[Vo]: Re: What is HTP ?

2006-08-15 Thread Frederick Sparber
Since Jones is smitten with HTP/Gold Fever. :-) Heap Leach extraction of gold from ore requires aeration (spray) of the water-cyanide leachant to form H2O2. Similar Anodic and Cathodic reactions can occur in an electrolysis cell without the cyanide,but, possibly enhanced by dissolved metal (M

Re: [VO]:Re: OT How to deal with terrorism

2006-08-15 Thread Philip Winestone
Richard, I always read your emails with a Texas accent; dunno how, but there it is... As usual, what you say has great depth, and most of all, an aura of truth unfettered by ideology. By the way, Mark Twain also commented, in his own inimitable way, on what the land was like around the end

Re: [Vo]: OFF TOPIC How to deal with terrorism

2006-08-15 Thread Nick Palmer
Jed wrote:- And now they have stopped, thank goodness. I think it is over. That's my point; these things eventually stop. The centuries old troubles stopped because there was recently a power sharing agreement between the British (Northern Ireland) and Southern Ireland governments. The

Re: [Vo]: OT: Lee Smolin on A Crisis in Fundamental Physics

2006-08-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On 8/14/06, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A recent article by Lee Smolin entitled A Crisis in Fundamental Physics http://www.nyas.org/publications/UpdateUnbound.asp?UpdateID=41 Excellent article Harry. I believe it is most certainly on topic. This is the very attitude which drove

Re: [Vo]: RIP Detroit - Formally: Detroit Sees the Light

2006-08-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On 8/14/06, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that case, I'm surprised that they don't simply specify battery life in miles. Why pay any attention to the number of recharges at all? (BTW now that you mention it, I had heard the Li-ion batteries have no memory effect). However

RE: [Vo]: OFF TOPIC How to deal with terrorism

2006-08-15 Thread Zell, Chris
What is disturbing also are the bogus assumptions that pass for thinking about terrorism. Such as: Appeasement: the biggest one of all. Europeans love appeasement. Ignore the terror, pay them off, hope for a better tomorrow. If that doesn't work, so what? If your art

RE: [Vo]: OFF TOPIC How to deal with terrorism

2006-08-15 Thread Zell, Chris
Comparing the Japanese to modern suicide warriors brings little satisfaction. Their suicide was in defense of a nation with borders, not some vague fanatical notion Of a Muslim people. Thus, defeat or victory was easy to define. In addition, the suicide spirit was cultivated in wartime Japan,

RE: [Vo]: OFF TOPIC How to deal with terrorism

2006-08-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote: In addition, the suicide spirit was cultivated in wartime Japan, amidst all the isolation that entailed. This is a far cry from wandering thru airports, western colleges, strip bars, and various part time jobs in western businesses. Of course it is very different. The

[Vo]: Smokerings in vacuum

2006-08-15 Thread David Jonsson
HiCheck theese photos and tell me if there could be a white smokering coming out in the upper right.http://www.newphys.se/Endeavour_smokering/David

Re: [Vo]: OFF TOPIC How to deal with terrorism

2006-08-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On 8/14/06, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: No one can win against a foe who is willing to die for their belief . . . True for non-conventional wars. I always drawn back to this article by the late Robin Cook:

[Vo]: Re: What is HTP ?

2006-08-15 Thread Jones Beene
Fred is a gold mine of information these days... The larger question for consideration of MTP (medium test peroxide, ~ 35%) as an alternative fuel is: what is the lowest possible energy cost for producing HOOH from ozone? Fred provided this reference: The theoretical yield is 1200 grams O3

Re: [Vo]: Re: What is HTP ?

2006-08-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On 8/15/06, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To get a liter of 35% HOOH for ten cents of grid power, we need to achieve an efficiency of about 35%. Is that doable? Maybe. CARNIVORE keeping you from saying hydrogen peroxide? ;-) I was starting one of my small engines this weekend when I

[Vo]: Re: Re: What is HTP ?

2006-08-15 Thread Colin Quinney
Jones, how about this 1999 patent?. They use Glow Discharge and UV (together) and claim H2O2 production increases from ~ 12% to ~ 25% . http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?KEY=99/37581.991028 Title: (WO/1999/037581) HIGH EFFICIENCY GLOW DISCHARGE GASEOUS PROCESSING SYSTEM FOR HYDROGEN

[Vo]: Rare PKD Interview

2006-08-15 Thread Terry Blanton
From 1977 with French subtitles no less: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ewcp6Nm-rQ Terry

Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products

2006-08-15 Thread Kyle R. Mcallister
- Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products Wrong. Both Jews and Christians *are* doing these things too. The only difference is that the Muslims don't have

