Re: the political economy of energy distribution

2006-05-12 Thread Harry Veeder
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 12 May 2006 00:19:02 -0500: Hi, [snip] The article does not say this, but I suspect something like capitalism will still be required. A percentage of energy tokens may go unused because many people may be happy to

Re: the political economy of energy distribution

2006-05-12 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 12 May 2006 02:08:47 -0500: Hi, [snip] IMO, as long as work, money, and energy consumption, are culturally linked the too cheap to meter dream will never be realised. Even if energy becomes 100 times less expensive, we, as individuals, will find

Re: the political economy of energy distribution

2006-05-12 Thread Grimer
At 02:08 am 12/05/2006 -0500, you wrote: IMO, as long as work, money, and energy consumption, are culturally linked the too cheap to meter dream will never be realised. Even if energy becomes 100 times less expensive, we, as individuals, will find ourselves consuming 100 times more energy. Harry

Re: Stacked Washer Electrolyzer

2006-05-12 Thread Frederick Sparber
The 1.5 inchOD, 1/4 inch I.D. Fender Washers have 10 square cm of surface area each side when placed over a 1/4 inch rod with 1/2 inch diameter spacers. About 100 Kohm resistance and about 65 Picofarad capacitance between 1.0 cm-spaced washers with 1.0 Megohm-cm water. Five Fenders spaced on

Electron Band Structure In Germanium, My Xss

2006-05-12 Thread OrionWorks
This is for anyone who's ever struggled through a physics lab: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~kovar/hall.html I love the graphic. Especially the line drawn through the data points. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.Zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: Hybrids Not The Answer - Yet.

2006-05-12 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: Zell, Chris wrote: Consumer Reports claims hybrid gas mileage is 19 mpg lower than the EPA says and are among the worst in mileage exaggeration. http://autos.msn.com/advice/CRArt.aspx?contentid=4023460 But they are the best in mileage! According to the Consumer Reports

Heavy Argon, was: The Pappajo engine

2006-05-12 Thread Jones Beene
... subtitled, where's the 'blip'? A blip being defined as a presumed insignificant phenomenon, especially a brief departure from the normal trend or curve - especially in statistical analysis and charting. - Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk Negative muons orbit at

Re: Electron Band Structure In Germanium, My Xss

2006-05-12 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: This is for anyone who's ever struggled through a physics lab: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~kovar/hall.html I love the graphic. Especially the line drawn through the data points. First-rate, front to back! I loved this quote: This is how they treat undergrads around here:

Re: Heavy Argon, was: The Pappajo engine

2006-05-12 Thread OrionWorks
Jones Beene sez: ... [side note] For those who are not older Americans, this phrase would be much more meaningful, if you had this mental image of an older lady, a grandmother perhaps (Clara Peeler), standing in line at a Wendy's-competitors hamburger joint, yelling where's the

RE: Hybrids Not The Answer - Yet.

2006-05-12 Thread Zell, Chris
At present, even defenders of hybrids seem to admit that over all cost savings from higher gas mileage - and apart from subsidies - mean you have to run them for 15 years or rack up an extreme amount of odometer mileage. Maintenance costs on such a new technology are likely to high , as well. -

RE: Electron Band Structure In Germanium, My Xss

2006-05-12 Thread Keith Nagel
Yeah, that was very funny, thanks. It sounded like Alex Doonsebury selected this college, and after a steady diet of ideal current sources and gedanken wankin' has just been tasked with making a real measurement. Ouch. I remember taking a biology course as an undergrad; we had to dissect

Re: the political economy of energy distribution

2006-05-12 Thread Harry Veeder
Grimer wrote: At 02:08 am 12/05/2006 -0500, you wrote: IMO, as long as work, money, and energy consumption, are culturally linked the too cheap to meter dream will never be realised. Even if energy becomes 100 times less expensive, we, as individuals, will find ourselves consuming 100

Re: the political economy of energy distribution

2006-05-12 Thread Harry Veeder
Harry Veeder wrote: Grimer wrote: At 02:08 am 12/05/2006 -0500, you wrote: IMO, as long as work, money, and energy consumption, are culturally linked the too cheap to meter dream will never be realised. Even if energy becomes 100 times less expensive, we, as individuals, will find

Re: Hybrids Not The Answer - Yet.

