[Vo]: FW: [VO] [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday June 23, 2006

2006-06-24 Thread
I am resending the forward since the previous Subject Title did no include the [VO}. Apologies. Forward from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Akira Kawasaki) [Original Message] From: What's New [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/23/2006 2:00:44 PM Subject: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New

Re: [Vo]: A new 'Manhattan Project' for energy innovation?

2006-06-24 Thread Michel Jullian
time, and America has IMHO, done quite well economically. The best thing that can happen to encourage energy efficiency is for gasoline to go to $5 per gallon. This would mean price going down over here in Europe :) Michel

[Vo]: Bellowing about thermoacoustics

2006-06-24 Thread Jones Beene
If calorimetry were universally accepted as proof, then the excess heat of cold fusion would not be in doubt. But because of the lack of universal standards and other vagaries in calorimetry, it is unlikely that it will ever suffice to demonstrate the reality of LENR to the most ardent of

[Vo]: GM Plans PHEV

2006-06-24 Thread hohlrauml6d
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=1087sid=aB.YH1WLpQgo GM Plans Gas-Electric Car to Catch Up to Toyota, People Say June 23 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp., losing sales to fuel-efficient cars from Toyota Motor Corp., is developing a hybrid-electric vehicle with a battery that

[Vo]: Can You Get Energy From Gravity?

2006-06-24 Thread hohlrauml6d
http://www.alternate-energy.net/R/news.php?detail=n1151100689.news http://tinyurl.com/grvcr and http://www.energyfromair.com/

Re: [Vo]: Bellowing about thermoacoustics

2006-06-24 Thread Edmund Storms
Well Jones, I suggest you are starting with a false assumption. Calorimetry is considered proof in every other field and in every other application. Good calorimetry, i.e. that which can not be questioned by a rational person, can be done and has been done in the LENR field. Granted, a lot of

[Vo]: Re: GM Plans PHEV

2006-06-24 Thread Michel Jullian
What's this battery that recharges at any outlet nonsense Terry, have they never heard of the Sprain motor? Michel - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: [Vo]: GM Plans PHEV

[Vo]: Re: Bellowing about thermoacoustics

2006-06-24 Thread Jones Beene
Hi Ed, I can't disagree with anything you have said, except for the implied idealism: that eventually everything will work out for the best if we simply continue to follow the tried-and-true recipe which has gotten us this far in science. Do we have the luxury of that methodology: i.e. to

Re: [Vo]: Bellowing about thermoacoustics

2006-06-24 Thread Michel Jullian
I couldn't disagree more. Jones is quite right that if we did have a CF process with enough COP for self-powering (he said 4, sounds reasonable to me), then a self powered demo would be the very first thing to do. Understanding would probably come shortly after, with the help of the

Re: [Vo]: Can You Get Energy From Gravity?

2006-06-24 Thread Grimer
At 01:32 pm 24/06/2006 -0400, you wrote: http://www.alternate-energy.net/R/news.php?detail=n1151100689.news http://tinyurl.com/grvcr Tension (negative strain energy) in the swing suspension is fine. But one must not forget the compression (positive strain energy) in the columns wot stops the

Re: [Vo]: Re: Bellowing about thermoacoustics

2006-06-24 Thread Harry Veeder
The steam engine was developed before the laws of thermodynamics were fully worked out. Harry

[Vo]: ENGINE AND MOTOR

2006-06-24 Thread Harry Veeder
ENGINE AND MOTOR Two closely-related words investigated http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/engine.htm

Re: [Vo]: Re: Bellowing about thermoacoustics

2006-06-24 Thread Edmund Storms
Hi Jones, Actually, my approach is just the opposite of idealism. If we could make a CF cell work well enough to make a practical demonstration, we would not be having this discussion because the effect would be demonstrated, whether we understood the effect or not. We can not make this

Re: [Vo]: Bellowing about thermoacoustics

2006-06-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: But because of the lack of universal standards and other vagaries in calorimetry . . . As Storms noted, calorimetry is the basis of a large part of modern science technology. It is, in fact, the universal standard in a wide range of such chemistry, nuclear reactions and in

Re: [Vo]: Bellowing about thermoacoustics

2006-06-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michel Jullian writes: I couldn't disagree more. Jones is quite right that if we did have a CF process with enough COP for self-powering (he said 4, sounds reasonable to me), then a self powered demo would be the very first thing to do. But we do not have any such thing. This is like saying if

Re: [Vo]: Re: Bellowing about thermoacoustics(and cf)

2006-06-24 Thread Mitchell Swartz
At 02:49 PM 6/24/2006 -0600, Edmund Storms wrote: Hi Jones, Actually, my approach is just the opposite of idealism. If we could make a CF cell work well enough to make a practical demonstration, we would not be having this discussion because the effect would be demonstrated, whether we

Re: [Vo]: Bellowing about thermoacoustics

2006-06-24 Thread Michel Jullian
Jed (many thanks for having sent the CDs BTW, will tell you when I receive them), in the mood to pick up a fight, wrote: Michel Jullian writes: I couldn't disagree more. Jones is quite right that if we did have a CF process with enough COP for self-powering (he said 4, sounds reasonable to

[Vo]: Re: ZPE Pumping and Waterfuel

2006-06-24 Thread Frederick Sparber
Doing some number crunching to see how a kilogram of pretreated water could deliver the equivalent of 2 gallons of petrol (241E8 Joules from the 6.6E25 hydrogen atoms plus 3.3E25 oxygen atoms of H2O or OH "hydroxyl" species promoted by NOx. Considering only the H atoms, each would have to

Re: [Vo]: Bellowing about thermoacoustics

2006-06-24 Thread Mitchell Swartz
At 05:04 PM 6/24/2006 -0400, Jed Rothwell wrote: Jones Beene wrote: But because of the lack of universal standards and other vagaries in calorimetry . . . As Storms noted, calorimetry is the basis of a large part of modern science technology. It is, in fact, the universal standard in a wide

Re: [Vo]: Can You Get Energy From Gravity?

2006-06-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
The energyfromair link doesn't work for me -- complains my version of Internet Explorer is too old (I'm using FireFox 1.5.0.4 -- somehow I don't think upgrading would help...) The first link is a tad strange. The string on a pendulum doesn't really do any work, save to the extent that it