[Vo]:Another BLP PR blurb, this one with a photo

2008-06-03 Thread OrionWorks
Another in an endless series of BLP PR aftershocks: See: http://www.dosci.org/energy/thermal-power-generator-to-revolutionize-the-world/ or http://tinyurl.com/5zhlta This brief post comes with a photograph of what looks like a generating facility. No caption. No description of what the

Re: [Vo]:Another BLP PR blurb, this one with a photo

2008-06-03 Thread Jones Beene
--- OrionWorks wrote: I assume the photo is nothing more than stock footage slapped up showing of a typical generator that may reside at a utility plant and has absolutely nothing to do with an actual alleged BLP prototype Correct. There is zero connection of this image to BLP. The faceplate

Re: [Vo]:Another BLP PR blurb, this one with a photo

2008-06-03 Thread R C Macaulay
Yep!, It's a Fuji. Remember that public relations (PR) is the bedrock of credibility. Richard

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread OrionWorks
Jones, Ed, and Richard ponder one of the Big Mysteries pertaining to our Existence: ... Specifically from Jones: Is it possible to stimulate actual scientific advancement through mere intent? Can we even rid ourself from oil addiction this way? ... or is the time horizon too extended for

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: There's a popular NewAge saying which proclaims that we create our own reality. I suspect most who ponder the ramifications of the NA phrase take the meaning metaphorically, perhaps in the same vein as reading certain passages from the bible, particularly Genesis. Others are

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread Jones Beene
--- Ed, I am not suggesting that intent is ever necessary or required for scientific advancement. After all, we can point to many anecdotes in the history of science where a great advance was either random or accidental. In fact seeming randomness serves to disguise the proportion of cases where

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread OrionWorks
From Stephen Lawrence ... The Practice Effect explores a cute variation on it; can't recall the author. David Brin is the author. (His series of novels on the Uplifting of species are particularly noteworthy.) In that universe which Brin created the more you worked ON a particular thing (or

RE: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread Rick Monteverde
Here on this island, there is this wonderful black box... R. -Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:28 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention snip It's an easy proof that in an infinite

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread Edmund Storms
At the risk of replowing the same field, of course intention and belief play a role at some level. For example, people can never win at the slots unless they have sufficient belief to actually put the coin into the machine and push the button. If the expected belief is not fulfilled, the

Re: [Vo]:Another BLP PR blurb, this one with a photo

2008-06-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 3, 2008, at 5:21 AM, Jones Beene wrote: --- OrionWorks wrote: I assume the photo is nothing more than stock footage slapped up showing of a typical generator that may reside at a utility plant and has absolutely nothing to do with an actual alleged BLP prototype Correct. There is

Re: [Vo]:Another BLP PR blurb, this one with a photo

2008-06-03 Thread Mike Carrell
The photo is stock. If one studies the Commercialization ... paper and then looks at the BLP website, the thumbnail pix will begin to be recongnizable. Right-clicking and going to 'Properties' will yield some titles. The paper describes tests using the cylindrical calorimeters in the thumbnails.

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread Jones Beene
FWIW - and to rescue the subject of intent from the more obscure realms of SciFi and try to shine some light onto its deeper hidden meaning, consider the film noir: Dark City ... ...which Roger Ebert calls one of the greatest films of all time. He even taught a University film school class on

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Ed, By asking for a return to science, this theme, begun by Jones is beginning to reach a level of scientific inquiry, fitting of Vorts. Solomon expressed his opinion that time and chance happens to us all. This profound wisdom does not escape Jones in his musings. There can be an

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread OrionWorks
Jones, Ed and Richard continue to transfuse stimulating thoughts into this delightful subject called MAYA - sometimes interpreted as reality. It comes as a nice tangential distraction from recent BLP speculation. Oh, what a relief it is! I'd like to contribute additional fertilizer to a thought

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread Edmund Storms
You raise an interesting point, Richard, by this example. People need encourage to believe they can do things that need to be done but are threatening or hard. Stories like David and Goliath, whether it is true or not, provide this encouragement. Missing, of course are the stories of the more

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread Edmund Storms
You are right, Steven, if belief were only required, the reality we find ourselves in would not work and it would not survive long enough for us to debate the issue. I suppose we could conclude that the Darwin process has eliminated this possibility. If this is true, then this process would

Re: [Vo]:Another BLP PR blurb, this one with a photo

2008-06-03 Thread OrionWorks
From Mr. Carrell: The significant task remaining is to automate the process of preparation and reconstitution of the fuel. Since conventional chemistry is involved, it is in principle doable, but doing may require clever engineering and iterations to get it right. Typically such projects

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Ed, Is is possible to engage in a discussion of ideas without veering off into religion? Yes! perhaps, among Vorts which make for such an interesting group. Religions have perplexed me because I cannot understand why so many reasonably educated people cannot get past religion and

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread Edmund Storms
Hi Richard, I used religion as an example of my point because you used a metaphor based on religion in your example. I agree with you, the organized religions are nothing but power structures that are used to control behavior, which is needed of course. However, they offer very little

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread OrionWorks
From Edmund Storms: Of course, there is another possibility that can be confused with getting something when you want it bad enough. Suppose, certain people are able to obtain information by mental telepathy. This ability would give them an advantage in getting their way that could be

Re: [Vo]:Another BLP PR blurb, this one with a photo

2008-06-03 Thread Mike Carrell
- Original Message - From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip The engineering challenges as described by Mr. Carrell seem entirely realistic, and more importantly, doable from my POV. I have every faith that we simians are up to the challenge. Shoot! We've been to the Moon in back. It

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread Edmund Storms
OrionWorks wrote: From Edmund Storms: Of course, there is another possibility that can be confused with getting something when you want it bad enough. Suppose, certain people are able to obtain information by mental telepathy. This ability would give them an advantage in getting their way

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Edmund Storms wrote: You are right, Steven, if belief were only required, the reality we find ourselves in would not work and it would not survive long enough for us to debate the issue. I suppose we could conclude that the Darwin process has eliminated this possibility. If this is true,

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention

2008-06-03 Thread Edmund Storms
Interesting logic, Stephen. Let's explore another possibility. Suppose thought transfer is common in animals that do not have a complex language. One might use schooling fish as an example or perhaps a flock of birds. While other explanations can be suggested for the observed behavior, thought