Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-22 Thread Dr. Mitchell Swartz
At 11:55 PM 7/21/2007 -0400, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr. Mitchell Swartz wrote: 1) For example, even tonight, I observed that the papers of Dr. Ken Shoulders still are censored. Rothwell: Shoulders has never submitted a paper to me. As far as I know he has never written one

Re: [Vo]:Degenerate electrons, electron fugacity, and cold fusion

2007-07-22 Thread Nick Palmer
Imagine that there is a plasma, and it is cooled and compressed repeatedly. Eventually, we will not be able to compress the plasma any further, because the Exclusion Principle states that two particles cannot be in the exact same place at the exact same time. When in this state, since there is

RE: [Vo]:Maxwell's Demon, naw!

2007-07-22 Thread Stiffler Scientific
How are you powering the demon door? PM fields. -Original Message- From: thomas malloy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:41 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Maxwell's Demon, naw! Stiffler Scientific wrote: Maxwell's Demon, How to know he is

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-22 Thread Edmund Storms
Since Swartz has once again brought up his obsession about censorship at LENR, this gives me an opportunity to clarify the criteria used to put papers on the LENR website. For the sake of this discussion, the website has two parts: a listing of over 3000 papers having some relevance to cold

Re: [Vo]:Degenerate electrons, electron fugacity, and cold fusion

2007-07-22 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 22, 2007, at 4:08 AM, Nick Palmer wrote: Imagine that there is a plasma, and it is cooled and compressed repeatedly. Eventually, we will not be able to compress the plasma any further, because the Exclusion Principle states that two particles cannot be in the exact same place at

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-22 Thread Dr. Mitchell Swartz
At 08:04 AM 7/22/2007 -0600, Edmund Storms wrote: Storms: Since Swartz has once again brought up his obsession about censorship at LENR ... Projection and ad hominem. The ONLY obsession with censorship has been, and remains, from Ed Storms, himself. Rothwell even admitted that Storms has

Re: [Vo]:Cold vibes NMR

2007-07-22 Thread Jones Beene
One more important detail to add: We want to push the oscillation of the barbell to resonance at the same time as increase the amplitude of asymmetrical jerk (cross vector). Both of these two isotopes H and D - have a strong magnetic moment, but a significantly different moment, and also a

[Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-22 Thread Michel Jullian
Bonjour George, Regular as clockwork, here I am with my biennial posting: It makes one hesitate to engage in a long conversation ;-) Why should the solar collector field not obey the same rules as say IT or Mobile phones? You're right, cost is bound to go down. Present cost and savings

[Vo]:Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-22 Thread Michel Jullian
Ed and Jed, one can't help noticing that the reasons invoked for not uploading Mitchell's papers to the LENR libraries keep shifting. Initially the reason was a file format problem. A solution was suggested, which if it is good enough for Google Books and Amazon should be good enough for LENR.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-22 Thread Jones Beene
Michel Jones, how does it fare compared to the actual quotes you got for your place? An installed cost of $ 51,000 is about right for that output minimuim they call it - for those with an existing south facing roof - but the generous State tax credits of a few years ago are no longer in

Re: [Vo]:Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michel Jullian wrote: Ed and Jed, one can't help noticing that the reasons invoked for not uploading Mitchell's papers to the LENR libraries keep shifting. That is incorrect; you misunderstand the situation. Initially the reason was a file format problem. A solution was suggested, which if

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: Occasionally, with the author's permission, Jed has attempted to make a paper more understandable. Actually, I have done that fairly often for authors who speak English as a second language -- with their permission and cooperation, of course! I have worked with authors

[Vo]:LENR-CANR does NOT represent ICCF10!!!

