Re: [Vo]: Re: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-20 Thread Terry Blanton
On 1/20/07, Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Apologies if you already did so, as I do not receive all vortex messages for some unknown reason, which probably relates to the MIB And we thought you were merely ignoring us. :-) If the MIBs were after you, you would already be gone. Ter

Re: [Vo]: Bruce Depalma & "Free Energy" - A Sad Story of Fraud and Delusio

2007-01-20 Thread Terry Blanton
On 1/20/07, John Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: However this whole discussion is foolishness, you can't get free energy from magnetic interactions. I would ask you to prove your assertion; however, we all know it is impossible to prove a negative. Is it possible to get energy by direct conv

[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Not just for tree-huggers any more?

2007-01-20 Thread RC Macaulay
BlankJones wrote.. NASA apparently recruits smart folks, right? The $64 question is: Why would they imagine that this is limited to, or even more appropriate, for aircraft? Howdy Jones, Halophyte production is beginning to make sense. Combined with developments in extremely fast growth al

[Vo]: Not just for tree-huggers any more?

2007-01-20 Thread Jones Beene
Not that there's anything wrong with tree-huggers... but This is the kind of story that leaves you wondering "who's on first" ? http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/01/biofuel_for_air_1.php NASA apparently recruits smart folks, right? The $64 question is: Why would they imagine that this is l

Re: [Vo]: Bruce Depalma & "Free Energy

2007-01-20 Thread Paul
John Berry wrote: > On 1/21/07, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> John Berry wrote: >> > Well as I spent time with Bruce (and Andrew Mount >> and Paul Clarke) in New >> > Zealand not long before he died and I can tell you >> that he was as Paul >> > asserts a kind man, no negativity. >

[Vo]: Re: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-20 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message From: Philip Winestone > Then why are the chattering classes always talking about corn as the input vs cellulose? Hmm ... "inertia" can be both a debilitating force and a usable input And in this case, the problem of ignorance may emanate from an Oval office. > Oh

Re: [Vo]: Bruce Depalma & Kincheloe

2007-01-20 Thread Paul
Mark Goldes wrote: > Paul, > > I visited the good Professor in his home after the retraction. As I > recall he even published it. > > He stated he simply made a mistake. I know few humans who do not do so > on occasion, even with simple things. Yesterday, I dropped a vitamin > pill into my

Re: [Vo]: Bruce Depalma & "Free Energy

2007-01-20 Thread John Berry
On 1/21/07, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John Berry wrote: > Well as I spent time with Bruce (and Andrew Mount and Paul Clarke) in New > Zealand not long before he died and I can tell you that he was as Paul > asserts a kind man, no negativity. > > The last N-Machine test in NZ before his dea

Re: [Vo]: Re: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-20 Thread Philip Winestone
Then why are the chattering classes always talking about corn as the input vs cellulose? Oh - and by the way, apparently the Ottawa company - experts in this area of biotechnology - was the pioneer in producing and using this enzyme effectively. That's what I'm told... and I believe everythin

Re: [Vo]: Bruce Depalma & Kincheloe

2007-01-20 Thread Mark Goldes
Paul, I visited the good Professor in his home after the retraction. As I recall he even published it. He stated he simply made a mistake. I know few humans who do not do so on occasion, even with simple things. Yesterday, I dropped a vitamin pill into my coffee in error - a first by the way

RE: [Vo]: RE: Steorn Free Energy announces open-source licensing agreement

2007-01-20 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
-Original Message- From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 9:32 AM ...Presently I'm in the process of writing such simulation software that will simulate magnetic avalanches, domains, etc. I think Steorn may be interested in your software. Will it be avail

Re: [Vo]: Bruce Depalma & "Free Energy"

2007-01-20 Thread Paul
John Berry wrote: > Well as I spent time with Bruce (and Andrew Mount and Paul Clarke) in New > Zealand not long before he died and I can tell you that he was as Paul > asserts a kind man, no negativity. > > The last N-Machine test in NZ before his death was not so positive. > I believe that

