Re: Solar-Cold Fusion Spacecraft Propulsion

2005-01-13 Thread Harry Veeder
Frederick Sparber at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > : Harry Veeder wrote >> >> How would one measure thrust from sublimation to check the theoretical >> predictions? >> > Try two or four trays of dry or water ice in a Crookes Radiometer type > setup > > Frederick >> >> Harry >> I did not kn

Re: Superluminal and relativity

2005-01-13 Thread Grimer
At 12:11 am 14-01-05 -0500, Standing Bear wrote: > On this, suppose that there is another wrinkle, this one > of time. Suppose time were multidimensional as space is, > then this would give rise to time lines ad infinitum, accomodating > all manner of would be paradoxes as long as one kept to the

Physics Today Article on DoE re-review of CF effect.

2005-01-13 Thread Akira Kawasaki
January 13, 2005 Vortex, Snail mail being what it is, I received the January issue (Volume 58 issue One) of Physics Today yesterday. There is a short column in the 'Issues and Events' listed in the Table of Contents titled "Cold Fusion gets a chilly Encore", by Toni Feder. The article goes over t

Re: The Big Science Chill

2005-01-13 Thread Standing Bear
On Saturday 08 January 2005 16:34, Harry Veeder wrote: > http://www.technewsworld.com/story/39360.html > > COMMENTARY > > The Big Science Chill > > By Sonia Arrison > TechNewsWorld > 01/07/05 5:00 AM PT > > When smart people in California's tech mecca fail, they pick up the pieces > and the communi

Re: Superluminal and relativity

2005-01-13 Thread Standing Bear
On Saturday 11 December 2004 21:12, Kyle Mcallister wrote: > Hello all, > > The recent discussions of FTL signalling and its > repercussions is interesting to me, and is something > which has troubled my mind for many years. After > studying special relativity, particularly the > implications of re

Re: Solar-Cold Fusion Spacecraft Propulsion

2005-01-13 Thread Terry Blanton
--- Horace Heffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yep, right on two counts. I have it! Most folks > here just call it cabin > fever. This one's a bit expensive; but, I bet you could build one with some gro-lux tubes: http://www.alaskanorthernlights.com/ A recent PBS program showed they *do* wor

Re: Does Dry & H2O Ice Tap ZPE?

2005-01-13 Thread Horace Heffner
At 11:20 AM 1/13/5, Grimer wrote: >Mmm...very interesting. I wish I could have written all that. ;^) > It's amazing how stuff one posts here comes back in various forms at later times. Regards, Horace Heffner

Re: Solar-Cold Fusion Spacecraft Propulsion

2005-01-13 Thread Frederick Sparber
: Harry Veeder wrote > > How would one measure thrust from sublimation to check the theoretical > predictions? > Try two or four trays of dry or water ice in a Crookes Radiometer type setup Frederick > > Harry > > > > > > > >

Re: Solar-Cold Fusion Spacecraft Propulsion

2005-01-13 Thread Harry Veeder
Frederick Sparber at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm not so sure about that numerically challenged part, Horace. > > I come up with about 90 lbs thrust per square meter for CO2 sublimation, and > about 20 lbs per square meter for H2O ice sublimation thrust. > > With "CO2 Smoke and Mirrors" you c

Re: serious chewing and eotvos

2005-01-13 Thread Harry Veeder
Grimer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > At 03:42 am 13-01-05 -0500, Harry wrote: > >> Do thing 1 and thing 2 come with a thing-force to keep them together? > > > By George, (s)he's got it, Pickering. By George, (s)he's got it. ;^) > > Of course they do. That was implicit in the analogy. > It's

Re: Does Dry & H2O Ice Tap ZPE?

2005-01-13 Thread Grimer
At 10:06 13/01/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Fred, > >> > Beta-aether > >> Either that or 3 K radiation. > >The two (CMB and B-A) ARE connected in a surprising way. > >> a velocity of about 325 meters per second at 1.3 >KW/meter^2 solar or CF photon insolation. That translates to >a significant Specific

Re: NEW ENERGY TIMES (tm) Jan. 10, 2005 -- Issue #8

2005-01-13 Thread Mike Carrell
Dave wrote: > The biggest controversy surrounding the Wright brothers is whether they > were actually the first to fly. I gather New Zealand has a prior claim > with Richard Pearse. > Others got into the air before the Wrights, including Pearse. The critical issue is controlled flight, including t

Re: Would appreciate PR for book

2005-01-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
I think people here must be spreading the word about the book, because downloads increased from around 15 per day to 35 yesterday, and 35 more today (so far). Thank you everyone. Obviously, I have no advertising budget, and word-of-mouth is the only way to promote the book -- or the web site, for

Re: Does Dry & H2O Ice Tap ZPE?

