deep thoughtful concentration, odd feelings, super relaxation (an essential precursor for deep hypnosis), colored visions, and other responses."This was very crude work 40 years ago, I shudder to think how far it has progressed in some government secret lab. But I bet that lab is in a building with five sides. Speaking in 1966, Delgado asserted that his research "supported the distasteful conclusion that motion, emotion and behavior can be directed by electrical forces, and that humans can be controlled like robots by push buttons."A few years later, before computers were even very powerful, Delgado predicted the day would soon arrive when a computer would be able to establish two-way radio communication with the brain - an event that first occurred in 1974. Lawrence Pinneo, a neurophysiologist and electronic engineer working for SRI - Stanford Research Institute and then a leading military contractor, "developed a computer system capable of reading a person's mind in a crude way. It correlated brain waves on an electroencephalograph with specific commands, and could control some activity based on that. It should be mentioned that in 10 years, a supercomputer can probably be put into the brain itself and the whole process localized.Delgado's "Physical Control of the Mind: Towards a Psychocivilised Society", does not appear on the net now. It once was, but seems to have been removed. Some excerpts are here, as well as other commentary:http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/delgado.htm A quick google search turns up other less authoritative stuff:http://www.rense.com/general17/imp.htm It would be interesting to know how far this work has progressed in secret labs, or in corporate labs as well.In keeping with the "farming out" thread, it would not surprise me to find out this kind of RD is being handled in places like India, for Western corporate interests, perhaps even using one of the lower castes as test subjects.If you should hear of suicide bombers "returning the favor" to Hamas, in places Damascus or Gaza, you will probably be justified in suspecting that Israeli interests have been involved in mind control technology alsoand then on the subject of MKULTRA Wow. I had no idea. That's amazing if true (if replicated). You wonder how the brain would ever evolve a mechanism for this. - JedMy response: Given that the human brain uses analog electrical (EM) signals just like radio, and given that the first radio was aimed at simulating those mental signals for sound and music, it is likely that we are just copying nature's way, but now have figured out how to bypass the sensory input of the ear and gone for the most direct route.Also, I found this new item of interest: Its been nearly 2 1/2 years since this court ruling, and nothing seems to have come of it. I wonder if Herr Ashcroft stepped in afterwards.http://www.rcfp.org/news/2002/0819kellyv.html "CIA must disclose some operational files"A Washington, D.C., reporter may view operational files on mind control experiments by the
FW: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday October 7, 2005
[Original Message] From: What's New [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/7/2005 11:30:06 AM Subject: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday October 7, 2005 WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 7 Oct 05 Washington, DC 1. NOBEL PRIZE IN PHYSICS: THEORY OF QUANTUM OPTICS RECOGNIZED. Half of the Prize went to Roy Glauber, 80, a Harvard theorist who continues to teach freshman physics. The other half was divided between John Hall, 71, and Theodor Haensch, 63. Hall is a Senior Scientist at NIST and a Fellow at the University of Colorado's JILA. Haensch directs the Max-Planck-Institute for Quantum Optics in Munich, Germany. Optics was regarded as a mature area of physics before the invention of the laser in 1960, which made all sorts of new experiments possible. At Harvard, Roy Glauber, then 35, began recasting optics in terms of quantum theory. His work provided the mathematical basis for Hall and Haensch to develop techniques to measure frequencies with the accuracy needed for atomic clocks and global positioning systems. 2. NOBEL PEACE PRIZE: EFFORT TO HALT PROLIFERATION RECOGNIZED. Today it was announced that Mohammed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, was the co-winner of the 2005 Peace Prize, along with the agency he heads. It was a stunning vindication of ElBaradei, who was reelected to a third term as IAEA director in June only after the U.S. grudgingly withdrew its opposition. Before the U.S. invasion, ElBaradei and the IAEA repeatedly insisted, over American objections, that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. None have ever been found. 3. HOLY WAR: PRESIDENT DELIVERS A MAJOR SPEECH ON TERRORISM. Timing is everything. Yesterday, before the Peace Prize was announced, President Bush delivered what the White House said would be a major speech about progress in the War on Terrorism. To a predictably friendly audience at the National Endowment for Democracy, the President declared that 10 terrorist plots around the world have been thwarted since 9-11. After the speech, the White House began making a list. This is like a boy making a list of the naughty things he hasn't done in hopes of a reward. We can only admire the President's restraint in stopping at ten. 4. JOUR 101: BE CAREFUL WHICH RAFT YOU TAKE DOWN THE CANYON. Balance is a good thing for tour boats, but it makes no sense at all applied to religious explanations of the geology of the Grand Canyon. A story in yesterday's NY Times by Jodi Wilgoren followed two expeditions down the canyon, one led by a Christian fundamentalist minister, the other by Dr. Eugenie Scott, a geologist and the director of the National Center for Science Education. The story could have been educational. It wasn't. All a non-scientist could take from the story is that there are two ways to interpret what you see in the canyon. 5. JOUR 102: HOW WILL AN ANNULAR ECLIPSE AFFECT YOUR HOROSCOPE? On Monday, a relatively rare annular eclipse was seen across Spain and Portugal, which happens if the moon is at its apogee and doesn't quite cover the Sun's disk. It's quite spectacular, an Associated Press account in the NY Times quoted Dr. Stephen Maran of the American Astrological Society. Yes, it was. THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND. Opinions are the author's and not necessarily shared by the University of Maryland, but they should be. --- Archives of What's New can be found at http://www.bobpark.org What's New is moving to a different listserver and our subscription process has changed. To change your subscription status please visit this link: http://listserv.umd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=bobparks-whatsnewA=1