Re: [Vo]: Bruce Depalma & "Free Energy" - A Sad Story of Fraud and Delusio

2007-01-20 Thread John Berry
Well as I spent time with Bruce (and Andrew Mount and Paul Clarke) in New Zealand not long before he died and I can tell you that he was as Paul asserts a kind man, no negativity. The last N-Machine test in NZ before his death was not so positive. I believe that the N-Machine will work as a motor

Re: [Vo]: Bruce Depalma & "Free Energy" - A Sad Story of Fraud and Delusion

2007-01-20 Thread Paul
Mark Goldes wrote: > Paul, VO, > > DePalma was a very sad case. He was fired by MIT. He maintained his N > Machine could never work as a motor but only as a generator. We hired > Ken Wasson, an excellent magnetics consultant, to visit Bruce and he > pointed out that it could be developed into

Re: [Vo]: Bruce Depalma & "Free Energy" - A Sad Story of Fraud and Delusion

2007-01-20 Thread Paul
Mark Goldes wrote: > Paul, VO, > > DePalma was a very sad case. He was fired by MIT. He maintained his N > Machine could never work as a motor but only as a generator. We hired > Ken Wasson, an excellent magnetics consultant, to visit Bruce and he > pointed out that it could be developed into

Re: [Vo]: Bruce Depalma & "Free Energy" - A Sad Story of Fraud and Delusion

2007-01-20 Thread Mark Goldes
Paul, VO, DePalma was a very sad case. He was fired by MIT. He maintained his N Machine could never work as a motor but only as a generator. We hired Ken Wasson, an excellent magnetics consultant, to visit Bruce and he pointed out that it could be developed into a motor with a market large eno

Re: [Vo]: RE: Steorn Free Energy announces open-source licensing agreement

2007-01-20 Thread Paul
Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote: > > More information from Sean McCarthy of Steorn: > > Their motor has non constant speed per revolution output and a flywheel (and > presumably spring) must be used if you want smoothness. > > 3D magnetic field computer simulations do not show the Steorn effect (

Re: [Vo]: Bruce Depalma & "Free Energy"

2007-01-20 Thread Paul
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In fact, I can now describe all atomic orbits > > _http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapterb.html_ > (http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapterb.html) > > > enjoy > > Frank Znidarsic Maybe you're interested in the late Bruce Depalma's work --> Gyro Drop

Re: [Vo]: RE: Steorn Free Energy announces open-source licensing agreement

2007-01-20 Thread Esa Ruoho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIAV089eLLw youtube seems to be full of people trying to replicate steorn based on various tests and whatnot. hope this url somehow helps. the compilation that someone on vortexlist made was brilliant! thank you very much :) On 20/01/07, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. <[EMAI

[Vo]: Re: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-20 Thread Jones Beene
Philip Winestone wrote: Nobody seems to have taken notice of this process, which was pioneered by a company in Ottawa. Well - not exactly ! Our (USA) DOE/NREL has poured lots of its precious (underfunded) resources into this exact area : http://www.ethanol-gec.org/information/briefing/2

[Vo]: BioScience editorial by Pimentel and Patzek

2007-01-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Dr. Pimentel sent me this yesterday. Editorial: Green Plants, Fossil Fuels, and Now Biofuels BioScience Volume 56: 875. November 2006 For 700 million years, green plants contributed to the formation of soil, oil, natural gas, and coal. As the human population increases, so too does the consu

[Vo]: RE: Steorn Free Energy announces open-source licensing agreement

2007-01-20 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
More information from Sean McCarthy of Steorn: Their motor has non constant speed per revolution output and a flywheel (and presumably spring) must be used if you want smoothness. 3D magnetic field computer simulations do not show the Steorn effect ( http://www.cedrat.com/ , http://www.cedrat.c