2005-01-13 Thread Jones Beene
Fred, > > Beta-aether > Either that or 3 K radiation. The two (CMB and B-A) ARE connected in a surprising way. > a velocity of about 325 meters per second at 1.3 KW/meter^2 solar or CF photon insolation. That translates to a significant Specific Impulse (isp). Yes. Although it is far less (6x

Re: Does Dry & H2O Ice Tap ZPE?

2005-01-13 Thread Frederick Sparber
Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Fred, > > > What's causing the vapor pressure of Dry or Water Ice at > those low temperatures? > > Beta-aether > Either that or 3 K radiation. > > > http://radio.weblogs.com/0101365/2003/09/04.html > > "According to the above chart, carbon dioxide of >

Solar cell not solitary confinement anymore

2005-01-13 Thread leaking pen
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=585&ncid=585&e=1&u=/nm/20050113/sc_nm/energy_canada_solar_dc_1 interesting story. new solar cell is 30 percent efficient. nice. very nice.

Re: Does Dry & H2O Ice Tap ZPE?

2005-01-13 Thread Frederick Sparber
Leaking Penisaying that it doesn't involve ZPee? :-) Frederick > [Original Message] > From: leaking pen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: vortex-l > Date: 1/13/05 9:48:46 AM > Subject: Re: Does Dry & H2O Ice Tap ZPE? > > sublimation and natural balancing of concentration of states. the > only time yo

Re: The first sound waves left imprint on the Universe

2005-01-13 Thread FHLew
Greetings   The first sound waves left imprint on the Universe  http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/aas_universe_structure_050111.html   The Primordial Harmonic Template of the Universe ( QuantumSpherical Standing Wave )" Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by

Re: Does Dry & H2O Ice Tap ZPE?

2005-01-13 Thread Jones Beene
Fred, > What's causing the vapor pressure of Dry or Water Ice at those low temperatures? Beta-aether > http://radio.weblogs.com/0101365/2003/09/04.html > "According to the above chart, carbon dioxide of about -122°C will have a vapor pressure of 7.5 mmHg, so the solid carbon dioxide that is vapo

Re: Does Dry & H2O Ice Tap ZPE?

2005-01-13 Thread leaking pen
sublimation and natural balancing of concentration of states. the only time youd have a vp of 0 would be at absolute zero, above that, your still going to have a certain amount constantly going back and forth between solid and gas states. nothing unusual about it. On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:40:47

Re: Does Dry & H2O Ice Tap ZPE?

2005-01-13 Thread Frederick Sparber
What's causing the vapor pressure of Dry or Water Ice at those low temperatures?   http://radio.weblogs.com/0101365/2003/09/04.html "According to the above chart, carbon dioxide of about -122°C will have a vapor pressure of 7.5 mmHg, so the solid carbon dioxide that is vaporizing near the south

Re: Solar-Cold Fusion Spacecraft Propulsion

2005-01-13 Thread Frederick Sparber
Can the solar sail beat losing a few grams of CO2  (Dry Ice) per square meter at 1.3 KW/meter^2? http://www.planetary.org/solarsail/ http://www.planetary.org/ Frederick  

Re: Solar-Cold Fusion Spacecraft Propulsion

2005-01-13 Thread Horace Heffner
At 10:53 PM 1/12/5, Grimer wrote: >At 09:09 pm 12-01-05 -0900, Horace wrote: > >> >>Fred, I am so glad you are still around. You are one of the few remaining >>list members who seems to not be numerically challenged. >> >>Regards, >> >>Horace Heffner > > >Are you suffering from the effects of SAD

Re: Solar-Cold Fusion Spacecraft Propulsion

2005-01-13 Thread Frederick Sparber
Horace Heffner  wrote: > > Fred, I am so glad you are still around.  You are one of the few remaining> list members who seems to not be numerically challenged.> >  At 5:29 PM 1/12/5, Frederick Sparber wrote:>> I propose using very large cylinders of solid CO2 with the ends pointed>>toward the su

Re: serious chewing and eotvos

2005-01-13 Thread Grimer
At 03:42 am 13-01-05 -0500, Harry wrote: > Do thing 1 and thing 2 come with a thing-force to keep them together? By George, (s)he's got it, Pickering. By George, (s)he's got it. ;^) Of course they do. That was implicit in the analogy. It's no good having a sail and a hull if they haven't go

Re: serious chewing and eotvos

2005-01-13 Thread Harry Veeder
Grimer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > At 06:05 pm 12-01-05 -0500, you wrote: >> Grimer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> At 03:24 pm 12-01-05 -0500, Harry wrote: > > >> Your protons and neutrons are not like the protons and neutrons >> known to physics. Neutrons and protons both have inertia a