Re: Control of the Scientific Mind
On Friday 07 October 2005 19:12, Jones Beene wrote: But then again, there's not much difference these days in D.C. and the authoritarian Combine run by Big Nurse Ratched, only now she could be named Conde ... still wearing the Jack-boots most of the time. Jones You gotta admit, ole 'dubya's' not so secret girl friend is both a hell of a lot smarter than his wife and a lot better lookin as well.and one other comment. The biggest oxymoron in scientific commentary is not your guy, but an occasional guest 'commentator' of negatism named Bell sometimes found on Spacedaily dot com. This 'recovering space cadet' would have us close out all our space programs as 'too risky', leaving the field open to others like the Chinese. Methinks he is a Chinese plant or a 'useful fool' like the late J. Edgar Hoover wrote about in 'Masters of Deceit'
Re: Control of the Scientific Mind
Jones wrote.. Given that the human brain uses analog electrical (EM) signals just like radio, and given that the first radio was aimed at simulating those mental signals for sound and music, it is likely that we are just copying nature's way, but now have figured out how to bypass the sensory input of the ear and gone for the most direct route. One needs only to listen to Fox TV news at 6 PM evenings to fathom the depthapplication of mind control studies have reached. Each TV ad is superimposed over sound. This sound is NOT music but has an inference to music. The insidious nature of the sound is that it attempts to compel one to try to search out a musical cadence. The disturbing reaction one gets from the sound allows the message of the ad to reach a subliminal resonance with the brain. What is uncertain is the actual message being introduced, it may NOT be for advertizing purposes. Richard
Re: space elevator testing
In reply to Standing Bear's message of Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:07:07 -0400: Hi, [snip] and to paraphrase. The folks at liftport.com and other companies working on this, and scientists with vision like Dr. Bradley Edwards know the potential of these buckminsterfullerenes and have tested them and found the strength there. It yet remains to manufacture that same strength into a continuous ribbon. Six months ago there was no ability to even make the ribbon. Now there is. We are a forum of the scientifically curious, or at least ideally so. I believe that the spirit of Gene Mallove is still here among us. I have faith that a way will be found to strengthen the SWCNT ribbon sufficiently. It may not be the theoretical ideal, as that I feel is [snip] I have placed some calculations on my web page at http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/Space_Elevator.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk In a town full of candlestick makers, everyone lives in the light, In a town full of thieves, there is only one candle, and everyone lives in the night.
Re: space elevators untra ultralight materials
In reply to Wesley Bruce's message of Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:16:29 +1000: Hi, [snip] A key to space elevators, solar chimney technologies and big flying jet stream windmills is *zero weight building materials*. I have a design for such a material; an expanded foam filled with hydrogen and helium. Its meant to be Buoyant up to 5 km and ultralight but stiff above that hight. IOW it would be buoyant for the first 0.01% of the distance. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk In a town full of candlestick makers, everyone lives in the light, In a town full of thieves, there is only one candle, and everyone lives in the night.
Re: space elevator testing
BTW another reason we should not construct a space elevator using an electrical conductor is because it would short out the electrosphere. This would destroy the elevator during construction. If we managed to get it built anyway, it would provide a permanent short, with potentially drastic consequences for the World's weather. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk In a town full of candlestick makers, everyone lives in the light, In a town full of thieves, there is only one candle, and everyone lives in the night.
Re: space elevators untra ultralight materials
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Wesley Bruce's message of Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:16:29 +1000: Hi, [snip] A key to space elevators, solar chimney technologies and big flying jet stream windmills is *zero weight building materials*. I have a design for such a material; an expanded foam filled with hydrogen and helium. Its meant to be Buoyant up to 5 km and ultralight but stiff above that hight. IOW it would be buoyant for the first 0.01% of the distance. Your probably correct. I'll settle for a thousand meters. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk In a town full of candlestick makers, everyone lives in the light, In a town full of thieves, there is only one candle, and everyone lives in the night.
Re: space elevators untra ultralight materials
In reply to Wesley Bruce's message of Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:19:41 +1000: Hi, [snip] A key to space elevators, solar chimney technologies and big flying jet stream windmills is *zero weight building materials*. I have a design for such a material; an expanded foam filled with hydrogen and helium. Its meant to be Buoyant up to 5 km and ultralight but stiff above that hight. IOW it would be buoyant for the first 0.01% of the distance. Your probably correct. I'll settle for a thousand meters. That would make it 0.002 %. In short, this measure is useless. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk In a town full of candlestick makers, everyone lives in the light, In a town full of thieves, there is only one candle, and everyone lives in the night.