Re: [Vo]: OFF TOPIC How to deal with terrorism

2006-08-15 Thread Edmund Storms
Philip Winestone wrote: Good points Ed. As for the lack of parental control (and ultimately the lack of self-control), I think I know what you're getting at; rules in some form are very necessary, despite our dislike of people curtailing our freedom (although the rules, in the case of

Re: [Vo]: OFF TOPIC How to deal with terrorism

2006-08-15 Thread Philip Winestone
Yes - good points. I understand that the US has done some harebrained (dare I say flagrantly dishonest?) things during the past century and this has rubbed people the wrong way. Of course ALL of the Western nations - many of whom were colonialists - did some dubious things. Even the jolly

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2006-08-15 Thread ThomasClark123
The V'ril Energy Generator Fractal Perfect Societies The V'ril Energy Generator as posted at http://www.onelight.com/vrilland/index.htmused by Buddhist Monks generates energy by replicating a model of the Universe and Solar system in it fractally. Our solar system is a Binary Starand so may be

Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products

2006-08-15 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Kyle R. Mcallister's message of Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:08:48 -0400: Hi, [snip] - Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products Wrong. Both Jews and Christians

[VO]:Re: New Segway Products

2006-08-15 Thread RC Macaulay
Robin wrote.. Ever heard of a Pyrrhicvictory? - because that would be the most probable outcome, if youboth had your way. (No bets on who the "victor" would be). Howdy Robin, All the above is just an academic argument compared to what is staring Australia in the face. An entire continent,

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2006-08-15 Thread ThomasClark123
The V'ril Energy Generator Fractal Perfect Societies- Resend Due To Title Missing The V'ril Energy Generator as posted at http://www.onelight.com/vrilland/index.htmused by Buddhist Monks generates energy by replicating a model of the Universe and Solar system in it fractally. Our solar

Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products

2006-08-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On 8/15/06, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: America lost about 3000 people in the WTC. This is how many your bombing killed in Iraq:- 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000 3000

Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products

2006-08-15 Thread Mike Carrell
- Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products Mike Carrell wrote: The accusation that the US is acting as colonial power in the Iraq conflict is a bit glib. I submit that one general problem that the US has in the world is that

Re: [Vo]: OFF TOPIC How to deal with terrorism

2006-08-15 Thread Mike Carrell
- Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Vo]: OFF TOPIC How to deal with terrorism I think Robin misses a point here: snip IOW the US administration has propped up corrupt puppet governments that ensured an ongoing flow of cheap oil. A

Re: [Vo]: OFF TOPIC How to deal with terrorism

2006-08-15 Thread Mike Carrell
- Original Message - From: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Vo]: OFF TOPIC How to deal with terrorism snip snip . For example, we supported the Shaw of Iran even though he was a very unpopular dictator. When he was thrown out by popular revolution, we did everything we

Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products

2006-08-15 Thread Harry Veeder
Mike Carrell wrote: - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products Mike Carrell wrote: The accusation that the US is acting as colonial power in the Iraq conflict is a bit glib. I submit that one general problem that the

Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products

2006-08-15 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:55:57 -0400: Hi, [snip] Just wait. We haven't even *begun* to play cowboys and moslems yet. eg Then don't cry a poor mouth when they do the same. Of course, *your* government is guilt free: I never said the Australian government was

Re: [VO]:Re: New Segway Products

2006-08-15 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:41:37 -0500: Hi, [snip] Howdy Robin, All the above is just an academic argument compared to what is staring Australia in the face. An entire continent, underpopulated by mostly European Infidels. Just northwest of Australia lies the East

Re: [Vo]: Smokerings in vacuum

2006-08-15 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to David Jonsson's message of Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:55:31 +0200: Hi, [snip] Hi Check theese photos and tell me if there could be a white smokering coming out in the upper right. http://www.newphys.se/Endeavour_smokering/ David In cinema movies they put a couple of rings in the upper

Re: [Vo]: OFF TOPIC How to deal with terrorism

2006-08-15 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:36:28 -0400: Hi, [snip] Put them in charge of a cold fusion desalination megaproject to transform the region they will never again contemplate suicide! Correct! - even just a chance to work on the project in any capacity. Regards,

Re: [Vo]: OFF TOPIC How to deal with terrorism

2006-08-15 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:36:28 -0400: Hi, [snip] When you give any group of people a reasonably peaceful, fair, orderly society to live in and they will always do fine. Correct again. The average man on the street just wants a reasonable chance at a future for

Re: [Vo]: OFF TOPIC How to deal with terrorism

2006-08-15 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:08:20 -0400: Hi, [snip] What would Robin have us do, foment revolution, establish representative government and forced redistribution of wealth? No, if the US stops supplying such governments with arms, ammunition, and training for their