2007-07-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Dr. Mitchell Swartz wrote: Titles of papers were censored in a site which purported to represents the community, and which claimed to represent ICCF-10. We emphatically DO NOT represent ICCF-10!!! The web page says: This section includes the informal, on-line edition of the conference

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-22 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 22, 2007, at 6:59 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: Bonjour George, Regular as clockwork, here I am with my biennial posting: It makes one hesitate to engage in a long conversation ;-) Why should the solar collector field not obey the same rules as say IT or Mobile phones? You're

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-22 Thread Jones Beene
Become an Environmental Activist today !! Tree-hugger or not - if you really want to help out Gaia - the environment, and all that - forget solar panels for the home - here is a much brighter solution that saves tons of money and reduces tons of CO2. You can accomplish more with a single $20

Re: [Vo]:Degenerate electrons, electron fugacity, and cold fusion

2007-07-22 Thread Terry Blanton
On 7/22/07, Nick Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I quoted the above from the Wiki article on degenerate matter. Hopefully, it's not as dangerous as protomatter: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Protomatter Terry

Re: [Vo]:Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-22 Thread OrionWorks
Reading everything that has been said, and a lot of things that haven't between the lines, I have come to personal conclusion (a conclusion which nevertheless could be inaccurate) that Dr. Swartz doesn't get along with either Mr. Rothwell and/or Dr. Storms. Or perhaps it's the other way around.

RE: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-22 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
I sure hope incandescent bulbs will still be available. They have special uses such as heaters, ballast resistors, often making use of their non linear resistance characteristics, infrared sources, low EMI lighting, and a few other things I've used them for that I can't remember now.

Re: [Vo]:Re: centripetal force question

2007-07-22 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, July 22, 2007 1:36 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: centripetal force question Harry Veeder wrote: Interesting thread. The reason I started it was because I'd like to know, suppose the earth started spinning faster,

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-22 Thread Jones Beene
Good for Oz. WE should do this arm-twisting in the USA! (bulb-twisting?) From the article: In the United States, an ingenious website called 18seconds.org (the name derives from the time it takes to change a light bulb)... [presumably this is by non-EEs who may, for professional courtesy,

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-22 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 22, 2007, at 9:03 AM, Jones Beene wrote: BTW - I notice on the box, in the smallest of small print which these old eyes can read -- that the U Light America bulbs are ... yup ... Made in China. Wonder if there is some hidden toxic surprise... It may be in the temperature of

[Vo]:Re: centripetal force question

2007-07-22 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: centripetal force question ... Interesting thread. The reason I started it was because I'd like to know, suppose the earth started spinning

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: But falling prices for solar panels may indeed make good financial sense for companies or businesses with large flat roofs, where depreciation and maintenance make those costs deductible . . . That is the key point in all of this. Even though solar is too expensive for

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-22 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: Ban the bulb! Terry Hopefully you mean ban the incandescent! I wonder how GE and Wal-Mart are getting along these days. GE was trying to buy time to fight off erosion of its incandescent light bulb business to compacts, and to develop

[Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-22 Thread Michel Jullian
I concur with Judge Steven V. Johnson's conclusions. Jed wrote: There are none in dispute. We will accept any or all. You are hereby sentenced to add in the form of his choice, because readers don't give a damn about the format in which they can access a previously unavailable resource, and

Re: [VO]: Hyd-gen tubes

2007-07-22 Thread Zachary Jones
On Jul 21, 2007, at 7:28 PM, R.C.Macaulay wrote: Interesting arrangement and diameter of tubes he has used . He must have spent some time in trial and error in sizing the diameter of the tubes to achieve the effect by using a rotary pulse voltage frequency generator..

Re: [Vo]:Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-22 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 22, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Michel Jullian wrote: Now the reason invoked is one of contents. This brings support to Mitchell's allegations of censorship I am afraid. Why don't you just upload those papers so that people can make their own opinion? Actually, as I

Re: [Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-22 Thread OrionWorks
Judge Johnson sez: Under the circumstances it seems to me that if Dr. Schwartz would be so kind as to upload the disputed papers to his own web site (as-is?) that this would go a long way in resolving the controversy. To which Jed replies: That, he will never do. ... In another recent

Re: [Vo]:Re: Degenerate electrons, electron fugacity, and cold fusion

2007-07-22 Thread Horace Heffner
I wrote: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Yes, the total super-positioned E field nets to about zero, but the way that happens is by a change in charge distribution. That change in charge distribution has effects. The electron fugacity in