2006-05-12 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Zell, Chris If anyone can make this work ( $ -wise), I think Toyota can. Toyota had better watch their back: http://vvcars.com/ Terry ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage |

Re: the political economy of energy distribution

2006-05-12 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Harry VeederFor related imagery see: http://www.canadianarchitect.com/asf/enclosure_detailing/detailing_basics /de tailing_basics.htm http://tinyurl.com/nt96n One image caption: Pipe fitting robots at work ? notice the pleasant absence of plumber?s butt.

Betteries

2006-05-12 Thread hohlrauml6d
Betteries everywhere! http://www.europositron.com/en/index.html Electric car of General Motors, EV 1 uses 736kg batteries giving max. range 145 km without recharge. A battery of 60 kg made with Europositron technology allows EV 1 max. range 870 km without recharge.

Betteries

2006-05-12 Thread John Coviello
Sounds interesting. But is there any proof that this is anything except a European a stock scam? Right on their front page they are asking people to buy shares. I would be very skeptical of fantastic claims like these, especially when they are clearly promoting stock sales. Having a 500

Lunar FE?

2006-05-12 Thread hohlrauml6d
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Re: Betteries

2006-05-12 Thread John Coviello
20% efficient is fine if it gets 500 miles per charge. The problem with this battery claim is that it is so much better than current technology, about 2 to 4 times better, that you have to be suspicious of such a fantastic claim. I was also suspicious of the fact that they are openly

FW: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday May 12, 2006

2006-05-12 Thread
Forward by [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Akira Kawasaki) [Original Message] From: What's New [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5/12/2006 1:29:22 PM Subject: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday May 12, 2006 WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 12 May 06 Washington, DC 1. PRAY FOR

Re: Burning Water, 5,500 BTU/LB Freebie

2006-05-12 Thread Frederick Sparber
No magic ingredients, just Autoionization and the Helmholtz Double-Layer Reduction-OxidationEffect of High Purity Water on a sufficient large anode-cathode metal surface area with a current return path. 2 H2O --- OH -+ H3O+ Cathode H3O + + e- - H2O + H (gas) Anode OH - - e- -- OH

Re: Betteries

2006-05-12 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Zell, Chris's message of Fri, 12 May 2006 15:45:53 -0500: Hi, [snip] I think the fine print on this battery tells you that it may be only 20+% efficient, unless they've improved it. Maybe the waste heat could go to a greenhouse or something. [snip] Where did you find the fine print?

Re: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday May 12, 2006

2006-05-12 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. SPACE: THE ONLY THING IN NASA THAT STILL GOES UP IS THE COST. Michael Griffin told his science advisory committee this week that he could not keep the commitment he made a year ago not to shift money from science to human space flight.

Re: Betteries

2006-05-12 Thread hohlrauml6d
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Re: Burning Water, 5,500 BTU/LB Freebie

2006-05-12 Thread Frederick Sparber
Quite obviously a high compression engine (spark or diesel ignition) operated closed-cycle using Argon in the manner that Caltech used it, will work as well as theirs except that the low pressure high Metal-Water Interface surface area and a higher Ion Product Constant Autoionization Self

Re: Betteries

2006-05-12 Thread RC Macaulay
It's a bet, a gamble as is all stock. Somebody will put up 2 mil to learn if a prototype can be built. If it is built, some more mney will be needed to learn if it works. Then some more money will be needed to see it it will hold up in service, then more money needed to sell liscenses and

Re: Burning Water, 5,500 BTU/LB Freebie

2006-05-12 Thread Frederick Sparber
FWIW, department. The 4.6 eV work function of Nickel is close to the 4.52 eV work function of Tungsten, but the Amp/Meter^2/Deg^2 is half the 6.0E5 for Tungsten. OTOH, with a Helmholtz Double Layer Zeta Potential of 0.125 volts at the Water-Nickel Interface. which is comparable to a Boltzman